I'm new, and I'm expecting something Good here.
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Salam/Peace/Hello Everyone. welcome
My name is Yamibato (not my real name), for a reason or two, I prefer to hide my real name for a while, to see how it goes here.
I'm an Ex-Sunni, brought up in a traditional religious family, but I wasn't that religious though, one day, all of a sudden, I just don't know how I got the feeling that I should go back and practice my religion. so --I think I took a shower, not so sure however-- I decided to to an ablution and pray, and without realizing it, I was on back to my rituals.
I started surfing the internet, and downloaded some "Islamic" books, most of them were belonging to "Salafi Sect", and I, at that very young age, didn't know what is Salafi, what is Islam, what exactly is Qu'an and Hadith, so I just believed everything there, and made it my principles of life (it was a torture, but hey, I was enjoying it, thinking I'm a good human being now)
Without lengthening the story any further, my journey to Qur'an alone started very very very slowly and minutely, it first began with "Cool, open minded" ideas present in the Sunni sect, later it was starting to get bigger and bigger, but never had the courage to throw my self into the sea, later it was through the help of Qur'an's scientific miracles, then through a book of an Islamic scholar (Bediuzzaman Said Nursi) which he taught me not the very real Islam, but something close to it, and also taught me about bias, selfishness, open-mindness, listening and tolerance. I needed that to be open for new ideas. My final two steps came through the past two years, through a brilliant person/scholar/mujaddid/human/whatever named Dr. Adnan Ibrahim on YouTube, talking about the myth of Dajjal/Mahdi/Return of Christ (a subject I was really interested in) and the source of it which came from the Bible's successors through hadith's, and how it has no relation to the Quran.... THERE, RIGHT THERE... I got the honor of feeling how true Islam feels, and what exactly is the sweetness of faith that the Qur'an talks about.
I have known Edip Yuksel before Dr. Adnan Ibrahim, but I had problems with accepting Edip, his ideas were a very sharp 180 degree and I could have never done this if it hadn't been for Adnan, the only difference was, Edip gets the Qur'an and shoves it to your mind, Whilst Adnan takes you step by step, and that is why --I think-- I accepted Adnan, and later on, Edip's ideas as well.
That is my story as short as possible,
I'm a Medical student, I'm intelligent (Alhamdulillah), I know English, Arabic, Kurdish..
Very interested in Science, Religion, Technology, Philosophy, and to a degree, Video gaming.I'm not claiming to be a 100% Quranist, or a reformist, frankly, I still have some issues... so I'm here to share what I have learned and how I understand some specific stuff, and also to learn more about Islam, --more precisely purify my self--
I have high expectations here..
I hope you won't let me down, or vice versa.Wassalam,
Yamibato. peace -
Peace on you too.
Welcome.
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I have known Edip Yuksel before Dr. Adnan Ibrahim, but I had problems with accepting Edip, his ideas were a very sharp 180 degree and I could have never done this if it hadn't been for Adnan, the only difference was, Edip gets the Qur'an and shoves it to your mind, Whilst Adnan takes you step by step, and that is why --I think-- I accepted Adnan, and later on, Edip's ideas as well.
That is my story as short as possible,
I'm a Medical student, I'm intelligent (Alhamdulillah), I know English, Arabic, Kurdish..Salamun alaika,
Grand Qur'aan was sent by Allah the Exalted to His Messenger by the name Muhammad . Thereat, he expressed it verbally to people and transmitted to later generation in writing. When you know Arabic as well another two languages then why to accept the ideas of A, B, and or C? Why not try to listen the voice of the Author and the Relayer of Qur'aan? I hope you do know that the book has always the voice of the author embedded in the text.
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Peace,
Welcome to the forum. Hope you will enjoy your brief stay here (because life is short).
God bless you
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Salamun alaika,
Grand Qur'aan was sent by Allah the Exalted to His Messenger by the name Muhammad . Thereat, he expressed it verbally to people and transmitted to later generation in writing. When you know Arabic as well another two languages then why to accept the ideas of A, B, and or C? Why not try to listen the voice of the Author and the Relayer of Qur'aan? I hope you do know that the book has always the voice of the author embedded in the text.
A very good point dear brother, Thank you for that comment.
As you said, "why not?" I agree, and I apply that... I do listen to the Great Author La Ilaha Illa Hu... and so far, whatever I took from the Qur'an with my own understanding I have accepted it without a second though. but as you know the Quran was not meant to be static, its very flexible and mobile, and when all good opinions/points of view/understandings of it can be correct... I think it will be a very good thing to listen to All different understandings, and follow the one which is best, or make up something between them that has the good points of of two different opinions and follow them both, still, always compare it with the book of Allah always.
And I think this is something I'm doing according to the Qur'an it self
"The ones who listen to what is being
said, and then follow the best of it. These
are the ones whom God has guided, and
these are the ones who possess
intelligence.*So I listen to every opinion, without caring about the authors belief/source/color/religion/nationality... if I see it as good, and matching with the Qur'an, then I accept it, otherwise I won't.
There are multiple times when we hear quotes from Scientists, Philosophers, Other religious scriptures, we like them and we make them our principles of life, If we don't judge those things by the Qur'an then how do we accept them ? So I agree with you very much, I even apply that to what we are taught as "Sunnah"... even if that Sunnah is not from the Prophet, if it is good, I accept it, because it goes alone with the Qur'an.
And I said it that I'm not 100% Quranic now, that is why I came here, to discuss and debate such subjects.
I hope I made my self clear,
Thank you for the comment again.P.S/ Thank you everyone else for that warm welcome.
Wassalam.
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And I said it that I'm not 100% Quranic now, that is why I came here, to discuss and debate such subjects
Sorry to say brother, only the change from Bukhari and company to new names.And I think this is something I'm doing according to the Qur'an it self
"The ones who listen to what is being
said, and then follow the best of it. These
are the ones whom God has guided, and
these are the ones who possess
intelligence.*So I listen to every opinion, without caring about the authors belief/source/color/religion/nationality... if I see it as good, and matching with the Qur'an, then I accept it, otherwise I won't.
The inference or the subsequent course of action is based upon what you perceived from the translation.
Translation is erroneous. Please reflect on the Arabic words of the Ayah. Translate yourself. The perception would be different.
The direct Object of the verb is a definite Verbal Noun in accusative case. A definite noun does not refer to something not known, or vague, or a generalized element/expression. It refers to a definite, known object both to the speaker/writer and the listener/reader.
Objects are also referred by epithets. An epithet; a figure of speech, is best defined as a descriptive title that commonly involves a word or a phrase that is used in lieu of the other noun. is an epitehet for Grand Qur'aan, see 2368; 2851-52.
Those who attentively and carefully listen the Verbal Communication Grand Qur'aan; thereat they pursue in letter and spirit the best course of conduct prescribed therein;
They are truly the people whom Allah the Exalted has guided aright.
And they are truly the men of wisdom who look into matters objectively without overlapping with emotions-prejudices-biases-whims and conjectural myths.Grand Qur'aan explicitly elaborates the best course of conduct as well as the course of conduct of criminals.
Pl reflect on this
Do not follow Trailblazer other than Grand Qur'aan
The polite advice in this verbal passage is in fact a life saving prescription. This advice suggests us not to become human lemmings of divergent schools of thought headed by this or that trailblazer. Instead, we must diligently conduct sincerely abiding by the infallible Trailblazer Grand Qur'aan; that shows the High road, the direct route that takes a man out of wilderness-layers of darkness to enlightenment.
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"Sorry to say brother, only the change from Bukhari and company to new names."
I'm sorry to say that is not totally true brother, I told you, the reason why I'm not 100% Quranic is beacuse I don't know everything, and I don't believe any scholar has understood the Quran 100%, I read Edips book (Manifesto for Islamic Reform), and I accepted almost everything there, because all were from the Qur'an. I listen to Adnan, I accepted most of it because they were going along with the Qur'an.... and as I said, the reason why I'm here, is I want to learn more, and I want to be a true Muslim, an Original copy, something that Allah wants.
"Those who attentively and carefully listen the Verbal Communication Grand Qur'aan; thereat they pursue in letter and spirit the best course of conduct prescribed therein, They are truly the people whom Allah the Exalted has guided aright."
Which translation is this ? Please I'm in desperate need for a good one, I took mine from "Quran a Reformist Translation", according to my knowledge it is the most Quranic translation so far.
Thank you for explaining that verse that beautifully, I needed it.
Again, I'm telling you brother, I want to and I'm trying my best to follow the Qur'an, but what I have been taught since childhood has me blind to what is really there... that is why I try to listen to others to see how Quranic they are, then I take what they have, whether this person is You/Adnan/Edip/Rashad.. etc. So just because I listen to a better understanding of the Quran of someone elses, I don't believe Im not following the Quran... in fact the whole purpose of this is to ultimately follow it.I hope I'm clearer this time, cause I think you didn't get me well the first time.
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I understand your point brother. My point is only that you should try to perceive the meanings of Ayahs of Qur'aan by utilizing your skill of knowing Arabic. Do not be a passive reader, since passive readers immediately get impressed by the work of others.
I know you must not have paid attention upon an interpreter sitting besides or behind two heads of states of different languages. But, unfortunately, Muslims exalt the translators of Qur'aan, and start treating them as Trailblazer.
Unfortunate fact of the matter is that majority of the translators have never put original work, Edip is no exception, I lament. Most works are merely cut and paste, with little twists according to their preconceived notions.
Therefore, I have stated this on the website
Please remember that no translation of the Qur'aan will ever be exhaustive and final. The day you acquire the skill, I am sure you will render a far better and precise translation than my and my wife's effort.
Reference for assistance Translation of Ayah after grammatical parsing of sentences. Each word of Ayah is grammatically defined and is linked with its Root page where all words of that Root occurring in Qur'aan are alphabetically arranged. Classical lexicons and Lane Lexicon for cross check are also linked on the Root page.
This is ongoing work and will remain ongoing till my death, and afterwards also ongoing. The work on Qur'aan will never come to an end because of the volume of semantic information infolded therein.
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Thank you very much for understanding, and I agree...
If the Great Qur'an is not a primary source, we will forever be stuck in dillemas.God bless you with your work, inshaAllah you will be very successful.
And thanks for listening, I need help in some more topics.. I will be glad to hear what you have to say on them.
I'll stay around,
Wassalam,
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If the Great Qur'an is not a primary source, we will forever be stuck in dillemas.
It is the characteristic feature of Grand Qur'aan mentioned therein.
Grand Qur'aan The Truth-bearer Primary Source of Information and Evidence.
Grand Qur'aan The Permanent Manual for aright conduct in Earthly Life
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My final two steps came through the past two years, through a brilliant person/scholar/mujaddid/human/whatever named Dr. Adnan Ibrahim on YouTube, talking about the myth of Dajjal/Mahdi/Return of Christ (a subject I was really interested in) and the source of it which came from the Bible's successors through hadith's, and how it has no relation to the Quran.... THERE, RIGHT THERE... I got the honor of feeling how true Islam feels, and what exactly is the sweetness of faith that the Qur'an talks about.
Salam,
I find this very interesting, as when I first became Muslim I was told of many odd rituals and beliefs like the kissing of the stone, women discouraged from praying outside the home, entering the home with the right foot, the return of Prophet Jesus, the belief that Prophet Muhammad can intercede for us on the day of Judgement, the stoning of adulterers, the angels cursing women who refuse to sleep with their husbands, hell being occupied by mostly women, women not being able to touch the Qu'ran during menstruation, and many others I am still sifting through. I don't understand how the Hadith are upheld as a reliable source when not even the Bible and Torah remained the same as when God revealed it to the people. The only book we can truly rely on is the Qu'ran because God promised to protect his book.
Peace be with you
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I'm glad to know that you can truly rely on the Qur'an. Praises and thanks to God.
Welcome sister. handshake
? W E L C O M E ?
Peace.
Thank you Sister,
I'm loving this page so far, seems to have very open minded members
who are willing to engage in interesting/at times controversial discussions handshake