why no expiation for not doing salat or zakat?
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peace all,
To my knowledge this simple question has not been discussed before on this forum.
In The Quran, we have expiation for not fulfilling al hajj , and if unable to do sawm , but nothing for salat or zakat - why?
In fact, one could even argue, even if one is ill, upholding the salat is still expected - why?
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Salam,
I see salat/zakat as purifying and 'aligning' practices that we must do regularly for health - spiritual as well as physical. To not do them may actually lead to illness - mental as well as physical. Maybe doing them protects us from this and allows blessings to come our way. Missing out on the benefits of them because you are not doing them may be its own expiation...
As for doing salat when ill - is difficult if you think it always involves physical movement, yes. I do not, personally. At minimum I think it is a praising of the God at dawn and sunset - which can be done whilst lying down, with eyes closed, if movement is difficult.
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Peace,
It could be because of what salat means, that the only side-effect is that you are lonely and with Satan? And then I mean lonely lonely as no righteous friends either.
It seems weird with expiation for refraining from keeping unity and bonding between God and allies. It is either do it or do not, and God is quite upset if you disunite and divide into sects.
And zakat is as we have discussed just simply doing things for the betterment of the assembly and also the stranger and those who want to listen to the word of God. If failed to do so it is just to repent and get back to the activity.
Edit I think there is talk about breaking promises which could be used as an expiation in that case. It is something for the person who wishes to repent and do something to really show that he/she repents.
God bless you
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Quite possibly, but what are the different natures?
That, my friend, is the right question!
But I believe that the more accurate and correct understanding we get of these concepts, the more obvious the answer will be, quite naturally. One things about their natures that differ among them could be that hajj and saum are very specific in time and action, while salat and zakat are very open and broad concepts, unlimited in terms of action and time. Like, "painting the garage door" is very specific in action and time, while "being inquisitive" is very open and unlimited. Just a possibility... http//www.pic4ever.com/images/306.gif
Peace
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Peace,
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We know that Hajj is an obligation once in a lifetime.
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Ramadan is once a year.
We are given an "out" of these two obligations and can still maintain our deen/status, on the other hand without
salat and zakat there is no deen. Therefore there is no expiation for worship and purification of the soul.- (obligations may be the wrong word)
All have a blessed Ramadan
peace
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Peace All.
The religious duties instituted by God are in fact a great gift from Him.
They constitute the nourishment required for the growth and development of our Souls. Without such nourishment, we cannot survive the immense energy associated with God's physical presence on the Day of Judgment.
Belief in God does not by itself guarantee our redemption; we must also nourish our souls (6158, 1090-92).
Additionally, 1599 states that observing the religious duties instituted by God is our means of attaining certainty.And serve/ worship your Lord, in order to attain certainty.
The two most important duties according to Qoran are "Salat" and " Zakat" because we need to remember GOD 24/7 not just once a year or once a lifetime?
Also you can do "Salat" and "zakat" regardless of your physical/health status.
For example ,if one is not able , God clearyl says "He does not burden a soul except what it can bear"! If only your mind is functioning and the body cannot, remember GOD in your mind. If both do not function, GOD is aware and HE is Forgiver most Merciful.
GOD bless you all.
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Like, "painting the garage door" is very specific in action and time, while "being inquisitive" is very open and unlimited. Just a possibility...
We are given an "out" of these two obligations and can still maintain our deen/status, on the other hand without
salat and zakat there is no deen.I have been thinking along similar lines.
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peace gl,
I am not convinced 1599 says what you take it to mean, but in any case, what is your evidence for the part I have highlighted in bold
The two most important duties according to Qoran are "Salat" and " Zakat" because we need to remember GOD 24/7 not just once a year or once a lifetime?
Also, I was under the impression you took salat to mean a prayer 5 times daily, thus I don't see how you are relating this to "remember God 24/7". Please clarify.
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Peace Wakas.
In most of the verses where salat is mentioned zakat is also mentioned. They are the most repeated commands.
I take salat to mean different things in different verses?
Also Salat and remembering GOD go together
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"I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall serve/worship Me alone, and observe Salat to remember Me.GOD bless you.
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Peace,
I suppose a few care what I say, but my interpretation is slightly different and I consider dhikr to mean something like regard or heed and not remember. Some situations with "remember" it becomes quite ridiculous in my opinion.
2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and keep the unity for My sake.?
Green Best translation of paying heed or regards to something in the context. Perhaps "for My regard" could be a viable option too.
Unity is my interpretation of salat. In my world it is about keeping intact the community instead of breaking into sects. And I consider it not to have anything to do with prayer at all except that it may refer to a gathering in unity for God. It can be used in verb form and then it means to "recruit" someone to the assembly of God like preach to them as a cleric (or equivalent/similar) in a temple or market place or wherever, and even when meeting hostile people. This is likely why there is a reference to assalat al-isha and al-fajr.
Red I know this term is painted black completely, but it is how things are. Zachariah did something similar when receiving the news of his upcoming son. There can be good clerics too.
God bless you
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peace gl,
In most of the verses where salat is mentioned zakat is also mentioned. They are the most repeated commands.
Thanks for clarifying. I have not studied what command occurs most frequently, or what is given most importance. Such a study may be interesting.
I agree that salat and remembering God are linked, but not equivalent. I wrote the following here
An important point to note is that SBH does not seem to be restricted to certain times only, unlike the regular/timed salat/bond of the mumineen/believers (see 4103). Like SBH, the word "thikr" is mentioned at specific times but it is also mentioned in general, see 3191, 3335, 3341, 6210. Note how 6210 specifically says "remeber/thikr God frequently" AFTER the salat/bond is completed, even though 2014 says "uphold the salat/bond for My remembrance/thikr" - clearly showing remembrance of God can occur anytime.
In other words, whilst a timed-salat could be termed a SBH/glorification (or a thikr/remembrance), not all SBH/thikr is a timed-salat. -
Salamun Alaikum.
For me the understanding is as follows - aquimus-salaat refers to establishment of respect and loyalty for the Master of the universe in our life. This can only be achieved by being grateful to our creator, through a committment of embracing whatever we understand as good and rejecting whatever we understand as evil. There is no expiation for this. If one has not establish respect for Allah in his life - he has lost the deen. His only way back is through sincere repentence. The ritual salaat (musallat) is the ritual we perform as a formal expression of our respect and loyalty for Allah. On this ritual aspect Allah is flexible - if we are under stress we should remember Allah in whatever mode we are in, then when we are secured we should remember Allah in the prescribed method (Ref 2238-239). We can strictly guard on salaat (223 even being flexible on the ritual aspect (2239). On the other hand failing to establish respect for Allah through our action while being mechanically particular about the ritual of salaat is only a mockery of the salaat directive (Ref 1071-7).
On a similar note, a'tuz-zakaat refers to paying from our wealth to purify it from illegitimate income sources as well as claims of others. On our wealth there can be claim from a lot of groups - our vendors, creditors, our employees, our Govt. (tax) and even various groups or forums where we subscibe (e.g. appartment owner's association). To pay zakaat is to satisfy all such claims fairly and equitably, and then after all direct claims have been met or provided for - then comes the indirect claim of the poors who also have a right (huq) to be benefitted from our excess wealth as the final step in attaining financial purity. For this group we should subscribe a fixed share from our excess wealth. Donating 2.5% of current assets to the poor keeping direct claiments purposefully unsatisfied (e.g. loan defaulter, employee salary defaulter, utility bill defaulter, tax evader etc.), or without surrendurring to the rightful owner any stolen or unfairly gained excess - would be only mockery of the zakaat directive. A committment to attain purity in ones wealth through lawful earning and repayment of all direct and indirect claims is also a fundamental part of our deen and hence any departure from it can only be mitigated through reprentence and remediation (late payment). However on the indirect claims, the question of expiation / late payment does not apply, if one feels he hasn't done enough for the poor - the door of charity is always open.
May Allah guide us to the staright route.
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Peace Armanaziz
Have you thoroughly understood what ZAKAT means in the Quran?
You have painted Zakat with the colours of HADITH. Quran does not substantiate your understanding. Yes, what you have written is exactly same what the Quran has described of SADAQAH. Not a single verse in the Quran says that give Zakat to so and so. The only thing to be given, distributed TO THE POOR / SOCIETY from income, wealth / property and harvest is SADAQAH. The month of Ramadhan, the 2.5% is all fabricated by men for charity purpose.
Indeed the alms are only for the poor and the needy and THOSE WHO WORK FOR IT (or those who collect it) and those whose hearts are to be conciliated and those in bondage and Debtors and for expenditure in the way of Allah and for the wayfarer an ORDINANCE from Allah and Allah is Knowing, Wise 960
Where is such ORDINANCE in respect of ZAKAT? Did Allah forget?
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Peace hafez kazi,
Ask him to consider the word zakat and its root's base meaning. It cannot be too different from that and it is used for purify throughout the narration then suddenly get a near-"magical" meaning together with salat.
God bless you
God bless you
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Peace Armanaziz
Have you thoroughly understood what ZAKAT means in the Quran?
You have painted Zakat with the colours of HADITH. Quran does not substantiate your understanding. Yes, what you have written is exactly same what the Quran has described of SADAQAH. Not a single verse in the Quran says that give Zakat to so and so. The only thing to be given, distributed TO THE POOR / SOCIETY from income, wealth / property and harvest is SADAQAH. The month of Ramadhan, the 2.5% is all fabricated by men for charity purpose.
Indeed the alms are only for the poor and the needy and THOSE WHO WORK FOR IT (or those who collect it) and those whose hearts are to be conciliated and those in bondage and Debtors and for expenditure in the way of Allah and for the wayfarer an ORDINANCE from Allah and Allah is Knowing, Wise 960
Where is such ORDINANCE in respect of ZAKAT? Did Allah forget?
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Dear Brother Hafeez.
Salamun alaikum. Thanks for your post.
I believe there has been some sort of misunderstanding. Did I say zakaat means giving 2.5% alms to poor? If my earlier post sounds like that - my appologies, it was failure to communicate on my part. About the 2.5% charitable donation my standing is - this is a community determined rate of sadaqah which some people accept as the right of poor on the wealth of the wealthy. this cannot be a "cast in stone" rate because sadaqah can be given by any amount.
My understanding of zakaat comes exclusively from the literal meaning of the root verb (to purify, increase or bless) and the oft repeated phrase of al Qur'an "aa-quimus salaat, was a-tuz-zakaat" which I would literally translate as "establish respect and loyalty and pay the purifier". What I understand from this term is we have been commanded to - establish respect and loyalty of Allah in our everyday life by embracing the good and rejecting the evil and then continuously strive to attain purification in our livelihood. - That's it - that's my understanding of salaat and zakaat, all else that I am saying is my personal thoughts on how we can achieve these goals. I believe to attain purity of our livelihood (i.e. to comply with our zakaat directive) our first and foremost duty is to ensure our source of income is pure and free from any filth (stealing, bribing, cheating etc.). Then we need to ensure we have fairly and adequately mitigated claims of all direct claimants - like the creditors, vendors, Govt. and so on. The last and final step to attain purity is to ensure we mitigated claims of the indirect claimants - the poor. To achieve this final step setting aside a fixed amount from our excess wealth is a good practice. A good practice is a good practice - I do not care whether that practice originated from the Bible, the Hadis or from Mahatma Gandhi. At personal level, I have set a minimum sadaqah target different from the traditional 2.5% rate.
As far as Qur'anic reference goes, my detailed understanding of how we can achieve zakaat is deeply rooted in verse 23, "... those who believe in the unobservable, and establish sataat, and from what We provided them, they spend...". I do believe this underlined phrase has been later abbreviated in the term "a'tuz-zakaat". Now, for me the term from what We provided them, they spend has at least 2 meanings, both of which we need to comply
- We should spend ONLY from what Allah provides us (i.e. lawful income)
- From what we have been provided we SHOULD spend (for all direct and indirect claimants).
This is my interpretation of zakaat and based on my very limited understanding of Qur'an this is the best interpretation for me. If you have a different view you are 100% entitled to follow your own view. You can also share your view. If I feel your view is better than mine I'll accept it In Sha Allah. But if you find me silent you can assume I have not been convinced. I have no intention to turn this into an argument.
May Allah guide us to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Peace brother Armanaziz
Thank you for clarifying your views on Zakat. My belief is that unnecessary argument leads to evil which should be avoided. we should communicate in the best possible manner as good human beings without offending or making mockery of each other.
On a similar note, a'tuz-zakaat refers to paying from our wealth to purify it from illegitimate income sources as well as claims of others.
I am not arguing but quoting what you have written in your earlier post
You believe that atuz zakat is paying from our wealth. It is 100% wrong
Take thou alms out of their wealth; purifying them and cause them increase by it; and communicate to them. Verily thy communication is repose for them; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. 9103
Prophet was commanded to take SADAQAH from the wealth and purify them and according to you atuz zakt is paying from our wealth. Why Allah is totally silent on Zakat but gave all details of SADAQAH? This is the point from where you should start your research
If you consider Zakat as a monetary term then I would advice you to reconsider your interpretation.
If Zakat is not charity meant for the poor then what it is?
And we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in RIGHTEOUSNESS and nearer to mercy 1881
And compassion FROM US, and RIGHTEOUSNESS; and he was devout 1913
The alternate meaning of ZAKAT is RIGHTEOUSNESS and it is a blessing from Allah similar to good health and wealth
According to your understanding only people who are rich or those who can afford should give Zakat and those who are poor receive Zakat. Now, who actually are the givers of zakat.
The believing men and believing WOMEN are allies of one another. THEY (believing men and believing WOMEN) enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and GIVE ZAKAT and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those - Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. 971
ALL believers (MEN, WOMEN, POOR and RICH) GIVE ZAKAT, but today ONLY MEN, AND NOT WOMEN, who have resources GIVES ZAKAT? Allah's mercy is on those WHO GIVE ZAKAT THEN WHAT ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT GIVE ZAKAT AND WHO SURVIVE ON CHARITY BUT ARE THE BEST BELIEVERS, IS THERE NO MERCY OF ALLAH ON THEM?
What Allah said "those believing men and women" and this include all men and women irrespective of rich or poor. Do only Rich enjoin what is wrong? Do only rich establish prayer? Do only rich obey Allah and His messenger? If it is not, then zakat should also be paid by all believers, why only rich people?
Alif; Lam. Mim. These are verses of the Wise Book. A guidance and a mercy for the (AL MUHSINEN) well doers WHO establish the prayer and give ZAKAT and of the Hereafter are convinced. Those are on guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. 311/2/3/4/5
A MUHSINEN can be rich or poor and Muhsinen establishes prayer and gives zakat. Quran is a guidance for the MUHSINEN who establish the Prayer and gives Zakat therefore it is not a guidance and mercy to those believers who do not give zakat (poor people). Poor believers who do not give zakat are not successful, WHY?
Ta. Sin. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a Book luminous. A guidance and glad tidings unto (AL MUMINEN) the believers WHO establish the prayer and give Zakat, and of the Hereafter they are convinced. 271/2/3
All believers and Muhsinen establish prayer and give zakat. Believers are male/female and rich/poor and they establish salat then why there is a relax for the poor for Zakat?
If you give alms openly, it is well, and if you hide it and give it to the poor, it is better for you; and this will do away with some of your evil deeds; and Allah is aware of what you do 2271
The emphasis is always on the SADAQAH and ZERO on ZAKAT
And they are those who are EXECUTORS / PERFORMERS of the RIGHTEOUS CONDUCT 234
Are there any doers of ZAKAT?
Your helpers/protectors are only God and His Messenger and the BELIEVERS WHO ESTABLISH the prayer and EXECUTE RIGHTEOUS (CONDUCT) and THEY (are those) who are HUMBLE 555
The poor people who survive on alms and cannot give ZAKAT are excluded from the list of PROTECTORS? Do you believe this nonsense?
And establish the Prayer and EXECUTE RIGHTEOUS (CONDUCT) and be HUMBLE with those who are HUMBLE 243
Is the above verse addressed ONLY to the RICH children of Israel? (read from verse 40)
And when We took the COVENANT from the Children of Israel, , "Do not worship except Allah; and to parents do good and to relatives, orphans, and the needy. And speak to people good and establish prayer and give ZAKAH." Then you turned away, except a few of you, and you were refusing 283
Allah did aforetime take a COVENANT from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said "I am with you if ye (but) establish regular prayers, GIVE ZAKAT, believe in my messengers, honour and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude." 512
Were all JEWS wealthy so that they can give ZAKAT? What about the poor JEWS who could not give ZAKAT? How Allah took a COVENANT from the POOR JEWS to give ZAKAT without providing the means for the ZAKAT? Why the JEWS and the CHRISTIANS do not have ZAKAT whereas they have SADAQAH (charity)?
Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but righteousness is one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and GIVES WEALTH, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask , and for freeing slaves; establishes prayer and GIVES ZAKAH fulfill their promise when they promise; and are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous 2177
Do you believe that a man, after giving away his wealth, to the POOR, ORPHANS, NEEDY, TRAVELLERS, RELATIVES, will still GIVE ZAKAT? Whatever wealth he had, he distributed it to the needy, then, from which source he will give ZAKAT? After giving away his wealth he again gives ZAKAT? Think about it.
Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds and establish prayer and give zakah will have their reward with their Lord, and there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve 2277
But those, firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to you, , and what was revealed before you. And the establishers of prayer and the GIVERS OF ZAKAT and the believers in Allah and the Last Day - those We will give a great reward. 4162
Poor people who survive on alms but are believers in Allah and the Last Day and pray five times are excluded from the list of those who will receive great rewards because they did not GIVE ZAKAT. Believe in the nonsense that ZAKAT is charity paid in the month of RAMADHAN @ 2.5% of your savings above 84 grams of gold and stand in que behind the Hadith writers on the Judgment Day.
And ordain for us that which is good, in this life and in the Hereafter for we have turned unto Thee." He said "With My punishment I visit whom I will; but My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and GIVES ZAKAT, and those who believe in Our signs 7156
Poor BELIEVERS should not expect MERCY of Allah because they never GIVE ZAKAT? AND MERCY IS NOT ORDAINED FOR THEM
Say, O , "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah Who GIVE NOT ZAKAH and they! in the Hereafter, they are disbelievers 416/7
The MUSHRIKINS are those who DO NOT GIVE ZAKAH irrespective of MEN, WOMEN, RICH or POOR. Did Allah command any KAAFIR to PRAY, to GIVE SADAQAH, to PERFORM HAJJ, to fight in HIS way etc. if HE did not command then how do you expect Allah to command the DISBELIEVERS to GIVE ZAKAH? Why should the DISBELIEVRERS uphold the ZAKAH command of Allah while rejecting all other commands of Allah? The DISBELIEVERS had no HADITH, then how they calculated the ZAKAH, when they paid the ZAKAH, to whom they paid the ZAKAH? Do you still believe that ZAKAH is charity and paid to the poor in the month of RAMADHAN @ 2.5%.
It was their bad conduct and not charity. Read the following verse
And they say, "Our hearts are within coverings from that to which (QURAN) you invite us, and in our ears is deafness, and between us and you is a partition, so work; indeed, we are working 415
And if you ask them, they will surely say, "We were only conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?" 965
And verily messengers (of Allah) were mocked before thee, but long I bore with those who disbelieved. At length I seized them, and how (awful) was My punishment 1332
And never came there unto them a messenger but they did mock him. 1511
Ah, the anguish for the bondmen! Never came there unto them a messenger but they did mock him 3630
But you wonder, while they mock, 3712
MOCKING is sign of BAD CONDUCT. The disbelievers always mocked Allah, His Verses and His messenger, thereby displayed their UNRIGHTEOUS CONDUCT. It was not ZAKAH which they did not GIVE but did not EXECUTE RIGHTEOUS CONDUCT but MOCKED. Still you believe that the DISBELIEVERS did not GIVE ZAKAH?
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Salamun Alaikum brother Hafeez.
My understanding is righteousness is a more suitable translation for "salihat" as in a'malu salehin = acting righteously (or appropriately). For me, Salihat (righteousness) encompasses both "Establishment of Salaat" (Establishing respect and loyalty of Allah in our lifestyle) as well as Zakaat (strive for purification and blessing in our livelihood).
I am compelled to reply to your post because you gave some misrepresentation about my position.
I would humbly request you, if you do not have the patience of reading my posts thoroughly at least do me a favor by not commenting on my position because that could confuse other readers. Note how I am refraining from commenting on your postion. Below I am specifically clarifying the misrepresentations of my position in your postIf you consider Zakat as a monetary term then I would advice you to reconsider your interpretation.
Clarification I DO NOT consider zakaat as a monetary term. I consider zakaat as an ethical / moral term which involves continuously seeking purification and blessing in one's livelihood. For details please refer back to my earlier post.
According to your understanding only people who are rich or those who can afford should give Zakat and those who are poor receive Zakat.
Clarification I DO NOT believe only people who can afford need to pay zakaat. Everyone, irrespective of rich or poor has the responsibility of seeking purity (zakaah) in their livelihood. When a poor man refrains from stealing because he seeks purity in his livelihood, he is essentially complying with zakaat commandment. For details please refer back to my earlier post.
Again, as a parting request, you are 100% entitled to reject my views as 100% wrong and propose your 100% correct view - but PLEASE do not misrepresent my position. If, in spite of all these requests, you continue to incorrectly portray my position - I will consider that unnecessary provocation for argumentation and ignore it.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
