Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Alkitab,
This verse is mentioning that allaah has mad the sign of the day/light visible because if the sign of the day wasn't visible you could not distinguish between day/light and the night so you cant make any count because you can't know the concept of one full day ( night + daylight)
Why count days at all? 1712 mentions years (sineen) not days (ayyaam)! Hence the change of day (nahar) and night (layl) is sufficient for determining a year (sanat). This makes the year clearly solar.
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Peace Alkitab,
Why count days at all? 1712 mentions years (sineen) not days (ayyaam)! Hence the change of day (nahar) and night (layl) is sufficient for determining a year (sanat). This makes the year clearly solar.
Salam Timur ,
The verse 1712 is mentioning years ( sineen ) and (al-hissab ) mean counts or counting , to count what ? of course to count days , here are many things in the quran that needs days counting ex from the quran 3days , 7 days in 2196 . 2 days in 2203 . the known counted days in 2184 and 2203 . also we need to count days for selling and buying purpose according to 2282
2282 (O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a fixed time , write it down. And let a scribe write between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men , then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its time. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is disobedience in you. And fear Allah. And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things. )
So we need to count days .
salam wakas,
10.5. Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan waalqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila .......diyaan = masculin
nooran = masculin
hu= masculin
In the end this is neither the Moon nor the Sun which is used to measure, but the light that they emit (Sun) or reflected (Moon), such as the phases of the Moon the Moon and as the light of day for the Sun, therefore the 'hu' male tells us about the male 'light'?translate in french
Au final ce n?est ni la lune ni le soleil qui sert ? la mesure, mais la lumi?re qu?ils ?mettent (soleil) ou refl?t(lune), comme celle des phases lunaire pour la lune et comme la lumi?re du jour pour le soleil, donc le ? hu ? masculin nous parle de la ? lumi?re ?masculin ???Salam bachton ,
You can consider it that way if you want as it's true too , but when you are witnessing the moon at night during its stages can you make difference between the light of the moon and the moon itself ? the light , the sun and the moon is a one mechanisme
Vous pouvez envisager de cette fa?on , si vous voulez , c'est vrai aussi, mais quand vous ?tes t?moin de la lune dans la nuit au cours de ses ?tapes pouvez-vous faire la diff?rence entre la lumi?re de la lune et la lune elle-m?me ? la lumi?re le soliel la lune est un seul m?canisme
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The reason why September was fitted into the equation is because the term "Ramdhiyy" was given to the rain when it fell upon the hot ground. They assumed that because we have rain mixing with hot earth, this must mean that we are in autumn. But this is only from the point of view of those who live in climates where the rain season happens to start in September. But this is not so in many areas of the world. For example, in Saudi Arabia, the rainy season is during March/April. That marks the end of the cold season there. It never rains there in September. (Those members who live in Saudi Arabia can confirm this). In many parts of Europe and North America, the rainy season is in summer, where the most savage of thunderstorms and torrential rain can be witnessed in June or July, when the earth is hot from the summer. So their Ramdhiyy comes in June.
Salaam Brother
Really , i dont know why you are seeing raining in Saudi Arabia. What happened there ? o
Look here for Yemen
http//athaia.org/yemen-meteo-climat-fr.html
(rain is called pluie in french)Now, September hypothesis is based for me on these facts
- Meaning of word ramadhan as you noticed.
- Meaning of word qadr (measure) wich can be understood as perfect equilibrum between lenght day and length of night
- equinox day is equinox day il all the planet, even in north pole. Summer solistice in noth hemisphere in winter is south and there is no night in north pole.
-Based on 30-2 and history of persian/roman war, year 617 is propably the year in wich occured the layloatou el qadr in wich quran was revealed. It was both laylatou el qadr (equinox) and shahr ramadhan (full moon of ramadhan) as quran said it was revealed in both laylatou el qadr and shahr ramadhan. Night of 20 spetember 617 was night of such a concidence. Moreover , it was a night in wich moon was at perigee, wich means that it was a supermoon (the biggest moon possible in the sky). The next full moon, the one of 20 october 617, was ? night of inchiqaq qamar, that is a lunar eclipse in middle east whare moon appeared splitted in two.
and here are the proofs
http//eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLEmap/0601-0700/LE0617-10-20P.gif
and just type year 617 here
http//www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.htmlWhat a beautiful night it was.
Peace
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Salam Pazuzu ,
I believe too that rmdh is to indicate a seasonal period , but i personally do not see that is about the period of maximum heat , the word ramdhaan is following too the pattern fa3lan explained below
Mean that the rmdh has accrued and expended to reach it's maximum , then the rmdh will finish after reaching the stage of its fullness . So yes the term shahr Ramadan is pointing to the period where the rmdh has reached its maximum.
This thread theory believe that Ramadhan is the scorching heat period , i personally don't think so and i will inshaA allaah try to prove that from the Quran and connected to other evidence .
The whole theory of the period of Ramadan and the concept and nature and the length of the fast is not consistent according to this thread and need major reviewing so we come inchaA allaah to the better understanding , with respect to the sincere effort ,study and research of who contributed to uncover the veils about this topic , and may allaah reward them for their sincere effort and guide us all to what is nearer to this in comprehension .
Peace Al-Kitab
What about superlative of ra-mim-dhad" which is "armadh" vs "ramadhan"
"Armadh" shall be "the most scorching" or "the hottest" the form similar to
akbar
asfal
asgharMay i know what is the core difference between these two form of derivative.
best n peace,
ashraf vs sharafan -
Peace Al-Kitab
What about superlative of ra-mim-dhad" which is "armadh" vs "ramadhan"
"Armadh" shall be "the most scorching" or "the hottest" the form similar to
akbar
asfal
asgharMay i know what is the core difference between these two form of derivative.
best n peace,
ashraf vs sharafanSalam Ashraf ,
Armadh is under the pattern Af3al it is a superlative or comparative pattern between two or more ex
This month is Armadh from all the al-shuhur so this month is Ramdan
Allaah is Arham al-rahimyin so he is al-rahman
Iblis is the AshaT from all the rest of the world , so he is al-shaytanThe pattern Af3al can also be used as a name when the al is added at the begining
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638 (They say, "If we return to al-Madinah, the more honored (al-A3az) will surely expel therefrom the more humble ( al-Adal )." And to Allah belongs honor, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites do not know.)
The pattern Af3al is only used to indicate comparison and superlative forms between two things or more , while the pattern Fa3lan doesn't require comparison or superlative form , if something was known to be the most in a state or attribute compered superlatively to other-things under the pattern Af3al then his name become under the pattern Fa3lan , ex
allaah Arham al-rahemyin
allah is the most merciful from all othersSo allaah is al-rahman ( the name form of the most merciful under the pattern Fa3lan ) , we can also say allah is al-arham ( under the pattern Af3al ) but this form is a comparative and superlative , the name that is concluded from that comparative superlative form is al-rahman
Comparative & superlative form Name derived
Form Af3al Form fa3lanArmadh----------------------------------------------= ramdan
Ashtan-----------------------------------------------= shaytan
Aryah ------------------------------------------------= rayhan
Aanass-----------------------------------------------= inssan
A3tash------------------------------------------------= 3atshanSo the pattern Fa3lan ( name ) is including the pattern Af3al ( comparative & superlative adjective )
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peace,
See
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=10&verse=5#(1051)Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan wa alqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila...
red = feminine
blue = masculine
hu = masculine singular"...qaddara/determined hu/it manazila/phases..."
salam,
i have a question, please.
17.12.
17.12 . And we appoint the night and the day two portents . Then We make dark the portent of the night , and We make the portent of the day sight giving , that ye may seek bounty from your Lord , and that ye may know the computation of the years , and the reckoning ; and everything have We expounded with a clear expounding .10/5.Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan wa alqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila...
the portent/signs is a light?????? and not a moon???
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Does Ramadan mean 'hot, scorching heat' or does it signal the first signs of rain after the heat? Can someone clarify this with proofs? Not hunches or gut feelings.
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In what source is the following expression and that it means a number between 3 and 10 days
Langue source
Dans quelle source trouve-t-on l?expression suivante et qu?elle signifie un nombre entre 3 et 10 jours -
Salaam freeminders,
I would like to add my 5 cents to the discussion on Ramadhan from slightly different perspective.. through analysing the book of Exodus.. However you might be surprised how this analysis connects to your arguments...
I have opened a new theread as it brings new info and I wouldn't like to disrupt your discussion here. I would really appreciate your comments and feedback regarding ithttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606402.0
Looking forward to hear from you
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So what is the Summer calculation for 2014?
Summer Solstice 2014 = Jun 21, 2014
So would ramadan be starting on the Following FULL moon 2014 = July 12, 2014 (1125am Saturday)?? -
What about having the fasting period count the new moon after the summer solstice? has anyone experimented with this idea?
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I just saw that this thread has been going on for nearly 10 years now and just laughed my head off. rotfl
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Peace to all.
Surely for those fasting at the start of the Summer Solstice, the date would be June 13? -
Peace to all.
Surely for those fasting at the start of the Summer Solstice, the date would be June 13?I am waiting reply for this as well peace
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Peace,
according to my understanding, fasting will start on 13th June, and lasts for the next 10 days. Even if the full moon will be visible somehow on 12th in the morning, I believe that we are commanded to fast from the next day. It is because according to Quran and ancient Jewish calendar, day count starts not from the sunrise but from the nightfall and finishes at the sunset, and the day 2 is counted and so on..
So even if moon is observed at some pint during the day, the count should start from the nightfall, does that make sense to you?
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Peace,
Those who advocate 10 days of fasting. What is your argument for this? I am researching on this myself and the whole thing is so vaguely interpreted in the recitation.
God bless you
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Peace,
I have already given the full explanation of my position on that on this threadhttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606402.0
My comparative analysis of Quranic verses and Torah Exodus shows absolute accordance and logic behind revelations of Torah and Quran and gave me instructions that fasting is for 10 days from the full moon after the summer solistice (which will start on 13 July this year).
Of course, this is my research and other people might have other ideas about ramadhan and fasting, but to me it was a striking Eureka moment when I realised that my analysis of the journey of Children of Israel from the land of Phiraun up to the moment they got to the Mountain where Moses received revelation comes to exactly the same conclusion as independent study by brother Ayman who focused purely on semantical analysis of Quranic verses on the subject of fasting and calendar!!! If you are looking for clear cut answers and obvious verses, then you might get disappointed. The whole ramadhan stuff falls into those unclear verses category and the only solution for you is to ponder on verses, ask critical questions and search for answers for yourself.
actually, I agree that the whole ramadhan and fasting issue is just as much ambiguous as the issue where the real Kaaba or even more. I spent really long hours and days and weeks searching and analysing things and I would reccommend you brother a lot of patience and really carefully reading this thread (at least first few dozens of pages lol) and the link I gave you as they deal with very detailed and really complicated matters that you or I never bothered before such as what is the true calendar system, intercelary month,its counting, dvelving on meaning of words such as shahr, nasi, ramadhan etc etd.
After all, what I think matters and God knows best is our intention. If someone came to conclusion after prayers for guidance and pondering on verses and critical and logical analysis that one should fast 3 days in September then let them do it. As long as people do sth based on their genuine intention to follow God and His command after making effort to search for answers then I believe that is fine. But it is not fine to follow others blindly just because they say so or because it's been like this for ages and it is considered as unquestionable truth even though it is illogical.
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
As far as I know, it's not mandatory for Sunni, but more like special sunnah practice ---> "Fasting in Sha'ban".
http//www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/fasting_during_shaban
http//askaquestionto.us/question-answer/shaban/the-significance-of-fasting-shaban
http//www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=1719&category=130
http//www.islamicity.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0409-2468
http//www.missionislam.com/knowledge/shaban.htm
http//www.dailyhadith.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=69.0
http//www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml
http//www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/shaban/ghunya_shaban_frame.htm
http//salaf-us-saalih.com/2010/07/15/deeds-are-presented-to-allah-during-shaban-today-is-3rd-shabaan/