Any Quranist Mosque?
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Peace,
I would focus my connection to God on seeking Nearness and Guidance rather than wishing peace on someone who already has maximum bliss. Perhaps wishing peace/unity upon the righteous contemporary friends and family would be in order.
That is for you to receive inspiration that you may serve God better and get blessed. With God's help you will become successful in whatever you do as long as you show appreciation. You shall "walk along the beach with The Lord". God has an integral part of your life and your Master is always there, always near. Live in symbiosis and communion with His creation is the best because then you are walking along the beach with the Lord.
God bless you
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Salam brother Man of Faith,
I think you are getting me wrong, so I gotta make my self clear more.Do you not think that any of the other of God's missionaries ran into hardship? Or any anonymous righteous individual that served God.
I never said such a thing, thousands more have died and been presecuted for the same reason, my point was not to say "Muhammad was the only one", my point was since "he was one of those, so lets not forget what he did."
It is sadly enough clear idolatry in the tone of your writing. Distinction to make Muhammad any particular person even as he could have been just anyone who is reverent.
Bro, I really hate this cross-shirk calling to each other between sects, when I was a sunni I hated it, it was against my fitra, same as now, no one has the right to declare someone as idolater or not, it depends on your intentions, and God alone knows what is anyones intentions. I never did, nor will I ever will make Muhammad, more distinct or more superior to his brothers in mission, All prophet's are the same to me, they all had the same message.. however by the nature of the subject, we know more about Muhammad's life that about Noah don't we ? so why not learn from his life ? he was a prophet, I mean I have no objection to learn from Enstein, Ghandi and Martin Luther's life.. and they were no prophets, why should I have one when it comes to Muhammad ?
And you cannot contact him in Heaven and it is utterly useless to mention him in your prayer, and it causes some distinction as well as your contact is supposed to be with God alone. You cannot change anything about him in Heaven and he cannot change anything that you are already entitled to or not.
sure I agree with everything you said there. )
The service to God is supposed to be devoted solely to God alone as well as the location that is making contact. It speaks for itself that ought to be wrong to perform a contact within an idolatrous temple. Are you going to get helped by The Lord when you utter your words within a community that is misguided and socialize with them and make contact with them on top of that?
Agree with the service being done to God alone bro, but there is no specific location for that... you can call God alone even in the bathroom if you want to, or in a church if you want to, adding further to religious values will make it more complicated for yourself and those around you. And there is no "Idolatrous temple" !! I mean seriously ? how can you call a temple idolatrous ? I mean yes you are right, there are thousands of places were idolatry is held on to, but that does not make the place infected does it ? why this logic here ?
Yes I believe i will still be helped even If I pray with a Sunni, though am no longer one, and I no longer pray the way they do, nor think the way they do, nor even believe the same way the do. but they are not criminals, they are trying to be good intentionally, they have felt for the trick of people long ago, instead of despising them, go help them, we were mostly once all sunni's.. at least I was, and when I was there, I wanted to be helped, not despised.
If you read the Qur'an with scrutiny, you will notice that the prophets were to stay in their people for a long time, they used to call them to truth and guidance, the only moment they left was when they were hopeless of them... so this act of disinguishing between Quranists and sunnis will lead to further trouble... we can accept each other, but we can critisize each others ideology to the heart. that is what I'm with, and not the runaway stay in a "non-idolatrous temple" which some people believe in. Seriosuly, with all respect, I believe it is ridiculous.
You need to stay away from that and it is better to stay home in your bedroom where your contact can be devoted to God alone, or in a small group that truly serves God.
I used to go the mosque a lot, but now I don't.. the only reason is, because I will waste my time there if I do, not because they are "Idolaters"... and if one day, they change, I will be more than happy to rejoin them, still from time to time, I will go and pay them a visist, its something humanitarian, and I believe it is good to do that.
It is not about splitting anything but about joining an activity that meets the criteria of polytheism. If a group of Christians who are "Unitarian" were performing a prayer then I could join that as well even if I traditionally would label myself Muslim, but I cannot join a Communion where others are mention alongside with God, no matter "religion". That would be wrong.
And it is not about being arrogant but about doing what is right and not wrong.
I have no more closeness to Muhammad than I have to any other of God's servants. On a personal preference I would likely go along better with someone like Moses if we talk personality chemistry, if we involve the socializing factor and that is not because I think they are better "Prophets or "Missionaries/Messengers" but because my personality is quite alike him (not saying we would stand each other though rotfl). That they became so close to God, all of them, is fantastic, but from a decree-bearing perspective they just did their "jobs". And they were not perfect, and then I do not only mean Jonah*, but also Muhammad had his personality causing trouble in his service to God.
Agree with everything you said there, personally, I feel close to Abraham a lot.. for reasons I would like to keep to my self. )
- Jonah openly disobeyed God, but was actually forgiven and retained his status as a missionary.
It is not wrong to refuse praying with someone who would call Muhammad in his contact.
In this case it is not extremism but doing what is right, and it is not oppression.
You actually imply that Muhammad is your idol, and could be why you would accept mentioning his name in a summoning despite that the decree says no-no.
What Jonah did was leaving his people because they were not obeying God, and God commaneded him to stay with them, isn't that a remarkable example you mentioned ? stay with them ) ? anyway, I don't call for any thing other than God in my prayer, neither does a sunni... they just send him salutations and peace, though I don't think that will change anything, but I'm against calling this "idolatry" when its just salutations rather than worshipping Muhammad and calling him to bless humans. Yeah I call that shirk as well. but that is not what sunnis do. If you were a Sunni and you understood what they said, then for sure you will not call that shirk.
On more thing is, I don't take Muhammad as an idol, I take him as a roll model, someone I want to be like him..
same way I want to be like Richard feynman, John lenon or any other famous personality as a human... So don't mix between a roll model, and someone to worship.God bless you too brother.
I hope I made my self clear.Peace,
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It's the same thing.
Taking someone as a role model means you idolize them.
As none of us ever knew how exactly Prophet Mohammed was apart from what was mentioned about him in the Quran, it is impossible to take him as a role model.
When God mentioned to follow the prophet's example in the Quran, he was talking about the rules. Prophet was following god's rules on how to behave, so those wishing to stay on the true path could see how to act.
How to be a good Muslim is in the Quran.
All we can do is be good, true and follow Allah's commands. No need to take someone as a role model.
Now, can we get back to the topic? This is about having a quranist mosque which is needed these days.
Although I'm open for a prayer place that welcomes everyone- we have to keep the horrible narrow minded people away with their preachings and hostile nature.
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Taking someone as a role model means you idolize them.
When you can not differentiate between idolizing and roll modeling.. you are doomed to make fatal mistakes in your life.
As none of us ever knew how exactly Prophet Mohammed was apart from what was mentioned about him in the Quran, it is impossible to take him as a role model.
Exactly, so what ever is there, I will accept it AS LONG as it goes along with the Qur'an, his acts of forgivement, of charity, love, friendship, neighbours love, taking care of others, visisting sick people and socializing with others..etc
And whatever goes against the Qur'an, like those fabricatiosn which came from today's tampered bible, I will definately refuse, like those misogynistic ideas, barbaric brutality, bigotry, selfishness and intolerance..etc
When God mentioned to follow the prophet's example in the Quran, he was talking about the rules. Prophet was following god's rules on how to behave, so those wishing to stay on the true path could see how to act.
That is what I'm doing.
No need to take someone as a role model.
You need some education. Go out and see life, roll modeling is beign inspired by someone who has done something good to be remembered, like for example taking Neils Bohr for basing the Qunatum Mechanics theory.. If you haven't expereinced inspiration, then go to a psychotherapist.
Now, can we get back to the topic? This is about having a quranist mosque which is needed these days.
You could have ignoted my comment and went directly to the topic if u wanted to, but your double standardism is as low as your commment, sorry for being harsh, I'm honest, and I'm direct.
Although I'm open for a prayer place that welcomes everyone- we have to keep the horrible narrow minded people away with their preachings and hostile nature.
"Before you try to diagnose people with something, make sure you are no one of them first"
-- 2 Pac.yeah 2 Pac is a roll model 2 me as well.
I'm surprised some people still have the same mind-base even after leaving behind all those ignorant-imported teaching to Islam through Sunna.
Peace,
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Yamibato,
Your defensive attitude shows that you are getting offended. That was not my intention.
I was merely stating a fact. To take someone as a role model means you idolize them. You want to be them. That's what taking someone as a role model means.
You are confused. Instead of trying to pass cheap insults to people, maybe you should go look in the dictionary.
You also need to read the Quran more. Especially on how to respect other Quran only muslims.
I do not take offence at your words.
In terms of education,
I know me. You don't.
You also need to take your own advice.
I posted because I knew you were wrong or either confused. Just wanted to help you clear things hence which is why I posted my comment.
I'm not going to argue with you. You can do that by yourself.
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3321 Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God
684 And you are of a high moral character.
So yes, Prophet Muhammad's (alayhissalam) character is praised by Quran. We know how he was. There is no question about his character. Doubting the Prophet's character is doubting the Quran.
Peace
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You need some education. Go out and see life, roll modeling is beign inspired by someone who has done something good to be remembered, like for example taking Neils Bohr for basing the Qunatum Mechanics theory.. If you haven't expereinced inspiration, then go to a psychotherapist.
Brother, isn't God want us to apply kindness?
If you take Prophet as your role model, then do you really follow his attitudes?
I suppose the Prophet was a man who act kindly, loving, humble, caring in tenderness toward the other believers.
You could have ignoted my comment and went directly to the topic if u wanted to, but your double standardism is as low as your commment, sorry for being harsh, I'm honest, and I'm direct.
Honesty is important, however I think being honest can be done by using better words to speak.
I really hope that all brothers in this forum can at least apply patience and kindness toward their sisters by not saying hurtful words.
Peace.
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Sorry. I haven't read and have no time to read all the posts but why are some people in this thread seem against the person "Yami"?
Role model is not "idolized" people.
Idolozing people is like this
"Ya Ali"
"Salaamun alayka ya Muhammad Rasul Allah, ya Rasul Allah, ya Rasul Allah, ya Rasul Allah"
"Ya Fatima"
.....etc...A role model is someone that we are inspired by. I don't think people who are inspired by Albert Einstein chant "ya Einstein, ya Einstein, ya Einstein" etc.
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Oh okay )
After reading all the posts, I know why people are angry with Yami. -
And the Jews (......................) say "The Nazarenes (......................) have no basis,"
and the Nazarenes (......................) say "The Jews (......................) have no basis,"
while they are both reciting the Book!Similarly, those who do not know have said the same thing
God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection in what they dispute.
And who are more wicked than those who prevent the temples of God that His name be mentioned in them; and they seek their destruction?
They will not be able to enter them except in fear
they will have humiliation in this world and in the Hereafter a painful retribution.
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" defensive attitude shows that you are getting offended. That was not my intention. "
Loool my friend, believe me I'm not, I just don't want my brothers/sisters to be bigots and have no tolerance to other opinions, I don't want them to have hate toward anybody. Rather have it if you want toward an ideology, not toward the persons themselves...
Since I'm a Quran alone Muslim now, I pray with Sunnis full of love... how is that for you ? Yet, I tell them I disagree with what you believe in, I believe that God should be the center of our focus, I tell them always that we have ignored God's book and went after people and humans opinions instead, ...etc. but In ever hated them for a moment, I was once one of them until God guided me to be who I am today, And I'm sure they are not ready yet, the pressure on them is too much.. otherwise they might become even better Believers than both of us...
I was merely stating a fact. To take someone as a role model means you idolize them. You want to be them. That's what taking someone as a role model means.
Sorry to say, but I never liked people who speak with "facts" when for sure some things can not be known if they are facts or not, I would have been more benign if you would have said "this is my opinion", for whatever you said its your opinion to me... that is how I take it until convincing evidence comes a long.
You are confused. Instead of trying to pass cheap insults to people, maybe you should go look in the dictionary.
Sorry bro/sis... never meant to insult, I apologize. But I'm surprised you don't know the difference between a roll model and an idol when in fact you claim to speak with "facts".
You also need to read the Quran more. Especially on how to respect other Quran only muslims.
I know Arabic, because I have studied it since I was a kid, and I live among Arabs, am not an Arab however, and for sure I will take your advice "Need to read the Quran more", and when it comes to respect people... If I respect a Sectarian who believes one should be killed for belief change, then for sure I respect a Quran alone Muslim.
What you fail to differentiate between here is, I don't disrespect people, I disrespect ideas and opinions.
Sorry If you got it the other way.I do not take offence at your words. )
Well I thank you for that, because that is not my intention, I'm very delighted to hear that.
I posted because I knew you were wrong or either confused. Just wanted to help you clear things hence which is why I posted my comment.
Thank you for that as well, but when you comment, always expect a reply.
I hope I didn't offend/insult you in anyway possible,
I have clean intentions here bro, sorry If I have shown something else, but that is what I truly stand for.Good luck,
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I agree, I should try to be more kind that how I was there..
However I apologized since I wanted him to know my intentions..
And yeah I'm not perfect, I sounded rude there, but I'm surprised when people don't differentiate between simple stuff in life, yet they go for advanced arguments.@Yuliana
Serisouly, I don't care if people get mad or not.. nor will I get mad if other support their madness.
I truly believe inside my self that Muhammad was a good man otherwise he will not be a prophet, and of course not everything we know about him is a lie, so I decided to take from his life what is good and what is Quranic, just like I do it from everyone else.
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I agree, I should try to be more kind that how I was there..
However I apologized since I wanted him to know my intentions..
And yeah I'm not perfect, I sounded rude there, but I'm surprised when people don't differentiate between simple stuff in life, yet they go for advanced arguments.Brother, I think TruthSeeker101 is a Sister, our sister, that's why I feel the need to interfere.
She do not take offence at your words, but it might bother me when I found a guy said rude words to a lady.
Please be more patient and kind to the ladies. That would be cool. )
Thank you for your understanding.
Peace.
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Brother, I think TruthSeeker101 is a Sister, our sister, that's why I feel the need to interfere.
She do not take offence at your words, but it might bother me when I found a guy said rude words to a lady.
Please be more patient and kind to the ladies. That would be cool.
Thank you for your understanding.
Peace.We are now talking personally by messages, and I just realized that, she is a female.
However I see no difference between a male and female when it comes to those subjects.
Thank you for your advice.Peace.
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We are now talking personally by messages, and I just realized that, she is a female.
However I see no difference between a male and female when it comes to those subjects.
Thank you for your advice.Peace.
Bold
Yes, it should be.
Sister TruthSeeker101 also tell me that she hope all believers treat each other kindly despite what gender they are.
And here is my answer to her.
Yes, indeed, they should be. I hope so too.
But I think I already tired to remind those brothers so they realize that we need to respect each other. They seem not listen... *sigh (
What I think is like "Okay brothers, giveup you guys, do what you want with each other, but do not speak to sisters here in the same manner." >(
I think some of bothers here already behave well.
However, to be honest there are quite a lot of unnecessary quarrels here, those actually can be avoided if we can be patient toward one another.
I emphasize on brothers because they are men, and men usually choose to be in charge position or want to be leaders for women, so it supposed to be they show good examples in behaviors, and I don't see such things happen often in here.
Can we establish free-minds to be a more peaceful forum? I hope so.
Peace.