Issues on salat
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Peace huruf,
Salat, the way as you know I understand it, might involve prayer or calling unto The Master, but it is the only part of the practice and it has a wider meaning. It is yet the desire to stay on the assembly of God and not dividing into sects and the unity with God is mandatory to keep it that way because men and women are, as you may already know, very prone to succumb to conjecture.
But if a person, possibly a cleric, was to yusallah, ie "recruit" someone to the assembly of God then they teach about the right things about the faith meaning the command, decree and judgment of God. To remain heedful of this union then we must work to keep it too thus "maintain salat" or else we may listen to the temptations of the evil one. Gathering as an assembly in a house of God is a good way of keeping the unity since we can keep focused and "on topic" and, God willing, the cleric or mumin is in close connection to God to provide wisdom.
So indirectly salat can be prayer even if the word does not imply that meaning because you will likely pray together with the assembly as you gather together as a unit. Imploring in unity on a mutual goal is probably one of the finest shows of the good of the assembly. There are examples of group prayers (who use dua) by people in the recitation who do not parrot sentences but say something as a group rather than individually. They may as well been gathered in a house of God when uttering the words.
But stereotypically reciting the same passages seem redundant and I would suspect that God is driven crazy if God would have been a man. Traditional "Muslims" recite the same chapter (alfatiah) up to 4 times as if God hears them because of their many words.
God bless you
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?How many times would you say "I love you" and words of endearment to a person you love? I think we repeat always ourselves very much when we are attached to them, when they are dear to us, when we admire them. We do repeat ourselves out of affection for the person, and it does not get boring unless one of them feel no longer the same.
So, I do not think that the trouble is repetition. The trouble is lack of concentration. Would I get tired of saying Huwa Allaho ahad, allahu samad... I do not think so, it is such a shoot of hope and certainty... Repeating like parrots may be a waste of time, but turn back to the one who cares for us and loves us... For God everything is a repetition, more than that, a repetition of hE Himself. What new can you tell Him? The last gossip about the director of the International Monetary Fund? Well I think He alikes humour, so might work...
Salaam
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Peace Jane.
GOD sends scriptures and messengers for our salvation.
How / Why/what /when/... are up to us to sort out. Also we need to sort out our priorities?
Yes, it is about what the GOD really wants and means ,not about what we want!Thanks. I am of the opinion nowadays that what we want, as in our true desires from our higher self are actually what the God wants for us; it is just sometimes we confuse our ego desire with our true desire.
Ego desire being mainly to 'fit in' with others or to somehow comfort ourselves vs. what we know deep down is best for us.
When we follow our ego desire rather than our true i.e. God's desire, then we are 'off course' and the test is to reject this and to follow our true desire again so that we are in alignment again.
I think the satan takes us away from the God by tricking us into rejecting what our true desires are...
Peace.
sun
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Peace huruf,
Well. The exact number of sets of prostration and same repetition of recitation will hardly bring more guidance than to the one that is more modest and read a simple prayer out of glorification to their Master and whose faith is very strong. God knows what is in our hearts you know.
I still feel as if they think their prayer is heard because of their many words.
It is much different if a person bursts out and repeated "I love you God, I love you God, I love you God", because that is an honest expression of that feeling at that moment.
Reading al-fatiah is actually a prayer and they read it up to four times in the same ritualistic movement as if it will come true extra much if they repeat it several times.
That they often read chapters with qul (say) command is also fascinating because they are (often) directed towards people who do not hear you when you utter those words.
I still feel it is parroting passages with not much reflection of what they actually say.
In many sectarian contexts it is further fascinating because there they seem to take the Arabic language as kind of magical that you need to recite whole Quran even if you have no clue of what it says. Then you begin taking idols other than God in my opinion.
God bless you
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Peace MoF
It is You WE worship and You WE ask for help Guide US to the straight path The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked anger or of those who are astray 15/6/7
The above verses are not meant for reciting in a lone prayer but in congregational prayer because of the plural WE and US. An alone worshiper is not the lawful representative of the whole Ummah so that he can pray on behalf of all Ummah.
Say, , "O people, if you are in doubt as to my religion - then I do not worship those which you worship besides Allah; but I worship Allah, who causes your death. And I have been commanded to be of the believers 10104
Surah Kaafirun must have been revealed after this verse
Say, "O disbelievers I do not worship what you worship Nor are you worshipers of what I worship Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship For you is your religion, and for me is my religion
A reply to the disbelievers from the prophet is said to Allah in the prayers? What nonsense.
There is great difference between We worship and I worship. We worship are the words of a congregational prayer whereas I worship are the words of an alone prayer.
Who said that WE WORSHIP
Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons "What will ye worship after me?" They said "We shall worship Thy god and the god of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah To Him we bow (in Islam)." 2133
The sons of Yaqoob said to their father "WE will worship thy God"
When he said to his father and his people, "What do you worship?" They said, "We worship idols and remain to them devoted 2670/71
The disbelievers replied to Abraham in one tone unanimously "We worship idols"
In the same context Surah fateha should be read by all the believers present at one place with one voice with a thorough understanding of what they mean by uttering these words. it should not be said on a casual basis or as a routine or as a ritual or as a formality.
Nobody knows who said Surah Fateha but perhaps Harun and Moses because they were HELPED and and they were GUIDED to SIRATAL MUSTAQIM
And helped them so that they became the victors And We gave them the explicit Scripture And We guided them on the SIRATAL MUSTAQIM 37116/117/118
If today's Muslim close their window of their of their brain and do not allow fresh air to enter it then the coming Muslims will go more astray than us.
Thanks
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Zulf,
I understand your concern regarding the emotional blackmail of religious groups and their clerics. But it is important to understand that no one is under any obligation to follow the Quran in the first instance "So whoever wills, let him believe. And whoever wills, let him disbelieve." (1829) Furthermore, "There is no compulsion in the dn." (2256) People are free to believe for their own benefit, and they are also free to disbelieve to their own detriment. However, if one chooses to follow the Quran then one must follow all of it, not simply the parts that appeal to one's personal fancy.
Huruf,
If we assume that (1) the remembrance of God does indeed render the hearts peaceful, and that (2) salah does indeed prevent evil doing, then a lack of peacefulness and continued evil doing are flaws of our own, and God's statements still hold true. The key is to identify and remedy the deficiencies of our own selves and not to negate the categorical statements issued by God (ى in the Quran. I also accept your argument that in congregation a person will, to some extent at least, be mindful of his peers and will therefore be deprived of wholistic devotion. I myself am guilty of that. As such I prefer to perform ?lh in solitude. Indeed, I have no choice but to perform ?lh in solitude as I know of no believers in my town. Notwithstanding this, we can be sure that Muhammad performed ?lh in congregation with the believers as is made clear in 4102.
Awwww, that's lovely
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Thanks Jane )
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Zulf,
I understand your concern regarding the emotional blackmail of religious groups and their clerics. But it is important to understand that no one is under any obligation to follow the Quran in the first instance "So whoever wills, let him believe. And whoever wills, let him disbelieve." (1829) Furthermore, "There is no compulsion in the dn." (2256) People are free to believe for their own benefit, and they are also free to disbelieve to their own detriment. However, if one chooses to follow the Quran then one must follow all of it, not simply the parts that appeal to one's personal fancy.
Agreed.
But the issue at hand is how to follow it. People follow it in very different ways. Even those who stone people claim to follow it. Following it means following it correctly, which is not that simple... because first we have to pray for guidance, and get the prayers accepted, which also required personal purification. Following tradition is not necessarily the same as following the quran. Even the quran warns about following ancestors blindly.
Peace
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Peace Jane.
I understand you.
Also for me .when I observe salat, it is my true desire.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Peace uq.
I also observe salat in solitude. I have no choice either. I have not found a place where GOD Alone is served in Manchester England?.
I am mindful of the following
9107
There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messenger. They solemnly swear "Our intentions are honorable!" God bears witness that they are liars.9108
You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. God loves those who purify themselves.9109
Is one who establishes his building on the basis of reverencing God and to gain His approval better, or one who establishes his building on the brink of a crumbling cliff, that falls down with him into the fire of Hell? God does not guide the transgressing people.9110
Such a building that they have established remains a source of doubt in their hearts, until their hearts are stilled. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.May be one day in the future, GOD willing?
GOD bless you.
Peace.