Unity Within Diversity
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I have heard about not trying to fathom God, but not that there is no God.
Yes of course. The command of God.
Me too. . at first, but I start to realize that. . .
One cannot disbelieve in other Gods by creating new God
One cannot disbelieve in other religions by creating new same religionIt is merely repetition, and doesn't match with this verse
For you is your deen, and for me is my deen." (109.6)
The only way to make this verse relevant is to understand out of the box, ie.
I believe in ALL Gods, because I don't believe in God, Allah is Ahad and Samad
I believe in ALL Religions, because I don't believe in Religion.Therefore, there is nothing to argue about God and Religion.
We Muslim only speaks about "unity within diversity" and "unconditional freedom of religion".
Those who are sectarians and against the "unity within diversity" and "unconditional freedom of religion", are the Disbelievers.The Quran, is the Code of Ethic / Law for "unity within diversity" and "unconditional freedom of religion".
I believe this is the message of the Quran. -
I am not sure if I am willing to agree with you, but you are free to believe that if it makes you happy as long as you do not begin to oppress others.
Peace
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It is okay, and I don't expect for people to agree with me because this is a brainwashed session. laugh
The only thing is that there must be justification why Muhammad and the companions killed the Disbelievers and conquered many areas
These are real facts, which people cannot simply ignore , and there must be justification for his actions . . .http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Which I believe , there is no god and no religion in the doctrine of Islam from the Quran.
Islam is much like political movement, to bring unity within diversity and unconditional freedom of religionThe Quran is the Code of Ethic, and Muhammad is not preaching the Quran, or even have time to compile the Quran.
They take their swords, ride their horses and bring justice. . . That's what they did.
They killed the hypocrites in all religions, those who opposes unity within diversity and unconditional freedom of religion.
These people are the Disbelievers in the Quran, the sectarians. . .
including those who schemed and kill Jesus in the name of their religion. -
muslims is playing dumb again.
Maybe you should talk to the admin uq about your position "Allah is not God" and see how dumb he thinks you are. He is an Arab and he uses God for Allah when speaking English.God and gods are not the same. God with capital G is singular.
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So you believe in many Gods, God of Islam, God of Hinduism, God of Christianity, God of . . .God of. . and Allah is the only and one of those God.
The concept of "duality". . .that is your state of mind.
And don't forget to explain this. . . laugh
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605990.msg342084#msg342084
you are merely repeating the argument "I am right", without even answering the issue. . . argument from nagging.
Using fallacy doesn't prove that you are right, it proves nothing.
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It is a matter of language.
If you want to keep on being stubborn, just let it be.
And then you use this word "using fallacy doesn't prove you are right" to prove I am wrong.
Allah is an Arabic word for single God.
It is a fact. I am not making up a fact.
You also prove nothing. You just make your version of Arabic word. Funny.
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I have already presented the facts and issue, it is your turn. . . before I give my rebuttal argument.
However, this cannot be considered as a counterargument. laugh
It is a fact. I am not making up a fact.
It is a fact. I am not making up a fact. It is a fact. I am not making up a fact. It is a fact.
It is a fact. I am not making up a fact. It is a fact. I am not making up a fact. It is a fact.
It is a fact. I am not making up a fact. It is a fact. I am not making up a fact. It is a fact.Therefore, It is a fact. I am not making up a fact.
That is nagging, and I have no case to answer. Try bring me some premises. . . peace
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Because I have already presented my arguments, different arguments a countless times before. I did not resort to "X is true, therefore X is true". Instead, you are and were the one who used the same, same, same and your old arguments to prove I am wrong. You were repetitive. You can refer to my posts on this thingy back and look carefully how you presented your arguments.
You are the one who is nagging here because you are repetitive.
Okay sorry for bringing up this issue again.
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Okay, so you forgot your argument, or maybe you don't bring an argument at all. . but merely repeating "it is a fact"
This is funny, a translation issue.
It must be crazy to pronounce "God" and "god" and sounds differently. laugh
Freemind Translation
Surely your god is God
(209Facts during the revelation..
Gabriel, you say god to Muhammad
Go tell him again, it is God, not god!
But God I...
Gabriel! call me God, not god!Sounds like the trinity issue.. is it one or three gods?
Peace rotfl
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There are many English words that have different meanings when the words are capitalized.
If Quran was sent in Icelandic language, do you think the word Allah would also be used?
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Is that the answer to the following issue ? confused
Comparison within the same language, Arabic and from the Quran itself.. to determine whether Allah is God or Allah.
And your God (is) God *
(2234)<- freemind translated as , ie. same as above
your God (is) Allah **
(209Therefore, the issue is
Whetherie equal to
whereas Allah say..
this Qur'an is a clear Arabic language
(16103)In a clear Arabic language
(26195)an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
(392and
Could it be considered as a deviance or "not in a clear Arabic language" if is equal to ?
further
If Allah is "al Ilah".. please prove by showing where does it mention "al Ilah" in the Quran.
and
If is equal to
then what are God's names?
or
There are no names for God since God names are only meaningful words?
Note
- And for every nation We have appointed religious ceremonies, that they may mention the Name of Allah over the beast of cattle that He has given them for food. And your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God Allah), so you must submit to Him Alone (in Islam). And (O Muhammad SAW) give glad tidings to the Mukhbitin ,
** Your god is only Allah , except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge."
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Last year, I have already presented countless arguments.
You are the one that keeps repeating the same garbage
You said because in the Quran, it says "Allah Ahad, Allah Samad". I have already said because Allah is an Arabic word and Allah is translated into God in English. That's why Quran uses Allah since original Quran is in Arabic.
You said because God-god sounds the same. Because most languages are not unique like Arabic or Hebrew when it comes to differentiating the Creator from pagan gods.
In English, to refer to single deity, the g in god is capitalized.You repeated 2 arguments but use different wordings to prove that you have already presented countless different arguments. Then you hypocritically call me "nagging" to bring me down.
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Okay, I understand, you forgot or don't even make any argument, or don't even understand the issue , or make an interpretation based on other books . . you don't have to repeat that argument.
But whatever it is, your common sense doesn't make sense to me. end. laugh
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Maybe someone can explain why the word ending with "tanween" ? http//s16.postimage.org/7g525pigh/dammahtain1.jpg
What does it mean?
And your God (is) God "One"?? God
(2234)I've checked the quran site and the one with "tanween" translated as "One" God. . . without the "tanween" translated as god.
2.163, 5.73, 6.19, 6.46, 16.22, 16.51, 18.110, 21.29, 21.108, 22.34, 28.71, 28.72, 41.6, 43.84, 52.43, and 4.171
Same issue by mmkhan. . . http//s11.postimage.org/61fz5f1nz/Muhammed.png, ie. praised "One" (which I believe specifically referring to "Muhammad" alone, the praised One, not all Prophets)
the word , means praise and means praised one
Similarly . . . the word means God, and means "One" God
It is about the "attribute" or the "quality" of Allah as "One", not about "God"
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and al-Ikhlas, ending with "tanween"
Say, "He is Allah , "One" (ie. "1" as "attribute", not as number "1"
Therefore, maybe the "tanween" in is stressing on the "attribute" or the "quality" of Allah as "One" . . not Allah as "God".
This is because there are already two capitals "G"s in (2234)
And your God is One God (2.163)
and there is no "tanween" if it is merely as "God", ie. and
What a difference a Tanween Makes
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And your God is One God (2.163)
The God of mankind (114.3)
god (39.6)
god (38.65)
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Like I said I have already made arguments last year. That means on other threads. I didn't forget. You are the one who has forgotten here because you didn't remember what I said. Too much belacan eh? That stupid food.
Your common sense also doesn't make any sense to me.
Tanween? It is an invention / innovation to the Quran. It is only useful to learn how to pronounce Arabic.
Earlier Quran copies do not have tashkeels. -
Ilah is god with small g.
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your God (is) Allah **
(209your God (as subject) (is) Allah (as predicate) ?
It is impossible for the subject = predicate, can this happen ?
and there are specific terms for capital "God" (hu), ie.
there is no "tanween" if it is merely as "God", ie. and
and
Are both equal to "God"?
Two "subject", and no "predicate" ? (since it is not about attributes or qualities of Allah, ie. tanween)
I don't know, zero knowledge in arabic . . maybe the expert here can explain. end.
this Qur'an is a clear Arabic language
(16103)In a clear Arabic language
(26195)an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
(392 -
Like I said, English is not unique like Arabic./ Hebrew when differentiating single deity / The God and polytheistic deity / god of many gods.
It's up to you what you want to believe.
Get back to the topic Unity in Diversity.To create unity within diversity, one must not be fascist by forcing others to believe the same.