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31:10 Invisible Pillars?

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    uq
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    Peace jtc,

    There are 2 grammatical possibilities for the first statement of 3110.

    1. "He created the samawat without pillars that you see."

    2. "He created the samawat, you see it (the samawat) without any pillars."

    There is a third possibility albeit convoluted and pedantic, I will not recount it here.

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      PixelAngelBaby
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      Well if a3mad are any close to rod shaped strings (i think) then what about string theory? Everything in existence is made of vibrations. Perhaps this is what keeps the heavens/universe together?

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        unknownuser
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        pillars as in "supports" what holds it!

        you can't see what holds the sky up

        pillars what supports the sky think about liquid densities.....now about gas

        check the period element table

        maybe ALLAH will help you understand

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          FearGod
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          Peace.

          What exactly is 3110 saying regarding the sky?

          "Khalaqa alssamawati bighayri 'amadin tarawnaha"

          Bighayri as far as I understand means "not with" or "without".
          'Amadin seems to be "pillars" or "columns"
          Tarawnaha means "that you see"

          So, is this verse saying the sky is built with invisible pillars i.e. "with pillars that you cannot see"?

          Perhaps I'm having a mental block; sometimes the language of the Qur'an is confusing as it is often uses negatives.

          The 7 heavens are the 7 spaces above our planet

          http//s21.postimg.org/8x9vyik6v/heaven.png

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            Magnus
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            The 7 heavens are the 7 spaces above our planet

            http//s21.postimg.org/8x9vyik6v/heaven.png

            While I do not make any proposals of what is the truth in this case, I'm pretty sure your explanation is wrong. Strictly astronomically speaking, choosing the orbit of pluto has two obvious problems

            • Pluto is by astronomers widely and increasingly held as being the innermost but not the largest body in a swarm of many such objects called the Kuiper belt. With this in mind, choosing Pluto as defining a "space" extending out to include the rest of the universe seems completely arbitrary.
              -Pluto's orbit is not only inclined from the rest of the plane of the ecliptic, it is also rather elliptical, so Pluto is actually inside the orbit of Neptune sometimes, which means that according to your hypothesis "space" #6 and #7 would have to switch places on occasion.

            http//i.imgur.com/Pw1Ns2F.jpg

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              FearGod
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              While I do not make any proposals of what is the truth in this case, I'm pretty sure your explanation is wrong. Strictly astronomically speaking, choosing the orbit of pluto has two obvious problems

              • Pluto is by astronomers widely and increasingly held as being the innermost but not the largest body in a swarm of many such objects called the Kuiper belt. With this in mind, choosing Pluto as defining a "space" extending out to include the rest of the universe seems completely arbitrary.
                -Pluto's orbit is not only inclined from the rest of the plane of the ecliptic, it is also rather elliptical, so Pluto is actually inside the orbit of Neptune sometimes, which means that according to your hypothesis "space" #6 and #7 would have to switch places on occasion.

              http//i.imgur.com/Pw1Ns2F.jpg

              Kuiper belt is in the 7th layer (space),Pluto moves from the 7th layer to the 6th layer and back to the 7th layer.

              http//www.planetvic.com/sites/default/files/kuiperbelt_0.jpg

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                Bender
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                The 7 heavens are the 7 spaces above our planet

                Salaam,

                What does above our planet mean?

                Salaam,
                Bender

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                  FearGod
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                  Salaam,

                  What does above our planet mean?

                  Salaam,
                  Bender

                  Salam,

                  Above earth as seen in the figure

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                    hawk99
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                    Perhaps I'm having a mental block; sometimes the language of the Qur'an is confusing as it is often uses negatives.

                    Maybe

                    We have sky/universe, and you do not see what holds them above us.

                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=3574;type=avatar
                    God bless

                    peace

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                      FearGod
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                      Maybe

                      We have sky/universe, and you do not see what holds it above us.

                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=3574;type=avatar
                      God bless

                      peace

                      This figure i mean.

                      http//s21.postimg.org/8x9vyik6v/heaven.png

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                        hawk99
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                        Peace FearGod,

                        Both of your illustrations work for me. )

                        God bless

                        peace

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                          Bender
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                          Salam,

                          Above earth as seen in the figure

                          Salaam,

                          You mean the sun is under the earth?

                          Salaam,
                          Bender

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                            FearGod
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                            Salaam,

                            You mean the sun is under the earth?

                            Salaam,
                            Bender

                            According to the quran the sun and moon have its own orbits which isn't the same as for earth and the seven heavens.

                            And the sun -- it runs to a fixed resting-place; that is the ordaining of the All-mighty, the All-knowing. (363

                            "Do you not see how God has created seven heavens in full harmony with one another, (7115)

                            and has set up within them the moon as a light , and set up the sun as a lamp? (7116)

                            So even the moon isn't included as a part of the earth and the 7 heavens.

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                              Bahman
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                              Peace.

                              What exactly is 3110 saying regarding the sky?

                              "Khalaqa alssamawati bighayri 'amadin tarawnaha"

                              Bighayri as far as I understand means "not with" or "without".
                              'Amadin seems to be "pillars" or "columns"
                              Tarawnaha means "that you see"

                              So, is this verse saying the sky is built with invisible pillars i.e. "with pillars that you cannot see"?

                              Perhaps I'm having a mental block; sometimes the language of the Qur'an is confusing as it is often uses negatives.

                              Peace
                              He created the heavens without pillars that you can see.
                              http//2.bp.blogspot.com/_wTzy_DEh5O4/TOjmUDLllnI/AAAAAAAAAAo/wbB01WLV4_8/s320/magnetism2.jpg
                              Invisible gravity and magnetism has been main core of my question from propel with books when they refer to words, I was asking if they can show a sign like falling apple due to invisible gravity or invisible magnetic line which cause compass to show NS prior to reciting the messages.

                              I found this sign in Miracle and later discovered that Quran is only scripture demonstrate its divinity prior to read the messages just by book index . )
                              How ever God knows all knowledge we have with less than 10% of granted brain capacity, imagine if those atoms of Gravity or Magnetism was colored like fog then we could not see anything
                              Peace.

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