Multiple wives.
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i can say a lot about what i think and that would mean a great deal to me.but to really understand Quran one has to learn from it.
in aya where more wives is mentioned like two three or four look at the words closely,and don't jump to conclusions. most of the words are explained out of the context of the Quran now a days.
eg "a3dilu" could mean return.
who are Yatama ilnisa ?
this verse could be understood in multiple ways.i still would say we must think more in the context of the Quran and try to be patient to know what this means.
what if this Aya meant that man can get married more than once ,not necessarily after divorce ,but after a wives death.
the aya could simply mean if you "scared in not returning the dead mothers girl orphans then marry what "taba lakum" of woman,twice ,thrice ,four times.
the aya is really complicated and needs to be compared with all text that has similar words from the quran.
there most be some work done here. or else the meaning will not be clear regardless of what we think.
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The Koran tells us not to commit adultery quite clearly. That logically means one man, one woman. We don't need to know why he allowed the prophets to have several wives. More importantly, why are some 'Muslim' men and some unfortunately not great thinking women, trying to force the non argument of more than one wife?
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That's why I started this thread so I can clarify it. Was he allowed more than one wife? Are we allowed/not allowed to have more than one wife?
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And that's why I am a skeptic.
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I reckon it could be that to help the orphans, marry their mothers off, one, two, three, four, but if you cannot be just and fund their families, then stick to just the one, or with those who you have contractual rights with so you can together with your partner to look after these people.
Peace Ali,
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prohibited on you mothers yours and daughters yours and sisters yours ...
and that gathered yeh between the sisters two except what hence passedThe above is applicable to all thus if they are not sisters then permissible (end case).
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Tne environment condones male oligamy, particularly or almost always of people better off who can afford it. Therefore as they ayas came restricting that practice, like when people are told to marry the single, those who were already poligamous were not ordered to divorce any wives they had, at least not that I can recall from the Qur'an, and neither the prophet was ordered to forego any of his wives, but on the other hand he was told to stick to the ones he already had, not to take new ones and not to exchange those he had for any new one.
So nowhere there is a privilege for the Prophet but an obligation to keep those wives that want to continue with him and not divorce them nor change them.
Salaam
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Tne environment condones male oligamy, particularly or almost always of people better off who can afford it. Therefore as they ayas came restricting that practice, like when people are told to marry the single, those who were already poligamous were not ordered to divorce any wives they had, at least not that I can recall from the Qur'an, and neither the prophet was ordered to forego any of his wives, but on the other hand he was told to stick to the ones he already had, not to take new ones and not to exchange those he had for any new one.
So nowhere there is a privilege for the Prophet but an obligation to keep those wives that want to continue with him and not divorce them nor change them.
Salaam
Salaam huruf,
Yes those financially able can propose marriage to women without means; question if prohibited?
It?s like cousin marriage or any marriage, up to the individuals free to accept, decline, divorce, etc. -
Anybody can propose marriage to anybody, what I was saying was in the environment where the Qur'an was revealed, as in many other environments, poligamy was common amonst the powerful classes, and therefore that if the Prophet became powerful it was to be expected that he would get proposed for alliances and so on.
Salaam
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Hi
Could someone explain something about the verse quoted (Generally out of context) that promotes polygamy. Just one point for now.
Who said this verse refers to men only. What if the master who has orphans under their protection is a woman? Is the Quran promoting lesbian marriages?
? O people, be aware of your Lord who has created you from one person and He created from it its mate and sent forth from it many men and many women; and be aware of God whom you ask about, and the relatives. God is Watcher over you.
? And give the orphans (Alyatama) their money, and do not replace the good with the bad, and do not consume their money with your money; for truly this is a great sin!Where does it say "Men"?
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Salaam All
The Quran definitely points out that the Messenger of Allah had more than one wife. And in the ayat about orphans it does not say marry off but marry. We cant add words from ourselves to the Quran.
Allah has made both men and women and he knows best how to make this system work.
Allah has put in a mans heart love for women(as mentioned in Quran) its just natural. Women don't feel the same urge for men as men do for women.
Also women have other physical conditions on them in which its difficult for a man to satisfy his sexual needs, so then he would start lusting over haram things. But in such a case Allah has allowed these men to take more than one wife so his needs are satisfied in a totally halaal way.
This is how Allah has made this system and he knows our needs better than us.
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Salaam All
The Quran definitely points out that the Messenger of Allah had more than one wife. And in the ayat about orphans it does not say marry off but marry. We cant add words from ourselves to the Quran.
Allah has made both men and women and he knows best how to make this system work.
Allah has put in a mans heart love for women(as mentioned in Quran) its just natural. Women don't feel the same urge for men as men do for women.
Also women have other physical conditions on them in which its difficult for a man to satisfy his sexual needs, so then he would start lusting over haram things. But in such a case Allah has allowed these men to take more than one wife so his needs are satisfied in a totally halaal way.
This is how Allah has made this system and he knows our needs better than us.
This is my opinionThis is an INSULT to both men and women because you consider women as sexual objects and a man as a creature that is not satisfied by sex with one woman.
Whether it means to marry or marry off, look at the FIRST PHRASE in 43, "IF YOU FEAR THAT YOU CANNOT BE JUST TO ORPHANS", so it is only to help orphans.
Women are not sex objects and men should not insult themselves as wild animals that are hungry of sex.
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Adding to diamantine, what you uma describe as men and women and their needs is purely imaginative. People, men or women are different. Neither all men are craving all the time neither all women never crave. And the Qur'an does not state what you state, rather than saying such a thing what it does command men and women is self control and command of the self. Men who who choose not to have any command over themselves, as diamantine says, choose to behave like beasts and not people. They cannot use women merely because they choose not to control themselves.
The Prophet never had any wives for that reason, but rather to help his community, through helping widows or contracting alliances, but not as self serving sexual licence. The Qur'an does not condone such a thing and enjoys men and women to marry the single. So even if a man gave in to his beastly tendency, if he is married, no woman should accept him.
Salaam
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Peace
what I was saying was in the environment where the Qur'an was revealed, as in many other environments, poligamy was common amonst the powerful classes, and therefore that if the Prophet became powerful it was to be expected that he would get proposed for alliances and so on.
Which sources you used for this claim?
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That poligamy is common amongst the powerful classes but not the others is something common to most societies where poligamy exists either legally or alegally. There is no reaso to supose something different for the prophet. That he did not do it for his own slefish sake comes from the description that the Qur'an gives of him
Salaam
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The Prophet married an underaged girl but kept her a virgin.
Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.
Most people don't notice Aisha is addressed as a "virgin".
Most women try to get married as a virgin but they are addressed as a wife afterwards, not a virgin.
In this Surah we find a narration about Hafsah bint Umar and Aisha bint Abu Bakr. (Widow and virgin respectively).
The prophet was already married to Aisha when Hafsah became a widow. Yet Aisha is addressed as virgin.
He hadn't had sex with her yet.
The reason he did marry an underage girl is because in the Quran his sexual laws are different to ours.
He has a Freedom.....
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.... the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.and importantly A RESTRICTION
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It is not allowed to you to take women afterwards, nor that you should change them for other wives, though their beauty be pleasing to you, except what your right hand possesses and Allah is Watchful over all things.I believe the Prophet married her and kept her a virgin till a decent age.
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It only allows you to marry multiple wives if you cant look after an orphan.....
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@notexceling, apologies if this is too upfront, but that sounds like a load of horse sht. Her name isn't even mentioned in the Quran, and the prophet wouldn't marry a young girl to be a plan B fuck buddy several years later.
Jesus Christ!!
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Who is the "virgin" narrated in that story?
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What relevance does it have? If god doesn't feel the need to mention it, why should we guess who it is?
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@ huruf
I was referring to 0314
Beautified for mankind is love of the joys (that come) from women and offspring; and stored-up heaps of gold and silver, and horses branded (with their mark), and cattle and land. That is comfort of the life of the world. Allah! With Him is a more excellent abode.