Salat
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Peace to all.
Aminah that's quite an interesting post.
The source that you reffered to is based solely on Sufism, which is still interesting to read, do you think that those emotions or characteristics that the Prophets had can be sourced from The Quran?
I mean referring to Prophet Muhammed as having arrogance and pride, could you clarify?
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IMO Allah is not a Sectarian God
and does not give Muslims a religion (rituals) in order to be a Sectarian GodSalamun alaykum.
Appointing rites and rituals does NOT in any way make Allah a sectarian Allah. It is for our own benefit only if you knew. You are probably looking at the deen through the lens of the 21st century. We are the people of the modern era, with knowledge of science and technology, hence we do not need any rituals like the people of the old, right?
Those who uphold the time-scheduled salat by bowing and prostrating with humility in their hearts, remembering Allah alone without calling unto prophet Muhammad or any other prophets (pbut), and without engaging into any kind of shirk, are indeed spiritually better and more purified than those who do not. IT IS A FACT AND YOU CANNOT DENY THIS. THEY ARE GLORIFYING AND SEEKING THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH MORE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER THAN THOSE WHO DENY THE TIME-SCHEDULED SALAT.
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Allah is not a sectarian, the disbelievers and hypocrites make Allah a sectarian. .
and look at the following, do you sincerely believe Allah command Muslim to fast in the month Ramadhan ? laugh
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This is stupidity. . . therefore,
Fasting . . .therefore,
Pillars of Islam ? . . .therefore,
Shahada as a condition to become Muslim
Salat
Zakat
Hajjall the religious interpretation of Islam.
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It is for our own benefit only if you knew.
There are millions and trillions of other things that benefit us, but it is not in the Quran.
So why now it is so dramatic ?. . .
You are probably looking at the deen through the lens of the 21st century. We are the people of the modern era, with knowledge of science and technology, hence we do not need any rituals like the people of the old, right?
I'm looking the deen form the lens of Allah the "Ahad", Oneness, and a universal system of life for all human beings. . .
and not from the God who think and act like a man. . .
not from some "imaginary God" who saySunni dies and enter the Shia's hell
Shia dies and enter the Sunni's hell
Muslim dies and enter both the Jews and Christian's hell
Christian dies and enter both the Jews and Muslim's hell
Jews dies and enter both the Christian and Muslim's hell . . . and so on.. . .
Those who uphold the time-scheduled salat by bowing and prostrating with humility in their hearts, remembering Allah alone without calling unto prophet Muhammad or any other prophets (pbut), and without engaging into any kind of shirk, are indeed spiritually better and more purified than those who do not. IT IS A FACT AND YOU CANNOT DENY THIS. THEY ARE GLORIFYING AND SEEKING THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH MORE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER THAN THOSE WHO DENY THE TIME-SCHEDULED SALAT.
You must be kidding, we are discussing about salat and there are millions of people who are performing salat and at the same time committing crimes, corruptions, bribery, cause disunity and burned people alive, misused zakat and sadaqah money for themselves or some huge projects etc. . . . some of them rape their own daughter, torturing their wife, don't work and live on their wife's income etc. . .
"..(ritual) salat prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945) ?
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Yes, I would also like some clearer explanation of this capital sins and the he relationship the poster estblishes between them and the prophets. Hints at something but is not properly explained.
Bold Indeed.
I think that passage is only guesswork. I don't understand why she/he put such baseless information about prophets. It's quite annoying for me if people said something unappropriate about the prophets of Allah. I know the prophets are not infallible humans, but I think we should be careful (should not be careless) if we need to say something about them, that's part of our respect to them.
On the other hand there is no doubt that if as-salaa consists of physical movements those movements must have some usefulness or benefit.
Sister, did you read brother MoF's newest proposition about Salat?
In here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.470, please take a look at Reply #479.
And also Reply #485, here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.480
What do you think if Salat is actually doesn't have any relation with contact prayer?
Whether you're open for such possibility?
Personally I feel that postration gives a feeling a marvellous feeling of seclusion of pleasant enclosedness, of peace... so I do not doubt that there is some purpose or meanign to those movements and postures.
I also like the moment of prostration. )
It seems that I can feel secure feeling by doing prostration with humbleness before God.
*But I don't think that I can feel similar thing if I prostrate among many people, such as in mosque.
Looks like I have problem to concentrate in crowd.I suppose doing prayer and prostration regularly (in peaceful place) will be good for soul, perhaps those are kind of 'nutrition' for human soul.
However, related with Salat, I think that Salat probably means something else than regular prayer.
Salm.
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Peace,
I also like the moment of prostration.
It seems that I can feel secure feeling by doing prostration with humbleness before God.
I suppose doing prayer and prostration regularly will be good for soul, perhaps those are kind of 'nutrition' for human soul.
But, sister, related with Salat, I think that Salat probably means something else than regular prayer.
Salm.
Absolutely nothing is forbidden in case of showing affection to God in your home or elsewhere if that is what you like. Giving an emotional expression to a prayer to God occurs in more than only the sect Islam. But we may be warned against using it as a way to show our piety to people like pride and also say that it is commanded by God, and we better not turn things into a Pagan ritualism. That draws people away from God for sure.
Have faith
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You must be kidding, we are discussing about salat and there are millions of people who are performing salat and at the same time committing crimes, corruptions, bribery, cause disunity and burned people alive, misused zakat and sadaqah money for themselves or some huge projects etc. . . . some of them rape their own daughter, torturing their wife, don't work and live on their wife's income etc. . .
"..(ritual) salat prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945) ?
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warning very disturbed image 2They all perform 5 daily prayers. . . and that's also a fact, your say ?
Salam alaykum.
When did I say their salats are being established appropriately? They idolize prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in their salat. They have exchanged the Quran with the books of Bukhari, Muslim etc. They do not study the Quran themselves, but blindly follow their peers, sheikhs and forefathers.
I was simply talking about those believers who establish their salat from the guidance of the Quran alone and live through the rules, commandments and teachings of the Quran alone without associating any partners with Allah; those who use their God-gifted intellect and do not follow the herd mentality of the masses.
Regards.
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When did I say their salats are being established appropriately? They idolize prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in their salat. They have exchanged the Quran with the books of Bukhari, Muslim etc. They do not study the Quran themselves, but blindly follow their peers, sheikhs and forefathers.
So you are saying their salat are all wrong and rejected by Allah simply because they follow the hadith and idolize prophet Muhammad in their salat etc, ie. more than 1 billion people on earth. . . .
Can you guarantee their salat are all rejected by Allah?
c.f. They are not all the same
from the people of the Book are a nation that is upright <- they don't follow the Quran at all
they recite the revelations of God during the night hours and they prostrate
They believe in God and the Last Day
and order kindness and prohibit vice
and they hasten in goodness
these are of the good doers.
And what they do of good will not be turned back
and God is aware of the righteous.
3115-117. . .
and where did you get your solat ? Is it 100% free from the hadith ?
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IMO this is a clear example of the Sectarian God. . .
p.s. you ignore the other core issue I have raised on the validity of the Pillars of Islam.
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So you are saying their salat are all wrong and rejected by Allah simply because they follow the hadith and idolize prophet Muhammad in their salat etc, ie. more than 1 billion people on earth. . . .
Can you guarantee their salat are all rejected by Allah?
c.f. They are not all the same
from the people of the Book are a nation that is upright <- they don't follow the Quran at all
they recite the revelations of God during the night hours and they prostrate
They believe in God and the Last Day
and order kindness and prohibit vice
and they hasten in goodness
these are of the good doers.
And what they do of good will not be turned back
and God is aware of the righteous.
3115-117. . .
and where did you get your solat ? Is it 100% free from the hadith ?
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IMO this is a clear example of the Sectarian God. . .
p.s. you ignore the other core issue I have raised on the validity of the Pillars of Islam.
Salam alaykum.
If a Christian says he follows the Bible, and at the same time believes Jesus (pbuh) is Allah, will anything from him be accepted?From a Quranic perspective, it won't be accepted.
Now, if Muslims establish salat and simultaneously commit non-stop shirk, will their salat be accepted? Again, from a Quranic perspective, it won't be accepted.
And the burden of proof is upon you to prove me that siyam is not about fasting, and salat is not about time-scheduled linking/connecting with Allah. I have 40 different translations by 40 different translators (which includes Quran-alone translators) whose understanding regarding salat and siyam is corresponding to mine. So the burden of proof is upon you to show us clearly that their translations are wrong, why they are wrong, and how they should be translated. And then provide us with your translations of all those passages using valid source of reference.
Until you cannot do this, please do not ask anyone to follow your system.
To you your system, and to me is mine.
Best regards.
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Peace,
What if all those 40 translations are erroneous?
Humans have a tendency of just blindly following, not exactly critically evaluating something at the expense of both reason and logic.
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If a Christian says he follows the Bible, and at the same time believes Jesus (pbuh) is Allah, will anything from him be accepted?From a Quranic perspective, it won't be accepted.
Now, if Muslims establish salat and simultaneously commit non-stop shirk, will their salat be accepted? Again, from a Quranic perspective, it won't be accepted.
Sorry, I don't believe in your Sectarian God, the God who only support your view.
The God who only accept your prayers, and rejected the prayers of more than 1 billion Muslim.
and I have give you verse (3115-117). . which as usual, you ignore. . .and ignore.. . .
And the burden of proof is upon you to prove me that siyam is not about fasting,
Why should I prove? I don't believe fasting is from Allah. . .
and I don't believe in God who does not noticed that the earth is a sphere. laugh
You want me to believe, then it is your burden of proof to show why your God does not notice that the earth is a sphere. . . and that your God wishes people to fast for 22 hours a day, with 2 hours to break their fast, perform Maghrib, Isha and tarawih prayers, and then prepare for the next fasting day. . . IMO this is nonsense, and I don't believe in that God, sorry.
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and salat is not about time-scheduled linking/connecting with Allah.
Again . . why it is my burden of proof when there is nothing that say about salat from A to Z, while at the same time the Quran says "DO NOT ASK" what's not in the Quran ? Do you realize the consequences of ignoring the "DO NOT" commands from the Quran ?
O you who believe, DO NOT ASK about things which,
if revealed to you, would harm you;
and if you ask about them after the Qur'an has been sent down,
then they will become clear to you.
God pardons for them, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
5.101and in fact, I have showed that the Pillars of Islam is fake . .
Therefore, show me verses from the Quran that tells how to salat from A to Z.
If you cannot show from verses of the Quran, then why you are making compulsory for more than 1 billion Muslims when Allah have not explained it in the Quran ?- Please also remember that you cannot explain from the hadith. .
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To you your system, and to me is mine.
Agree. . .
The Arabs are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy
and more likely not to know the limits
of what God has sent upon His messenger
997IMO Pillars of Islam is fake. . . it is from the Arab's Religion , and I don't believe in your Pillars of Islam.
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Peace muslims,
I just say "remember the lesson and improve yourself". That is all. So much for salat.
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IMO watch how the animals went out during the morning and back at the evening. . each have their own duty and contribution to the eco system and overall system of life.
Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies (oneness, assimilate) God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its contact prayer (duty?) and its glorification (oneness, assimilate). And God is fully aware of everything they do. 2441
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That might explain about solat, ie. for Muslim to go out during daylight and actively establish balance in the society. .
perform their duty and service to other human beings. .
benefiting self, family and humanity
so that they can maintain the system for living in peace and harmony
helping each other in anyway they can to succeed in life
so that they can develop the economy and many can sadaqah, establishing real wealth
that lowering bribery, corruption, and prevent crimes rate
makes everyone financially, emotionally and environmentally happy
and thus . . make the society highly motivated for unity, as "one nation". .IMO that is salat. . .
"..salat (performance of duty according to the injunction of the Quran) prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945)
However, I'm still struggling to find the right word to describe all the above. . .
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Salamun alaykum.
Appointing rites and rituals does NOT in any way make Allah a sectarian Allah. It is for our own benefit only if you knew. You are probably looking at the deen through the lens of the 21st century. We are the people of the modern era, with knowledge of science and technology, hence we do not need any rituals like the people of the old, right?
Those who uphold the time-scheduled salat by bowing and prostrating with humility in their hearts, remembering Allah alone without calling unto prophet Muhammad or any other prophets (pbut), and without engaging into any kind of shirk, are indeed spiritually better and more purified than those who do not. IT IS A FACT AND YOU CANNOT DENY THIS. THEY ARE GLORIFYING AND SEEKING THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH MORE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER THAN THOSE WHO DENY THE TIME-SCHEDULED SALAT.
EXACTLY!
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Peace muslims,
Each knows its LESSON (teaching/instruction). You see they already alem (know) it in the phrase.
This is the breakthrough in interpretation of salat that I have been working on for several months. Or would people believe in praying birds?
Have faith
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IMO knowledge alone would be contradicting the following verse. . .
The example of those who were given the Torah
but then failed to uphold it
is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books
Miserable indeed is the example of the people who denied the revelations of God
And God does not guide the wicked people.
62.5. . .
Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? (ie. is referring to the interpretation)
If it was from any other than God
they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
482Therefore, knowledge alone has no significance. . .
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Or would people believe in praying birds?
It is the signs. . . for describing salat.
God does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it.
As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord.
As for the rejecters, they say "What does God intend with this example?"
He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.
2.27unity. . .
Even the birds in formation, each knows its contact prayer and its glorification
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eakKfY5aHmY
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRNqhi2ka9k
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctMty7av0jckneeling and prostrating
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Mohammed (ٌ is the messenger of God
and those who are with him are severe against the rejecters
but merciful between themselves <- severe and merciful is salat ? unity for just vs. unjustYou see them <- just like birds in formation
kneeling
and prostrating
they seek the blessings and approval of God
Their distinction is in their faces, as a result of prostrating. (?)Such is their example in the Torah (REFER HERE)
And their example in the Gospel
is like a plant which shoots out
and becomes strong
and thick and it stands straight on its trunk, pleasing to the farmers.That He may enrage the rejecters with them.
God promises those among them who believe and do good works
a forgiveness and a great reward.
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IMO watch how the animals went out during the morning and back at the evening. . each have their own duty and contribution to the eco system and overall system of life.
Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies (oneness, assimilate) God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its contact prayer (duty?) and its glorification (oneness, assimilate). And God is fully aware of everything they do. 2441
https//encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcSABoKOo2IvsyKXD44AwVFx-f2dhyRMTpQC5V5GlfYhRgAgBlHU https//encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcTYoE3az7burgSVukywqdi0Ge4bXhEIPIdpdPRqxdzJT2rUOpb6 https//encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcSoyirkPbsGRJWZSyz5fAX7sA18ehzDgAh0wakWcBZNk-04jhR0qw
That might explain about solat, ie. for Muslim to go out during daylight and actively establish balance in the society. .
perform their duty and service to other human beings. .
benefiting self, family and humanity
so that they can maintain the system for living in peace and harmony
helping each other in anyway they can to succeed in life
so that they can develop the economy and many can sadaqah, establishing real wealth
that lowering bribery, corruption, and prevent crimes rate
makes everyone financially, emotionally and environmentally happy
and thus . . make the society highly motivated for unity, as "one nation". .IMO that is salat. . .
"..salat (performance of duty according to the injunction of the Quran) prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945)
Beautiful! Now we're talking!
Because afterall, isn't our sole mission in this life to wake up to reality and act properly and right? What else can possibly be important?
We need to wake up, purify ourselves within, and then step by step, work on purifying our surrounding... i.e. to work for peace, understanding, goodness, honesty and unity.I always find it extremely odd when people think that the most important thing in their day is to do the 5xNamaz, in order to receive nourishment and credit. What nourishment? What a self deceiving illusion. How the heck do you get nourishment from 5xNamaz that you can't get from somewhere else? 5xNamaz is actually a selfish act, done to relieve your conscience and earn credit and status from the on-lookers. 5xNamaz is definitely not prohibiting evil and vice. This alone should be enough to rule out 5xNamaz as Solat.
However, I'm still struggling to find the right word to describe all the above. . .
We seem to collectively getting a more and more accurate idea of solat. Let the purification process of the understanding of this concept continue.
Peace muslims, and all.
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5xNamaz is definitely not prohibiting evil and vice. This alone should be enough to rule out 5xNamaz as Solat.
That have wasted my times for so many years, without any benefit. . . and the following verse has no relevancy according to the interpretation of the "religion" of Islam. . .
And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners.
So whoever believes and reforms
there will be no fear concerning them
nor will they grieve.
6.48good tidings ? no fear and grieve ? laugh
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Peace Zulf
I always find it extremely odd when people think that the most important thing in their day is to do the 5xNamaz, in order to receive nourishment and credit. What nourishment? What a self deceiving illusion. How the heck do you get nourishment from 5xNamaz that you can't get from somewhere else? 5xNamaz is actually a selfish act, done to relieve your conscience and earn credit and status from the on-lookers. 5xNamaz is definitely not prohibiting evil and vice. This alone should be enough to rule out 5xNamaz as Solat.
These are my words but the pen is yours giveup