Ambition and the Quran
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There is no double negative. It is a "wa" after Allah. It includes Allah (God) and those with knowledge. If you have guidance and knowledge and wisdom then the allegorical passages will become clear to you, but for those who no faith will just mutter "what did God mean by this?" And those without faith will not follow the decree.
Anyway that is a dispute over Arabic grammar. It is not the same in every translation. But the translation becomes nonsensical the way you describe it. It means God made similitudes in the narration and then no one understands it. Where is your logic?
"True Believers" are those who have faith (iman) and do good and avoid evil things such as arrogance and oppression. Knowledge you have if you understand something.
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Then it does not relate to benefiting the "society", the "humanity" . . . which is fine, as a "Muslim" or "Reformers", but not the "True Believers".
Altruism (selflessness) benefits society (those living around you). "True Believers" don't fit a certain mold that involves wealth strictly in the financial sense, it can but doesn't only have to. Consider 614 God loves those who fight in His cause as one column; they are like bricks in a wall. As in any structure, it all works together to hold it up, one cause with many different ways to support it. Are we going to argue these are not "True Believers"...only Mr. Altruistic MoneyBucks is? Seriously. -
"True Believers" don't fit a certain mold that involves wealth strictly in the financial sense, it can but doesn't only have to.
True but since this thread is about "ambition", and Allah says "properties" . . .
Therefore True Believers must have "wealth". . .
(3) but strive with <- ie. motivation
(4) their properties <- ie. do you have wealth?
(5) and their lives <- ie. do you have skills?
49.15Those who do not have "wealth" cannot strive with their "properties"
It is better for them to feed themselves and not burdening other people, rather than thinking about something else. . .
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And none will HEED it except those who possess knowledge.
Peace out
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I say strive with themselves and their possessions. You think that only material things are useful matters?
And I told you examples of ambitions that one can undertake without any money at all.
True Believers must have faith and strive in the cause of God in whatever way.
Those who have no properties can contribute with their bodies.
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No. You need to translate the passage correctly.
None will heed (or take it to heart) except those who posses intelligence.
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Your very body is in control or possession of you. You can strive with it, with possessions or not.
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None will heed (or take it to heart) except those who posses intelligence.
I see no merit on your objection . .
First you contest that there are no "double negative", and it is clear. . .
and now you contest on the meaning of "heed" , as it means to "take it to heart"
What difference that is makes ?
It doesn't matter much to me since I can agree with you that it is about to "take it to heart"
but it is related to the "reminder of Allah in verse 3.7", ie. no one knows its interpretation except Allah.
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Your very body is in control or possession of you. You can strive with it, with possessions or not.
So if you want to believe that "body" is a "property" . . it is up to you, it is your opinion.
However, I've never seen people interpreted "body" as "property", including in the Quran or any legal texts etc.
In fact, the verse distinguish between "properties" and "lives" (body).
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No. Those who possess intelligence knows it meaning. They heed (its message) and obey.
Why would God enter allegorical phrases and then let no one understand them whatsoever. Is that not redundant revelation?
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True but since this thread about "ambition", and Allah says "properties" . . .
It depends on people and their circumstances, there are many different circumstances in rl and to brush them all over with a very stringent black and white criteria is for one not realistic and two, takes the verses in a very narrow sense that would contradict other places where we told to do good with what we have in different ways. No one can argue that taking time off to teach illiterate kids is a good act, an altruistic act, it doesn't have to involve money and it would benefit society. if one has the ambition to do good, then there are a million ways of doing so regardless of financial wealth. Properties can be taken as whatever you have in terms of assets. If you don't have financial assets, doesn't necessarily mean you're out of the running. You may have other assets as valuable. God is not unaware of the realities.It is better for them to feed themselves and not burdening other people, rather thanking about something else. . .
Your reasoning here is as bad as that of those who want the poor shipped off to some island and left to fend for themselves since they are a burden on society. It's almost as if we're reading different books here, which we well can be since I see no evidence of such in the quran. It is unrealistic, shortsighted and absurd. -
If you struggle with your life then you primarily struggle with your body. See the separation that it is AND possessions. You can struggle in the cause of God without a single coin.
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No. Those who possess intelligence knows it meaning. They heed (its message) and obey.
Why would God enter allegorical phrases and then let no one understand them whatsoever. Is that not redundant revelation?
No need for me to repeat. . .
if they understand the allegories, then it is inconsistent with the word "no one knows except Allah" (rule of negation, "except". . ie. ONLY Allah knows their meaning
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Thanks God.
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Red It's not always like that.
I think there are still poor people who also give charity.
Even they're poor, they're still willing to share what they have to other. MashaAllah.
Blue No! They're not burden. They're people who need our help. We can improve ourselves by doing goodness for them.
Beside, I think there are poor people who can live independent even though they're poor. They live accepting what they earn and can be grateful without much complaining.
I believe that poverty is not always caused by stupidity and/or laziness.
And hasten to forgiveness from your Lord and Jannat - its width (is like) the heavens and the Earth; it has been prepared for the righteous. Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and who restrain anger, and who pardon the people; and God loves the good doers.
Those who criticize the ones who give willingly among the believers concerning the charities, and they ridicule those who not find except (within limit according to) their effort. God will ridicule them, and they will have a painful retribution.
Peace.
Salaam,
Very well said, mashaAllah bravo
May Allah bless you pr
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Yeah you can repeat your faulty translation/interpretation as many times as you like and fools can heed your words.
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It depends on people and their circumstances, there are many different circumstances
This is the author of this thread wish to find out . . ie.
Specifically, I'm talking about where wealth/status/material things are sought past the point of sustenance.
I know Isa referred to the difficulty of the wealthy in reaching heaven in
Matthew 1923-2623 Then Jesus said to his disciples, ?Truly I tell you, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.? 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astounded and said, ?Then who can be saved?? 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, ?For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible.?
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Anyways, I know that some lessons aren't repeated in the Quran and fall under the "affirming that which came before" clause...but I'd like some wisdom specifically on ambition.
Whether properties and being wealthy and ambitious etc is a barrier for reaching heavens ?
This is the "circumstances" . . the "issue" of this thread.
and it is not. . .it is in fact, the main condition of becoming a True Believer, to benefit the society (the scale Allah addressing to).
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Your reasoning here is as bad as that of those who want the poor shipped off to some island and left to fend for themselves since they are a burden on society. It's almost as if we're reading different books here, which we well can be since I see no evidence of such in the quran. It is unrealistic, shortsighted and absurd.
It is your opinion, but the verse clearly says "properties" , and in context of True Believers, I believe it is the properties that beyond our needs and that can benefit the humanity.