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3 times Salat (2+1) in Qur'an, 2 page PDF with Color Charts.

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    Wakas
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    peace Earthdom,

    Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750)...

    I am sorry to say but it is no wonder you left "Islam" if your understanding of verses is like this (i.e. incorrect understanding, in my view)

    For a superb analysis of how God communicates to man, as per Quran, I recommend the book "God and Man in Koran" by Toshihiko Izutsu
    http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      Peace Wakas

      For a superb analysis of how God communicates to man, as per Quran, I recommend the book "God and Man in Koran" by Toshihiko Izutsu
      http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html

      Indeed his theory has nothing to do with so called speculative religious system named "Quraniyoon".
      I'm also don't think if Izutsu, a great scholar himself wanted to sacrifice for becaming a Quraniyoon.

      No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
      In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.

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        Wakas
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        peace Earthdom,

        No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
        In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.

        Let me clarify my position in case there is any misunderstanding.

        Quran clearly states we can use many types/sources of information, including our own reason. If someone uses these sources to over-rule Quran, contradict Quran, or considered obligatory etc then there are problems.

        Here is an explanation of hajj without any Traditional Hadith
        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
        You probably wont read it though.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          The_Chimp
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          peace Earthdom,

          Let me clarify my position in case there is any misunderstanding.

          Quran clearly states we can use many types/sources of information, including our own reason. If someone uses these sources to over-rule Quran, contradict Quran, or considered obligatory etc then there are problems.

          Here is an explanation of hajj without any Traditional Hadith
          http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
          You probably wont read it though.

          As many critics have pointed out the rejection of Hadith came in order to align Islam with modern enlightenment values. Getting rid of Hadith and then re-interpreting Quran to fit in better was the easy way. If you read the "Reformist Quran" that is pretty obvious. One problem is the sheer intellectual dishonesty of the whole approach.


          Ignorant rants about Sunni Islam aside . . . what does the above link reveal? Yeah . . . back to the same methodology Sunni scholars took years to establish. In the process advancing logic and establishing the science of linguistics, philosophy and theology, historical methodologies and several branches of humanities.

          First hurdle the "Quran only" fall at is - the inevitable reliance on Arabic. As Quran does not teach you the langauge and makes it clear that the book is in Arabic. Hence - "Quran only" is not really about "Quran only" at all . . . but more about rejecting Hadith. Again the problem with this is that the ancient Arabic lexicon are written in the same method as Hadith are written. . . which makes wholesale rejection of Hadith as near impossible position to hold.

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            Bender
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            Peace Wakas

            Indeed his theory has nothing to do with so called speculative religious system named "Quraniyoon".
            I'm also don't think if Izutsu, a great scholar himself wanted to sacrifice for becaming a Quraniyoon.

            No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
            In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.

            Salaam,

            I can understand why you left "islam" but I do not understand why you are also on a crusade against us.
            Did anyone here wronged you and you want to take revenge for it?

            Salaam,
            Bender

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              unknownuser
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              Peace Wakas and Benfer.

              I already changed my mind http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606114.msg344838#new

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                uq
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                Care to elucidate further?

                Peace to you The_Chimp,

                You can find my views regarding Salah at the following link

                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597210.msg179914#msg179914

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                  TheQuranAloneRevolution
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                  My comment is for corrections only to the PDF

                  1. AlSalat Alwusta is Not a noun, it is an adjective. Thus it can still be understood as 2 Salat by name.
                    (2238 can be interpreted as to mean all your salats (i.e in your lifetime, hence the word is multiple plural. Also the end of the verse states to stand reverently = i.e in all your Salats = again lifetime)

                  2. Another interpretation to the "additional prayer" is that the additional refers to studying the Quran, not an additional prayer.
                    The command is to study the Quran at dawn, and then it states to also, during the night 1778-9
                    (Compare the word additional which is also feminine here, but solely means additional, not an additional prayer 2172)

                  That was my take on it. Verification is encouraged and commanded.

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                    Wakas
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                    My comment is for corrections only to the PDF

                    1. AlSalat Alwusta is Not a noun, it is an adjective. Thus it can still be understood as 2 Salat by name.
                      (2238 can be interpreted as to mean all your salats (i.e in your lifetime, hence the word is multiple plural. Also the end of the verse states to stand reverently = i.e in all your Salats = again lifetime)

                    2. Another interpretation to the "additional prayer" is that the additional refers to studying the Quran, not an additional prayer.
                      The command is to study the Quran at dawn, and then it states to also, during the night 1778-9
                      (Compare the word additional which is also feminine here, but solely means additional, not an additional prayer 2172)

                    That was my take on it. Verification is encouraged and commanded.

                    I agree. This was discussed here also

                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.0
                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606196.0

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Mazhar
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                      1. AlSalat Alwusta is Not a noun, it is an adjective.

                      It is a phrase; adjectival phrase. Adjectival description of first noun is given by a Comparative Noun; Definite; Singular; feminine; genitive, exactly matching on all counts with the described one. Its Root is " ". For convenience, an entry from Lane's Lexicon is reproduced hereunder

                      properly, the part of which several lateral, or outer, portions are equal; as, for instance, the middle finger but also meaning the part which is surrounded, or enclosed, on its several sides, although unequally (Msb) or the part that is between the two sides or extremities of a thing; (M, IB, Mgh, K as, for instance, the centre of a circle]

                      Grammatical analysis and parsing of 2238

                      Detailed article on As-Salat
                      Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance The Key of the door of success

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