17:93 and chapter 53:13 to 53:15
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Salaam
Don't play assumptions while we don't know the just and cause.
Quran is the wahy from God to Mohammed and we cannot inteprete it as we desired.Maybe some mufasser like Ibn Abbas is reliable, because he is Mohammed's relative and possibly get taugh by the Phrophet himself.
Ibn Abbas (cousin of Muhammad) said
Named Sidratul Muntaha , because the malayka's knowledge reached the limits in there. No one can get through, but the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. And narrated from Ibn Mas'ud radi 'anhu, that the so-called Sidratul Muntaha because all the decrees of God are down, the base of it and all who ride, ends there.
As Saidi also said similiar
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Named Sidratul Muntaha, because the tree is the culmination of everything that rises from the earth, and that God sent down, the base Sidratul Muntaha, either revelation or the other. It could also be interpreted as sidartul Muntaha is a creature known peaks. (more than that, the creature does not know), because this tree is above the heavens and bum
Like old phrase Wallahu'alam
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1793 has no relation with ascension.
The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe
NASA Finds that Space Flight Impacts Astronauts' Eyes and Vision**
"Space flights that last six months or longer can cause changes in astronauts' eyes and vision, according to a new study sponsored by NASA......The new study examined seven astronauts in depth and found eye structure and vision abnormalities in all of them. The most common structural change was flattening of the back of the eyeball. Changes in the retina, the light-sensitive area at the back of the eye, and the optic nerve were also found. In some astronauts these changes persisted long after their return to Earth
Allah the Exalted informs that it did not happen to His sincere allegiant during his ascending journey beyond the horizons of the Universe.
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The Faculty of Vision did not decline, turn aside, or deviate from perceiving truth. And nor it bulged. -
Peace Sabeel Ameer.
I agree 53_2-12 are not about the ascension.They are about Gabriel releasing verses to the prophet for the first time.That carried on for a period during the prophet s life.
However 53_13-18 are about the ascension. Remember I saidMuhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him (297, 171, 443, 531,13-18, 971-5).
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Are you sure you want a conversation with me again?
Only joking brother.
Some have also asked Where is " Mohammed " in the verses?
Whenever the prophet was receiving Qoran, Gabriel was at close proximity?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Are you sure you want a conversation with me again?
Only joking brother.
Some have also asked Where is " Mohammed " in the verses?
Whenever the prophet was receiving Qoran, Gabriel was at close proximity?
GOD bless you.
Peace,
Those who say like this does not know abc of a language but are yet self proclaimed scholars. Nothing can be done about such pseudo scholars.
It is possessive phrase and third person masculine singular pronoun refers only to Allah the Exalted, We know no one is of Gabrail as.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am indeed surprised that you are still questioning how GOD inspires prophets?
I will let you read Qoran again, take your time and find out?
Remember "aouha" and " kllama" are not the same?
"Aouha" can be done through a mediator? "Kallama" can be direct?
When you are dealing with Qoran, expect surprises! Knowing a b c of the language can be useless sometimes?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I had in mind. Well done for that.
Now reflect on you claimed for i.e that there was no Gabriel!
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Are you doubting what he saw?5313
He saw him in another descent.Do you also claim he saw "Allah"? Who did he see then?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I had in mind. Well done for that.
Now reflect on you claimed for i.e that there was no Gabriel!
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Are you doubting what he saw?5313
He saw him in another descent.Do you also claim he saw "Allah"? Who did he see then?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace,
You seem to have not given time to reflect what I said about wahi and kalam.
Again you might not have quoted what you said in this post if you had focussed on the Arabic words and the type of sentences. Before this Ayah, the discourse was a narrative of an event of real life.
Now the discourse has a shift in timeline. It is present scenario and to rebut their wrangle again a reference is made to one time incidence that occured only once in the life of Messenger when he saw Gabrial descending from a certain location while he himself was at a higher location.
I am not trying to make you agree with me. I am simply trying that you understand my point based on analysis of words and sentences of Qur'aan.
Arabic is rather a scientific language and has precision and accuracy in the semblence of mathematical equations. We cannot be correct even in mathematics if we do not follow the rules and formulae. Similarly language has rules for encoding meanings and decoding meanings. It is naive to think that one can understand without knowing abc rules of language.
It seems that you have not yet opened the link given by me about physical ascension of the Messenger. Kindly read that and point out mistakes and omissions of my understanding.
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Peace Mazhar.
Please allow me to conclude,yet again,that you seem to always come back with more confusing points?
There is no such a thing as " Physical ascension", unless one travels in a space ship!!!!
Also, with humble respect, I find your link difficult to understand, confusing and contains many contradictions.
We most certainly differ in our understanding of Qoran and its message.
May the Lord guide us to His true path.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Please allow me to conclude,yet again,that you seem to always come back with more confusing points?
There is no such a thing as " Physical ascension", unless one travels in a space ship!!!!
Also, with humble respect, I find your link difficult to understand, confusing and contains many contradictions.
We most certainly differ in our understanding of Qoran and its message.
May the Lord guide us to His true path.
GOD bless you.
Peace.The Lord has told plainly that He guides through the Qur'aan. So the guidance is to accept the words of Qur'aan as they are, and not to make them what we know today or wish to maintain. If people of 150 years back had thought on your pattern they might have declared some Ayahs of Qur'aan as false which speak of moving into the upper space of sky.
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Peace Mazhar.
Brother, you are deviating! I asked who did he see? You talk about a "shift in time line"!!!
I am aware of that. Are you aware that he "saw" both times"? i.e He also saw before the shift in "time line", So who is not accepting?
Let me tell you a story of what your logic sounds like
A Scientist cut the legs of a frog. He then asked the frog to jump. When the frog did not jump,he concluded that the frog is deaf?
It seems to me that what you do with Qoran?
Anyway, GOD bless you ,brother.
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Peace Mazhar.
Brother, you are deviating! I asked who did he see? You talk about a "shift in time line"!!!
I am aware of that. Are you aware that he "saw" both times"? i.e He also saw before the shift in "time line", So who is not accepting?
Let me tell you a story of what your logic sounds like
A Scientist cut the legs of a frog. He then asked the frog to jump. When the frog did not jump,he concluded that the frog is deaf?
It seems to me that what you do with Qoran?
Anyway, GOD bless you ,brother.
Peace.Peace,
Good that you know the concept of semantic field of time. But immediately afterwards your question disappointed me that you just wrote that claim without knowing what semantic field of time means and even do not know what is tense and aspect of a verb.
The first verb about seeing is perfect, an even happened and finished. And its relation is with reference to negation of acceptance by the logical brain. The purpose of physical ascension was to show him the Messenger the biggest existential in the realm of physical world. The logical brain does not controvert things during sleep/dream. It also shows the experience was physical not dreaming.
The second verb about seeing is imperfect and in relation to question. Here it is about an ongoing routine process-happening. The wranglers are informed that why you wrangle about it while the fact is he had even seen him only once at high horizons. Does this "only once" helps not to tell you that it is about having seen Gabriel once while he was descending. Why you think that he saw the same object at two different points in time in life?
And these magnificent and metaphorically resembling swearing are to reiterate and confirm that the guiding Lord of you people is never afflicted from any delusions and hallucination.
And it is a certain fact that he had seen him Gib'raa'eil at the Demarcating Horizon .
And he Muhammad is never withholder and miser in making public the unseen realities he has seen and known. -
Peace Mazhar.
Even though your post was written in English, I am sorry to say it is like a foreign language to me!!!
Listen brother, I said Gabriel was there. You ended up agreeing with me? The rest is "gobbledegook", no offence intended.
Bless you brother.
Hallelujah!
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Peace Mazhar.
Even though your post was written in English, I am sorry to say it is like a foreign language to me!!!
Listen brother, I said Gabriel was there. You ended up agreeing with me? The rest is "gobbledegook", no offence intended.
Bless you brother.
Hallelujah!
Peace.Peace,
Sorry brother, my fault. Your claims misled me to believe that you academically know language and semantics. I can now understand that my article might seem to you Greek. Thanks.
Friend who consider that Night Journey was not corporeal and know basics of Arabic are requested to refute the article by restricting to the words of Qur'aan.
Arabic , al-'Isr' wal-Mi'rj-The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe