New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
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What is important is what we mean when we utter what we utter. The intention is the important thing.... not the etymology of the uttered word/expression. Then of course, there are expression, although innocently uttered, that we perhaps better refrain from using... like "bloody hell"... or worse...
Uttering 'jeez' doesn't mean we call on Jesus... and just because we celebrate Christmas it doesn't mean we believe Jesus was more than a human man, and it doesn't even mean we commemorate Jesus birth at all, whether as God incarnate or as just a human messenger.
Peace
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Peace,
That is true. Saying jeez is using Jesus' name, even if by slang.
I usually say "oh Lord God". It may be more righteous.
God bless you
You are getting extremely petty . . . following me around and leaving nasty comments just for the sake of it. You do not know much or have answer . . . like all your brethren resort to making up nonsense.
Rather than highlighting your inadequacies - try staying quiet.
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hmmm, ok,
On the one hand you are correct
Definition of JEEZ
?used as a mild oath or introductory expletive (as to express surprise)On the other hand......
Origin of JEEZ
euphemism for Jesus
First Known Use 1923God bless
peace
It did start off as an abbreviation of saying Jesus - but not saying "Oh Jesus" . . . and it is better than you sing "Jesus Christ" as a an expression to express surprise or annoyance.
I don't particularly have any problems saying Jesus Christ! other than to showing disrespect or taking his name in vain.
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What is important is what we mean when we utter what we utter. The intention is the important thing.... not the etymology of the uttered word/expression. Then of course, there are expression, although innocently uttered, that we perhaps better refrain from using... like "bloody hell"... or worse...
Uttering 'jeez' doesn't mean we call on Jesus... and just because we celebrate Christmas it doesn't mean we believe Jesus was more than a human man, and it doesn't even mean we commemorate Jesus birth at all, whether as God incarnate or as just a human messenger.
Peace
Peace Zulf,
Of course you are correct, but I was not addressing intentions, only the definition, knowledge is king.
It did start off as an abbreviation of saying Jesus - but not saying "Oh Jesus" . . . and it is better than you sing "Jesus Christ" as a an expression to express surprise or annoyance.
I don't particularly have any problems saying Jesus Christ! other than to showing disrespect or taking his name in vain.
I understand your point, on the other hand, some may interpret it as you calling on other than God.
God bless
peace
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Peace Zulf,
Of course you are correct, but I was not addressing intentions, only the definition, knowledge is king.
I understand your point, on the other hand, some may interpret it as you calling on other than God.
God bless
peace
Definitely agreed.
I felt I just wanted to exclaim my own idea. I fully understand your point of view. I often take a similar standpoint.The tricky part is that we very often cannot know the other party's real motivation... we only guess, and then judge as per our own ideas and assumptions. This is what we all do. All "sides" accuse the "other side" based on conjecture. It's the trademark of the human being.
Peace and best wishes!
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Peace Ayman
I read the first chapters.
I couldn?t almost believe what I read.
Its like everything just falls into their places, where they was intended to be from the beginning.I think that you are one that make what we all really purposed to do Trying to make the gods plan come through.
May he really use you a lot.Wishing you all the best.
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Peace Ayman
I read most of the book and I have to say that it is thought provoking. I can agree with you on a lot of things, the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?Otherwise I can see where the 2 salat belief come from (you can interpret the "Guard your Salat (More than dual), as mean your lifetime, and not just daily because the end of the verse states to "stand in obedience (e.g in All of your salats = again lifetime, not just isolated). Also the Ramadan Summer timing is logical.
Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses, and thus come to obedience or sujjud. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me on that, can there not be such a physical place where there this mental obedience to the Almighty's words happen ? What about the Qibla being a physical focal point as a form of being organized?
I appreciate your response, thanks.
Salam 3lek -
Peace Ayman
I read most of the book and I have to say that it is thought provoking. I can agree with you on a lot of things, the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?Otherwise I can see where the 2 salat belief come from (you can interpret the "Guard your Salat (More than dual), as mean your lifetime, and not just daily because the end of the verse states to "stand in obedience (e.g in All of your salats = again lifetime, not just isolated). Also the Ramadan Summer timing is logical.
Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses, and thus come to obedience or sujjud. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me on that, can there not be such a physical place where there this mental obedience to the Almighty's words happen ? What about the Qibla being a physical focal point as a form of being organized?
I appreciate your response, thanks.
Salam 3lekMasjid & Quibla etc..
one should go to the roots... Torah... first was the tent of the meeting (mishkan) when you are in the desert (every-day's life turmoil) you connect to God "on the walking" (unfold the tent as so on) but, when you "build" the Temple (Salomon's) you do it on the rock, which is a solid ground of your inner peace and meditation.So it is all in you, as God is mainly consciousness!
Same with Masjid, it is the "hajj" to the inner Self! (inner masjid)As to Salat, here it is
?As my prayer became more attentive and inward,
I had less to say.
I finally became completely silent.
I started to listen
-which is even further removed from speaking.
I first thought that praying entailed speaking.
I then learned that praying is hearing,
not merely being silent.
This is how it is.
To pray does not mean to listen to oneself speaking.
Prayer involves becoming silent,
and being silent,
and waiting until God is heard.?
Soren Kierkegaard.One should never forget that the Qur'an is the updated Bible, version 2.0 so to speak... )
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peace all,
.....the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?
Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses.......
Unfortunately for us, I am still waiting on bro Ayman to answer some questions on his view on "masjid" on this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg319321#msg319321 -
i am really impressed by the success of your facebook page.
thank you for the work you are doing.Thank you my dear brother noshirk. It is the god's blessing. It is also interesting that the vast majority (about 82%) of the page current 1.86 Million fans ae under 34 years old. So the future looks bright ).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace bro NielsJacob,
I read the first chapters.
I couldn?t almost believe what I read.
Its like everything just falls into their places, where they was intended to be from the beginning.
I think that you are one that make what we all really purposed to do Trying to make the gods plan come through.
May he really use you a lot.
Wishing you all the best.Thank you for your kindness, your enouragement, and your sincere prayers. I am deeply touched by all of your words. Thank you for reminding all of us of our purpose to serve the god.
God bless you and all best wishes and peace my dear brother,
Ayman
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I read most of the book and I have to say that it is thought provoking. I can agree with you on a lot of things, the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?
The concept of "masjid" as an institution of the obedience encompasses both physical and mental aspects. It is the same as the institution of government encompasses both physical and mental aspects. I believe that "masjid" (institution of obedience) is conceptually synonymous with government (institution of authority that is to be obeyed). As with government, the primary aspect of "masjid" is a system and not just a physical building.
Otherwise I can see where the 2 salat belief come from (you can interpret the "Guard your Salat (More than dual), as mean your lifetime, and not just daily because the end of the verse states to "stand in obedience (e.g in All of your salats = again lifetime, not just isolated). Also the Ramadan Summer timing is logical.
Yes, the plural term "salawat" does not mean a certain number within 24 hours. This can also be seen from the following passage where the same exact word occurs
Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses, and thus come to obedience or sujjud. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me on that, can there not be such a physical place where there this mental obedience to the Almighty's words happen ? What about the Qibla being a physical focal point as a form of being organized?
Yes. The house (al-bayt) is the physical aspect. It is any place where no partners are setup with the god and where people can gather safely. Since "al-bayt" is a physical place then it is a direction/destination (qibla) that is also physical. The passage about the people of Moses instructs them to make their physical houses a destination.
I noticed that you have a Facebook page in English. I think the title of your page is really inspiring ( ه. The vast majority of the audience of my Facebook page are Arabic speakers. If you make your Facebook page in Arabic or both English and Arabic, then I can help you boost its audience by sharing it on my page.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace bro Wakas,
Unfortunately for us, I am still waiting on bro Ayman to answer some questions on his view on "masjid" on this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg319321#msg319321I am not sure if you have revised your understanding of "masjid" meaning time of obedience. If you have not added anything new or revised your understanding then I am sure that the aspect of time would fit within the concept of "masjid" as an institution. Any institution has a system and time is an aspect of any system.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
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May God bless you Ayman for your last posts, thank you for clarifying what the word masjid means!
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peace brother Ayman,
I am not sure if you have revised your understanding of "masjid" meaning time of obedience. If you have not added anything new or revised your understanding then I am sure that the aspect of time would fit within the concept of "masjid" as an institution. Any institution has a system and time is an aspect of any system.
I have not changed anything since we last spoke about it.
Unfortunately, until you answer the questions I asked you over 14 months ago, we will never know if your view can fit with mine, or even if it makes sense within The Quran.
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Peace,
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In the name of the god, the almighty, the merciful
Read in the name of your lord who created.
He created man from a clot.
Read and your lord is the most generous,
who taught by the pen
He taught man what he didn?t know.
Nay, but verily man transgresses.
Upon seeing it he disregards it.
Surely to your lord is the return.
Have you seen him who forbids
a servant when he connects/learns?
Have you considered if he were on the guidance?
Or advocates forethoughtfulness?
Have you considered if he denies truth and turns his back?
Does he not know that the god sees?
Nay! if he does not desist, we would certainly smite his forehead, a lying, wrongful forehead.
Then let him summon his council,
We would summon the guardians.
Do not obey him, and submit/obey and draw near (me).
