Free Speech.
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Yes Warda, agree with you, this is
BS, BS, BS !!! Translation "BULLSHIT", for those like myself who a short time ago didn't know what BS meant...
What's a jew? What's a muslim? Freedom I believe in, but not so called free-speech if it's goal is to promote hatred between people.
Salaam, Elke
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Yes Warda, agree with you, this is
BS, BS, BS !!! Translation "BULLSHIT", for those like myself who a short time ago didn't know what BS meant...
What's a jew? What's a muslim? Freedom I believe in, but not so called free-speech if it's goal is to promote hatred between people.
Salaam, Elke
Peace Elke,
"If we ever came to the point where every one has the same "official" point of vue and we start condamming those that diverge or question, we would really be astray."
Peace.
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Peace truth,
"If we ever came to the point where every one has the same "official" point of vue and we start condamming those that diverge or question, we would really be astray."
I agree with you 100 % on that. !
But I just keep in mind that we should "speak to people in the nicest possible manner so that may be your enemy might become your best friend"(some verse from quran).
What I saw (I visited only shortly) of this site is rather pointing not to constructive discussion, but polemics. This recurrent "jewish conspiracy" theory feels especially outrageous to me because I'm German and you know what happended in my country on the basis of this BS. Now don't misunderstand, I'm neither pro nor anti-jew even though I define myself as opposed to israeli official policy and it is also true that some people would define me as an anti-semite only because of my opposition to this israeli policy... But generalisation and judging people by their belonging to a group is unacceptable to me and that is what this "birdman" will lead other people to do, just as faithfreedom delivers hate against muslims in general. I'm not more for "official" points of view than you are, but yes there is a right to free-speech, and yes, I have the freedom not to accept the manner in which some present their arguments.
Elke
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Peace Elke, Truth, all
What I saw (I visited only shortly) of this site is rather pointing not to constructive discussion, but polemics. This recurrent "jewish conspiracy" theory feels especially outrageous to me because I'm German and you know what happended in my country on the basis of this BS. Now don't misunderstand, I'm neither pro nor anti-jew even though I define myself as opposed to israeli official policy and it is also true that some people would define me as an anti-semite only because of my opposition to this israeli policy... But generalisation and judging people by their belonging to a group is unacceptable to me and that is what this "birdman" will lead other people to do, just as faithfreedom delivers hate against muslims in general. I'm not more for "official" points of view than you are, but yes there is a right to free-speech, and yes, I have the freedom not to accept the manner in which some present their arguments
Exactly, Elke I agree 100% with you! I subscribe here every word!
The Jewish Question
An essential part of the survival strategy of the Thorny-Headed Worm (above right) and certain other parasites is to make its host stupid and foolhardy.
(taken from Birdman )
How do you call this? free speech or dull stupid antisemitism?
Peace
warda -
The Jewish Question
An essential part of the survival strategy of the Thorny-Headed Worm (above right) and certain other parasites is to make its host stupid and foolhardy.
(taken from Birdman )
How do you call this? free speech or dull stupid antisemitism?
Peace
wardaDear warda,
The thorny headed worm is an analogy and this literary device is used by all thinkers - he's putting forward the stupidity of the people who can't recognise the problem. He actually acknowledges the greater IQ overall of Jewish people over the average population and puts forward good arguments as to why people should think about the issue. You have obviously just skimmed over the site - further reading will show you that there are arguments that really need answers.
Also he says to his detractors - don't ask whether I am anti-semitic, ask whether I am right.
It's not a hate site like you might think - it raises some of the most pertinent questions in relation to the Jewish question without promoting racial hatred. He criticises organised Jewry rather than Jewish people.
Regards.
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Peace truth,
"If we ever came to the point where every one has the same "official" point of vue and we start condamming those that diverge or question, we would really be astray."
I agree with you 100 % on that. !
Peace Elke,
I hope you realised that I was just quoting you directly from another post
I understand the position Germans have had to take on this for over 50 years of constantly being reminded how terrible they were etc. The shoa-business that organised Jewry is conducting is like an albatross around the necks of the German people.
If it was not for the hundreds of billions of Deutsch marks that have gone to Israel courtesy of the German taxpayer/economy the Israelis would have collapsed long ago.
Think about this fact - you are allowed in all western countries to deny the existence of God - but you are not even allowed to QUESTION the details of the holocaust. Think about that carefully.
As a German - think - if you want to know who your master is then ask whom you cannot criticise. That way you'll know how far over the barrell you are. This is not about antisemitism - it's about truth.
Think.
Regards.
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Peace Oben,
Very well said.
I've had a life long german education and lived for about 8 years in germany and that's why I can understand german "obsession" against any critic regarding this matter. Sometimes they can not distinguish between critic against israel and organized jewry on a side and ordinary jewish people on the other side.
Best regards,
sabo -
Peace all
truth
I hope you realised that I was just quoting you directly from another post
No, I didn't ! lol
Now to being a German I did grow up with all this guilt, yes, but I did grow out of it...During my first year of studying in France, 20 years ago, I had to do an expos? on the conflict opposing the state of israel and the palestinians. This was the first time I made a research on my own on this question and it changed my view completely. Afterwards, I did have a real hard time at this university...
What I don't accept is the manner of presenting information birdman wants to shock - which makes people react with emotions - not the best manner to promote understanding. The reaction Warda had, as well as I, is one you'll get from roughly 80% of readers half of them might be shocked, half of them might agree with birdmann. But this is not constructive. I'd rather have an approach based on facts and figures - and let the people draw their own conclusions...
Same for faithfreedom. A lot of things that are said there about muslims are or at least seem true, especially if you are the average "non-muslim" - but it still is a hate site.
And please stop telling me that I should think. Sounds patronizing to me...
To sabo
Sometimes they can not distinguish between critic against israel and organized jewry on a side and ordinary jewish people on the other side.
Absolutely sabo, but sites such as birdman don't help in this matter for the above cited reasons.
Elke
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Peace
its naive, imo, to ignore the 'tone-of-voice' which this site exhibits. The 'dont ask if I'm racist ask if I'm right' tag line is a smokescreen. You cant seperate an opinion from the way it is expressed...its a fundemental fact of human communication.
I hate what israel does.... but birdman doesnt go about Israel he goes on about JEWS - like they were some homogenous evil...
on another thread someone posted some song lyrics showing how the west demonises muslims/arabs/anybody its fighting by denying their complexity and reducing all their actions to an display of 'evil'.
the birdman site does the same thing about JEWS and as such is piece of racism which muslims should reject.
Sabo, Buzz, Truth - peace - but I'm am in firm disagreement with you over this one.
salaams
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Peace all,
Im in agreement that the use of 'shock value' in the site isn't the best way to present an argument, and I agree that as asdfjk said, Birdman tries to pass off Jews as homogenous evil, also, I dont agree, I if I have understood correctly, his views on 'white' people being superior, as the success of 'white' people in the West is not due to biological superiority, but political and physical climate, and I wonder how such an intelligent person as Birdman cant see the differnce between skin tone and culture, and how he seems to be incapable of seperating them, and thinks culture is hereditary. trust me, I've met enough stupid white people to know!
apart from those points, its a very valauble site, for its content on free - speech, and birdman put acroos an intriguing argument about critisism, and its value in society;
If You Want to Know Where the Power Lies, Then Ask Whom you Cannot Criticize. --Kevin Strom
I passed over this site in about a day, as thats about all its worth, onto reading up on some Emannuel Kant (sp). both people have done some interesting work, which we, as servants of The God could benefit from.
Peace
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Dear warda,
The thorny headed worm is an analogy and this literary device is used by all thinkers - he's putting forward the stupidity of the people who can't recognise the problem. He actually acknowledges the greater IQ overall of Jewish people over the average population and puts forward good arguments as to why people should think about the issue. You have obviously just skimmed over the site - further reading will show you that there are arguments that really need answers.Also he says to his detractors - don't ask whether I am anti-semitic, ask whether I am right.
It's not a hate site like you might think - it raises some of the most pertinent questions in relation to the Jewish question without promoting racial hatred. He criticises organised Jewry rather than Jewish people.
Regards.
Dear Truth,
The thorny headed worm is supposed to be the Jewry parasite, right or not? Even if he acknowledges the greater IQ overall of Jewish people over the average population (which is actually just another stereotype), it is purest Nazi-propaganda and racism. He is degrading Jews to a parasite worm ? how shall I call this???
I?ve read the page ? and not only once since I wondered and wanted to find out what you like so much about it. It is obvious that English is not my mother language, (it is German) but I think that my English is good enough to understand this kind of crap.
he's putting forward the stupidity of the people who can't recognise the problem
What is the problem? The dirty Jewish worm in the pure poor Western Society? What is the Jewish question? Why is it a question at all and for who?
And what is organized Jewry? Every Jewish community has to be organized somehow, just as the Muslims do. Now, whenever there are more than 50 organized Jews it becomes a threat to the world?
I don?t believe in such things like Jewish world conspiracy. Sure, there is a Jewish lobby in the States, and yes, they do their best to help Israel. But that?s it. Not more and not less. Everywhere in the world you can find alliances for or against a country. This is politics. But as long as they?re not Jews, nobody cares too much about it. We can fight it politically, we have to reveal the unfairness in the treatment of the Israelis and the Palestinians, but let?s do it on a human developed level without falling backwards to the scheme where Jews are evil parasitic worms. So I agree here with Elke when she sais I'd rather have an approach based on facts and figures - and let the people draw their own conclusions...And to make this clear I am absolutely against Israels policy of occupation, discrimination, of war and state terror against Palestinians. However, we don?t discuss Israel but anti-Semitism.
And now I would like to say something on that one
I understand the position Germans have had to take on this for over 50 years of constantly being reminded how terrible they were etc. The shoa-business that organised Jewry is conducting is like an albatross around the necks of the German people.
Where do you get this from? This is a statement, which gives me a creep Shoa-business of organised Jewry?Do you know what you are saying? Which Jewry organization after WWII was able to built up the ?Shoa-business?? There was hardly anybody left from hundreds of thousands of people.
Now the few who survived the camps more dead than alive and who stayed in Germany they didn?t talk about their experiences. The revolting Christian Atheistic German youth of the late 60s asked their parents about that horrible crime they committed. In the late 60s Germany and the Germans started to think about their past. , very slowly the interest increased, witnesses of both sides started to talk, and movies were shown. Actually it was an American movie ?Holocaust? which woke up the common sense for what they did to others.
Therefore, since 35 years there is a strong movement to find the truth ? not only about the Shoa but about the war and occupation of land as well as the Nazi Ideology as a whole ? and to uphold the memory of these years of unique horror. And I personally welcome this attitude to their own history a lot.See, if, for example, the US doesn?t do that kind of work regarding the genocide of the Native Americans or the Slavery ? it is their fault, they ought to do so. If France and GB doesn?t do so regarding their crimes as in Algeria or any other colonized country ? it is their fault, they ought to do so, too. And when the Russians never discuss the time of Stalinism where Millions died as well ? then they are wrong. And so on and so forth?. It is not the Germans who are wrong in remembering that they occupied half of Europe and killed masses of innocent people. It is not the poor Germans who have to suffer from remembering their own cruelty.
If it was not for the hundreds of billions of Deutsch marks that have gone to Israel courtesy of the German taxpayer/economy the Israelis would have collapsed long ago.
Maybe, don?t know about that.
Think about this fact - you are allowed in all western countries to deny the existence of God - but you are not even allowed to QUESTION the details of the holocaust. Think about that carefully.
After I thought about it carefully, I ask you What happens in Germany or somewhere else when you question a DETAIL of the Holocaust? Answer Nothing. You may do so. It may only happen something when you deny the Holocaust as a whole.
The Holocaust is not something to believe in or not. It happened, and it was then when the first and only time in human history factories were built for the one and only reason to kill masses of people.As a German - think - if you want to know who your master is then ask whom you cannot criticise. That way you'll know how far over the barrell you are. This is not about antisemitism - it's about truth.
As a German I can tell you that my master has nothing to do with ?organized Jewry?.
And Germans are not only able to criticise whatever and whomever they want, they in fact do criticize current German politics regarding WW II. Unfortunately, there are still some hundreds or thousands who wish the old days back and still or again see the ?organized Jewry? as a worm. You can see them marching through the streets from time to time, and nothing happens as long as they keep up certain rules.So, sorry, what you stated above is not about truth - but it is antisemitism.
And the Web page of Mr. Birdman is in fact promoting racial hatred.Peace for everybody
warda