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I have some questions about Quranism.

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    Tiresomehoopla
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    Greetings and Peace, all group

    It doesn't matter if a person says they are a Quranist, a Sunni, a Hindu, or whatever--these are all just human labels. From each group, there will be people that go to Hell and there will be people that go to Paradise, ISA. A human label never has and never will be the defining characteristic of how a person will be Judged on Judgment Day.

    Free will means that people can make choices, and the choices can be made with the intent towards good or the intent towards bad.

    So how hard is it to get into heaven? Would the average person get in? What about one whom has done equal right and wrong?

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      Abdul-Hadi
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      Greetings and Peace, all group

      So how hard is it to get into heaven? Would the average person get in? What about one whom has done equal right and wrong?

      I don't know the answers to these questions. Hell will be a busy place. Nobody will be done any injustice.

      5030 The Day We say to Hell "Are you full?" And it says "Is there not more?"

      In regards to right and wrong, maybe this can help a little

      5100 Say "The bad and the good are not equal, even if the abundance of the bad impresses you." So be aware of GOD, O you who possess intelligence, that you may succeed.

      2362 And We do not burden a soul except with what it can bear. And We have a record that speaks with the truth, they will not be wronged.

      Be a good person and a monotheist and all should go well, ISA.

      ALLAH knows best.

      peace

      ~Abdul-Hadi

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        Tiresomehoopla
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        What is the verdict on cussing/swearing? This is, of course, assuming you do not use them to insult somebody, or to take God's name in vain, or to insult something good or that someone may hold closely to them. (I.E. "That was ****ing hilarious!&quot

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          Mikebloke
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          What is the verdict on cussing/swearing? This is, of course, assuming you do not use them to insult somebody, or to take God's name in vain, or to insult something good or that someone may hold closely to them. (I.E. "That was ****ing hilarious!&quot

          Problematic, because I am guilty of devaluing curse words myself to basic descriptive words. I would always assume intent plays a part, and who else is or potentially is in earshot of your use of the words.

          Desensitising of swearwords at least in the west has been going on for a few decades now, they simply don't carry the strong meanings they used to have. I would still advise caution in public places, even if you and your friends/family don't think its a big deal, there maybe someone else (with children) that does.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            So how hard is it to get into heaven? Would the average person get in? What about one whom has done equal right and wrong?

            Peace,

            You can infer from the context of The Book that most people will end up in Hell. It does not take a genius by observing the world as it is to infer the same too. There is a relatively small group of people that will reach Heaven. Why people will not go to Heaven is well described in The Book.

            You can do wrong in your life and still be admitted into Heaven. Probably no human is without sin anyway so. The Book explains quite well about how it works. Good deeds weigh much heavier than the bad ones so if you just work hard on the good ones they will remit many of the bad ones when you stand in the courtroom of God at the end of days.

            Examples of good deeds are; helping the homeless, assisting an old woman across the street, lending your brother a month's rent so he is not evicted during a financial crisis, giving your brother a plate of food when he is starving, remit your brother's debt when he cannot pay you, forgive your neighbor for something he has done to you, giving an honest smile, lending your brother a hand, and many other obvious things.

            In conclusion all these deeds weigh much heavier than sinful deeds although deeds like polytheism are worse than minor offenses. So we can say you can do many sinful deeds throughout your life if you mix them with good ones since the good ones are worth more, but you may obviously not end up in highest Heaven if you are too sinful in nature. However, very few good deeds and a flood of sins will obviously not be something to come around with when you stand trial. I would not consider giving regular charity while being very rude and unjust in daily life to be worth anything in the end, and so would not God either. The good deeds are about trying to establish or maintain a system/community of God.

            Of course if you are aware that you do wrong but do it anyways that it worse than if you were aware of it and ignored the fact it was wrong. Many of us do things which are not good while we were not really aware of which consequences they had. We shall regret our wrongdoings and repent to The Lord.

            And I cannot tell if I am going to Hell though. We do not know until the day we get the record in our hand. Overall I feel pretty safe though without intending to be arrogant, but I cannot say. Complete certainty that God is really real and to struggle onwards at doing good is a card of triumph. They are the winners.

            The error with sectarian Islam is if you uphold teachings which are invented by humans and you extract meanings from words of The Book which do not carry such meaning. To uphold such teachings erroneously and with minimized idolatry may as well be forgiven by The Lord, so you cannot say that only those who adhere to the "Quranism" movement will go to Heaven. On the other hand, all those who are so-called "Quranists" will not go to Heaven because simply knowing the words without the good deeds will hence nullify them. God made it written in The Book (with some addition to make it up-to-date 2014)

            262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, (and the Muslims), whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.


            283 And We took the covenant of the Children of Israel ?You shall not serve except God, and do good to your parents, and regard the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and say kind things to the people, and hold the contact prayer, and contribute towards purification.? But then you turned away, except for a few of you; you were objecting.
            284 And We have taken a covenant with you ?You shall not spill the blood of each other, nor expel each other from your homes.? And you agreed to this while bearing witness.

            The same rules apply to the general crowd as of 2014.

            God bless you

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              unknownuser
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              brickwall
              THERE IS NO QURANISM!!!!!!!

              IT'S ISLAM HOW CAN YOU FOLLOW THE QURAN AND NOT BE A MUSLIM?

              READ THIS SLOWLY!

              THEY WISH TO SEPERATE ALLAH FROM HIS BOOK....

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                Tiresomehoopla
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                brickwall
                THERE IS NO QURANISM!!!!!!!

                IT'S ISLAM HOW CAN YOU FOLLOW THE QURAN AND NOT BE A MUSLIM?

                READ THIS SLOWLY!

                THEY WISH TO SEPERATE ALLAH FROM HIS BOOK....

                Well then how do you wish people refer to Quran only/Hadith rejecting Muslims?

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                  David_Saidi
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                  brickwall
                  THERE IS NO QURANISM!!!!!!!

                  IT'S ISLAM HOW CAN YOU FOLLOW THE QURAN AND NOT BE A MUSLIM?

                  READ THIS SLOWLY!

                  THEY WISH TO SEPERATE ALLAH FROM HIS BOOK....

                  Quranism is only a formal label, to differs between Quran only and the hadith follower.
                  Just like term Chatolic, Protestanesm within Christianity.

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                    Mikebloke
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                    If you find the verse, can you show it to me?

                    sorry this is late. i think i was remembering hadith, not Quran. However there is this verse that talk of an escape from hell 6128

                    And , the Day when He will gather them together , "O company of jinn, you have many of mankind." And their allies among mankind will say, "Our Lord, some of us made use of others, and we have reached our term, which you appointed for us." He will say, "The Fire is your residence, wherein you will abide eternally, except for what Allah wills. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing."

                    I believe all other verses refer to a permanent state of hell, but God wills what he wills. it is possible then this verse refers not to leaving hell, but the end to existence, to which you wouldnt want to get in there in the first place.

                    11108 talks of the reverse, time in heaven with an end date, this would support an end-of-existence state.

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                      Tiresomehoopla
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                      A Christian asked me that, if the Torah and the Bible were changed versions or the Quran, then why did they mention the prophet several centuries before he was born?

                      I've heard somewhere that they were prophecies, but i'm not sure

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