This is more reasonable about 33:40
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Most here consider that the Qur'an is the only text they know which is exactly what it purports to be full revelation, with no estraneous matter, undadulterated. Still we grudge acknowledgement to the person who managed to transmit it so. We must downgrade the messenger of God who transmitted the Qur'an to the lowest of the lowest, capable of any low thing, like all people are, according to that mindset. What kind of attitude is that? I find it disgusting.
Messengers of God are not pizza deliverers, they know what they transmit, they are not parrots, they know what they transmit and they are faithful to what they transmit and are faithful, devoted to their Creator, they participate kowingly in their transmission, live by it. This passion to reduce any saintly person to "common" ordinary mortal capable of any evil is stupid and illogical.
A person who knows God intimately as much as a human being can know God, and lives by it, is not the same as any "common" who shares his or her interest in God with many other interests and not always God comes first.
A prophet does not receive revelation because God has no choice but to offer that post to the first "common" person, a messenger receives revelation because he or she is open, his or her heart is pure to receive untainted what must be transmitted untainted through him or her. A prophet must be pure, very pure, that is why God purifies prophets. They are not "common" people, but exceptionnaly pure and purified people, exceptionnally devoted to God. They put their soul in the message they transmit, they are not ignorant of what is inside the message. They know it and they live by it.
If we are not ready to acknowledge the messengers of God, it is that we do not give a damn for the message of God. And if we think that any prophet is no better than us then it must be that we have nothing to look up to as persons who need to aspire to purer worship. Ridiculous pride. Shaytan did that. We do not have to postrate to prophets or to anybody but God but we do need to acknowledge facts, and fact is a prophet is still ahead of us "common" people in devotion and sincerity.
Prophets or criminals it is all the same for some people it seems. Prophets of course do not need our approval nor our respect nor anything from us. All they need is God, God's approval and God's mercy. But we do need to feel respect to the messengers of God and to all people, and we need to acknowledge reality and merit, otherwise we will be at the level of Shaytan, pitiful, prideful idiots full of ourselves. Really pitiful.
Prophers serve the people. They give up their lives for the sake of the people. They transmit the message for the people not to earn a wage, not to earn anybody's approval or applause. They are not paid postmen. They can do without any of that. God only is their master and God says they are a mercy for the worlds and they are purified. But we seem to know better, and make them just like us, "common people". Wouldn't it be better if we just tried to become purer like them? But for that we should be humble and start acknowledging that there are spiritual levels. Nobody is wrong at whatever level he or she is, but we are all on the road of improvement in our return to God. If we are unable to appreciate purity in others, how on earth are going to appreciate anything at all to make us want something better for ourselves?
Pride is not the best counsellor, it was not for Shaytan, it is not for us. We are ridiculous when we attempt to bring down to our "common" level everything that breaths.
Salaam
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Peace huruf,
I do ABSOLUTELY NOT disrespect Muhammad (or whatever his name was) and it could as well being me said never to have lived or that I would be unimportant.
The prophet was not unimportant and had an honorable mission way better than succeeding in a business venture. The problem I have is that people exalt him or say that God exalted him and give him extraordinary own might where it is God who assisted him into those ranks. They say that he was different to structure and design than ANY ordinary man, but he was just intelligent and and went looking for God and served God well and got selected to be a prophet (likely predestined but he passed the test not to be disqualified).
My anger comes when people say that Muhammad is a mediator between them and God despite Quran being very clear on that matter. And that Muhammad is or was in a better position than them and therefore they have to idolize him. Reached a high rank or not it was just a human being made of flesh and bone.
Quran, or the recitation, was not the only ever revelation of the decree either but many were the messengers and prophets of the past. Who say they did not already know the decree and judgment before the first time they read Quran (except those who grew up with it)?
God bless you
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But a sincere pizza deliverer will proclaim himself as a pizza deliverer (not necessary the only or the best - just one of many others) and ring the bell of the customer's house - otherwise if he waits for customers to come to him and collect the pizza - his mission of pizza delivery will fail.
Indeed. Good arguments, brother.
How about "We do not differentiate among messengers", does that sound fanatical?
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Salm.
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Peace huruf,
I do ABSOLUTELY NOT disrespect Muhammad (or whatever his name was) and it could as well being me said never to have lived or that I would be unimportant.
God bless you
And had it been Our will We could have shown them Muna'fi'qeen to you whereby you would have certainly recognized them by their visible marks;
And certainly henceforth you will definitely recognize them in the tone of their speech, statement, utterance.
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Peace,
Verily you are clearly able to paste a verse out of context and delusively throw it in someone's face. What is your point?
I said there is no disrespect to the person who received the recitation to mankind, but this same person would likely want me to praise God alone for the work he did. At least so would I if I served God in any matter.
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Satan has many brothers amongst ordinary human beings. Men can utter sentences like I quoted earlier, but listen Satan what regards he had about those Personally Chosen persons of Allah the Exalted
"Exception to my promised Endeavour against humanity is only with regard to those who are exclusively chosen as absolutely sincere allegiants of You the Exalted."
Since Satan has regards for the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted he will be given a better class in the Hell-Prison than the Muna'fi'qeen who will be in the worst class of Hell Prison. Slightest disregard and disrespect nurtured in the hearts against the exalted Messenger Muhammad s.a.s. will suffice to take one straight to lowest hell prison. Such person is a Munifiq and his abode is there.
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elektro
Serious answer, please... > I
Salm.
Salaam,
4034 And Joseph had come to you before with proofs, but you remained in doubt regarding what he came to you with, until when he died, you said God will not send any messenger after him. It is such that God sends astray he who is a transgressor, doubter.
3613 And put forth for them the example of the people of the town, when the messengers came to it.
3614 Where We sent two to them, but they disbelieved in them, so We supported them with a third one, thus they said We are messengers to you.
3615 They said You are but human beings like us, and the Almighty did not send down anything, you are only telling lies.
3616 They said Our Lord knows that we have been sent to you.
3617 And we are only required to give a clear delivery.1047 And for every nation is a messenger; so when their messenger comes, the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged.
1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation "You shall serve God and avoid evil." Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.
Salaam,
Bender -
Peace huruf,
I do ABSOLUTELY NOT disrespect Muhammad (or whatever his name was) and it could as well being me said never to have lived or that I would be unimportant.
The prophet was not unimportant and had an honorable mission way better than succeeding in a business venture. The problem I have is that people exalt him or say that God exalted him and give him extraordinary own might where it is God who assisted him into those ranks. They say that he was different to structure and design than ANY ordinary man, but he was just intelligent and and went looking for God and served God well and got selected to be a prophet (likely predestined but he passed the test not to be disqualified).
My anger comes when people say that Muhammad is a mediator between them and God despite Quran being very clear on that matter. And that Muhammad is or was in a better position than them and therefore they have to idolize him. Reached a high rank or not it was just a human being made of flesh and bone.
Quran, or the recitation, was not the only ever revelation of the decree either but many were the messengers and prophets of the past. Who say they did not already know the decree and judgment before the first time they read Quran (except those who grew up with it)?
God bless you
I understand what you mean and I did not mean you, I know already enough of your attitude to know that you do not disrespect the prophets and more specifically he who has been called the seal of them.
But I find it sad that we are bounced from one idiocy to the opposite idiocy. Prophets, alhamdillah are human like us, we all in sha allah will become prophets in this life or in another life, when we are pure and let God shine through us, but the need to reduce everything to the lowest expression is sickenning, to make out ourselves into judges of people who God calls a mercy to human kind, is sick, prideful, debasing.
They are not mediators, they are servants of God and humanity, some love and respect for deserving people, even if they are prophets, cannot be out of place.
But again, we seem to be balls that the manipulators enjoy bouncing from one wall to the opposite wall.
And Sabeel is also right when he says that there seems to be some people who would say wonders about Musa and 3isa, but when it comes to Muhammad they seem to have some constipation and cannot bring a word of acknowledgment for him, as if polical correctness said which prophets are kosher and can be praised and which ones should be given a cold shoulder. As I said in a previous message, as far as I know, there is no championship of prophethood going on. They are all one, as we all should be one, but they are one and shame to us if we make them many. Why do you have to project on them our meanness?
If we want to get better we should look up to those who are better than us. Anybody that is better than oneself, not to worship but to emulate and strive as the Qur'an commands us. And who better than those that were guided by God in all purity.
Gor God's sake, a big chunk of the Qur'an is made up of the stories of prophets, of the events in the life of the transmitter of the Qur'an... Was it just to fill space and so that we in our time could take up bandwidth?
The nuts who deify the Prophet of the Qur'an may find a good encouragement to continue doing so in the need for the other extreme to demean that Prophet. This is not a match, it is our lives and our sincerity.
Salaam
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@ brother Bender.
Thank you for more serious answer.
So, looks like you believe that Allah still sends the messenger for our time.
Or, perhaps you believe that Allah will send a messenger for every nation, including at this time?
Salm.
Salaam,
I do not believe but I know for sure.
Salaam,
Bender -
I understand what you mean and I did not mean you, I know already enough of your attitude to know that you do not disrespect the prophets and more specifically he who has been called the seal of them.
I suppose brother Man of Faith often speaks bluntly.
However, I think he has good intention in his heart.
Looks like he does not want if his brothers here stuck in idolatry or stuck in the behaviour that may lead to idolatry.
@ Brother Mazhar
Brother, I think brother Man of Faith is trying to save you.
Salm.
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May I know how you can know for sure?
Salaam,
You can recognize a messenger of Allah by the message.
Have you ever met someone who you think is a messenger of God?
Salm.
Sure.
We just have to get rid of thinking that messengers of Allah are superhumans with superpowers and get rid of idiolizing past messengers, then a lot will clear up for us.
Salaam,
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Peace Mazhar,
Slightest disregard and disrespect nurtured in the hearts against the exalted Messenger Muhammad s.a.s. will suffice to take one straight to lowest hell prison. Such person is a Munifiq and his abode is there.
What kind of respect or regard do you talk about? If we follow the criteria and decree of the recitation (Qur'an) then, in my opinion, we respect and honor the prophet. I am as glad for his past devotion as I am for Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Lot, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Zachariah, John, Jesus, and all those I forgot to mention here.
Satan has many brothers amongst ordinary human beings. Men can utter sentences like I quoted earlier, but listen Satan what regards he had about those Personally Chosen persons of Allah the Exalted
Yeah. And you do not think it is because of their exceptional devotion and not through wishful thinking that they reach there?
Since Satan has regards for the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted
Hello? Are you really reading the passage or are you dreaming? The passage talks about those exempted people who cannot be tempted by Shaytaan. Please check in on the context.
1535 ?And a curse shall be upon you until the Day of Recompense.?
1536 He said ?My Master, respite me until the Day they are resurrected.?
1537 He said ?You are given respite.?
1538 ?Until the Day of the time appointed.?
1539 He said ?My Master, for that by which You have caused me to be misled, I will beautify for them what is on the earth, and I will mislead them all...?
1540 ?...except Your servants from among them, the devoted ones.?1541 He said ?This shall be a straight path to Me.?
1542 ?For My servants, you shall have no authority over them, except those who are misled and follow you.?
1543 ?And that Hell shall be their appointment, all of them.?
1544 ?It has seven gates, for every gate will be an assigned segmentTeal Does this not include all the servants of God in the whole world, from the now and from the past?
word by word
Except servants your ones them the sincere/devoted/pure/chosen.
I am sorry if I looked sarcastic.
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Peace brother Scribbler,
You say that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an 'ordinary' man. Can you please tell me the name of one person who is NOT ordinary according to you? Bill Gates? Michael Jackson? Just tell me one name.
That is exactly the lesson. Everyone of them are ordinary people. You were kind to tell me three names so why do I have to add another?
The "platform" on which they operate is just as any one of us. Muhammad's platform was not Human 2.0 but it was the same version as we are. He was not an honorable messenger just due to wishful thinking but he also devoted himself immensely and served The Master well. Not saying we all become messengers or prophets, but it could be anyone of us who really devoted him/herself and happened to be within a prophecy and/or God's planning.
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Peace Mazhar,
What kind of respect or regard do you talk about? If we follow the criteria and decree of the recitation (Qur'an) then, in my opinion, we respect and honor the prophet. I am as glad for his past devotion as I am for Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Lot, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Zachariah, John, Jesus, and all those I forgot to mention here.
Yeah. And you do not think it is because of their exceptional devotion and not through wishful thinking that they reach there?
Hello? Are you really reading the passage or are you dreaming? The passage talks about those exempted people who cannot be tempted by Shaytaan. Please check in on the context.
1535 ?And a curse shall be upon you until the Day of Recompense.?
1536 He said ?My Master, respite me until the Day they are resurrected.?
1537 He said ?You are given respite.?
1538 ?Until the Day of the time appointed.?
1539 He said ?My Master, for that by which You have caused me to be misled, I will beautify for them what is on the earth, and I will mislead them all...?
1540 ?...except Your servants from among them, the devoted ones.?1541 He said ?This shall be a straight path to Me.?
1542 ?For My servants, you shall have no authority over them, except those who are misled and follow you.?
1543 ?And that Hell shall be their appointment, all of them.?
1544 ?It has seven gates, for every gate will be an assigned segmentTeal Does this not include all the servants of God in the whole world, from the now and from the past?
word by word
Except servants your ones them the sincere/devoted/pure/chosen.
I am sorry if I looked sarcastic.
Give a thought to the fact that the word is Passive Participle which is derived from Form IV passive verb. And its role in the sentence is of for which is evident by its accusative case.
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Peace,
Sorry I have no other thought than what it says.
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Peace,
Sorry I have no other thought than what it says.
Had you given a thought why Satan used a Passive Participle your whole perception about the Messenger might have changed. Satan also did not give a second thought when he was asked about his action, instead insisted on being superior to Adam.
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Had you given a thought why Satan used a Passive Participle your whole perception about the Messenger might have changed. Satan also did not give a second thought when he was asked about his action, instead insisted on being superior to Adam.
Salaam,
RED Wow, what a strong proposition.
And what exactly has this all to do with the messenger? teach us so that we can see if your red proposition holds or not.
Salaam,
Bender