95 Theses: 9.5 Theses to Follow the Quran Alone!
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So you admit your mistake . . good ! That is my prove that you are indeed . . lying . . ;D
Huh? See - you really are NASTY. How is that lying? 1. You claim I have made a "mistake" - 2. you turn that into lying.
However - how is the above admitting to which mistake and what lying?
A civil conversation is NOT possible with you. You make personal attacks.
See?
No - I do not see. You quote some verses and simply say "See".
My God! It is frustrating. . . see what?
What is the issue?
How did you get to Divorce/Marriage?
and salah alone does not guarantee us to be successful . . . ie. as mentioned in (2.5)
What has success got to do with anything? We are talking about - WORSHIP? And Praying to a God is part of worship. I have already given you definition of what worship is. How does this answer anything?
and of course . .
"It is You we worship serve and You we ask for help."
Here all you did was cross out the word worship and that is it. Nothing else!!!!
Let me re-cap
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You started off with personal abuse - an ad hominem attack.
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You pasted off-topic verses and simply said "See"
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I quoted several verses - explicitly saying that we worship Allah. All you did was quoted one verse with the word worship crossed off.
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We are simply talking about worship and guess what? Another unrelated verse
"and salah alone does not guarantee us to be successful"
- I asked you to define the word "worship". No answer.
And there we go. No questions that have been put to you have been answered. You simply veered off and quoted unrelated verses . . . made strange comments . . . and that is it.
Conclusion We do worship Allah - as several Quranic verses say it.
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Why should I define the word worship when I'm supporting the word "serve" Allah, not "worship" Allah ?
You are not smart, right ? rotfl
You should define the word . . . because you are rejecting it. How do you reject something when you do not even know its meaning?
So - as you say you "serve" Allah - then you why don't you define "serve" as well? And the explain WHY worship is wrong.
How do you account for the bizarre previous answer?
And where are all the questions that you haven't answered?
Why is it Quran is saying "worship"?
You are not smart, right ? rotfl
You have trouble letting of being abusive. You attempt to seek credence from such verbal abuse. Why? Because your bizarre and ludicrous tin-pot theories cannot stand up by themself. hmm
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Burden of Proof - regarding your claim is upon you
http//rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
You should define the word . . . because you are rejecting it. How do you reject something when you do not even know its meaning?
semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit
"the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." (me, to serve Allah . . you, to worship Allah)So I have to prove that Islam is about to serve Allah . . not to define the word of worship . .
It is your burden to proof and explain "worship" . . not me !
It is not my duty to prove on your behalf . .
See? I have proven again . . you are not smart .
It is not challenging to prove that you are not smart . . in fact, it is quite boring . . . rotfl
So - as you say you "serve" Allah - then you why don't you define "serve" as well? And the explain WHY worship is wrong.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
I have explained . . read again, or maybe . . "you cannot see" . . understood !
Let me help show you that salah cannot guarantee us to be successful . .
Who is Muhammad?
I believe he is the most righteous person ever lived . . . and a True Believer
And indeed, you (Muhammad)
are of a great moral character
(684)But and even if he believe in Allah . . .
. . . recite shahada perfectfully
. . . knows and speaks well in arabic
. . . perform salah
. . . pray in mosque
. . . pray every night to Allah
. . . perform hajj
. . . fasting for his entire life
. . . dzikr.. and never say bad things about people
. . . pay zakat and sadaqah all his property in the cause of Allah
. . . go to jihad and sacrifice himself to Allah
. . . study carefully all the revelations...
. . . and... bla... bla... bla...
. . . you name it, as one of the most righteous person ever lived...He will not be a Muslim if disobey one "simple prohibition" not to eat that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
And DO NOT eat
of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
and that is most surely a transgression
and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends
that they should contend with youand if you obey them
you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists <- ie. not a Muslim
(6121)Because Allah says "DO NOT" ! !
Therefore, please disapprove that salah can guarantee us to success according to 2.5
Those are upon (right) guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. (25)
Take your time and don't let me prove that you are not smart . . again ! laugh
and . .
p.s. still no answer . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346641#msg346641
off.
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So I have to prove that Islam is about to serve Allah . . not to show you the meaning of worship . .
Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship?
In reverse - I have shown the meaning of worship and proven it using verses that clearly state we do worship Allah.
So what does "worship" mean to you . . .and why is it wrong to say we worship Allah? Explain that please.
It is your burden to proof and explain "worship" . . not me !
Incorrect. I did not make any claims. You made the strange claim we do not worship Allah.
However,
I have already "proven" with several verses and explanations and definitions that we do worship Allah.
See? I have proven again . . you are not smart .
It is not challenging to prove that you are not smart . . in fact, it is quite boring . . . rotfl
Nope. All you have done is proven that you are repeatedly ABUSIVE and a TROLL
Ad Hominem - you attack me rather than my arguments.
fftopic
I have explained . . read again, or may . . "you cannot see" . . understood !
Let me help show you that salah cannot guarantee us to be successful . .
fftopic
No one asked you about Salah and success. . . who asked you about that?
Therefore, please disapprove that salah can guarantee us to success according to 2.5
Why? No one has asked you to prove/disprove ANYTHING about Salah.
This is all about you saying that we do not "worship" Allah.
Who asked you anything about Salah and success?
Once again
Abuse, Ignore
Abuse, Ignore
Abuse, Ignore
Abuse, Ignore
Abuse, Ignore
Abuse, Ignore
I am asking about your saying that "We do not worship Allah". And look what you are doing . . . quarreling - being rude and abusive - not answering the questions - and then asking different question. . .
Why?
Conclusion
As I have shown we do worship Allah - and you were wrong to say that we do not. I have proven it with meaning of the word "worship" and its explicit usage from the Quran.
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Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship?
Repetition and blank denials . . for so many times.
In reverse - I have shown the meaning of worship and proven it using verses that clearly state we do worship Allah.
Yes . . according to your religion of Islam , but I'm not the follower of the Religion of Islam . . but the follower of the Deen of Islam.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.20
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)So what does "worship" mean to you . . .and why is it wrong to say we worship Allah? Explain that please.
Oh . . another repetition . . and you still cannot understand the burden of proof (refer here)
yet . . you are claiming about "burden of proof" . . funny !
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It is okay for the Religion of Islam . . but not to the Deen of Islam.
In the Deen of Islam . . we serve Allah, every seconds and for our entire life.
hablum minallah . . and hablum minannas .
Incorrect. I did not make any claims. You made the strange claim we do not worship Allah.
Really ?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346465#msg346465
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Yes it is strange because you are the followers of the Religion of Islam, the sectarian who oppose justice in humanity . . . based on By God (Bigot)
I have already "proven" with several verses and explanations and definitions that we do worship Allah.
You did ? Amazing . . . and you ignore every counter argument that I have made . . then, repeat it over and over again . . as usual.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346215#msg346215
Nope. All you have done is proven that you are repeatedly ABUSIVE and a TROLL
Ad Hominem - you attack me rather than my arguments.
Sorry . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
No one asked you about Salah and success. . . who asked you about that?
Why? No one has asked you to prove/disprove ANYTHING about Salah.
This is all about you saying that we do not "worship" Allah.
Who asked you anything about Salah and success?
I don't have to wait for you to ask . . since verse 2.3 mentioned about salah, and verse 2.5 mentioned about those who are successful . . you don't know ?
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them (2.3)
Those are upon (right) guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. (2.5)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
I see . . you don't understand . . agree !
I am asking about you saying that "We do not worship Allah". And look what you are doing . . . quarreling - being rude and abusive - not answering the questions - and then asking different question. . .
Again . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
Conclusion
As I have shown we do worship Allah - and you were wrong to say that we do not. I have proven it with meaning of the word "worship" and its explicit usage from the Quran.
Yes . . . as usual, the closing . . a must for you !
See ? This what I called an argument by repetition - argumentum ad nauseam . .
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.Therefore , I am right.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346215#msg346215
You do not give reasons, but you merely insist that you are right until people become sick of it . . boringggg.
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p.s. still no answer . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346641#msg346641
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Repetition and blank denials . . for so many times.
Where? More of the same - you say that to everyone who challenges you.
Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship?
THAT is a perfectly valid question. As you are not able to answer it . . . hence . . . the above silly accusation.
Yes . . according to your religion of Islam , but I'm not the follower of the Religion of Islam . . but the follower of the Deen of Islam.
Wrong. Not according to my Islam - but according to Dictionary and Quran.
Where did my Islam come in to it?
Show me?
Oh . . another repetition . . and still did not understand the burden of proof
Nope - the Burden of Proof is on the claimant - don't get devious and try to skip out of it. It is YOUR claim. You answer it.
Yes it is strange because you are the followers of the Religion of Islam, the sectarian who oppose justice in humanity . . .
More abuse!
You did ? Amazing . . . and you ignore every counter argument that I have made . . then, repeat it over and over again . . as usual.
Where? Where? You started talking about divorce/salah. . . and success/Salah
What has that got to do with anything?
More abuse!
Sorry . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
More abuse!
I don't need you to ask . . since verse 2.3 mentioned about salah, and verse 2.5 mentioned about those who are successful . . you don't know ?
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them (2.3)
Those are upon (right) guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. (2.5)
I see . . you don't see . understood !
More avoidance!
More abuse!
Again . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
More abuse
Yes . . . as usual, the closing . . a must for you !
More abuse.
You do not give reasons, but you merely insist that you are right until people become sick of it . . boringggg.
More avoidance and abuse.
See - Quran explicitly says we worship Allah. You made the nonsense up . . . and are no backing out by being and abusive troll.
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Let we see . . the "talk much but evidence little" person . .
Where? More of the same - you say that to everyone who challenges you. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
THAT is a perfectly valid question. As you are not able to answer it . . . hence . . . the above silly accusation. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Wrong. Not according to my Islam - but according to Dictionary and Quran. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Where did my Islam come in to it? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Show me? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Nope - the Burden of Proof is on the claimant - don't get devious and try to skip out of it. It is YOUR claim. You answer it. (this guy is silly . . I wonder what happen if he become a prosecutor . . chaos! )
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Where? Where? You started talking about divorce/salah. . . and success/Salah (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
What has that got to do with anything? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More avoidance! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More avoidance and abuse. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
See - Quran explicitly says we worship Allah. You made the nonsense up . . . and are no backing out by being and abusive troll. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
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See - your claim. You are saying it . . . yet you don't even know what the word "Worship" even means. I have tried asking. No response.
End of discussion.
See? you quote part of my answer and remove the link to my quote . . hiding something ? rotfl
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The whole thing including "sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah" are not worshipping . .
We are talking about Islam . . not part of Islam.
(the conversation starts with the meaning of religion and deen of Islam)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346433#msg346433
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Let we see . . the "talk much but evidence little" person . .
Abusive and nothing more. I gave plenty of evidence. . . what did I get in return?
Nothing but abuse - all highlighted.
I quoted many verses where only one was necessary . . .
1091
Qul ya ayyuha alkafiroona
Say O ye that reject Faith!
1092
La aAAbudu ma taAAbudoona
I worship not that which ye worship,
1093
Wala antum AAabidoona ma aAAbudu
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
1094
Wala ana AAabidun ma AAabadtum
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
1095
Wala antum AAabidoona ma aAAbudu
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
1096
Lakum deenukum waliya deeni
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
So doesn't it prove . . . what I have been saying all along.
You are an abusive troll.
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See? Still no answer . . and ignoring every counter argument . . including the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
In fact the evidence can easily be replace with serve worship
The truth . . he merely insisting that he is right . . as usual
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See? you quote part of my answer and remove the link to my quote . . hiding something ? rotfl
and . .
We are talking about Islam . . not part of Islam.
(the conversation starts with the meaning of religion and deen of Islam)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346433#msg346433
And there we have it . . . he could not answer - and now this nonsense.
You do not speak a word of Arabic - your English is poor that is why you make many mistakes - as pointed out in the past.
As to your mother tongue? You do not know either!
To cover up - you get abusive. As shown in the past. And shown in this thread.
And what you also do - is NOT answer the questions.
See you avoided it again.
What does "worship" mean and don't we worship Allah? Whereas the Quran clearly states that we do.
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See? Still no answer . . and ignoring every counter argument . . including the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
He merely insisting that he is right . . as usual
Still no answer of what?
You are desperately trying it again . . . we have been through all this.
It is YOU who is unable to answer - yet your ability not to tell the truth is amazing . . . as is to avoid answering.
I am only interested in that one statement you made. Answer it . . . or do not bother to make things up.
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Let we see again ! the "talk much but evidence little" person . . .
And there we have it . . . he could not answer - and now this nonsense. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
You do not speak a word of Arabic - your English is poor that is why you make many mistakes - as pointed out in the past. (irrelevant issues - fallacy - ad hominem to avoid from answering)
As to your mother tongue? You do not know either! (irrelevant issues - fallacy - ad hominem to avoid from answering)
To cover up - you get abusive. As shown in the past. And shown in this thread. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
And what you also do - is NOT answer the questions. (blank denials)
See you avoided it again. (lying)
What does "worship" mean and don't we worship Allah? Whereas the Quran clearly states that we do. (this silly guy still did not understand how to make an argument and burden of proof . . and he keep on being silly)
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Let we see again ! the "talk much but evidence little" person . . .
Still no answer of what? (playing dumb)
You are desperately trying it again . . . we have been through all this. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
It is YOU who is unable to answer - yet your ability not to tell the truth is amazing . . . as is to avoid answering. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
I am only interested in that one statement you made. Answer it . . . or do not bother to make things up. (merely repetition and blank denials . . no reason, no answer, no counter argument . . he can repeat this as much as it can, until people becoming sick of it. The no-brainer strategy)
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Same accusations every time. They do not impress anyone . . . last time you totally lost it. . . . abusing and swearing at everything.
In your heart - you know full well you were wrong to say
"We do not worship Allah"
And in answer - all you have done is been nasty and simply asked different questions and pretended that i have not answered.
This finishes here.
We do worship Allah. You? No one cares . . .
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5 pages . . . can we find any anwer on the counter argument ?
Same accusations every time. They do not impress anyone . . . last time you totally lost it. . . . abusing and swearing at everything. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
In your heart - you know full well you were wrong to say (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
"We do not worship Allah" (yes . . and you worship God just like hinduism or other religions . . and no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
And in answer - all you have done is been nasty and simply asked different questions and pretended that i have not answered. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
This finishes here. (oh . . it finishes rotfl)
We do worship Allah. You? No one cares . . . (and the closing, as usual . . he merely insist that he is right )
Proven beyond doubt . . the talk much but evidence little person ! laugh
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Proven beyond doubt . . the talk much but evidence little person ! laugh
Proven that you are nothing but abusive . . . "little person" - well really!
Is that how your arguments work too?
All the debate leads back to this one question . . . your proposition that we do not worship Allah.
Now all your usual tricks are to avoid answering . . . how do you define "Worship".
You have tried EVERYTHING - to get out of answering.
EVERYTHING.
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Still no answer . . .
Proven that you are nothing but abusive . . . "little person" - well really! (see . .ad hominem just to escape from answering the counter argument)
Is that how your arguments work too? (and again . . no reason, no answer, no counter arguments)
All the debate leads back to this one question . . . your proposition that we do not worship Allah. (yes . we serve Allah all our entire life and not like other religions, who only worship their God)
Now all your usual tricks are to avoid answering . . . how do you define "Worship". (this guy talks as if he knows everything . . but he still confuse with burden of proof - here rotfl)
You have tried EVERYTHING - to get out of answering. (really ? and you are running from answering my counter arguments like a zebra . . read again through all 6 pages and see how silly you are - ridiculous mistakes!)
EVERYTHING.
Shakir
Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. (1.5)Hamid S. Aziz
Thee alone we serve and Thee alone we ask for aid (1.5)(2011 Edition)
You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help. (1.5)(2013 Edition)
You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help. (1.5)Dr. Shabbir Ahmed
1.4 (Realizing these facts), we obey You alone and we ask You alone to help us (as we obey You).
no answer . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346467#msg346467
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346641#msg346641
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
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