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Gender used in 2:237

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    Salam Brothers and sisters

    Every translator has used 'yafoona' in 2237 as feminine plural whereas grammatically it refers to masculine plural. Could anyone please help me understand it?

    (&#65279

    http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=237

    Thanks

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      Peace be upon you

      This word used pronoun hunna.It's third person and can be masculine or femininine depend on it's context.
      By seeing the verse's context, no doubt again if it's a feminine.

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        Peace be upon you

        This word used pronoun hunna.It's third person and can be masculine or femininine depend on it's context.
        By seeing the verse's context, no doubt again if it's a feminine.

        Thanks David Saidi confusion was because of corpus Quran. They have described it as masculine plural whereas it is also feminine plural.
        Peace

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          David_Saidi
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          This word used pronoun hunna.It's third person and can be masculine or femininine depend on it's context.
          By seeing the verse's context, no doubt again if it's a feminine.

          Sorry I want to correct my claim (my eyes didn't carefully watching the abjad)

          Since this word is imperfect verb, so the pronoun is used both in the first and the last sentence.

          • The first pronoun (Ya) in the imperfect verb is the pronoun of "they" and it must be a masculine.

          Why??

          Because notice waw before nun in the last, this is why.

          If the ya' is feminine, in Arabic it should have written as like this

          Imperfect verb's formula is not simple as the perfect one

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            Sorry I want to correct my claim (my eyes didn't carefully watching the abjad)

            Since this word is imperfect verb, so the pronoun is used both in the first and the last sentence.

            • The first pronoun (Ya) in the imperfect verb is the pronoun of "they" and it must be a masculine.

            Why??

            Because notice waw before nun in the last, this is why.

            If the ya' is feminine, in Arabic it should have written as like this

            Imperfect verb's formula is not simple as the perfect one

            Brother now you are making the same mistake that I made. The root of verb is
            Waw before Noon is part of the root.
            so is feminine plural. Hope it clarifies.

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              David_Saidi
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              Brother now you are making the same mistake that I made. The root of verb is
              Waw before Noon is part of the root.
              so is feminine plural. Hope it clarifies.

              The trilinear root is only a formality.In the fact this word without any pronoun will became like this and it's verb.
              Trilinear-bilinear is a modern term, better check the Lane Lexicon to solve the real meaning of this word.

              Then the "waw" I believe is not part of root, but formula.

              This is the example of pronoun ya' as a masculine and feminine

              (masculine)

              (feminine)

              P.S Notice the difference

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                The trilinear root is only a formality.In the fact this word without any pronoun will became like this and it's verb.
                Trilinear-bilinear is a modern term, better check the Lane Lexicon to solve the real meaning of this word.

                Then the "waw" I believe is not part of root, but formula.

                This is the example of pronoun ya' as a masculine and feminine

                (masculine)

                (feminine)

                P.S Notice the difference

                Salam Brother

                In both words root is
                and if you see this root is preserved in both words.
                In root is
                Like in root is preserved in root is preserved.

                Like root is preserved in

                252
                499

                When used as perfect verb it is written as but the root is still
                3155

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                  David_Saidi
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                  Like I said "trilinear root system" is universities innovation, so don't believe it too much.

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                    Thanks brother

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                      Mazhar
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                      Verb Imperfect; third person; plural; feminine; Mood Subjunctive; Suffixed Subject pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun. (1)2237=1
                      /- /

                      Masculine verb in subjunctive mood

                      Feminine

                      Verb conjugator

                      http//acon.baykal.be/index.php?r3=%D9%88&r2=%D9%81&r1=%D8%B9&type=I&pvowel=a&ivowel=u

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                        Masculine verb in subjunctive mood

                        Feminine

                        Ta' ya' is the pronoun used for imperfect verb and it can be masculine or feminine.Ya' is for third person (they) while ta' in english is like "you"
                        The usage of nun in the last is to prove if that word is plural.

                        So how to knowing if that word is masculine of feminine? By looking the vowel used in the last and context of the verse.

                        Both of this two words are masculine, notice the vowel u in the last.
                        The masculine always used vowel "u" in the last part especially in imperfect verb case.

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                          Ta' ya' is the pronoun used for imperfect verb and it can be masculine or feminine.Ya' is for third person (they) while ta' in english is like "you"
                          The usage of nun in the last is to prove if that word is plural.

                          So how to knowing if that word is masculine of feminine? By looking the vowel used in the last and context of the verse.

                          Both of this two words are masculine, notice the vowel u in the last.
                          The masculine always used vowel "u" in the last part especially in imperfect verb case.

                          Nun in the last is mood indicator Indicative and its absence is the indicator of the verb being either in jussive or subjunctive mood, determined by the context.

                          Nun is otherwise pronoun for feminine plural subject of the verb as is the case in the verb under discussion.

                          In first feminine verb Waw is the original radical of the Root while Waw in masculine verb is the subject pronoun for third person masculine plural and Noon is mood indicator.

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                            Nun in the last is mood indicator Indicative and its absence is the indicator of the verb being either in jussive or subjunctive mood, determined by the context.

                            Nun is otherwise pronoun for feminine plural subject of the verb as is the case in the verb under discussion.

                            In first feminine verb Waw is the original radical of the Root while Waw in masculine verb is the subject pronoun for third person masculine plural and Noon is mood indicator.

                            Thanks brother Mazhar
                            That's what I understood that Waw is part of root in feminine plural

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