This is more reasonable about 33:40
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Where are you man? Countless passages saying have faith and do good and many elaborations on what to do and you ask me that question?
Pleasures of this life. It sounds like someone who does not have faith according to the recited text. How about reading what the scripture says instead of lens-reading it for a reason to idolize Muhammad.
Your and mine actions will never be parrallel and earn us a rank equal to those Believers who were in the corporeal company of the elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted.
Those who had spent before the event of the Conquest of Mecca and confronted war do not and will never equate in timeline with any one amongst you people.
They are the people who are comparatively great.
Their greatness is with regard to their elevated rank-ascension in contrast to all the people who did the same act of spending and confronting war in time and space in time-line after the Conquest.
Classification of the Believers
What remains the worth of all the belief and good deeds if the protocol of respect of the Messenger is even sligtly compromised
O those/you who proclaim to have accepted-become believers, listen;
You should not raise your voices over and above the voice of the Elevated, Distinct and Chosen Allegiant Muhammad ;
And you should not be plain/frank for him in addressing him by name like ordinary manner of frankness of some of you for some others
This advice is given as caution lest your deeds become voided, weightless froth, destructive,
While you people are not even aware of this upshot.We always mention respectfully and honourably even the political dignataries by words like His Excellency, Your excellency, Her Majesty the Queen of Englan; My lord; etc; but here on this forum many people get irked and emotionally disturbed if same attitude is adopted for the really and genuinely exalted Messengers of Allah the Exalted.
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Wrong, MoF, I am not angre. I am vehement in expression but am not angry. I consider you a person with good intention and purpose, but a really see no point in putting prophets "in their place". They never were out of their place and they did serve humand kind because as the Qur'an says they are a mercy for all the worlds, and they were so deliberately, they were not forced nor cajoled they did it out of love for human kind, and opposing love of God and love of human kind as far as I am concerned is meaningless and ridiculous. God created human kind, created everything, not to love human kind or everything is slighting God's creation. ?Did he do it wrong? And to offset huaman kind as contradiction to God is also meaningless, where is the Tawhid?
No we are not God, but we are here because God whanted us here. God cannot be served because He is and has everything. We cannot make a favour to God, we can submit to God we can deliver ourselves wholly to God, but we cannot serve him, He does not require a damned thing out of us. But other humans and other things may require that we take care of them. You do not serve God, you worshi God and you serve humankind. And if you do it out of love for human kind, it is not wrong. God has not forbidden us to love human kind.
People who are very spiritually developed, like prophets, may love God very very deeply, but for many people the step by step love to God begins with loves closer to their perception, the love of goodness the love of beauty, the love of those who are good to us. That is also love of God but we should not split love. We cannot attain to God, but we can attain to His manifestations as reflected in humans and other beings. In phenomena.
The prophet as postman is a very unfortunat simil which seems to have got a great grip here, but the postman does not know what is in the letters, whereas the prophets do know and not only that, they must be an example for all people of what is enjoined in the letter. No postman indifferent to other human beings, but quite the opposite very much moved and devoted to their wellbeing and salvation. They worship God, they are the most intimate friends of God, but they do serve us. It is only pure love of God that may persuade somebody to give up his time, his passions, his human loves for the sake of humanity. Their lifes do not belong to them, but to they people they are sent to... That is a lot of renunciation. I feel as if there was a counting of how much you can respect or thank or speak well of prophets... it shocks me. Just as much as I have been shocked by people whi in every two words they bring the Prophet to bear as if it was their shadow, as if overdoing their "dedication" to the Prophet were going to have the magical effect of salvation. Both excesses are shocking. Balanced people do nto go to such ridiculous extremes. We can be quite moderate and balanced for most things. Why not in this one?
Do we have to justify to some strict judge our saying every time we speak well or with respect of a prophet? Do we have to justify ourselves to some strict judge our not saying every two words aplaudding the Prophet.
Let us not go nuts trying to put in the moon concepts and measure that are quite common in our lives and which we do naturally but which since it has become a matter of being reaproachless it does become a problem.
God is God humans are humans and there are humans who are exceptionally pious and God loving and therefore humanity loving. May God bless them and may he be thanked for the blessings that we get through the prophets and let us not be stingy in their praise. We like it when we are praised for our attainments. We make efforts and it is not easy nor a matter of course for us to attain things, and we are grateful for praise, why be stingy with the prophets. Will we be degraded by some judge of fashion?Salaam
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Mazhar,
Although the messenger is dead since over 1000 years ago. Are you going to build your own life or be living in the past? I told you that it is better that you and me rush for good deeds instead of lens-reading about things we should be doing today and which he did many many many years ago.
Why could we not be as good as the people of Muhammad? Do you not see the error here? You have given up before even trying.
Have faith
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Peace huruf,
There has to be a balance between gratification towards ancient prophets and outright idolatry. If you are so soaked up by your worship of them so you cannot even think of much else then it is idolatry beyond doubt. Personally I prefer to keep it at minimum. I recognize the prophets and messengers and respect their efforts, but not much more than that and I doubt they would have asked for more either if they knew. I have a certain love I suppress as I do not want to favorize anyone of them, but from a ladder of favorite rank Muhammad is not the first. Both Jesus and Abraham would come before him and perhaps also Moses, but I idolize none of them.
Compared to what certain people say, I think that the people who became messengers or prophets were excelled to that rank not through wishful thinking, but by devout service and hard work with commitment. It could be anyone of us who was very dutiful in service to God. Sometimes messengers or prophets become that due to a promise from a prayer of someone before them like their mother or father, but they are all still tested like everyone else and there have been failures among subsequent offspring along the bloodlines which had a history of such devout people.
But messengers can come from any bloodline, it has no real relevance and who knows; perhaps a righteous servant gets chosen to be messenger from this era?
Have faith
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I have a certain love I suppress as I do not want to favorize anyone of them, but from a ladder of favorite rank Muhammad is not the first. Both Jesus and Abraham would come before him and perhaps also Moses, but I idolize none of them.
Yeah, I also try to respect them all and try not to make one become special over the others, inshaAllah.
However, to be honest, if I can have my favorite list of the prophets, then I suppose my favorite is prophet John (Yahya) and then his father, prophet Zechariah (Zakariya).
"Yahya" is truly a beautiful name. )
Salm.
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One can have personal favourites, but to say that any one is better than others is not qur'an but against Qur'an. My favourite prophets Maryam, Yusuf, Muhammad, but they are not above others nor below. There are no ranks in prophethood in the Qur'an, but each has his or her specific mission. The showing of how 3isa is better than Muhammad or Musa, which many people do, or whatever is distasteful and to me it smacks of centrain revanchism.
Salaam
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There are no ranks in prophethood in the Qur'an, but each has his or her specific mission.
Salam alaykum, sister.
Actually, there are ranks among the prophets (i.e. who are also the messengers) of God. We find this explicitly mentioned in 2253. But what we should bear in mind is that, those ranks are ONLY with God, and it is not for us to determine or say who has a higher rank than whom.
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We have made some of these messengers to excel the others among them are they to whom God spoke, and some of them He exalted by rank / degrees; and We gave clear miracles to Jesus son of Mary, and strengthened him with the Holy spirit. And if God had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if God had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but God brings about what He intendsTherefore, it is clear that some messengers excelled others and others were exalted in rank.
Regards.
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Therefore, it is clear that some messengers excelled others and others were exalted in rank.
Salamun alaikum.
Not as clear as you make it sound brother. There is a valid alternative understanding of the verse which I find more acceptable. Per my humble understanding - in the verse you quoted (2253), Qur'an is telling us (the readers of Qur'an) who are the messengers. It gives 3 cases for messengers
- With some of them Allah spoke,
- With some of them Allah did not speak - but they were raised in rank from their fellow people in some manner - may be in terms of wisdom / authority / character etc.
- Jesus, son of Mary - was a special case whom Allah favored by providing clear signs and strengthening by the holy spirit.
So, as you cane see in point 2 - I am reading the messengers were raised in rank from their fellow people or contemporaries - not necessarily from other messengers. In fact if we interpret this verse to understand some messengers were indeed raised in rank from other messengers - that does not tell us much about who the messengers were - which is the key proposition of the first part of the verse.. "Those are the messengers..." Most importantly if the rank is only with Allah - and we don't need to bother about it - then there is no point of mentioning it for us, is there? Imagine you are describing "Tigers" - in your description you say, "Some tigers are stronger than others - this doesn't tell much about the tigers, right? But if you say "Tigers are stronger than other animals in the forest" that gives some information about the tigers. My hunch is the traditional interpretation, which you are referring, was invented and popularized by the same people who are desperate to somehow try to find a Qur'anic justification to glorify one messenger (i.e. Muhammad pbh) over the others.
I know I cannot prove my interpretation is the best... so if you find it more reasonable to understand the verse to say messengers had varying ranks with Allah you are entitled to have your view. At the end we all return to Allah and He is the best judge who ranks where. I however prefer the interpretation that some messengers were raised in rank from their contemporaries - and I find this interpretation more in line with the fundamental directive of Qur'an or not differing among the messengers.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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The major difference is that all the Messengers were for specific nation and for specific time frame. The distinction of being Universal Messenger for the entire humanity till the last day is with only one. I recognize, honour, and rever all the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted, whether I am told their names or notm, because the Universal Messenger has confirmed and authenticated them
And they used to say amongst themselves "Should we must become abandoners of our various iela'aha gods, deities for a delusional poet?"
No, they falsely slander; he is neither possessed nor a poet, the fact is that he has come with a Miscellany of Proven-Absolute Facts Grand Qur'aan.
And he-Muhammad has since verbally affirmed-authenticated all those who were sent as Messengers to various nations in timeline.Muna'fi'qeen have problem only with the Last Messenger for which reason they are placed in the lowest part of the Hell-Prison despite their claim of faith.
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I consider important indeed to make it clear that we consider all prophets, those whose name we know and those whose name we do not know on a pair and even as a unit, and that the fact that Mhammad is called khatam is to underscore that all prophets come under the same union of prophethoo, provided their teachings stand the contrast with the Qur'an. All are a mercy to humankind and all deserve allegiance and respect.
Salaam
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I consider important indeed to make it clear that we consider all prophets, those whose name we know and those whose name we do not know on a pair and even as a unit, and that the fact that Mhammad is called khatam is to underscore that all prophets come under the same union of prophethoo, provided their teachings stand the contrast with the Qur'an. All are a mercy to humankind and all deserve allegiance and respect.
Salaam
That is the difference between the true believers and other believers in God, like Jews, christians, Imposter believers.
It is a certain fact that We had distinguished them as the purest and the sincerest; exclusive example for repeated mentioning in the World.
And this is a fact that they are in Our judgment certainly the best choice, Elite above others, they are perpetually the best.
And they all without exception shall remain perpetually the Best Persons.
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They constitute exclusively a Unique Group, distinct and exalted from all members of rational species. We are not given the exact number of Men who are the Members of this Unique Group. However, we are informed that Allah the Exalted has granted distinction to some Members of this Group upon its other Members.
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And fact remains that We have granted unique distinction-peculiarity-individuality to some of the Chosen, Dignified and Exalted Sincere Allegiants upon some others.Can a person of ordinary prudence think of more conspicuous distinction of a Member of this Unique Group than him who is declared "The Authenticating Accomplisher of those who are declared Chosen, Dignified and Elevated Sincere Allegiants of Allah the Exalted."?
The Authenticating Accomplisher of those who are declared Chosen, Dignified and Exalted Sincere Allegiants of Allah the Exalted.
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Mazhar,
I find that you truly work hard to shine excessive light on the prophet Muhammad. To the extent that you insert words and then put verse numbers there as to misguide people into worship of him.
And you complain about my innocent attempt at simply correcting words that are wrong
Do you not see your double standard?
And also you put words in God's "mouth" when you talk about people and say they will end up in the lowest put of Hell. It is surely not you who will put them there in the first place. Inform about the decree and leave the final judgment to God.
Can you not find more words to glorify Muhammad? Why not take the opportunity to call him god as well!? It looks like that is the direction you would like to see it.
Reverence is a very strong word and it can be taken equal to worship. Why not say worship Muhammad too while we are at it so that the evil is complete?
You do not have to say god about Muhammad to make him god, you know.
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Mazhar,
I find that you truly work hard to shine excessive light on the prophet Muhammad. To the extent that you insert words and then put verse numbers there as to misguide people into worship of him.
And you complain about my innocent attempt at simply correcting words that are wrong
Do you not see your double standard?
And also you put words in God's "mouth" when you talk about people and say they will end up in the lowest put of Hell. It is surely not you who will put them there in the first place. Inform about the decree and leave the final judgment to God.
Can you not find more words to glorify Muhammad? Why not take the opportunity to call him god as well!? It looks like that is the direction you would like to see it.
Reverence is a very strong word and it can be taken equal to worship. Why not say worship Muhammad too while we are at it so that the evil is complete?
You do not have to say god about Muhammad to make him god, you know.
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YUSUFALI And as one who invites to Allah's (grace) by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light. PICKTHAL And as a summoner unto Allah by His permission, and as a lamp that giveth light. SHAKIR And as one inviting to Allah by His permission, and as a light-giving torch.And We have sent you as the Inviter who invites people towards Allah the Exalted with His prior permission.
And We have sent you as a Figure of Unique Prominence with characteristic feature of reflector of Visible Light illuminator and sustainer of the Life.So what? He returned back to God over 1000 years ago and the words we have here are God's, right? Or do you think that they were his and not of the One who sent him? Now it is God's word that guides us and not Muhammad, because Muhammad is no longer here to guide by God's leave anymore you know. Like I already said "Stop living in the past; stop living in the yesterday".
Or do you claim that you have a "magic" link to Muhammad right here, right now?
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I reject completely both extremes, the one that makes of the preophets and of any particular prophet a kind of amulet or juju, and the one which needs to put prophets or some particular prophet in his place and punish him because the other extreme has played wrongly on his prophethood. Prophets, purified by the most divine light, are beyond those squabbles of warring "believers". They came to serve mankind, they served mankind, they may be serving mankind, they can do without the cult or discult of any would be followers or reformers. They know they are only God's just like that human kind that they came to serve, one with God.
We like better this or that prophet, personal liking, but faithful we are faithful to all, they all were examples to be followed, and taught the lessons they were given to teach, they were not donkeys carrying a load of books, but pure souls who voluntarily served others disregarding their own wants and need, because their love for God and their belief in God was extreme.
Mazhar han stick his Capital Men as if God had wherever he finds a proper place. God did not forbid to Himself to send whoever He choses to teach the lessons He wants to teach when He wants. Maryam, as per Qur'an was a prophet and those who disregard belief in His prophets they know what God says. That most prophets mentionned in the Qur'an were men, underscores the fact that many more men than women are very unwilling learners of the lessons God wants us to learn, for reasons which are obvious. Therefore God sent men, over and over and over, and by the look of things He would need tos end still a few thosand more. Because the "gentlement" still believe that prophethood for males is a kind of distinction and not an idictment of their behaviour.
All this said with all due respect for those males who instead of following the world, to which everything pushes them, choose to follow service and humility. My most sincere respect to them. I have known that in my family and nothing can match the pure love of a believing male who acts accordingly and therefore I have no qualms in rejecting male roguishness and malehood. On the contrary, more reason to not accept the garbage of delusion that other males have of themselves and of their values. They demean their sex.
We believe in all of them, in all of the prophets, without distinction.
Salaam
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So what? He returned back to God over 1000 years ago and the words we have here are God's, right? Or do you think that they were his and not of the One who sent him? Now it is God's word that guides us and not Muhammad, because Muhammad is no longer here to guide by God's leave anymore you know. Like I already said "Stop living in the past; stop living in the yesterday".
Or do you claim that you have a "magic" link to Muhammad right here, right now?
How naive!
I responded to this remarkI find that you truly work hard to shine excessive light on the prophet Muhammad.
I quoted the Ayah and the proclamation of Allah the Exalted on the subject of shining light.
Your advice is quite interesting
"Stop living in the past; stop living in the yesterday".It is only with reference to when it is about the elevated Messenger sas. Otherwise you are also living in the past since this Book Qur'aan is also of past. More than half of the Book is either addressed to him, advises him to say this or that to people, or talks about him.
You are not sure whom this Book Qur'aan was given and who was he who passed on this Book to people reaching in my and your hands, and you mention him in manner reflective of disrespect feelings in heart like this
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Mazhar,
Yes. The book Quran is also of the past, but the decree is something that is active through time. It is still God who is teaching and not Muhammad, particularly now when he is also no longer here to relay information.
If you do not know a man's name what should you do? Well, personally I think his name was Muhammad. And mostly when I write "or whatever his name was" is to reserve myself from comments from people like mmkhan. It is not a matter of disrespect at all. I do not disrespect Muhammad. He was a devout servant of God and that I regard highly.
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Mazhar,
Yes. The book Quran is also of the past, but the decree is something that is active through time. It is still God who is teaching and not Muhammad, particularly now when he is also no longer here to relay information.
If you do not know a man's name what should you do? Well, personally I think his name was Muhammad. And mostly when I write "or whatever his name was" is to reserve myself from comments from people like mmkhan. It is not a matter of disrespect at all. I do not disrespect Muhammad. He was a devout servant of God and that I regard highly.
I hope you take this also as decree that is active through time
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You the Messenger Muhammad pronounce "If you people have been loving Allah the Exalted;
Then to demonstrate and prove it you consciously and heartily follow me in letter and spirit without in between there being a third party intervention and influence.If you acted accordingly, Allah the Exalted will in response-reciprocally love-appreciate and acknowledge you people.
Moreover, He the Exalted will overlook and grant forgiveness for you people for your earlier wrong-doings.
Remember, Allah the Exalted is The Forgiving-Overlooking and the Merciful".We must know the name of the person, the pronoun Ya signifies, who is asking us to follow him in letter and spirit to get the reciprocal love of Allah the Exalted. If we follow the decree, we must ideologically believe we are following him in letter and spirit.
Yes we must regard him utmost.
Allah the Exalted now "loves" people only conditionally
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Mazhar,
I follow God in letter and spirit for it was God that inspired the words to be relayed by Muhammad. His words were not his own but of the one who sent him.
Do you not see that you outright idolize Muhammad? Why? Have you not seen that fallacy been done before and now you repeat their mistake?
I am surprised about someone who claims to be so skilled in Arabic and interpretation missed some important lessons about the matter of the decree.
And once again you post a translation of a passage with inserted words not there in the original Arabic text. Muhammad told people to follow him in the decree and teachings of God just as the messengers of past did. I could as well follow Jesus just as much as Muhammad and it is in the decree and judgment of God that I am told to follow when it is to follow a prophet or messenger.
And what Muhammad told is recorded in the book you call Quran so you have what you need to serve God and follow the way Muhammad served The Master or how Abraham or how Moses, or how God wants you to serve more precisely. You live your own life and not copycat someone else's life.