I am safe? I dont think that anymore
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I posted a post that I was relieved. Since had read on several websites that Allah forgives all sins, even apostasy again and again only if you repent before you die.
On the webside it says
And He says
?Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allaah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (right) way?
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Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Tafseer al-Qur?aan al-?Azeem (1/753)
Here Allah tells us about the one who enters Islam and then recants, then comes back to it, then recants and persists in his misguidance, and increases in it until he dies there is no repentance after his death and Allah will not forgive him or grant him any way out from what he is in, and there is no way he could be guided. Hence He says ?Allaah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (right) way.? Ibn Abi Haatim said ? It was narrated that Ibn ?Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said concerning the verse, ?and go on increasing in disbelief? They persist in their disbelief until they die. This was also the view of Mujaahid. End quote.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo? al-Fataawa (16/28-29)
Concerning these whose repentance will not be accepted, there were several opinions
It was said that it is because of their hypocrisy, or because they repented from sins less grave than shirk but did not repent from shirk, or it was said that their repentance would never be accepted after death. But the majority, such as al-Hasan, Qataadah, ?Ata?, al-Khorasaani and al-Suddi said Their repentance will never be accepted when death comes to them. So this is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) ?And of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil deeds until death faces one of them and he says ?Now I repent;? nor of those who die while they are disbelievers? .
And the same applies to the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) ?Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allaah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (right) way?
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Mujaahid and other mufassireen said ?and go on increasing in disbelief? means, they remain steadfast in that until they die.
I say That is because the one who repents is giving up kufr, whereas the one who does not repent is persisting in it and adding kufr to kufr. The words ?and go on increasing in disbelief? are like saying, they persisted in kufr and continued in kufr and remained in kufr. So they became disbelievers after becoming Muslim, then their kufr increased and did not grow less. The repentance of these people will not be accepted, referring to their repentance when they are dying, because the one who repents before death comes has repented soon enough and recanted his kufr, so it did not increase; rather it decreased, unlike the one who persisted in kufr until the time of death. End quote.
There is no difference of opinion among the scholars that if the apostate repents sincerely and comes back to Islam, Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, will accept him and forgive him for what is past, even if he has apostatized repeatedly.
This is with regard to Allah in the Hereafter.
As for the rulings in this world, some of the scholars said that if a person apostatises repeatedly he should be executed and his repentance not accepted. The difference of opinion among the scholars about accepting repentance has to do with rulings in this world only and does not have to do with a person?s standing before Allah in the Hereafter, may He be glorified and exalted.
Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni (12/271)
To sum up, the difference of opinion among the imams concerning the acceptance of their repentance has to do with rulings in this world, not executing them, and affirming that they should be treated as Muslims.
As to whether Allah accepts their repentance and forgives the one who repents and gives up (apostasy) both inwardly and outwardly, there is no difference of opinion concerning that. End quote.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo? al-Fataawa, 30/16
When the fuqaha? differed concerning the acceptance of the repentance of one who apostatises repeatedly and the acceptance of the repentance of the heretic, that only has to do with the ruling on outward appearances, because the repentance of such people cannot be trusted. But if he is sincere in his heart towards Allah in his repentance then he is included in the words of Allah (interpretation of the meaning) ?Say ?O ?Ibaadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily, Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is OftForgiving, Most Merciful? .
According to the correct scholarly opinion, the repentance of one who has apostatised repeatedly is to be accepted with regard to rulings in this world too, and he comes under the same rulings as any other Muslim. This is the view of the majority of Hanafi and Shaafa?i scholars and is the well-known view among the Maalikis, and is the second of the two views of Ahmad ibn Hanbal.
See Haashiyat Tabyeen al-Haqaa?iq, 3/284; Fath al-Qadeer, 6/68; al-Insaaf, 10/332-335; Tuhfat al-Muhtaaj, 9/69; Kashshaaf al-Qinaa?, 6/177-178; al-Mawsoo?ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 14/127-128. In al-Mabsoot (10/99-100) it is attributed to ?Ali and Ibn ?Umar that they did not accept the repentance of one who had apostatised repeatedly.
Based on that, the repentance of one who had given up prayer is acceptable if he is sincere, even if he repeatedly gave up prayer, but he should beware, because death may come before he is able to repent and Allah may cause his punishment to come in this world before the Hereafter.
We ask Allah to bestow upon us and you His great mercy.
And Allah knows best. "
But im not so I'm not so sure anymore. Because it says ?Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allaah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (right) way?
It DONT say you are saved if you belive again before Death in that surah.I'm doomed to hell? Should I just give up? I am afraid. I'm not so sure anymore
I know I for a while was relieved that the scholars were agreed that it is forgiving before death, but according to the Koran am not really so sure anymore (.
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Salaam, Maryah.
It DONT say you are saved if you belive again before Death in that surah.
Yes, it does! Right after , the Qur'an immediately describes the worst offenders to the rule the hypocrites during Muhammad's time.
Now the hypocrites of Madinah were an opportunistic group. When the Muslims were on top, they'd side with the Muslims, but when the Idolaters gained the upper hand, they'd side with the enemies, and so on and so forth. They believed, then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, again and again, until they died.
So, they were the worst type of people, and the Qur'an says that they'll burn in the lowest level of Hell. BUT, even then, after all of that, they would still be saved if they repented sincerely.
Those who believed, then rejected, then believed, then rejected, then they increased in rejection; God was not to forgive them nor to guide them to the path.
Give news to the hypocrites that they will have a painful retribution.
Those who take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers "Do they seek glory with them?" All glory belongs to God.
And it has been sent down to you in the Book, that if you hear the revelations of God being rejected and mocked, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different narrative; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.
Those who linger and observe you, if you have a victory from God they say "Were we not with you?" And if the rejecters have success, they say "Did we not side with you and deter the believers from you?" God will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection, and God will not grant the rejecters any success over the believers.
The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they stand to make the contact prayer, they do so lazily, only to show the people; they do not remember God except very little.
They are swaying in-between, neither with this group nor with that group. Whoever God will misguide, you will not find for him a way.
O you who believe, do not take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers. Do you want God to have a reason against you?
The hypocrites will be in the lowest pit of the Fire; and you will not find for them a victor.
Except those who repent, and amend, and hold fast to God, and are loyal in their system to God; then these will be with the believers. And God will give the believers a great recompense.
What would God want with your punishment if you were only thankful and believed? God is Thankful, Knowledgeable.
How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.
To these the punishment will be that the curse of God will be upon them and that of the angels and the people all together!
Abiding therein, the retribution will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.
Except those who repent after this and make amends, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Those who have rejected after their belief, then increased in rejection, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.
Those who have rejected and died while they were rejecters, if the earth full of gold were to be ransomed with it would not be accepted from any of them. For these there will be a painful retribution and they will have no supporters.
Repentance is only for those who commit a sin out of ignorance and then repent soon after; these will be forgiven by God, for God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
And there will be no repentance for those who commit sin then when death comes upon any one of them he says "I repent now!" Nor for those who die while they are rejecters. For those We have prepared a painful retribution.
You'll find repeatedly phrases like "God guides whoever he wills." What this means is that "God guides anyone who wills" or "God guides anyone who wants to be guided." Obviously, people who increase in rejection do not want to be guided, thus God would not guide people who increase in rejection. And obviously, God will guide people who repent/come back to the path.
The Children of Israel worshiped the golden calf, and their repentance was accepted. This is even mentioned in the same surah as
The people of the Book ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. They had asked Moses for even more than that, for they said "Show us God openly!" So the lightning strike took them for their wickedness. Then they took the calf after the clarity had come to them, and We pardoned them for this; We gave Moses a clear authority.
If even the Children of Israel and the hypocrites of Madinah could be forgiven, then obviously your sincere repentance would be accepted.
Say "O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful."
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Salaam, Maryah.
Yes, it does! Right after , the Qur'an immediately describes the worst offenders to the rule the hypocrites during Muhammad's time.
Now the hypocrites of Madinah were an opportunistic group. When the Muslims were on top, they'd side with the Muslims, but when the Idolaters gained the upper hand, they'd side with the enemies, and so on and so forth. They believed, then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, again and again, until they died.
So, they were the worst type of people, and the Qur'an says that they'll burn in the lowest level of Hell. BUT, even then, after all of that, they would still be saved if they repented sincerely.
Those who believed, then rejected, then believed, then rejected, then they increased in rejection; God was not to forgive them nor to guide them to the path.
Give news to the hypocrites that they will have a painful retribution.
Those who take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers "Do they seek glory with them?" All glory belongs to God.
And it has been sent down to you in the Book, that if you hear the revelations of God being rejected and mocked, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different narrative; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.
Those who linger and observe you, if you have a victory from God they say "Were we not with you?" And if the rejecters have success, they say "Did we not side with you and deter the believers from you?" God will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection, and God will not grant the rejecters any success over the believers.
The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they stand to make the contact prayer, they do so lazily, only to show the people; they do not remember God except very little.
They are swaying in-between, neither with this group nor with that group. Whoever God will misguide, you will not find for him a way.
O you who believe, do not take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers. Do you want God to have a reason against you?
The hypocrites will be in the lowest pit of the Fire; and you will not find for them a victor.
Except those who repent, and amend, and hold fast to God, and are loyal in their system to God; then these will be with the believers. And God will give the believers a great recompense.
What would God want with your punishment if you were only thankful and believed? God is Thankful, Knowledgeable.
How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.
To these the punishment will be that the curse of God will be upon them and that of the angels and the people all together!
Abiding therein, the retribution will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.
Except those who repent after this and make amends, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Those who have rejected after their belief, then increased in rejection, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.
Those who have rejected and died while they were rejecters, if the earth full of gold were to be ransomed with it would not be accepted from any of them. For these there will be a painful retribution and they will have no supporters.
Repentance is only for those who commit a sin out of ignorance and then repent soon after; these will be forgiven by God, for God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
And there will be no repentance for those who commit sin then when death comes upon any one of them he says "I repent now!" Nor for those who die while they are rejecters. For those We have prepared a painful retribution.
You'll find repeatedly phrases like "God guides whoever he wills." What this means is that "God guides anyone who wills" or "God guides anyone who wants to be guided." Obviously, people who increase in rejection do not want to be guided, thus God would not guide people who increase in rejection. And obviously, God will guide people who repent/come back to the path.
The Children of Israel worshiped the golden calf, and their repentance was accepted. This is even mentioned in the same surah as
The people of the Book ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. They had asked Moses for even more than that, for they said "Show us God openly!" So the lightning strike took them for their wickedness. Then they took the calf after the clarity had come to them, and We pardoned them for this; We gave Moses a clear authority.
If even the Children of Israel and the hypocrites of Madinah could be forgiven, then obviously your sincere repentance would be accepted.
Say "O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful."
sunSalam!
Thank you for your reply ! I have had a lot of pain mentally recent days. I really thought I was doomed. Because the verse says not afterwards that one is forgiven if you start believing again before dying . So after reading the verse again and again , I was unsure about the conclusion I arrived a few weeks ago is correct.
I did not get an answer right away here on this forum, so I thought it was a sign that now is the battle lost. But I dreamed of Islam throughout the night . When I woke up I had to check the Quran , one last time . Then I read a little further and came to the same conclusion as you.
4 137 Those who believe , then reject faith , then believe (again) and (again) reject faith , and go on Increasing in unbelief , - Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way .
4138 Give tidings to the hypocrites that there is for them a painful punishment
4145 The Hypocrites will be in the Stop depths of the Fire no helper wilt thou find for them ; -
4146 Except for those who repent , correct themelves to hold the two Allah , and are sincere in their religion to Allah , for those will be with the believers . And Allah is going to give the believers a great reward .
Allah says the first " Allah will not forgive them nor guide them on the way" but afterwards " exepect those who repent , correct themselfs "
Allah does not oppose himself, so since its possible to convert back to Islam again after many times, then it must mean that the sentence" and go on oncreasing in unbelief " mean that one must repent before Death or that you dont have really increasing in unbelief since Allah guides you as you said. Since as you said Allah guides not them who icreasing in unbelief.
So after that i went to this forum in here and saw your response. And i saw you have the same opininion. And that helped me alot. So thanks again )
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I'm glad. God bless you.
And for those who avoid serving evil, and turn to God in repentance, for them are glad tidings. So give the good news to My servants.
The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
As for those who have deserved the retribution; can you save those who are in the Fire?
But those who reverence their Lord, they will have dwellings constructed upon dwellings, with rivers flowing beneath them. The promise of God, and God does not break the promise.
Do you not see that God sends down water from the sky, then lets it run as springs in the earth, then He produces with it plants of various colors, then they grow until they turn yellow, then He makes them dry and broken? In this is a reminder for those who
possess intelligence.If God comforts the chest of a person to submission, then he will be on a light from his Lord. So woe to those whose hearts are hardened against remembering God. They have gone far astray.
God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him.
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Say "O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful."
And repent to your Lord, and submit to Him, before the retribution comes to you. Then you cannot be helped.
And follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord, before the retribution comes to you suddenly when you least expect it.
Lest a soul will say "How sorry I am for disregarding the path of God; and I was certainly one of those who mocked."
Or say "Had God guided me, I would have been among the righteous."
Or say, when it sees the retribution "If only I could have another chance, I would be among the good doers."
Yes indeed, My revelations came to you, but you denied them and turned arrogant, and became one of the rejecters.
And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied about God, their faces will be darkened. Is there not an abode in Hell for the arrogant ones?
And God will save those who were righteous as their reward. No harm will touch them, nor will they grieve.
God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things.
To Him belongs the keys of the heavens and the earth. And those who rejected the revelations God, they are the losers.
Say "Do you order me to serve other than God, O you ignorant ones?"
And He has inspired to you and to those before you, that if you set up partners, He will nullify all your works, and you will be of the losers.
Therefore, you shall serve God, and be among the thankful.
And they have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth will be within His fist on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up.
And the horn will be blown, whereupon everyone in the heavens and the earth will be struck unconscious, except those spared by God. Then it will be blown another time, whereupon they will all rise up, looking.
And the earth will shine with the light of its Lord, and the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; and it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.
And every soul will be paid for whatever it did, for He is fully aware of everything they have done.
And those who rejected will be driven to Hell in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Did you not receive messengers from among you who recited to you the revelations of your Lord, and warned you about meeting this Day?" They said "Yes indeed"; but the sentence of retribution has come to pass upon the rejecters.
It was said "Enter the gates of Hell, abiding therein. What a miserable destiny for the arrogant."
And those who reverenced their Lord will be driven to the Paradise in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Peace be upon you. You have done well, so enter to abide herein."
And they said "Praise be to God who has fulfilled His promise to us, and He made us inherit the land, enjoying the Paradise as we please. What a beautiful recompense for the workers!"
And you will see the angels surrounding the Throne, glorifying the praise of their Lord. And it will be judged between them with truth, and it will be said "Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds!"
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I'm glad. God bless you.
And for those who avoid serving evil, and turn to God in repentance, for them are glad tidings. So give the good news to My servants.
The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
As for those who have deserved the retribution; can you save those who are in the Fire?
But those who reverence their Lord, they will have dwellings constructed upon dwellings, with rivers flowing beneath them. The promise of God, and God does not break the promise.
Do you not see that God sends down water from the sky, then lets it run as springs in the earth, then He produces with it plants of various colors, then they grow until they turn yellow, then He makes them dry and broken? In this is a reminder for those who
possess intelligence.If God comforts the chest of a person to submission, then he will be on a light from his Lord. So woe to those whose hearts are hardened against remembering God. They have gone far astray.
God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him.
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Say "O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful."
And repent to your Lord, and submit to Him, before the retribution comes to you. Then you cannot be helped.
And follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord, before the retribution comes to you suddenly when you least expect it.
Lest a soul will say "How sorry I am for disregarding the path of God; and I was certainly one of those who mocked."
Or say "Had God guided me, I would have been among the righteous."
Or say, when it sees the retribution "If only I could have another chance, I would be among the good doers."
Yes indeed, My revelations came to you, but you denied them and turned arrogant, and became one of the rejecters.
And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied about God, their faces will be darkened. Is there not an abode in Hell for the arrogant ones?
And God will save those who were righteous as their reward. No harm will touch them, nor will they grieve.
God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things.
To Him belongs the keys of the heavens and the earth. And those who rejected the revelations God, they are the losers.
Say "Do you order me to serve other than God, O you ignorant ones?"
And He has inspired to you and to those before you, that if you set up partners, He will nullify all your works, and you will be of the losers.
Therefore, you shall serve God, and be among the thankful.
And they have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth will be within His fist on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up.
And the horn will be blown, whereupon everyone in the heavens and the earth will be struck unconscious, except those spared by God. Then it will be blown another time, whereupon they will all rise up, looking.
And the earth will shine with the light of its Lord, and the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; and it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.
And every soul will be paid for whatever it did, for He is fully aware of everything they have done.
And those who rejected will be driven to Hell in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Did you not receive messengers from among you who recited to you the revelations of your Lord, and warned you about meeting this Day?" They said "Yes indeed"; but the sentence of retribution has come to pass upon the rejecters.
It was said "Enter the gates of Hell, abiding therein. What a miserable destiny for the arrogant."
And those who reverenced their Lord will be driven to the Paradise in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Peace be upon you. You have done well, so enter to abide herein."
And they said "Praise be to God who has fulfilled His promise to us, and He made us inherit the land, enjoying the Paradise as we please. What a beautiful recompense for the workers!"
And you will see the angels surrounding the Throne, glorifying the praise of their Lord. And it will be judged between them with truth, and it will be said "Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds!"
Thank you again!! sun
God bless you too! You have helped me so much. Do not know what I'd do without you. You are a very good person.
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The Quran is very clear on that those who do evil, and keep up doing more evil, their punishment will only get worse....
So Should you just give up? No because that will only make the problem worse. If you give up eating, you will not get healthier. You have to start picking the right choices. We are supposed to be unconditionally devoted to God, so Don't be fickle. -
I believe and trust in God Alone, do righteous good deeds but also some unrighteousness deeds eg. I am in a relationship but not married - don't do ritual prayers but pray spontaneously to God Alone, give charity, fast during Ramadan for some of the days, but not on days when I am traveling, which I do every Ramadan as it is my holiday break, I some times study and read Quran but not every day. Am I still a Muslim?