I am God
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Peace,
I am shaking my head as I reply to this. To answer your question is in turn another directive - prove that you were never born and that you will never die, against God's claim of there being no other god besides God, never begotten nor begets. There are other directives but this one suffices.
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I am shaking my head as I reply to this. To answer your question is in turn another directive - prove that you were never born and that you will never die, against God's claim of there being no other god besides God, never begotten nor begets. There are other directives but this one suffices.
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Peace.
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I am shaking my head as I reply to this. To answer your question is in turn another directive - prove that you were never born and that you will never die, against God's claim of there being no other god besides God, never begotten nor begets. There are other directives but this one suffices.
The idea of "God" was never existed at all. . it is human terms and the Quran speaks in human terms for human understanding.
God's claim of there being no other god besides God
Since Allah is "1", it means , no "0" besides "0"
How can that make sense to you?
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On the other hand , "I am God", and Allah says "No God"
Therefore, there is no "I". . because "No God" is referring to "I am God"
and also. . ."You are God", "They are God". . . etc.many, but it is all "1"
Because what is 10 ?
10 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1What is 20?
20 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1It is all "1", there is no "2" or "3". . it is all "1"
and if "I am God" (1) is not equal to "No God" (0)
then 1 (I am God) + 1 (Allah) is equal to no reality
We are blind by our own spotlights. . .For reality and strength etc to exists. . there must be 0 (No God) + 1 (Allah), ie. the "I" must not exists, "No God"
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First of all, you don't make sense at all. Are you saying that we all are God? (Astagfirullah)
And secondly, why do you keep repeating this nonsense every once in a while?
You can see that no one here believes in you. You are trying to imply that we are confused about Allah, The Creator of everything that exists, and we all (Quran-aloners; Sunnis, Shias, Christians, Jews etc.) are misunderstood about what Allah is, and it is only you who knows what Allah is, and we don't.
In another thread, you couldn't even answer me simple question straightly when I asked you if the word Allah is Arabic or not.
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The premise is here, try make sense from this premises rather than resorting to fallacies all the time. . .
Try disapprove these two premises . . .
No god (0)
only Allah (1)Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. 33.4
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In another thread, you couldn't even answer me simple question straightly when I asked you if the word Allah is Arabic or not.
Go ahead, answer the issue. . . rather than complaining all the time.
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This might explain something and maybe people misunderstood or diverted the true meanings of this statement , ie. "No God" . . .that's is quite normal things to happen.
"I am God" is deaf, dumb and blind.
"No God" is servant, it is wisdom.
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Peace,
There is no other 'divinity' than Allah, is what both the Arabic original discourse and English translations imply. It means that Allah is the only force in the galaxies that can be considered a god. Of course it is not a neanderthal god that needs to be pleased with ritualistic worship but the mightiest and most advanced entity that could ever exist. I thought even the distorted English translations make that rather clear.
You are not God and it was for a thought such as yours that I was warned about 8 years ago and I learned that if I possess any power it is sanctioned by God.
I am worried that you have self-invoked a curse upon yourself which leads to further confusion after already being confused. Please see through yourself and find the "rope of God" and reform and have faith like those who have faith and be good.
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There is no other 'divinity' than Allah, is what both the Arabic original discourse and English translations imply. It means that Allah is the only force in the galaxies that can be considered a god.
Yes, such understanding is what makes sense, simple and suitable to be understood in mind, thus my mind stay sane.
the mightiest and most advanced entity that could ever exist.
Indeed.
Peace.
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There is alot of misunderstanding, language confusion and communication problems regarding this topic.
Unless I'm mistaken, the core of what 'muslims' is saying is that
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All that exists is Allah. Only Allah is Allah, but Creation is part of Allah, but infinitely lesser, yet still part. But being part of Allah is not the same as being Allah. So when 'muslims' says that we are Allah it doesn't mean that the mere sum of all of us are what is called Allah, or that all Creation together makes up the full Allah.
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We are part of creation, but we are not a separate thing from Allah. Think of it like there isn't a space where there is 1) Allah and outside/beside Allah, in this "space" is 2) creation. What 'muslims' is trying to convey is that Allah is not a separate entity. He is rejecting this fragmentation. What he calls God, by definition, and which he rejects the existence of, is precisely the notion of a separate divine entity existing apart from Creation.
I'm ready to be corrected if I have misunderstood.
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There is alot of misunderstanding, language confusion and communication problems regarding this topic.
Peace brother Zulf.
I still don't really know what is exactly member 'muslims' believe in.
Back then, he ever posted this reply to me.
Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.
I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!
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There is alot of misunderstanding, language confusion and communication problems regarding this topic.
Unless I'm mistaken, the core of what 'muslims' is saying is that
- All that exists is Allah. Only Allah is Allah,
Thank you Zulf and the core of what I'm saying is the premises in the shahada.
The idea or concept of God is for human understanding
human created this "word"
human created this "idea" and "concept" etc
and Allah explains according to human understanding, but reserve its true meaning in Chapter 112.and the Shahada infers that Allah is not God because the first premise is "No God"
If Allah is "God", then it will nullify its own premise of "No God". . .
I believe the Shahada cannot be used to define Allah.
It can only be used to define ourselves, and finding our path to Allah.There are two ways we can find our path to Allah.
- Death (No God/Self . .therefore self is God)
| | Before Life | | Present Life | | Afterlife
| | This is reality | | This is not reality | | This is reality
| | No God/Self (0) | | God/Self (1) | | No God/Self (0)
| | Allah (1) | | Allah (1) | | Allah (1)
| | Allah really exists to us | | Allah do not exists to us | | Allah really exists to us
- Live, but with full understanding of "No God/Self".
ie. Self is "0"
and not Self is "1" (I am God)
Allah not really exists to us because "God/Self" (1) + Allah (1)
but Creation is part of Allah, but infinitely lesser, yet still part. But being part of Allah is not the same as being Allah. So when 'muslims' says that we are Allah it doesn't mean that the mere sum of all of us are what is called Allah, or that all Creation together makes up the full Allah.
- We are part of creation, but we are not a separate thing from Allah. Think of it like there isn't a space where there is 1) Allah and outside/beside Allah, in this "space" is 2) creation. What 'muslims' is trying to convey is that Allah is not a separate entity. He is rejecting this fragmentation. What he calls God, by definition, and which he rejects the existence of, is precisely the notion of a separate divine entity existing apart from Creation.
Allah is Ahad . . . Oneness and cannot be broken down into parts or fragments, and there is no inside or outside Allah.
He begets not . . . No other form of existence has ever originated from Him, thus, there is no other.
Nor was he begotten . . . There is no other god or form of existence from which He could have originated. -
Peace,
It nullifies nothing. There is no other divine-like energy/determining factor besides what is referred to as "Allah". It is a stand-alone force completely independent from anything else. There is nothing nullifying or fallible with that statement.
You do not possess god-like powers do you? Can you create things?
Perhaps you do not have faith and are an atheist so what do you really have faith in? You think what is called Quran is written by people like you alone without any influence from any god?
Edit Or are you hung up on that term "god"? If so you are free to use another word like The Master. Of course it is not a manlike entity but an energy of some kind present all over universe.
Edit2 I have an easier clarification. God is a position of power so the word "god" is used as a title. This is why you say there is no other god than The God because there is only one with the title God.
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Peace,
The idea of "God" was never existed at all. . it is human terms and the Quran speaks in human terms for human understanding.
Since Allah is "1", it means , no "0" besides "0"
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"Allah" does not translate in any language (including mathematics) to "1". The only thing it translates to is "The God" and hence this is a descriptive phrase, NOT a name or number.
Other verses describe this God as being singular and not plural/many, such as "Allah hu ahad." translates to "The God is one".
The question is, how does your own premise make any sense to you?
On the other hand , "I am God", and Allah says "No God"
Therefore, there is no "I". . because "No God" is referring to "I am God"
and also. . ."You are God", "They are God". . . etc.many, but it is all "1"
Because what is 10 ?
10 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1What is 20?
20 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1It is all "1", there is no "2" or "3". . it is all "1"
and if "I am God" (1) is not equal to "No God" (0)
then 1 (I am God) + 1 (Allah) is equal to no reality
We are blind by our own spotlights. . .For reality and strength etc to exists. . there must be 0 (No God) + 1 (Allah), ie. the "I" must not exists, "No God"
I would like to remind you that where (the Quran) you get "No god but God", you have ignored 90% of the rest of it. Your assertion of there being no concept of "duality" at all is also flawed. Your assertion that there is no "I" is also flawed.
You are apparently confused as to who we are. Let me tell you then, we are "Khalaq" i.e. "Created". And we were created in "Pairs" (duality concept) - the male and the female. God is not "Created" and is neither male nor female (Even if we incorrectly translate from the Quran and refer to God as He/Him/His)., God is the "Creator". The exclusive singularity only applies to the Creator. Therefore the Creator is a separate entity. We are from this Creator, but not part of It. More over, "we" are addressed in the Quran as "in-saan" i.e. human and definitely NOT god as you are trying to prove.
My friend you are deeply confused and in error. My suggestion would be to not pluck Quranic verses in isolation, as you have done with verse 334 in one of your posts, because then you lose context and it's not only the meaning that changes, any skewed interpretation can be applied to it, as you have done in this topic.
Quran 334 is about the prophet Muhammad's relationships with others and not an analogy to "no god but God". Don't take my word for it, read from 331 to 334 yourself. Someone please correct me if I have made a mistake here*.
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Guys, I have "debated" a lot with him on this issue so I understand what he means.
He can't accept that Allah is translated into God in English. -
He is accepting that 'Al-lah' is often translated into 'God'; he is just saying that it has been translated (and thought of) incorrectly. And I agree. I also believe that 'Al-lah' in arabic does not translate properly into 'God', I just end up using 'God' so people know what I am talking about. However I wouldn't say it translates from 'Al-lah' to the numeral '1' either, but rather 'the One'.
As '1' and 'the One' as in 'your real/true self' are obviously different concepts in english and I suspect, in other languages too. 'God' and 'the One' are the same concept to me, but most people think of 'God' as if He were 'a god' i.e. a big spirit in the sky which controls their life and whom they have to please all of the time whilst feeling themselves separate from this all-powerful being. Is understandable as this is the way we grow up - as helpless beings under the control of our all-powerful parents who we realise are separate from us. It's easy to continue this with the idea of God existing as separate from us...
Muslims is right when he says this is an error, it is another form of idolatry to believe in the existence of this sky persona known as 'God' when it doesn't exist there is only yourself as 'the One'. That is, your TRUE self not your ego which also doesn't exist. Who wonders about the existence of themselves except someone who has gone mad or is heart-broken? For a sane, well person it would be ridiculous - of course they exist, no question. If someone were to say 'I am a god' or saying 'I am god' as an instruction to other humans then that is them making their ego God/'the One' which is yes - all gross blasphemy. But saying to yourself 'I am God' cannot be wrong. This is where I was going with my thread 'we are God' i.e. that everyone is to think of themselves as 'the One' and to stop looking for it outside of themselves. The greatest test in life is whether you are going to stay true to yourself or not, I think.
Jesus said in the Gospel that the kingdom of God is inside of you . One of my favourite psalms which I displayed in the pictures below is 4610 'Be still and know that I am God' i.e. be still and be present with yourself. It says in the Quran that God/'the One' blew into us with His spirit. He also says that we can never fully know Him. Of course. Who ever really knows themself? No-one. Most of our 'mind' is our sub-conscious. Hence my tagline 'to know yourself is to know God' Is a fallacy. Like a riddle - as of course it can never happen in our lifetime. But that is the direction to go in I think inwards.
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Peace.