Did God/Allah really say that Palestine belongs to the 'Israelies'?
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Personally, religion is irrelevant when it comes to who really own the land.. But many people have been using the Qur'an to fool Muslims into believing that Palestine belongs to the 'Israelies'..
Does God really say that Jerusalem belongs to the Israelies? Does God even say that the land belongs to the Jews? Or does he say that the land belongs to the ISRAELITES? Is God a Zionist?
"And We said unto the Children of Israel after him Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17104 Pickthal
The Qur'an goes on talking about the children of Israel.. The Children of Israel were the Israelites and NOT the Israelies in the same way the children of America are the Americans, hence its citizens. There is a difference between the term 'Israeli' and the term 'Israelite'.. The Israelites were a tribe who existed thousands of years ago until they were conquered and absorbed under many banners such as the Romans, Seleucid empire, Egyptian army and finally to the Arabs, hence Arabization. The term 'Israeli' is a term used to refer to the citizens of the modern state of Israel.. Many can immigrate there and be granted citizenship just like 100% of the Israeli founding fathers were Jewish Zionist European Immigrants who thought they take Palestine because it belongs to the joos. The term 'Palestinian' on the otherhand shouldn't be considered an ethnicity but rather as a nationality ment to absorb all citizens in Palestine regardless of religion to be recognized as Palestinians. The Israelies stole this id?a by occoupying Palestine, kicking out its inhibitants and absorbed some Palestinians and later on fooled them by making them believe that they are Arabs from Saudi-Arabia. The term Palestinian is just a nationality ment to absorb its residents in the same way Swede is a nationality also ment to absorb its residents and to unite them. The Vikings weren't called 'Swedes' thousands of years ago. Many can argue that we all have our origin in Africa which is true and I won't deny that but that still doesn't change the fact that Israelites had their own culture, language and history which the fake 'Israelies' AKA the Europeans stole.. There is no such thing as 'Israeli'.. It didin't even exist thousands of years ago. Show me where. Israelies are a fake people and their nation has no right to exist but they are hiding behind the Hebrew traditions and language while acting as if it's theirs.
Allah/God can't be considered a Zionist considering the fact that he/she never said that the land belongs to the Jews.. Infact he/she said that it belongs to the Israelites.
Zionism according to wikipedia
"Zionism is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel."
God does not support a land for the Israelies AKA the European Immigrants or for the Jews but rather for the Israelites. The Israelites evolved from local Canaanites (archaeological evidence, not the stories of the Bible, which were never intended to be taken literally). But even if one is to take the stories of the Bible literally, there is plenty of "evidence" in the Bible that Hebrews prospered with Adomites and other Canaanites... The Canaanites according to pagan Egyptian ruins and drawings were tan-skinned, orange-haired/black-haired/brown-haired, and so on. Take a look at Nethanjahu.. Does he really look like a Canaanite? Or more like a European parasite?
This is how the Canaanites are believen to look like
http//i.imgur.com/imzYoKQ.png
Why do Palestinians like Tawfiq Canaan have Canaan as their last name?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawfiq_Canaan
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_peopleMeanwhile the Jews carry European names like Goldenstein? Why do many people assume that Jews belong in Palestine? Is it because they are Jews and because they know Hebrew? If some South-Asian religious nutjobs decided to learn Arabic and decided to change to Arabic names because they have fetish for the Arabian culture and pretend to be the natives of Arabia because their 'scripture' said so, does it mean that they belong in Arabia?
Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana?an for their children. Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are Canaanitic symbols (and are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). I can site several other examples including ritualistic events that are likely pagan in origin. Jews converting to Christianity and Christians converting to Islam as major trends during the establishment of these religions is also well documented. Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times.
Despite the Palestinians using Arabic names due to Arabization.. It's still more real than garbage European names. Afterall, Arabic and Hebrew have the same roots and so does the Canaanite language. The Palestinians have their own accent, culture and history because the truth is that they were arabized. It's ironic that many people claim that Palestinians were a bunch of Arab Immigrants from Jordan, yet 100% of the current Israelies and their ancestry were all Immigrants from Europe. You have for example David Ben Guron who was a European born in Poland and carried 4 citizenships lol. But even if Palestinians were orginally 'Jordanians' as the Israeli propagandists claims it's still more real than the European Immigrants. Jordan is a levant-country and its natives had a lot of connection to the Israelites culturally and genetically. Many Israelites moved from Jerusalem and many Jordanians moved to Israel, etc. The same can be said about Syria and Lebanon. According to wikipedia on Jordan ''In antiquity, the present day Jordan became a home for several Semitic Canaanite-speaking ancient kingdoms, including the kingdom of Edom, the kingdom of Moab, the kingdom of Ammon, the kingdom of Israel and also the Amalekites.''. I'd rather be an Immigrant from Jordan than an Immigrant from Europe if I had to choose for Palestine.
Palestinian demographics confirm that there were already Palestinians present in Palestine long before there was any Immigration. But whoever owns the land is not my point.. It's the fact whether religious scripture really supports the 'Israelies' or not and it does not. The religious scriptures support the Israelites though and they are different than the European copy-cats i.e the Israelies.
Many want you to believe that being Jewish and an Israelite is the same thing. But could anyone tell me how being Jewish is being an Israelite? Judaism was a religion started by an Israelite thousands of years ago which anybody can convert to. Hebrew is NOT a Jewish language in the same way Arabic is NOT a Muslim language. Hebrew is a language spoken and created by the Israelites.. And all their traditions belong to the Israelites and NOT to the Jews. Judaism is just a religion which anybody can convert too.. If I convert to Judaism, does that mean that my homeland belongs in Palestine? Then why were those European Jews living in Europe for thousands of years allowed to occoupy Palestine and claim to be the 'natives'? Is it because they're Jewish? The Israelites don't exist anymore.. They are an ancient civilization that were absorbed as other empires conquered especially the Arabs.
O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.
And We gave Musa the Book and made it a guidance to the children of Israel, saying Do not take a protector besides Me;
And We had made known to the children of Israel in the Book Most certainly you will make mischief in the land twice, and most certainly you will behave insolently with great insolence.
And certainly We gave Musa nine clear signs; so ask the children of Israel. When he came to them, Firon said to him Most surely I deem you, O Musa, to be a man deprived of reason.
And We said to the Israelites after him Dwell in the land and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment.
Nowhere does the Qur'an mention the ISRAELIES or the JEWS.. So no Allah was not a Zionist and neither did he support an Israeli homeland.. He rather supported an ISRAELITE homeland according to the Qur'an.
See I know the Qur'an better than Harun Yahya. I have an id?a how we could actually solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Remove all Israelies from Palestine or atleast change leadership.. Find a new country for them in Europe.. Denmark, Britain any European country and occoupy that country instead. I will support it 110% - Give the European Jews their homeland there. Take Denmark.. It's a perfect homeland but maybe making it a 'Jewish homeland' might not work considering the fact that Christianity has ruled this country and turned it primitive until other Europeans taught the country about democracy. Or just give the European Jews their European citizenship already. My solution deserves a nobel prize.
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First, this has become a whole mess of semantic issues.
The today definition of Israelites are definitely different than 7th century Israelites or 10th century BC Israelites.
Albeit the same name.The terminology of "Jews" did not exist before the Roman conquered Canaan.
It originated from "Kingdom of Judah/Yehudah" which was in a state of civil war between "The Saducees" and "The Pharisees" when a Roman consul named Pompey intervened and helped "The Pharisees" in their civil war in return of subordination to the Roman Empire.Since then, the term "Iudeus" was born as Kingdom Of Yehudah become "Iudeus province of Roman Empire", and it's people are named as "Iudeus citizen of Roman Empire". Through "Englishfication" it become Jew.
The Iudeus performed rebellion against its master many times, all failed miserably and many are massacred, this created a great wave of refugee towards Europe, Africa, Asia and other area. And this wave of refugee happened many times. Not all Iudeus left their homeland, many did stayed and survived.
The today's Palestinian is the result of a "cross breeding" between myriad of people Turkic, Mongoloid, Persian from Asia, Greek and Roman from Europe, Egyptians, Arabs from neighboring area and the native Iudeus. And as you said they become "Arabized" due to some circumstances.
And the religion / belief / tradition of the "Iudeus" has metamorphosed itself into what's known today as the religion of Islam.Anyone who has performed a thorough comparison between "Judaism" and "Islam" will agree on the above fact.
Outside of Canaan, in Europe, the "Iudeus" immigrant has also mixed with the local population, thus the so-called "European Jews" is the result of a "cross breeding" between Iudeus and their respective local population. (Germans, British, Dutch, Russians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Austrians etc..) and termed as "European Jews". Many did cross-breed and many other local population just 'convert' into their tradition/religion without any cross-breeding.
The native European doesn't seem to like those "Iudeus cross breed" people.. it's mainly because they find their culture and tradition to be different than their own, plus the extensive hate propaganda from the Catholic / Orthodox churches that those "Iudeus cross breed" are the "accursed one" because they've crucified our lord. As a result there were many oppression targeted towards the "Iudeus".
On the other hand, the "Iudeus" are also worried about the 'survivability of their social identity', due to the rate of the "cross breeding" with the locals, they were worried that their culture/tradition shall become extinct in the foreseeable future. Thus they met and decided to start a "Iudeus cultural nationalist movement" termed "Zionism". Referring to the name of a mountain nearby the city of Jerusalem. The bonding was also being strengthen due to their 'common suffering' of being oppressed by the European natives.
It's the "oppression" that started a thinking of getting a 'homeland of our own' where we can be free from any oppression, thus the thought of 'buying the land for ourselves' in Canaan was born and started extensively in the beginning of 20th century.
What the "European Iudeus Cross Breed" experienced is totally different with what the "Canaanites Iudeus Cross Breed" experienced.
The "Canaanites Iudeus Cross Breed" fare much better than the "European Iudeus Cross Breed" . And because the "Canaanites Iudeus Cross Breed" has assumed a different name for their identity and different language (although it's very similar), the "European Iudeus Cross Breed" did not recognized them as 'among our people'.Long story short, after three times of losing the war, many of the "Canaanites Iudeus Cross Breed" a.k.a Palestinian, albeit not all, were being expelled from their land by the "European Iudeus Cross Breed". And the conflict still raging on up until today.
So what's the solution?
In contrast to your proposed solution of "expelling somebody", which shall makes matter worse.. I view "One State Solution" as a more viable approach. Combined both today country named "Israel" and "Palestine" into one "Republic of Kanaan" (or other names). Let all the 'historical mistakes' be bygone, no more grouches and hatred due to the past mistakes and create a brighter future for all the people.
Although this solution will also be rejected by the "European Iudeus Cross Breed" because as we speak their 'majority' are dwindling down.
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Today's Demographic of (only) IsraelNonetheless I still see that as the only workable solution.
The "European Iudeus Cross Breed" have to accept the fact that there's no way they can maintain a 'majority' and accept the "Canaanites Iudeus Cross Breed" as among their own.Salam / Peace
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The real-estate God is popular amongst zionnist Christians and certain other Christians who believe in things like chosen people and other wonders.
It is shocking that a "return" based on religion may have been promoted by the imperials who on the other hand pretend to be modern and evolved and what not. -saytanic hypocrites is what they are who do not hesitate in using religion and any other appliance to further their power-thirsty aims.
But people who have undergone their calvaries on earth, in sha Allah will shine in the net life.
Salaam