Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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God is good and if you meld with God so you shall become and a successful harmonizing means you will belong to God's "kingdom" so to say. "Melding", as I have begun to call salat now, provides you with Nearness and Guidance and you gradually belong more and more to God's domain or deen.
Brother, may I know what do you mean with "meld with God"? confused
Peace.
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So, what is the term for those people who don't believe in Allah?
Is there any Quranic term (Quranic word) for "disbeliever"?Peace.
Salaam,
Sorry, at the moment I don't know what it means. InshaAllah, I will share with you if Allah teaches me.
May Allah bless you pr
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Peace Javalette,
Melding is another word for the word prayer without the neanderthal style meaning which you perform while commencing the bonding/communion which could also be regarded as a kind of meditation except that you know that while doing so you are in contact with the powerful source often called God or rather channel inspiration and guidance. Anyway, if you have seen the motion picture 'Star Wars' you have an example with the Jedi practitioners "syncing" with the Force. God is wise and a source of guidance and seeking the "face" of God is a very good way of gaining Knowledge and Wisdom as well as the Nearness and Guidance. Nearness is God's willingness to let you bond while the opening energy that comes down is guidance. The guidance opens up for a better understanding of Knowledge and Wisdom. Knowledge could equal to understanding the decree (al-ketaab) whereas Wisdom is the ability to know how to apply that knowledge.
As you know the decree contains of allegorical and non-allegorical moral lessons and some few rules. The wise and knowledgeable with faith will be able to soak up the narrations and also apply its moral meaning in their daily lives.
God may also channel things which are not yet narrated to any person with strong faith as "God's pen does never run out of ink" meaning the Guidance part will grow plentifully causing you to a state where you may know above what the recitation teaches in terms of moral character as it is limited to just some length while the recitation is containing guidelines for daily living. You can never finish your "training", but you can become a "mumin" (believer or more exactly one with faith) although you can likely never cap your level of faith or you would be equal to God because God is the source of faith (iman) and the one with capped faith would never commit any error. It would be a dream scenario, but I am sure not even Jesus had capped faith level.
A muslim, much like many have already figured out on this forum, is someone that does not require faith to be but it is a way of being and acting in your life. Anyone, faith or not, ought to be a Muslim (loosely meaning "harmonizer", ie someone that aims for balance without injustice and vice) and if one is not a harmonizer they are a 'kufr' (opponent that opposes and to do kufr is to oppose). It is God's mission that they oppose and God and everything in The Master's domain. They are losers without perceiving as they have no chance against God, but they are so delusioned and lost that they think they follow what is right but not. They do not see reason, and they can think they have faith (iman) while they do not. And they can think that they only live once and do not have any faith either and oppose God by opposing those who have true faith.
But the term disbeliever is a human invention because We know The Master energy exists and so do all who have true faith. Even those without faith do often acknowledge that there is a creator but they often lie to themselves. God is self-aware and needs no one to have faith but it is for our own sake. God has no need for us as The Master can control everything without any helpers. We are servants because we happen to be created by the mighty energy in the universes and we are in full control by The Master and the best thing is to meld and be part of the domain. God has traits which are good and superior and why would The Master keep evil-doers? Why not put then in Hell?
Please dear sister (is it right?), enter into harmony with God and all that encompasses The Master and continue the melding and the purification. Struggle for God's cause and we will surely be winners.
It is sad that every time a missionary comes a group of people always pervert the decree and twist it with their tongues, and they only conjecture on things they have no knowledge. And they oppose while they should know the decree and they show their true nature as opponents. They want no harmony but want their ego and arrogance and God's curse has caused their deeds to look good in their eyes.
If you have faith, serve The Master, my Master and your Master, to The Master we shall return.
Have faith in The Master and me, realize kufr is no disbeliever but rather opponent. They reject, but they do so by opposing God and those who have faith.
God bless you
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Sorry, at the moment IAs for those who reject, whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. don't know what it means. InshaAllah, I will share with you if Allah teaches me.
Ok,
but how about 26?
As for those who refuse/deny/reject (kafarū, whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
Looks like this verse indicates that the rejecter (kafir) will never become believer,
so in this case, those people who reject can also be called disbelievers.
What do you think, brother?
Peace.
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Note
This is the correction for my above post in this thread (Reply #273) ---> I just realized the mistake on it, and too late to modify it.Sorry, at the moment I don't know what it means. InshaAllah, I will share with you if Allah teaches me.
Ok,
but how about 26?
As for those who refuse/deny/reject (kafarū, whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
Looks like this verse indicates that the rejecter (kafir) will never become believer,
so in this case, those people who reject can also be called disbelievers.
What do you think, brother?
Peace.
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Melding is another word for the word prayer without the neanderthal style meaning which you perform while commencing the bonding/communion which could also be regarded as a kind of meditation except that you know that while doing so you are in contact with the powerful source often called God or rather channel inspiration and guidance.
So, in other words, you perceive your salat/prayer as "melding"?
Do you refer to non ritual salat here?
What's your opinion about ablution (Qur'an 56) before prayer/salat?
Anyway, if you have seen the motion picture 'Star Wars' you have an example with the Jedi practitioners "syncing" with the Force.
Yeah, I've ever seen Star Wars back then...jedi the lightsaber looks cool...
A muslim, much like many have already figured out on this forum, is someone that does not require faith to be but it is a way of being and acting in your life.
My current understanding is that someone still require faith to be muslim,
but the difference is,
the faith of a muslim has not yet reach his/her heart.
I take myself as example...
I want to be a believer, but it looks like my faith still not reach its perfection.
I think my faith already reach my mind (my thinking, in my head),
however, I'm not sure if my faith already completely sturdy reside in my heart.
I remember this verse,
The Arabs said "We believe."
Say "You have not believed, but you should say 'We have submitted', for belief (true faith) has not yet entered into your hearts,
but if you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful."
I'm hoping that at least now I can be a muslim (submitter), inshaAllah.
Please dear sister (is it right?),
Yes, I'm a female. ) Thank you, dear brother.
Perhaps my username may sound masculine, but I'm a female. D
I live in JAVA island, Indonesia. I suppose I added "Latte" because it sound nice, I think...
enter into harmony with God and all that encompasses The Master and continue the melding and the purification.
Thank you, brother.
However, I still need time to completely understand what you mean above,
but I agree with purification.
I think purification is one of the reasons why we're placed in this world for a while, it's to cleanse our souls by obeying God's commands, so that we can become better/advanced souls.
Struggle for God's cause and we will surely be winners.
I agree.
Have faith in The Master and me, realize kufr is no disbeliever but rather opponent. They reject, but they do so by opposing God and those who have faith.
But it looks like "kufr" fairly closely linked with disbelief.
I still need to explore this, though.
Peace.
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"Those who oppose harmony and balance in the system are your kafiroon"
26 As for those who oppose, whether you warn them or not warn them, they will not have faith.
27 God has sealed their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes are
covers. They will incur a great retribution.
28 And from the people are those who say ?We have faith in God and
in the Last Day,? but they are not ones with faith.
29 They seek to deceive God and those who have faith, but they only deceive themselves without noticing.
210 In their hearts is a disease, so God increases their disease, and they will have a painful retribution for what they have denied.
211 And if they are told ?Do not make corruption in the land,? they say ?But we are reformers!?
212 No, they are the corruptors, but they do not perceive.
213 And if they are told ?Have faith, as the people have faith,? they say ?Shall we have faith like the foolish have faith?? No, they are the foolish but they do not know.And so on.
Those who oppose harmony and balance in the system are your kafiroon. It does not matter if they are aggressive so-called "atheists" or militant islamists.
It is interesting that those who promised to safe-keep the recitation to X (allegedly Muhammad (I respect mmkhan's faith and to me it does not matter who or what it is)) could not do so but corrupted the meaning of words instead by claiming having exclusive ability to interpret the text and so it continued for over a millennium. I am not arrogant to say that I finally managed to cleanse the text from corruption myself, but I have had much useful help from several forum members and their struggle as well as channeled inspiration from God (Nearness and Guidance which let into Knowledge and Wisdom). But as you can clearly see and you can likely verify my claims yourselves if you forget the indoctrinated meanings of words which have let to that entire dictionaries point towards the wrong meaning. If a group of people intentionally begin to perceive a word different from what it originally meant that will have a great affection on what is written in dictionaries too (as well as the so-called hearsay/hadith of Muhammad).
List of huge corruptions which are solved by the forum, or at least those who accept including my work
• Ketaab is decree not book
• Qur'an is recitation (which people knew already, but not that it can be any recitation even if in the decree to X (Muhammad) it refers to THAT recitation). It is by far anything magical or an idol.
• (dh - r - b) in 434 does not mean to beat/strike
• Kafir is not a word for someone who rejects but someone who opposes
• Islam does mean something like submission but peace/harmony/balance. Go into islam with God is not more difficult than to harmonize yourself with God. And it is not the name of a religion.
• Salat is not a brainless ritual but a bonding and involves knowing what to say. I call it communion or melding.
• Zakat is betterment or purification and is nearly always mentioned together with salat which might be quite self-explanatory.
• Torah refers to the teachings to Moses
• Gospel refers to the teachings to Jesus - Giving new light and guidance to the old torah.
And the list is probably longer with things I forgot and things we have not yet solved.
Red I am sure the "jihadist islamists" would say this if you interview them about their deeds.
Let us go to examples of comprehension boosts with the new light on kufr including relevant corrections to the Monotheist Translation.
234 And We said to the angels ?Pay homage to Adam,? so they paid homage except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the opponents.
219 Or like a storm cloud from the sky, in it is darkness and thunder and lightning. They place their fingers in their ears from the thunder-claps for fear of death; and God is aware of the opponents.
224 And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the opponents.
226 God does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who have faith, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the opponents, they say ?What does God intend with this example?? He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.
228 How can you oppose God when you were dead and He brought you to life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, then to Him you return.
288 And they said ?Our hearts are sealed!? No, it is God who has cursed them for their opposition, they have but very little faith.
289 And when a decree came to them from God, authenticating what is with them; while before that they were mocking those who opposed; so when what they knew came to them, they opposed it! The curse of God be upon the opponents.
290 Miserable indeed is what they purchase with their souls, that they oppose what God has sent down as a resentment that God would send down from His grace to whom He pleases of His servants; thus they have incurred wrath upon wrath. And the opponents will have a humiliating retribution.
291 And if it is said to them ?Have faith in what God has sent down;? they say ?We have faith only in what was sent down to us,? and they oppose what came after it, while it is the truth authenticating what is with them. Say ?Why then did you kill the prophets of God if you were ones with faith??
292 And Moses had come to you with clear proofs, then you took the calf after him; you were wicked!
293 And We took your covenant, and raised the mount above you ?Take what We have given you of teachings, and listen.? They said ?We hear and disobey!? And they had consumed the calf inside their hearts by their opposition. Say ?Miserable indeed is what your faith orders of you if you are ones with faith!?Red This is an Arabic phrase not intended to be literal, like a way of speaking. It sounds a bit silly in English when taken literally. It was likely deeply rooted in their tradition (in their hearts) so that despite new light (from the torah of Moses) they were ignorant and weak in faith.
2102 And they followed what the devils recited regarding the kingship of Solomon. Solomon did not oppose (the decree), but it was the devils who opposed by teaching people magic, and teaching them what was sent down on the two angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They did not teach anyone until they would say ?We are a test, so do not lose faith!? Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they purchased with their souls if only they knew!
2105 Neither do those who have opposed from among the people of the decree, nor from among the associators, wish that any good comes down to you from your Lord. But God chooses with His mercy whom He wishes; and from God is the greatest grace.
2108 Or do you want to ask your messenger as Moses was asked before? Whoever replaces faith with opposition, he has indeed strayed from the right path.
2109 Many of the people of the decree have wished that they could return you to being opponents after your believing, out of envy from their souls after the truth was made clear to them. You shall forgive them and overlook until God brings His will. God is capable of all things.
2110 And hold the melding/communion, and contribute towards purification; and what you bring forth of good for your souls you will find it with God. God is watching what you do.
2112 No; whoever harmonizes himself with God, while doing good, he will have his recompense with his Lord. There will be no fear over them, nor will they grieve.Note that harmony in the context of the recitation does not mean that things are always peaceful externally, but is to get into a symbiosis or whatever to say, or to get an inner peace within yourself. You wish your friends harmony upon them when you greet them just as you struggle to get while serving God.
2113 And the Jews say ?The Nazarenes have no basis,? and the Nazarenes say ?The Jews have no basis,? while they are both reciting the decree! Similarly, those who do not know have said the same thing. God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection in what they dispute.
2114 And who are more wicked than those who prevent the temples of God that His name be mentioned in them; and they seek their distortion? They will not be able to enter them except in fear; they will have humiliation in this world and in the Hereafter a painful retribution.Note that they are not seeking to destroy it but distort its practice within. Another word in Arabic (kharab) that has a different meaning. If they have destroyed the temple they will not be able to enter it anyway because hence then it is already in ruins. Check the logic.
2115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the face of God. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
And this one sort of breaks the myth of qiblah already before coming to the verses allegedly mentioning it. You see that it is subtly mentioned straight after the distortion of the temple in 2114 which could be show of God's ability to foresee events.
2121 Those to whom We gave the decree, they recite it as it truthfully deserves to be recited; they have faith in it. As for those who oppose it, they are the losers.
2126 And Abraham said ?My Master, make this a faithful land (note my interpretation), and provide for its inhabitants of the fruits for whoever has faith in God and the Last Day.? He said ?As for he who opposes, I will let him enjoy for a while, then I will force him to the retribution of the Fire. What a miserable destiny!?
2128 ?Our Master, and let us harmonize with You and from our progeny a community of harmonizers with You, and show us our ways, and forgive us; You are the Forgiver, the Merciful.?
2131 When his Lord said to him ?Harmonize!,? he said ?I harmonize with the Lord of the worlds.?
2132 And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob ?O my sons, God has selected the system for you, so do not die except as ones in harmony?2190 And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.
2191 And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the recompense of the opponents.
2192 And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
2193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.2253 Such messengers, We have preferred some over others; some of them talked to God, and He raised some of them in rank, and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, the clear proofs and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. And had God wished, the people after them would not have fought after the proofs had come to them, but they disputed, some of them had faith and some of them opposed. If God had wished they would not have fought, but God does what He pleases.
2254 O you who believe, spend from what We have provided for you before a Day comes when there is no trade, nor friendship, nor intercession; and the opponents are the wicked.
2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever opposes evil, and has faith in God, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.Red A very colorful sentence to prove the strength of my claim.
2257 God is the ally of those who believe, He brings them out of the darkness and into the light. As for those who oppose, their allies are the evil ones, they bring them out of the light and into the darkness; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide.
2258 Have you not noted him who debated with Abraham regarding his Lord, while God had given him a kingship? Abraham said ?My Lord is the One who gives life and death,? he said ?I bring life and death.? Abraham said ?God brings the sun from the east, so you bring it from the west.? The one who opposed was baffled! And God does not guide the wicked people.Warning Lackluster translation by the Monotheist Group ahead. I corrected.
2260 And Abraham said ?My Lord, show me how you resurrect the dead.? He said ?Do you not already have faith?? He said ?I do, but it is so my heart can be relieved.? He said ?Choose four birds, then separate them, then place each of the birds on each mountain, then call them to you; they will come racing towards you. And know that God is Noble, Wise.?
2264 O you who have faith, do not nullify your charities with insult and harm; like the one who spends his money in vanity to show off to the people, and he does not have faith in God and the Last Day. His example is like a stone on which there is dust, then it is subjected to a heavy rain which leaves it bare. They cannot do anything with what they have earned; and God does not guide the opposing people.
2268 The devil promises you poverty and orders you to immorality, while God promises forgiveness from Him and grace. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
You are not a disbeliever for siding with Shaytaan, but you are an opponent to God and the allies.
2275 Those who consume usury do not rise except as one being influenced by the touch of the devil. That is because they have said ?Trade is the same as usury.? While God has made trade lawful, and He has made usury unlawful. Whoever has received understanding from His Lord and ceases, then he will be forgiven for what was before this and his case will be with God. But whoever returns, then they are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide.
2277 Those who have faith and do good works, and hold the melding/communion, and contribute towards purification; they will have their recompense with their Lord and there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.
2286 God does not burden a soul except with what it can bear. For it is what it earns, and against it is what it earns. ?Our Master, do not mind us if we forget or make mistakes; our Master, do not place a burden upon us as You have placed upon those before us; our Master, do not place upon us what we cannot bear; pardon us, and forgive us, and have mercy on us; You are our patron, so grant us victory over the opposing people.?
And that is how chapter 2 ends. Grant us victory over those who oppose God and the allies.
Should I continue a little on chapter 3 despite overwhelming evidence already.
34 From before as a guidance for the people, and He sent down the Criterion/distinction/separation. Those who opposed the revelations of God, they will have a severe retribution, and God is Noble, exacting in Revenge.
37 He is the One who sent down to you the decree, from which there are lawgiving revelations; they are the essence of the decree; and others which are of a similitude. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow that which is of a similitude, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say ?We have faith in it, all is from our Lord.? And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.
Is it sadly not what has happened in "Islam", the sect?
310 As for those who opposed, neither their money nor their children will avail them anything from God. They are the fuel of the Fire.
311 Like the behavior of the people of Pharaoh and those before them. They opposed Our signs so God took them for their sins. God is awesome in retribution.
312 Say to those who have oppose ?You will be defeated and gathered towards Hell, what a miserable abode!?
313 There was a sign for you in the two groups that met. One was fighting in the cause of God, and the other was in opposition. They thus saw them as twice their number with their eyes. And God supports with His victory whom He wills. In this is a lesson for those with vision.319 The system with God is balance/harmony, and those who received the decree did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever opposes the revelations of God, then God is swift in judgment.
320 If they debate with you, then say ?I have harmonized (or perhaps humbled!) myself to God, as well as those who follow me.? And say to those who have received the decree and the Gentiles ?Have you harmonized?? If they have harmonized then they are guided, and if they reject, then you are only to deliver, and God is Seer over the servants.
321 Those who oppose the revelations of God and kill the prophets without right, and kill those who order justice from among the people; inform them of a painful retribution.
322 These are the ones whose works will be lost in this world, and in the Hereafter they will have no supporters.
323 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the decree being invited to the decree of God to judge between them, then a group of them reject while they are adverse?
324 That is because they said ?The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days,? and they were arrogant by what they invented in their system.Note They reject the judgment by the receiver of the recitation because they think they can do this because of 324 and did not like what he judged.
328 Let not those with faith take the opponents as allies instead of the (others) with faith. And whoever does so will have nothing with God; for you are to be cautious of them as they deserve. And God warns you of Himself, and to God is the destiny.
331 Say ?If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins.? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
332 Say ?Obey God and the messenger.? But if they turn away, then God does not love the opponents.352 So when Jesus felt their opposition, he said ?Who are my supporters to God?? The disciples said ?We are the supporters of God, we have faith in God and we bear witness that we have harmonized/humbled.?
Another winning passage with opposition as interpretation/translation. You see that he asks who supports him because he sees many adversaries and a few replies as in blue.
353 ?Our Master, we have faith in what You have sent down, and followed the missionary, so record us with those who bear witness.?
354 And they schemed and God schemed, but God is the best schemer.
355 For God said ?O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have opposed, and make those who have followed you above those who have opposed until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed.?
356 ?As for those who have opposed, I will punish them severely in this world and in the Hereafter, they will have no supporters.?369 A group from the people of the decree wished that they could misguide you, but they only misguide themselves and they do not notice.
370 ?O people of the decree, why do you oppose the revelations of God while you are bearing witness??
371 ?O people of the decree, why do you confound the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know??
372 And a group from among the people of the decree said ?Have faith in what was sent down to those who have faith during the beginning of the day, and oppose it by the end of it, perhaps they will return.?
373 ?And do not have faith except in he who follows your system.? Say ?The guidance is the guidance of God.? That anyone should be given similar to what you have been given, or that they debate with you at your Master. Say ?The bounty is in the hand of God, He gives it to whom He chooses, and God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.?374 He singles out with His mercy whom He chooses, and God is with Great Bounty.
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the decree so that you may think it is from the decree, while it is not from the decree, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
379 It is not for any human being that God would give him the decree and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people ?Be servants to me rather than God!? Rather ?Be Devotees for what you have been taught of the decree, and of what you have studied.?
380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to opposition after you have humbled/harmonized?Likely a reference to those who believe Jesus to have excessive authority. Heed what he taught and what X (Muhammad) taught and not for who they were.
383 Is it other than the system of God that they desire, when those in the heavens and the earth have come into harmony to Him voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.
384 Say ?We have faith in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we harmonize.?
385 And whoever follows other than harmony as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.
386 How can God guide a people who have opposed after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.390 Those who have opposed after their belief, then increased in opposition, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.
391 Those who have opposed and died while they were opponents, if the earth full of gold were to be ransomed with it would not be accepted from any of them. For these there will be a painful retribution and they will have no supporters.393 All the food was made lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was sent down. Say ?Bring the Torah and recite it if you are truthful.?
394 Whoever invents lies about God after this, these are the wicked.It appears that Ezra-el invented lies by mistake before the teachings to Moses was revealed, or that he did not lie but thought it might please God. This guy is very interesting to me, quite a mystery.
398 Say ?O people of the decree, why do you oppose the revelations of God, while God is witness over what you do??
399 Say ?O people of the decree, why do you repel from the path of God those who have faith? You wish to twist it while you are witnesses. And God is not unaware of what you do.?
3100 O you who have faith, if you obey a group of those who received the decree they will turn you after your belief into opponents!
3101 And how can you oppose when the revelations of God are being recited to you and with you is His messenger? And whoever holds firmly to God has been guided to the straight path.3104 And let there be a community from among you who calls towards goodness, and orders kindness, and prohibits vice. And these are the successful ones.
This is sadly not exactly what happened after the revelation of the recitation.
Now I am tired of copy-pasting and I will just paste key passages that show much to prove my claim.
3141 And God will test those who have faith and He will condemn the opponents.
3142 Or did you think that you would enter the Paradise without God distinguishing those who would strive among you and distinguishing those who are patient?3196 Do not be deceived by the success of those who have opposed in the land.
418 And there will be no repentance for those who commit sin then when death comes upon any one of them he says ?I repent now!? Nor for those who die while they are opponents. For those We have prepared a painful retribution.
Note the grammar in this sentence.
437 Those who are stingy and order the people to stinginess, and they conceal what God has given them from His bounty. And We have prepared for the opponents a humiliating retribution.
438 And those who spend their money to show off to the people, and they do not have faith in God or the Last Day. And whoever has the devil as his associate, then what a miserable associate!
439 What would bother them if they had faith in God and the Last Day and spent from the provisions of God? God is aware of them.It seems that faith is when you do good things such as spend your provisions as in this case. They would then have a little faith. I begin to oppose the whole system of believe or disbelieve, and congratulations to the atheists that are sad because of the "terrorist religions" with their Arab god. Tell 'Student of Allah' that he can relax a little. I delved into this research because I could not think that God stood for this myself. I had to channel inspiration from The Master and receive Guidance. It should not be something that turns people away from God.
442 On that Day those who opposed and disobeyed the messenger will wish that the earth would swallow them; but they cannot hide any narrative from God.
443 O you who believe, do not come near the contact prayer while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. Nor if you have had intercourse, unless traveling, until you bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or one of you has excreted feces, or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.
Hmm.. hmm
I have always loved running havoc on this verse. I think the meaning of the word derived for 'intoxicated' has a much wider meaning than just that. I leave it be regardless right now.
451 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the decree, they have faith in sorcery and evil, and they say to those who opposed ?You are better guided than those who have faith in the path.?
Here you have an example of the true word for reject.
455 Some of them had faith in it, and some of them rejected it. In Hell will be enough flames.
456 Those who have opposed Our revelations, We will admit them to a Fire. Every time their skins are cooked, We replace them with other skins that they may taste the retribution. God is Noble, Wise.Excellent passage with kufr!
460 Did you not see those who claimed they had faith in what was sent down to you and what was sent before you? They wanted to seek judgment using evil, while they were ordered to oppose it. It is the devil who wants to lead them far astray.
461 And if they are told ?Come to what God has sent down and to the messenger,? you see the hypocrites turning away from you strongly.I feel the same. Many people will hate me for this heresy as they may as well call it.
462 Why then, when disaster befalls them for what their hands have delivered, do they come to you swearing by God that they only wanted to do good and reconcile?
463 These are a people whom God knows what is in their hearts, so reject them and advise them, and say to them in their souls a clear saying.476 Those who have faith fight in the cause of God, while those who oppose fight in the cause of evil; so fight the supporters of the devil, for the planning of the devil is weak.
Interesting passages again
488 What is the matter with you that you are divided into two groups over the hypocrites, while God has regressed them for what they have earned? Do you want to guide those whom God misguides? Whoever God causes to be misguided, you will never find for him a path.
489 They hope that you will oppose as they have opposed, then you will be the same. Do not take any of them as allies until they emigrate in the cause of God. If they turn away, then take them and kill them wherever you find them; and do not take from them any ally or supporter.They mean that they want X (Muhammad) to have the same ruthless ways with the hypocrites. Despite these verses much of the Islamic conquest has been "Be muslims or be killed".
490 Except for those who reach a people with whom you have a covenant, or if they come to you with a reluctance in their chests to fight you or to fight their own people. Had God willed He would have given them strength and they would have fought you. But if they retire from you, and do not fight you, and they offer you harmony; then God does not make for you a path against them.
Note that is used here in this sentence. Ponder upon its traditional use to mean submission in other contexts.
4136 O you who have faith; have faith in God and His messenger, and the decree which was sent down to His messenger, and the decree which was sent before. And whoever opposes God, and His angels, and His Books, and His missionaries, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.
4137 Those who had faith, then opposed, then had faith, then opposed, then they increased in opposition; God was not to forgive them nor to guide them to the path.
4138 Give news to the hypocrites that they will have a painful retribution.
4139 Those who take the opponents as allies instead of those with faith ?Do they seek glory with them?? All glory belongs to God.
4140 And it has been sent down to you in the decree, that if you hear the revelations of God being opposed and mocked, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different narrative; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.4150 Those who opposed God and His messengers, and they want to make a separation between God and His missionaries, and they say ?We believe in some and reject some!? And they desire to take a path in-between.
4151 These are the true opponents; and We have prepared for the opponents a humiliating retribution.
4152 And those who have faith in God and His missionaries and do not make a distinction between any of them, We will give them their recompense. And God is Forgiving, Merciful.
4153 The people of the decree ask you to bring down to them a decree from the heaven. They had asked Moses for even more than that, for they said ?Show us God openly!? So the lightning strike took them for their wickedness. Then they took the calf after the clarity had come to them, and We pardoned them for this; We gave Moses a clear authority.It is likely a reference to the meeting with God on the Mount Sinai where Moses received the decree straight up there.
4154 And We raised the mount above them by the covenant they took, and We said to them ?Enter the passageway by crouching.? And We said to them ?Do not transgress the Sabbath;? and We took from them a solemn covenant.
This translation is lackluster. The ?Enter the passageway by crouching.? is not a literal phrase. Perchance it may be 'take the path of humbleness'.
4155 So, for the breaking of their covenant, and their opposition of the revelations of God, and their killing of the prophets without right, and their saying ?Our hearts are shielded.? Indeed, God has stamped upon their hearts because of their opposition; they do not have faith, except for a few.
4156 And for their opposition and their saying about Mary a great falsehood.4159 And from the people of the decree are those who refused to have faith in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be witness against them.
It was quite incredible that they did not have faith in his deeds considered what he did. So stubborn and arrogant people are, and especially blind.
510 And those who oppose and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.
554 O you who believe, whoever from among you turns away from His system, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; humble towards the believers, proud towards the opponents; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
Red It means to keep your pride that they do not transgress despite the anger that is in their hearts when they meet them, but behave according to the decree.
557 O you who have faith, do not take as allies those who have taken your system for mockery and play from among those who have been given the decree before you and the opponents. And be aware of God if you have faith.
And now I have no more time to write anymore. I hope that is convincing enough.
God bless you
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Peace Javalette,
Yes and no. It seems to be decreed at certain times and is partially for glorification purposes. But the practice is so much more than only that. It is a reason why I call it it melding because it is a moment of commemoration of God's grace and to "tune in" on God. As per my current understanding is that you take things with God that goes on in your head and with any wishes that you have.
I hope my previous post can convince you about the muslim and lack of faith. Disbeliever is an invented expression. You can be a muslim and lack faith, but when you have faith you are a mumin. Muslim is the behavior or way of living while the level of "iman" determines your stance as a mumin.
Check my previous post.
God bless you
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Peace Javalette,
It seems to be decreed at certain times
I agree. )
and is partially for glorification purposes.
And I think it's also a good moment for doing invocation.
But the practice is so much more than only that.
Yes, I agree.
It is a reason why I call it it melding because it is a moment of commemoration of God's grace and to "tune in" on God. As per my current understanding is that you take things with God that goes on in your head and with any wishes that you have.
I actually quite like how you call it "melding". )
I mean, I suppose it can give some kind of "relaxation" when we're doing ritual salat.
Perhaps I get a bit tension in my salat when I tried to focus and concentrate, perhaps if I try to "meld", then I can have more harmony, more balance in my salat.
I think I want to try it in my next salat, inshaAllah.
I hope my previous post can convince you about the muslim and lack of faith.
Please give me more time to understand it, brother.
Disbeliever is an invented expression.
Okay... so you believe that kafiroon are the people who oppose harmony and balance in earth?
You can be a muslim and lack faith, but when you have faith you are a mumin.
Does lack faith also including "0 (zero) faith"?
Muslim is the behavior or way of living while the level of "iman" determines your stance as a mumin.
Red Still need time to ponder it.
Blue I agree!
Btw, I wonder how you can post so many words in this forum.
Looks like you have so many words in your mind to be poured into writings, and also, looks like you can type fast! Wow! D
Peace.
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Peace,
Praise be to God for blessing me. By The Master's grace I can do all that, ie responding fast and finding words to say, and it will be necessary to respond to the questions and arrogance and certainty of the claimed followers of the decree that they follow what God rightfully decreed upon those with faith.
A beginning for them is to have a recitation that contains what God really said and not a twisting of what The Master said. But even if you show them the truth straight in the face most of them will not have faith. And that is because the devil has made their ways seem pleasing in their eyes and they are arrogant and a curse that makes them think they are guided while they are not.
The 'kafiroon' ARE the ones who oppose God and the allies. It is not merely conjecture and guesswork. To Kaffir something is to oppose. And I am not arrogant on that but either you have faith in what I say or not. Thinking of it as reject/disbelieve invites to transgression of God's words as one may think that you have the right to be unkind and harsh against anyone who does not have faith in God. That is a sectarian "misunderstanding" probably to find away against others to give expression to their unfaithful whispers of Shaytaan.
If you lack faith 100% then you will be lacking moral standards completely and do sins from right to left. You will have no problems even killing others or raping women. That is what faith is about, ie. the consciousness of the limitations in God's system and not only that God is really real. If you think you have a need to be good and think you can do anything if you just "put your mind to it" for whatever reason you have a certain degree of faith (not faith in your heart, but a "background intelligence" even if you are ignorant to why. You need enlightenment and to open your mind.
God bless you
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This is the correction for my above post in this thread (Reply #273) ---> I just realized the mistake on it, and too late to modify it.Ok,
but how about 26?As for those who refuse/deny/reject (kafarū, whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
Looks like this verse indicates that the rejecter (kafir) will never become believer,
so in this case, those people who reject can also be called disbelievers.What do you think, brother?
Peace.
Salaam,
I will translate 26 as follows with my current understanding of the word kafir, inshaAllah.
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Indeed, those who refused and in proud - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Peace,
26 As for those who oppose, whether you warn them or do not warn
them, they will not have faith.
27 God has sealed their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes are
covers. They will incur a great retribution.It is a comfort to someone who warns the opponents of God which may make you cease your frustration that you cannot convince them.
God bless you
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Salaam,
I will translate 26 as follows with my current understanding of the word kafir, inshaAllah.
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Indeed, those who refused and in proud - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
Thank you, brother.
However, if kafir does not mean disbeliever, then...
my point is how exactly we can call the disbelievers by Arabic word or Qur'anic word?
I wonder if we can find it in the Qur'an,
because if there is no term for them in the Qur'an, then perhaps Allah decided to not give any 'term' for the disbelievers?? confused
While these kind of people exist, don't they?
Peace.
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Peace sister Javalette,
Faithless, is that not a suitable label? It seems Arabic has only one with faith or lack faith. Opponent (kafiroon) if they are oppressive and violent disregarding apparent faith or not. If they are not aggressive they are simply ignorant and lacking the right inspiration as per the recitation. But someone who intentionally does much wrong despite knowing they are 'kafiroon' too as they are in opposition to God for something they are aware of. It has to be that someone is offended in any way to be a sin (God is offended if you fill the criterion of shirk).
I think there is a problem in the traditional understanding of the word 'iman'... too.
God bless you
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Peace sister Javalette,
It seems Arabic has only one with faith or lack faith.
Probably you're right, brother.
If that's the case, then your understanding and brother mmkhan's understanding seem to complement each other in this regard.
I think there is a problem in the traditional understanding of the word 'iman'... too.
Okay... Do you already wrote something about it?
Peace.
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Peace,
Just because it seems like people have to be overwhelmed with tokens before they accept something (in best case if ever) I will continue to propagate for opponent. Let us continue from chapter 5.
My changes to the Monotheist Translation text is bolded.
510 And those who reject and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.
Note that reject and deny mean nearly the same. See the rightful translation below.
510 And those who oppose and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.
English dictionaries even list reject as a 'thesaurus' word of deny. See Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
Of course for those who are true in their heart see that oppose is the correct interpretation here and all other cases of 'kafir'.
See that 'oppose' (kafir) is used in virtually all occurrences with God's threat to throw people into Hell.
Note sure what I should do to convince people about kafir because there are not exactly any usable dictionaries but one can only infer the right meaning based on the literal potency of the text and by applying some reason and logic. It is important for me to prove this because it affects the literal meaning of the Arabic discourse for the negative just as ketaab as book has a huge impact on the meaning negatively.
544 We have sent down the teachings (torah), in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have harmonized judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the decree of God, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the opponents.
545 And We have decreed for them in it that a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and wounds to be similar; and whoever remits anything of it, then it will cancel sins for him. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked (or stray ones).Red Carefully note that this word is k - t - b means decree whenever encountered while reciting the text. Refer to the previous passage that also contains k - t - b, but conspicuously traditionally always translated as book. Ketaab is not book but decree... BINGO! The decree of GOD! police
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the teachings. And We gave him the enlightenment (experimental translation), in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the teachings, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.
547 And let the people of the enlightenment judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
548 And We have sent down to you the truthful decree, authenticating what is between your hands of the decree and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has decreed, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
549 And judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires, and beware lest they divert you away from some of what God has sent down to you. If they turn away, then know that God wants to inflict them with some of their sins; and many of the people are wicked.
550 Is it the judgment of the days of ignorance that they seek? Who is better than God as a judge for a people who comprehend?
551 O you who have faith, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as allies, for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from among you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people.Note that obviously God means the sects Jews and Nazarenes that oppose monotheism and God's right decree and not traditional muslims. This is among passages happily used to hate other sects than the Islam sect. It is also a token that it is wrong that they call themselves muslims by label following a labeled religion called islam. That is why the sect islam suddenly appears around the time of the revelation of the recitation and does not appear before that. And I am sure that you only talked about 'iman' prior to that. I think Jesus does not mention a name of a religion even once in the narrative's about him and the hearsay (hadith) about the prophets of old have no name of a religion. And I am sure the recitation lay discarded for years until someone rediscovered it and this is why there is so much ignorance about it, and they interpreted that the name is Islam and its followers Muslims out of better knowledge and did not even acknowledge the real meaning of the word nor many other words but guessed (and were partially right sometimes).
554 O you who believe, whoever from among you turns away from His system, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; humble towards the believers, proud towards the opponents; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
It means that if they reject God's system then God's spirit will go away from the people and will descend on other people instead that are better than they.
561 And if they come to you they say ?We believe,? while they had entered in with opposition and went out with the same. God is aware of what they were hiding.
562 And you see many of them hasten to sin and transgression and consuming money illicitly. Miserable indeed is what they were doing.564 And the Jews said ?The hand of God is tied-down!? Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and opposition; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, God puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and God does not love the corrupters.
In fact it has been clerics saying this expression in our contemporary times sadly enough. Because of the fact God is passive mostly they say this because their faith is weak.
570 We have taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and We sent to them Our messengers. Every time a messenger came to them with what their souls did not desire, a group of them they would oppose, and a group of them they would kill.
571 And they did not consider it might be a test, so they were blind and deaf. But God would have accepted the repentance from them; but many of them were still blind and deaf. God is Seer over what they do.578 Cursed are those who have opposed from among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That is for what they have disobeyed, and for what they transgressed.
579 They would not stop each other from doing vice. Mischief is what they used to do.
580 You see many of them allying the opponents. Straying is what their souls have provided for them, for the wrath of God is upon them, and in the retribution they will abide.
581 And if they had faith in God and the prophet, and what was sent down to him, then they would not have taken them as allies; but many of them are astray.5115 God said ?I will send it down to you, but whoever opposes after this from among you, I will punish him a punishment like no one else from the worlds will be punished!?
61 Praise be to God who has created the heavens and the earth, and Who made the darkness and the light; yet those who have opposed their Master continue to deviate.
67 And if We had sent down to you a decree on parchment, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have opposed would say ?This is but clear magic!?
611 Say ?Roam the earth, then see what the punishment of the opponents was!?
638 And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to communities like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the decree; then to their Lord they will be gathered.
689 Those to whom We have given the decree, and the authority, and the prophethood, if they oppose it, then We will entrust it to a people who will not oppose it.
Like "Qur'an" the modern idol is treated. Some believe its papers has magical properties yet no one bothers about reading it truthfully
691 And they did not appreciate God as He deserves to be appreciated, for they said ?God has never sent down anything to any human being.? Say ?Who then has sent down the decree which Moses had come with, a light and a guidance for the people? You make it parchment and reveal some of it, and you conceal much; and you were taught what neither you nor your fathers knew.? Say ?God has.? Then leave them playing in their folly.
692 And this is a decree which We have sent down, blessed, authenticating what is between his hands, and that you may warn the capital of the towns and those around it. And those who have faith in the Hereafter believe in it, and they maintain their communion/melding.6121 And do not eat from that which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness. And the devils they inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you are associators (mushriks).
6122 Is he who was dead and to whom We gave life, and We made for him a light to walk with among the people, as he whose example is in darkness and he will not exit from it? It is such that the work of the opponents has been adorned for them.
6123 And as such, We have permitted in every town the influential from its criminals, to scheme in it. They only scheme their own souls without perceiving.736 As for those who oppose Our revelations, and become arrogant towards them; then these are the dwellers of the Fire, in it they will abide?
737 Who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations? These will receive their recompense from the decree; so that when Our messengers come to terminate their lives, they will say ?Where are those whom you used to call on besides God?? They said ?They have abandoned us!? And they bore witness upon themselves that they were opponents.766 The leaders who opposed from among his people said ?We see you in foolishness, and we think you are one of the liars?
776 Those who were arrogant said ?In that which you believe, we oppose!?
777 They thus killed the camel and defied the command of their Lord, and they said ?O Saleh, bring us what you promised us if you are of the messengers!?836 Those who have rejected opposed, they spend their money to turn others away from the path of God. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be defeated. Those who have opposed will be gathered to Hell.
Note If they reject why do they bother about wasting money to turn people away from the path of God.
838 Say to the opponents ?If they cease, then what has passed before will be forgiven to them, and if they return to it, then the example of the previous generations has already been given.?
839 And fight them all until there is no more oppression, and the entire system is for God. But if they cease, then God is Seer over what they do.873 As for those who oppose, they are allies to one another. If you do not do this, then there will be oppression on the earth and great corruption.
910 They do not respect those who have faith, nor a kinship, nor a pledge. These are the transgressors.
911 If they repent, and they hold the communion/melding, and they contribute towards purification, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.
912 And if they break their oaths after making their pledge, and they challenge the authority of your system; then you may kill the leaders of opposition. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.
913 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths, and obsessed to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you have faith.
914 Fight them; perhaps God will punish them by your hands and humiliate them and grant you victory over them and heal the chests of the faithful people.
915 And to remove the anger from their hearts; God pardons whom he pleases. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.954 And what prevented what they would spend from being accepted from them except that they opposed God and His messenger, and they do not attend the communion/melding except lazily, and they do not spend except unwillingly.
Note that they do not reject the story about God entirely but they appear to have faith but are astray and hypocrites.
955 So do not be impressed by their wealth or children; God only wishes to punish them with it in the worldly life, and so that their souls will be taken while they are opponents.
956 And they swear by God that they are with you, while they are not with you; but they are a people who are indecisive.1343 And those who oppose say ?You are not a missionary.? Say ?God is enough as a witness between me and you; the One who has the knowledge of the decree.?
149 Did not news come to you of those before you the people of Noah, and ?Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except God? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said ?We are in opposition to what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to.?
1413 And those who opposed said to their messengers ?We will expel you from our land, or you will return to our creed.? It was then that their Lord inspired to them ?We will destroy the wicked.?
1726 And give the relative his due, and the poor, and the wayfarer; and do not waste excessively.
1727 Those who waste excessively are brothers to the devils, and the devil was to his Lord in opposition.
1789 And We have dispatched to the people in this recitation (Qur'an) from every example, but most of the people refuse to be anything but in opposition!
1790 And they said ?We will not have faith unto you until you cause a spring of water to burst out of the ground?
1791 ?Or that you have an estate of palm trees and grapes, and you cause gushing rivers to burst through it.?
1792 ?Or that you make the heaven fall upon us in pieces as you claimed, or that you bring God and the angels before us.?
1793 ?Or that you have a luxurious home, or that you can ascend into the heavens. And we will not believe in your ascension unless you bring for us a decree that we can read.? Say ?Glory be to my Master. Am I anything other than a human missionary??God bless you
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Probably you're right, brother.
If that's the case, then your understanding and brother mmkhan's understanding seem to complement each other in this regard.
He has some good ideas like that you need to filter away all conjecture in interpreting the recitation.
Okay... Do you already wrote something about it?
No I have not studied it much yet.
God bless you
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Thanks hawk99, but I had no trouble with which people are kufr. The issue is what the word means literally from Arabic to English.
Peace Man of Faith,
I'm pretty sure it means cover in English i.e., hide/deny, obscure etc., in the religious context .
God bless
peace