Zina is zina only if done in open
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Peace,
I still think it would be hard to judge in a case of adultery. But I am not more knowing now and I will research on this topic when I have a time to study the Arabic myself.
God bless you
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Dear all,
Quran mentions many old stories,history etc.and then tells us that what is right and what is evil.But Quran does not tell us all the stories and history,most of these stories were well known at the time of Great Revelations,so if you study Arab history of JAHILYA period and history of middle east , where most Prophets were posted,you will find, that when a man finds a woman,usually his wife or dependent,guilty of some serious crime,he will drag her to an open place,and do the zina in open ,telling bystanders,that she did such and such violations,so she is now being punished by me.Allah in quran wanted to stop this henious crime,that is why He came up with 4 witnesses,to stop it.Doing zina this way was not a common practice,but was done only by influentials.One of the Prophets wives,Ayesha,was blamed by some notorious people,of having received this punishment,Quran mentions 17 ayays about this incident and said,if so then why dont you bring around 4 witnesses,if you are correct?
This is all about to stop the ignorant periods practices,which are against Islamic ethics.May Allah help us all to increase our knowledge,try do it now.As said in 37 Raskhoon fil elm,get firm knowledge of all things.thanks. -
Salam bro
My qualified guess without having come to the verses in question is that they talk about treason.
zina, for me is defaming someone. Making false accusations. i wrote all what i have to say in this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605270.0And I would like a copy of your translation of the "ants" of Solomon because I deem yours to be how it is supposed to be understood by the Author.
confused I didn't understand what you want. I haven't a copy. I wrote only this http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604930.msg319427
in arabic, ant is naml and there is a meaning in dictionnaries also of lies and bad hearsays (namima).
Peace
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Salam bro
zina, for me is defaming someone. Making false accusations. i wrote all what i have to say in this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605270.0
confused I didn't understand what you want. I haven't a copy. I wrote only this http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604930.msg319427in arabic, ant is naml and there is a meaning in dictionnaries also of lies and bad hearsays (namima).
Peace
I will read the ayas to see how zina = slander fits. At face value does not seem to me unconceivable, because if one thing is clear it is that the rage in that first part if sura nur is clearly directed to the slanderers, particularly the slanderers of women. I intend to look into it for sure. As I said, even with zina=adultery, it clear that the Qur'an is not after adulterers but after slanderers.
Salaam
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Peace,
No worries, noshirk. I just thought if you had recorded your works in pdf or word file. It's okay. I will take a look in that thread. I find that you have the best translation available of what I have seen.
God bless you
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I understand why when husband/wife has intimacy with other person who is not his/her spouse, that act should be condemned severely.
But what about unmarried love couples doing it? To those who hold the view that Qur'an commands to flog people who have sex outside of marriage even if the people are just unmarried love couples 100 times, can you answer this?
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Peace,
The context is about (1) illicit sex (unacceptable by prevailing social standards considered wrong or unacceptable
by prevailing social customs or religious standards) and (2) a burden of proof that requires four "trustworthy" witnesses
which makes the illicit behavior so obvious that "everyone" knows and if not obvious, there is to be the avoidance
of suspicious (3) , slander.But what about unmarried love couples doing it? To those who hold the view that Qur'an commands to flog people who have sex outside of marriage even if the people are just unmarried love couples 100 times, can you answer this?
This depends on the parameters of accepted behavior by any given society be it religious or non religious.
For instance, in many non religious or social environments, sex between friends is acceptable. In a Southern Baptist
environment it is not.God bless
peace
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But what about unmarried love couples doing it?
Whats difference is between married people who commit adultery and unmarried ones? -Same s***. According to your question, adultery is only when married people have sexual intercourse. Do you wanna say that unmarried people can have sex with hundreds of people but when they got married its suddenly forbidden? I dont think so.
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Whats difference is between married people who commit adultery and unmarried ones? -Same s***. According to your question, adultery is only when married people have sexual intercourse. Do you wanna say that unmarried people can have sex with hundreds of people but when they got married its suddenly forbidden? I dont think so.
I did not say having sex with hundreds of people. I said LOVE COUPLES, not one-night stands. Love couples mean partners who have committed relationship to each other, the difference is they are just not paperly married.
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I did not say having sex with hundreds of people. I said LOVE COUPLES, not one-night stands. Love couples mean partners who have committed relationship to each other, the difference is they are just not paperly married.
I am not saying I support it. But even these people must be flogged too?If two people truly like each other and planing to be together until death seperates them than I have nothing against it, but this is only my opinion and does not mean it is written in the Quran. I also think that you should define "LOVE COUPLES"? -Which type of love you think of and how do you define love? -Love is a word that can have many meanings, love because of money, power, physical attraction or these things combined.