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God's Reward System for the Thank-full-(ness)!

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    mmkhan
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    Good finding!

    In verse 9/97 it written as Al a'rabu ( &#1615 not Al-Arab, ul-Arab etc.

    If we look the dictionaries the word "Al a'rab" or a'raba has a meaning like "analyze".
    So this word can be mean the analyzer, researcher, theorician, scholars if we assume/intepret.

    I think it's make sense since some of theoricians may create some theories, innovations which against God's rules/limit/theaching.

    Glad for the Quran text has tashkeel on it, so we can dechiper if this verse isn't talking bout Arab (hope so).

    Peace

    Salaam,

    How about and which was set on same weight as ?

    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
    mmKhan

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      Zulf
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      Let me just say one thing. This may just be a fantasy, and I'm not at all saying that this is how it is, so i'm not even speculating.
      However, when I read above in this thread the translation of a'aarab into "analyze"... then I felt it made very much sense in one certain way. To ME, "analyze" is connected to "over-think" and "over-analyze", and this is typically something that DISconnects you from God. All brilliant atheists are over-thinkers, having great minds... but unfortunately, God and the invisible world cannot be reached by the mind alone. You can use the mind but actually it is all about experiencing and sensing... something you cannot describe to an atheist. You could say it is of the heart, and not the brain. So, going too deep into pure thinking, over-relying on the mind, will cause you to be blind to many things. Once you're open enough to the unseen world, then you can use your mind to explore, but to ONLY use the mind, will lead nowhere.

      Perhaps this is not at all what the verses are talking about, but it still makes total sense to me personally. And the words ahl-al madina sort of ruin the case )

      Peace

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        ths
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        Let me just say one thing. This may just be a fantasy, and I'm not at all saying that this is how it is, so i'm not even speculating.
        However, when I read above in this thread the translation of a'aarab into "analyze"...

        I felt the exact same thing Zulf. I've never heard that interpretation before but it made immediate sense.
        Inshallah when I have time I'll revisit the a'raab verses again

        فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
        So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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          unknownuser
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          Peace everyone.

          3320 that they desert living among the bedouins

          Noon, bedouin in Arabic called "badawi" (ba'-da'-waw) not a'rab.
          Plus in 3320 the word doesn't means that, but bedouin itself.Even this word isn't a verb.

          How about and which was set on same weight as ?

          Sorry brother, in which verses both of two words existed?? and I don't understand what you actually mean.

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            ths
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            Noon, bedouin in Arabic called "badawi" (ba'-da'-waw) not a'rab.

            Bedu and Badawi are modern terms and don't appear in the Quran at all.

            On page 251 of Lane's Lexicon the term is explained

            al-2a3raabu -

            is the appellation given to those Arabs who dwell in the desert, such as go about in search of herbage and water; and Az adds, whether of the Arabs or of their freedmen he says that is is applied to those who alight and abide int eh desert, and are neighbours of the dwellers in the desert, and journey, or migrate, with them, to seek after herbage and water.

            There aren't even any other explanations given for this word, and it has been interpreted as "desert dwellers" from the beginning in the tafsirs.

            In short - Jafar's attempt to make it "the Arabs" is deceitful and racist

            فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
            So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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              unknownuser
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              Bedu and Badawi are modern terms and don't appear in the Quran at all.

              Please visit http//www.baheth.info/ , then type " " in abkhasya/search column and enter.

              That site provide Classical dictionaries like Lisan ul Arab, Al Sahaa al Lughaat, Al Qamuss al Makheed and two others.

              On page 251 of Lane's Lexicon the term is explained

              I hope you didn't get wrong when gave the page number, since I don't find a'rabu in page 251.
              I used Lane Lexicon in PDF format.

              In short - Jafar's attempt to make it "the Arabs" is deceitful and racist

              I hope he clarify soon.Jafar has many knowledges, and possibly he has some hiding understanding by writing that sentence.

              Some people may hate Arabs by some circumstances

              • The Arabs is the creator of Sunni-Shia (mixing of Islam and ancient Arabic cultures)
              • They often inplemented "Arabization" during spread of Islam (for some liberalist muslim)
              • Some non-muslim extrimist see Arabic language as language of terrorist (because current terrorism act).

              Myself is not hate Arab.Hate some groups is not the main issues I want to archieved/not prospect at all.

              Peace

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                ths
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                You can find the Lane's Lexicon entry here. I misquoted the page number but the definition is exactly as I wrote it down.

                Secondly, I speak Arabic and know what badawi and bedu are. Those terms are widely used today. They don't appear in the Quran. Instead the Quran uses al-a3raab

                Secondly - do you really think that God took the time to say that the Arabs are the worst unbelievers on this planet when the world is filled with atheists and polytheists and when Muhammad himself was an Arab??

                Do you want to turn this into a contest about who has caused most misery? What about the Nazis or the Taleban or Gengis Khan? Would it be reasonable for God to say that "the Afghans are the most in unbelief"? Subhaan Allah

                Thirdly - this stuff has been pointed out many times to Jafar. He just ignores it

                Fourthly - if you doubt the racist intentions then why do you think he bothered to quote this particular verse as his signature? He couldn't care less about the verses that talk about being a better person, worshipping God, prayer, forgiveness. No - none of that was important to Jafar. What was important to him was to single out Arabs as beneath everyone else.

                And, do not cloak (and confuse) the truth with falsehood. Do not suppress the truth knowingly. ( 242)

                "The ones who hinder from the path of God, and sought to make it crooked; and with regard to the Hereafter they were rejecters." (745)

                Surely, those who distort Our revelations are not hidden from Us. Is one who is thrown into Hell better, or one who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you wish; He is Seer of everything you do. (4140)

                فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
                So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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                  diamantinehoneybunch
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                  Isn't saying 'desert dwellers' are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy is also racist and hateful?

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                    ths
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                    Yes I agree. That's why I think it needs to be re-analyzed

                    Although the context of the verses do make it seem like it means "nomads", I have a problem with singling out a specific group of people like this

                    فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
                    So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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                      unknownuser
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                      Salaam ths

                      First I clarify if I'm not hate Arab at all.I have some friends in my country whose had Arabic bloodline (Yemeni Arab).

                      http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians

                      Btw thanks for clarify, actually I'm not thorough when searching in Lane.
                      But be careful if Lane Lexicon isn't entirely provide literal meaning, some of it's explanation contains common intepretation.
                      Myself even didn't found this word in classical dictionaries.

                      Now I agree if that word means "nomad", but is that "nomad" is bedouian themself?

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