Multiple wives.

DrGm

First Muhammad is not mentioned in the ayat; it shall be with reference to any other prophets of afore times, too. Sex is not important for the prophets, in marriage; to them sex is not the primary requisite but the pre-requisite is to take the system of Islam to various religious sections and belief-systems of his populations' women folk.

peace dr,

but the pre-requisite is to take the system of Islam to various religious sections and belief-systems of his populations' women folk.

could you please elaborate.

peace.

uma

Also the ayat I think you are referring to is where Allah talks about marrying widows and he says you can marry them in twos threes and fours. But note that Allah does not put a cap on how many one can marry. So therefore I believe men can marry as many women as they wish so long as they can treat them all equally, which tbh I think is near impossible for most men. So therefore Quran advises them to stick to one.
Also if you read Islamic history you will find that many sahabas including Omar RA and Usman RA had more than four wives at a time.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

As far as I have understood few prophets had multiple wives, at least the few cases wives are mentioned alongside them. Concubines perhaps, but not wives. Abraham had Sarah (unnamed in The Book 1171), Lut had one anonymous wife (783, 1181), Noah had one wife, Adam had one wife (235, 719). The sentences are written in such a manner that you cannot extract any other meaning than that they were monogamous.

2102 speaks of man and his wife.

340, 195 speaks of Zachariah and his wife are old. If he had more wives perhaps another could bear his offspring.

420 talks of divorcing one wife for another, i.e one for another.

1221, 1225 Joseph's master had one apparent wife. 1251 observe 'the wife of'

Polygamy is nothing which is supported to any greater extent in The Book except for some loosely translated verses. Allowed or not, our role models did not have a harem of wives. Only unrighteous people seem to have had multiple wives such as Pharaoh.

And as we spoke before it is not meant for man to have multiple wives due to the design. The ratio female vs male is almost even. Another way is against the system in my humble opinion.

God bless you

unknownuser

Most of phrophet have many wives,
But the reason of this is because of some circumstances.

Peace

drfazl

peace dr,
could you please elaborate.

peace.

DrGm,

The duty of the prophets are
To explain to you the Book
To teach you its Wisdom
To differentiate to you between Good and bad
To enjoin upon you all that is good
To forbid you from all evils and
To free you from slavery.

5720 Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - Hence the prophets' lives are not for fun and fare; their lives are not to increase their families and wealth; and their lives are not for show of pride and arrogance. And for them is long hours of work during the day 737; and they sleep very little in the night 5117. They stand in prayers nearly two thirds in the night praising and remembering the glory of Allah 7320; further the prophets are woken up in the nights from their covers 73, 741; and in the early morning hours to go to their people to warn them and make them ready for the fight against all evil 742. Thus for the prophets no intentions for sex during the day time; nor did they have any time for it during the nights that they stayed away from fearing and guarding Allah's admonition; and seeking forgiveness for themselves and for others; and remembering Him more and more staying awake in the nights, all their lives.

DrGm, what do you understand from all these ayats? Have the prophets got any thing or any time left with them for their family life? or selfish life style? No, most people have gotten them all wrong and May God forbid for us; and forgive us.

The prophets were sent to an almost forbidden society on its last legs splintered into fractured groups who had become like aborigines with very little calibre to understand the Truth. Amongst them the prophets had to move in and live to teach them the Book and the Wisdom, a Himalayan task. Even amongst such people were the endowed and dignified ones who become like disciples who could remember the oath given to Allah that they should help their prophets with their wealth and lives. 381 "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you shall believe in him and support him." Said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Such of these, men and women from among their peoples, do volunteer to help their Prophets by listening to their prophets and go back to their men and women folks to guide them in the straight path from their evil-mind caused situations. While males can sit with their prophets for all time day or night, the women cannot be that way. Yet their women folks need to be taught too. In such a situation those among women who have the ability to get to the straight path; and who can gain better of the Book and of the Wisdom are chosen to get married to their prophets in their works.

They now gain the status as the wives of the prophet; and for the believers they unto them are mothers who live and sacrifice their lives, for the lives of their people. Surely for the believers the wives of the prophets are their mothers; and the believers are by nature forbidden from entering into their mothers' private matters of privacy; this is a grace from Allah that the minds of the believers would never wander into such gross indecency.

But the ignorant ones in whose hearts is the disease and the arrogant disbelievers would enter into such indecencies creating maliciousness to the prophets' and their wives' pure intention-relation in the cause of Allah. It is atrocious to say that the prophets did have concubines or paramours bringing disrepute to themselves in the cause of Allah, and degrading the sacrificing women in the straight path.

Those who validate the prophets' wives as their mothers with piety to God, such of them are the legitimate descendants of the prophets that shall reap the good on the earth and enter the heaven. And those who claim the prophets did have illegal concubines, such of them become illegitimate descendants of all evil forces. It is better to stay quiet on matters in which we have no knowledge or less know, so that we are saved from the questioning before the detrimental torment of blazing fire in both the worlds.

1736 And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those one will be questioned.

Any further question welcome, DrGm.

Peace.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

My list is most earthdom? Muhammad is the only one with many wives. The rest had one or and some perhaps two if the Lore is accurate which I have doubts about. Moses is said to have had two wives in the Bible. He got an additional by working for Jethro a few more years.

Only one in hearsay with many wives is Solomon but that could be just fairy tales.

I see no support for marrying an army of wives.

God bless you

dr_rks

Peace dr.fazl,
For many years i was not getting answer whenever i read about prophet's wives. After reading your posting i have cleared my doubts. You explained about the prophets,not only about his duties but how they were sincere to allah's guidance. Really i realised how much time iam spending thoughts on allah. You dealt with this subject in utmost clarity. You have thrown light on these topics with your wisdom. All praise to allah.

Another important thing you have mentioned is that marriage is not for sex. World should understand this concept. This freeminds forum will be an eye opener for the entire world. Lot of my friends really wondered after reading the explanation by you from the quran.

Knowing well about the thoughtless people and the society,prophets have protected the women-folk who were working with him in the path of righteousness.

Such thoughtless people even go to the extent of disgracing these motherly women as concubines. At this moment i want to remind this ayat 55

"This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."

diamantinehoneybunch

Also the ayat I think you are referring to is where Allah talks about marrying widows and he says you can marry them in twos threes and fours. But note that Allah does not put a cap on how many one can marry. So therefore I believe men can marry as many women as they wish so long as they can treat them all equally, which tbh I think is near impossible for most men. So therefore Quran advises them to stick to one.
Also if you read Islamic history you will find that many sahabas including Omar RA and Usman RA had more than four wives at a time.

But there are a few who understand that verse 43 is not about to marry multiple women, instead to marry OFF.

What can you say about that?

I also do not understand why Muhammad ibn Abdullah had 9-11 wives.

unknownuser

Peace,

My list is most earthdom? Muhammad is the only one with many wives. The rest had one or and some perhaps two if the Lore is accurate which I have doubts about. Moses is said to have had two wives in the Bible. He got an additional by working for Jethro a few more years.

Only one in hearsay with many wives is Solomon but that could be just fairy tales.

I see no support for marrying an army of wives.

God bless you

Peace Man of Faith.

I hope if Muhammad have many wives is just a fairy tale, but by looking the genentic evidences of Muhammad's tribes/bani (who nowdays existed in Yemen and Saudi) is the descendant from people mentioned in hadith by looking the genealogy.
We cannot simply said if hadith is just merely fairy tales as well as the characters in there.
Some may true, some not.

Regarding multiple verses, this subject is very complicated.
In the Quran itself the Arabic word used for wive is nisaa'.As you now nisaa' is plural means more than two (multiple).

Maybe I should follow your advice if phrophet have multiple wives in the Bible is just a conjecture.

I'm neutral in this thread and let's God and the common sense prevail.

Ali_Nasser

I cannot remember the exact verse reference, but it said something along the lines of women offering themselves to the messenger, and him being the only one allowed to take them while it was not allowed for believers, it was only allowed for the prophet. The one about orphans isn't the verse I am referring to. And we can't marry more than one on the basis of treating them equally, because god tells us in the quran we cannot treat worm equally no matter how hard we try (again do not remember the reference)

jhonsonmustafa

Peace dr.fazl,
For many years i was not getting answer whenever i read about prophet's wives. After reading your posting i have cleared my doubts. You explained about the prophets,not only about his duties but how they were sincere to allah's guidance. Really i realised how much time iam spending thoughts on allah. You dealt with this subject in utmost clarity. You have thrown light on these topics with your wisdom. All praise to allah.

Another important thing you have mentioned is that marriage is not for sex. World should understand this concept. This freeminds forum will be an eye opener for the entire world. Lot of my friends really wondered after reading the explanation by you from the quran.

Knowing well about the thoughtless people and the society,prophets have protected the women-folk who were working with him in the path of righteousness.

Such thoughtless people even go to the extent of disgracing these motherly women as concubines. At this moment i want to remind this ayat 55

"This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."

Whenever Truth is revealed the eyes filled with tears. To confirm this is 583..you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognized. They say "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.

Ali_Nasser

@drfazl

Your interpretation seems to be very logical, but I would like to confirm what you have said with undeniable proof. Not to say your view is useless, just so that I can verify information based on facts rather than listening to what I hear through conjecture. Now my question is would you happen to know the definition and root words of 'azwaj/azwajuka'? Does it mean spouse in regards to someone whom you have sexual relations with? Or is the word more vague, like 'partners' for example, in which the word partners is not limited to sexual interactions but rather could be partners in anything such as intellectual, or sporting buddies, book reading buddy, etc etc (if that made any sense).

huruf

Look at aya 33.52

"It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens) and Allah doth watch over all things. (52)"

What you see in that aya is that in fact no privilege is given to the Prophet but quite the opposite, he is forbidden to sed any more wives, or to divorce from any of them or to exchange one for another. And that was only for him.

On the other hand poligamy, of wife or husband is not absolutely forbidden in the Qur'an, but normal, ordinary marriage is the monogamous marriage.

Salaam

hawk99

Peace,

The Quran is a book of wisdom and has a context that is overarching and better understood if circumstances
are understood. For instance, the prohibition of marrying sisters became law for the believers after the ayat
4/23. Slavery today in its ancient form is almost non-existent today but not abolished all at once, the
freeing of slaves is encouraged by God. Polygamy for the sake of orphans is lawful still today for those who
can afford it and do not have ulterior motives that are self serving, but is a form of zakat and good will for
those in need. A man can be equitable only if he is not emotionally or physically needy of the intended
family, but involving himself with the orphans for the sake of a better society.

God bless

peace

drfazl

@drfazl

Your interpretation seems to be very logical, but I would like to confirm what you have said with undeniable proof. Not to say your view is useless, just so that I can verify information based on facts rather than listening to what I hear through conjecture. Now my question is would you happen to know the definition and root words of 'azwaj/azwajuka'? Does it mean spouse in regards to someone whom you have sexual relations with? Or is the word more vague, like 'partners' for example, in which the word partners is not limited to sexual interactions but rather could be partners in anything such as intellectual, or sporting buddies, book reading buddy, etc etc (if that made any sense).

Nasser,

Using the Insight leads you to unmistaken Truth through the reasoning guided by The Almighty. I have given you in my post enough verses to lift your levels of understanding to such perception quality so that you need not consider my post as conjectural. Literal lingual application using your grammar and root words would never elevate you to any sound propositions.

Peace.

diamantinehoneybunch

Polygamy for the sake of orphans?????. I think allowing the mothers of orphans to marry another men (monogamous) or to live their lives by their own is much better.

And many people ignore my previous post.

Ali_Nasser

@diamantinehoneybunch

Perhaps you may be onto something, but I cannot comment due to my limited knowledge. I really hope you're right because your explanation is VERY logical.

stillearning

Aoa

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But there are a few who understand that verse 43 is not about to marry multiple women, instead to marry OFF.

What can you say about that?

If the verse meant to marry OFF, from which I assume you mean to marry them off to someone. How does the rest of the verse fit in with this.

Regards

Ali_Nasser

I reckon it could be that to help the orphans, marry their mothers off, one, two, three, four, but if you cannot be just and fund their families, then stick to just the one, or with those who you have contractual rights with so you can together with your partner to look after these people.

DrGm