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    Mazhar
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    By serving Allah alone, includes not crossing the limit of serving non Allahs, the worldly pleasure givers.
    we serve none other deities(sun, moon, stars, the king, the messengers, our work, wealth etc) than the only God for not crossing the limit.

    Abolutely vague, revealing nothing.

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      People have not even read the . . .

      First Step

      because they have God, and that's why they are speaking nonsense.

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        Guys and gals,

        Instead of trying to be smart, let's read and be wise

        There is a purpose for each blessed soul on this earth. Living the own personal and authentic as well as original purpose is the service for God. This is the path that a rare soul nowadays walks. Therefore, read all the verses of Koran and see again for yourself how important is for God that his people focus and serve Him, alone and only.

        For Your Reminder

        15 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.

        221 O people, serve your Lord who has created you and those before
        you that you may be righteous.

        283 And We took the covenant of the Children of Israel ?You shall
        not serve except God, and do good to your parents, and regard the
        relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and say kind things to
        the people, and hold the contact prayer, and contribute towards
        purification.? But then you turned away, except for a few of you;
        you were objecting.

        2133 Or were you present when death came to Jacob and he said to
        his sons ?Who shall you serve from after me?? They said ?Your
        god, and the god of your fathers Abraham, and Ishmael, and
        Isaac; One god and to Him we submit.?

        2172 O you who believe, eat from the good things We have provided
        for you, and be thankful to God; if it is Him you serve.

        351 ?God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is a straight path.?

        364 Say ?O people of the Book, let us come to a common understanding
        between us and between you; that we serve none except God,
        and that we do not set up anything with Him, and that none of us
        takes each other as patrons besides God.? If they turn away, then
        say ?Bear witness that we have submitted.?

        436 And serve God and do not set up anything with Him, and do good
        to the parents, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy,
        and the neighbor who is a relative, and the neighbor nearby, and
        the friend nearby, and the wayfarer, and those maintained by
        your oaths. God does not love the arrogant, the boastful.

        572 Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah,
        son of Mary.? And the Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve
        God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets up partners with
        God, then God will restrict the Paradise from him, and his destiny
        will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters.?

        576 Say ?Do you serve other than God what cannot harm you or
        benefit you?? God is the Hearer, the Knower.

        5117 ?I only said to them what You commanded me to say, that you
        shall serve God my Lord and your Lord; and I was witness over
        them as long as I was with them, but when You terminated my
        life, You were watcher over them. You are witness over all things.?

        6102 Such is God, your Lord, there is no god except He; creator of all
        things, so serve Him. And He is Caretaker over all things.

        759 We had sent Noah to his people, so he said ?My people, serve
        God, you have no god besides Him. I fear for you the retribution
        of a great Day!?

        765 And to ?Aad We sent their brother Hud, he said ?My people, serve
        God, you have no god besides Him. Will you not be righteous??

        770 They said ?Have you come to us to serve God alone and abandon
        what our fathers had served? Bring us what you promise if you
        are of the truthful ones!?

        773 And to Thamud, We sent their brother Saleh, he said ?My people,
        serve God, you have no god besides Him; clarity has come to you
        from your Lord, this is the camel of God, in her you have a sign, so
        leave her to eat in God?s earth, and do not harm her, else the painful
        retribution will take you.?

        785 And to Midyan, their brother Shu?ayb, he said ?My people, serve
        God, you have no god besides Him. Clarity has come to you from
        your Lord, so give full weight and measure, and do not hold
        back from the people what belongs to them, and do not make
        corruption on the earth after it has been set right. That is better
        for you if you believe.?

        7206 Those who are at your Lord, they are never too proud to serve
        Him, and they glorify Him, and to Him they yield.

        931 They have taken their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides
        God, and the Messiah, son of Mary, while they were only
        commanded to serve One god, there is no god except He, be He
        glorified against what they set up.

        103 Your Lord is God who has created the heavens and the earth in six
        days, then He settled upon the Throne; He manages all affairs.
        There is no intercessor except after His permission. Such is God
        your Lord, so serve Him. Would you not remember?

        1018 And they serve besides God what does not harm them or benefit
        them, and they say ?These are our intercessors with God.? Say
        ?Are you informing God of what He does not know in the heavens
        or the earth?? Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up.

        1028 And on the Day We gather them all, then We will say to those who
        were polytheists ?Stop where you are, you and your partners,?
        then We will separate between them, and their partners will say
        ?It was not us that you served!?

        1029 ?God is enough as a witness between us and you, that we were
        unaware of you serving us.?

        1030 It is then that every soul will know what it has done, and they
        will be returned to God their true patron, and they have been
        abandoned by that which they had invented.

        10104 Say ?O people, if you are in doubt of my system, then I do not
        serve those whom you serve besides God. But I serve God; the
        One who will terminate your lives; and I have been commanded
        to be of the believers.?

        112 ?That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him
        a warner and a bearer of good news.?

        1125 And We had sent Noah to his people ?I am to you a clear warner!?

        1126 ?That you serve none except God. I fear for you the retribution of
        a painful day.?

        1150 And to ?Aad was sent their brother Hud. He said ?My people,
        serve God, you have no god besides Him; you are simply conjecturing.?

        1161 And to Thamud was their brother Saleh. He said ?O my people,
        serve God, you have no god besides Him. He has established
        you from the earth, and has made you settle in it; so seek His
        forgiveness, then repent to Him. My Lord is Near, Responsive.?

        1184 And to Midyan was their brother Shu?ayb, he said ?My people,
        serve God, you have no god besides Him, and do not give short in
        the measure and the weight. I see you in prosperity, and I fear for
        you the retribution of a day that is surrounding.?

        11109 So do not be in doubt as to what these people serve. They serve
        nothing except what their fathers before them served. We will
        give them their recompense in full.

        11123 And to God is the unseen of the heavens and the earth, and to
        Him all matters return. So serve Him and put your trust in Him.
        Your Lord is not unaware of what you all do.

        1240 ?What you serve besides Him are nothing except names which
        you have created, both you and your fathers, God has not sent
        down any authority for such. The judgment is for none except
        God. He has ordered that none be served except He. That is the
        true system, but most of the people do not know.?

        1599 And serve your Lord until certainty comes to you.

        1635 And those who were polytheists said ?If God had wished, we
        would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor
        our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other
        than from Him.? Those before them did exactly the same thing;
        so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with
        clarity?

        1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation ?You shall serve
        God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and
        some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and
        see how the punishment was of those who denied.

        1673 And they serve besides God that which does not and cannot
        possess anything of the provisions from the heaven or the earth.
        16114 So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and
        lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He
        whom you serve.

        1723 And your Lord decreed that you shall not serve except He, and
        do good to your parents. When one of them or both of them reach
        old age, do not say to them a word of disrespect nor shout at them,
        but say to them a kind saying.

        1816 ?So when you withdraw from them and what they serve besides
        God, seek refuge in the cave, and your Lord will spread His mercy
        upon you and prepare for your problem a solution.?

        18110 Say ?I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your
        god is One god. So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord,
        then let him do good works, and not serve anyone besides his
        Lord.?

        1936 And God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him. This is a
        straight path.

        1941 And recall in the Book, Abraham; he was a man of truth, a prophet.

        1942 When he said to his father ?O father, why do you serve what does
        not hear or see, nor help you in anything??

        1943 ?My father, knowledge has come to me which did not come to
        you. So follow me that I will guide you to a level path.?

        1944 ?My father, do not serve the devil. For the devil was ever disobedient
        to the Almighty.?

        1949 So when he abandoned them and what they served besides God,
        We granted him Isaac and Jacob, and each of them We made a
        prophet.

        1965 ?The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between
        them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know
        anything that is like Him??

        2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the
        contact prayer for My remembrance.?

        2119 And to Him is whoever is in the heavens and on the earth. And
        those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do
        they complain.

        2125 And We did not send any messenger before you except that We
        inspired him that ?There is no god except Me, so serve Me.?

        2166 He said ?Do you serve besides God that which does not benefit
        you at all nor harm you??

        2167 ?I am fed-up of you and to what you serve besides God! Do you
        not comprehend??

        2184 So We answered him, and We removed what was afflicting him,
        and We brought him back his family and others with them as a
        mercy from Us and a reminder to those who serve.

        2192 This is your nation, one nation, and I am your Lord so serve Me.

        2198 Both you and what you serve besides God shall be fuel for Hell;
        you will enter it.

        21105 And We have written in the Psalms ?After the remembrance,
        that the earth will be inherited by My servants who do good.?

        21106 In this is a proclamation for a people who serve.

        2211 And from the people there is he who serves God nervously. So if
        good comes to him, he is content with it; and if an ordeal comes
        to him, he makes an about-face. He has lost this world and the
        Hereafter. Such is the clear loss.

        2271 And they serve besides God what He did not send any authority
        upon, and what they have no knowledge of. And the wicked will
        not have any helper.

        2277 O you who believe, kneel and prostrate and serve your Lord and
        do good that you may succeed.

        2323 And We have sent Noah to his people, so he said ?O my people,
        serve God, you have no other god besides Him. Will you not take
        heed??

        2332 So We sent a messenger to them from among them ?Serve God,
        you have no other god besides Him. Will you not take heed??

        2455 God promises those among you who believe and do good works,
        that He will make them successors on the earth, as He made
        successors of those before them, and He will enable for them their
        system which He has approved for them, and He will substitute
        security for them in place of fear ?That they serve Me, not setting
        up anything with Me.? And as for those who reject after that,
        these are the wicked.

        2517 And on the Day when We gather them together with what they
        served besides God; then He will say ?Did you misguide My
        servants here, or did they stray from the path??

        2555 And they serve besides God what does not benefit them nor harm
        them. And the rejecter is always set-against his Lord.

        2743 And she was prevented by that which she served besides God. She
        was of the people who were rejecters.

        2745 And We have sent to Thamud their brother Saleh ?You shall
        serve God.? But they became two disputing groups.

        2791 ?I have been ordered to serve the Lord of this land that He
        has made restricted, and to Him are all things, and I have been
        ordered to be of those who submit.?

        2916 And Abraham when he said to his people ?Serve God and be
        aware of Him, that is better for you if only you knew.?

        2917 ?You are worshipping nothing except idols besides Him, and you
        are creating fabrications. Those that you worship besides God do
        not possess for you any provision, so seek with God the provision
        and serve Him and be thankful to Him; to Him you will return.?

        2936 And to Midyan was their brother Shu?ayb. He said ?O my
        people, serve God and seek the Last Day, and do not roam the
        earth corrupting.?

        2956 O My servants who believed, My earth is spacious, so serve only
        Me.

        3440 And on the Day when We gather them all, then We will say to the
        angels ?Was it you that these people used to serve??

        3441 They will say ?Be You glorified. You are our Lord, not them.
        No, most of them were serving the Jinn; most were believers to
        them.?

        3622 ?And why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to
        Him is your ultimate return??

        3660 ?Did I not pledge to you, O Children of Adam, that you should
        not serve the devil for he is your most ardent enemy??

        3661 ?And that you should serve Me? That is a straight path.?

        392 We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, so serve God
        while devoting the system to Him.

        393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies
        besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer
        to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For
        God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.

        3911 Say ?I have been commanded to serve God, devoting the system
        to Him.?

        3914 Say ?God is the One I serve, devoting my system to Him.?

        3915 ?Therefore, serve whatever you wish besides Him.? Say ?The
        losers are those who lose their souls, and their families, on the
        Day of Resurrection. Indeed, such is the real loss.?

        3964 Say ?Do you order me to serve other than God, O you ignorant
        ones??

        3966 Therefore, you shall serve God, and be among the thankful.

        4060 And your Lord said ?Call on Me and I will respond to you.?
        Surely, those who are too arrogant to serve Me, they will enter
        Hell, humbled.

        4114 When the messengers came to them, publicly and privately ?You
        shall not serve except God.? They said ?Had our Lord willed, He
        would have sent angels. We are rejecting what you have been sent
        with.?

        4137 And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun
        and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun, nor the moon; you
        shall prostrate to God who has created them, if it is truly Him you
        serve.

        4344 And this is indeed a reminder for you and your people; and you
        will all be questioned.

        4345 And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before you
        ?Did We ever appoint gods besides the Almighty to be served??

        4364 ?God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. This is a straight
        path.?

        4381 Say ?If the Almighty had a son, I would be the first to serve!?

        4621 And recall the brethren of `Aad, when he warned his people of
        the sandstorm; no different to the warners sent before him and
        after him ?You shall not serve except God. For I fear for you the
        retribution of a great day!?

        5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.

        5362 So, prostrate yourselves to God, and serve.

        604 There has been a good example set for you by Abraham and those
        with him, when they said to their people ?We are innocent from
        you and what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and
        it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us
        and you until you believe in God alone.? Except for the saying
        of Abraham to his father ?I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do
        not possess any power to protect you from God.? ?Our Lord, we
        have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the
        final destiny.?

        713 ?That you shall serve God and be aware of Him and obey me.?
        985 And they were not commanded except to serve God and be loyal
        to His system, monotheists, and hold the contact prayer and
        contribute towards purification. Such is the valuable system.

        1063 So let them serve the Lord of this Sanctuary.

        1090 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.

        1091 Say ?O rejecters,?

        1092 ?I do not serve what you serve,?

        1093 ?Nor do you serve what I serve,?

        1094 ?Nor will I serve what you serve,?

        1095 ?Nor will you serve what I serve,?

        1096 ?To you is your system, and to me is mine.?

        Praise be to God. The Lord of the worlds.

        Peace,
        R.

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          muslims
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          Yeap. . so as Iblees.

          And certainly We created you
          then We fashioned you

          then We said to the angels

          Prostrate to Adam
          So they did prostrate

          except Iblis
          he was not of those who prostrated

          He said What hindered you
          so that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?

          He said I am better than he
          Thou hast created me of fire
          while him Thou didst create of dust

          (711-12)

          Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.
          They associate Allah with Adam.
          and they serve all, keeping everything running and in order. .

          There is no evidence in the Quran
          that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah
          Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam.

          Iblees prostrate to "Allah Alone"
          Iblees is "Allah Alone"
          and he serves no one, he is "better" . . .

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            mmkhan
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            Peace mmkhan.

            Can I ask you a question?

            When you said

            Me and my friends are trying to be on this path since a month or so by the grace of my Lord, Allah hail
            AlhamduliAllahi rabbi ala3alameena hail

            Do you mean " years"? Or have you changed your way/thoughts/... recently?

            Thanks in advance.

            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

            Peace brother,

            Nope its not years but months, alhamduliAllah.
            I was thinking that I am on the correct path, but few months ago Allah showed me how to serve Him alone.
            And by His grace and blessings I start practicing it, alhamduliAllah and wrote this article.

            May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
            mmKhan

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              Does 'serve' the right translation? if so how do we serve Allah?

              I think its worship, more superior form of praising attributing everything to him.

              Not Crossing the limit.
              Say there is deity X, as it helps me I am praising its usefulness, writing stories, singing songs etc... until this everything is right and natural but soon if the limit crosses, reasons becomes rituals , false stories by giving false importance to the deity, steps in leading to idol worshiping. like many muslims worshiping His messenger, The Quran, etc..
              So Allah alone do we Worship.

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                Peace mmkhan.

                Thank you.
                Yes I remember commenting in that thread.

                I agree brother ,if we mean what we say!

                I mean some people say" Tawakkul" but then go on to do "shirk"...

                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  mmkhan
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                  Does 'serve' the right translation? if so how do we serve Allah?

                  I think its worship, more superior form of praising attributing everything to him.

                  Not Crossing the limit.
                  Say there is deity X, as it helps me I am praising its usefulness, writing stories, singing songs etc... until this everything is right and natural but soon if the limit crosses, reasons becomes rituals , false stories by giving false importance to the deity, steps in leading to idol worshiping. like many muslims worshiping His messenger, The Quran, etc..
                  So Allah alone do we Worship.

                  Peace,

                  Yes to me "serve" is the exact translation not "worship".
                  Serve = to act as a servant.

                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                  mmKhan

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                    Eid Mubarak,

                    But how do you serve Allah and what is his requirement?

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                      R_H_-Ustahi
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                      Hello dude,

                      Your theleological position prevents you from seeing things as they are.

                      Now onto your (i)logical discourse

                      "Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.
                      They associate Allah with Adam.
                      and they serve all, keeping everything running and in order. . "

                      • By whose decree angels do this?

                      • And, you are not an angel, or.....are you?!

                      "There is no evidence in the Quran
                      that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah
                      Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam."

                      • God and iblees have a deal which begins in the days of genesis. Iblees' fate is sealed from then, that's why he does his job perfectly on this planet. So, the question is, by whose decree is his fate sealed forever?!

                      • And you are not a devil, or......are you?!

                      Peace,
                      R.

                      Yeap. . so as Iblees.

                      And certainly We created you
                      then We fashioned you

                      then We said to the angels

                      Prostrate to Adam
                      So they did prostrate

                      except Iblis
                      he was not of those who prostrated

                      He said What hindered you
                      so that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?

                      He said I am better than he
                      Thou hast created me of fire
                      while him Thou didst create of dust

                      (711-12)

                      Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.
                      They associate Allah with Adam.
                      and they serve all, keeping everything running and in order. .

                      There is no evidence in the Quran
                      that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah
                      Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam.

                      Iblees prostrate to "Allah Alone"
                      Iblees is "Allah Alone"
                      and he serves no one, he is "better" . . .

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                        Peace mmkhan.

                        Thank you.
                        Yes I remember commenting in that thread.

                        I agree brother ,if we mean what we say!

                        I mean some people say" Tawakkul" but then go on to do "shirk"...

                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

                        Peace good logic,

                        You are welcome brother handshake

                        May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                        mmKhan

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                          Your theleological position prevents you from seeing things as they are.

                          I'm seeing things as they are, Oneness. . . maybe it is you who don't, duality and sectarianism, ByGod. . . the Sectarian God.

                          As for those who divide up their deen (&#1618 and form into religion (&#1575
                          you have nothing whatsoever to do with them
                          6.159

                          . . .

                          • By whose decree angels do this?

                          By whose decree people should do this ? (refer here, here and here)

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                            muslims, your understanding of the word does not make any sense

                            And, verily, of his (Noah) religion(?) was Abraham;
                            3783

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                              muslims, your understanding of the word does not make any sense

                              It makes sense to me. . . there is nowhere in the Quran you can find the word (&#1576 in the Quran. . . which is the arabic word for religion
                              It is because religion or sectarianism was never acknowledged by Allah
                              mankind is one nation. . . and Islam came to lay the foundation for unity in diversity through freedom of religion

                              For example. . .The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?
                              It is obvious the idea of religion is not from God. It is man-made, that's why Muhammad is not a Jew or Christian

                              and Islam came to end religion through freedom of religion, not to create new one . .
                              ie. (1) Judaism, (2) Christianity, (3) "Religion" of Islam. . . repeating the same mistake of the Jews and Christians. .

                              Therefore, sectarianism (&#1575 is a religion (&#1576. . .

                              Turn towards Him and be dutiful to Him
                              Establish the divine system (of unity in diversity)

                              And DO NOT become

                              (1) an idolater who ascribe authorities along with Him,

                              (2) Or of those (Jews and Christians etc.)
                              who (recite the same Book but) have broken the unity
                              and become religion (&#1575
                              each group is happy with what it has
                              30.30-32

                              . . .

                              And, verily, of his (Noah) religion(?) was Abraham;
                              3783

                              3781 He is of Our believing servants.
                              3782 Then We drowned the others (his clan).
                              3783 And from his clan ( &#1616 was Abraham.
                              (Shabbir Ahmed And verily, to his group (of believers, later) belonged Abraham.)

                              "from his clan ( &#1616" = (referring to the group that are safe/descendants from those who were) "drowned the others"

                              IMO

                              And verily, to his group (that was drowned because they commit oppression through sectarianism/religion, others/descendants from this clan later follow) belonged Abraham.

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                                "For example. . .The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?"

                                Jews read Old testament + talmud, christians read the NT...

                                "there is nowhere in the Quran you can find the word (&#1576 in the Quran. . . which is the arabic word for religion"

                                No mention of the word but the word religion/politic is mentioned

                                2120 And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion/. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.

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                                  "For example. . .The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?"

                                  Jews read Old testament + talmud, christians read the NT...

                                  The point is the idea of religion is not from Allah. . both Judaism and Christianity. It is man-made. No ?

                                  And the Jews say "The Nazarenes have no basis," and the Nazarenes say "The Jews have no basis," while they are BOTH reciting the (same) Book! 2114

                                  (2) Or of those (Jews and Christians etc.)
                                  who (recite the same Book but) have broken the unity
                                  and become religion (&#1575
                                  each group is happy with what it has
                                  30.30-32

                                  . . .

                                  "there is nowhere in the Quran you can find the word (&#1576 in the Quran. . . which is the arabic word for religion"

                                  No mention of the word but the word religion/politic is mentioned

                                  2120 And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion/. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.

                                  Based on the same concept , "sectarianism". . . .

                                  sectarianism (&#1575 is a religion (&#1576. . .

                                  So what's the issue ?

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                                    The issue is your negative understanding of the word

                                    2815 Sahih International And he entered the city at a time of inattention by its people and found therein two men fighting one from his faction and one from among his enemy. And the one from his faction called for help to him against the one from his enemy, so Moses struck him and killed him. said, "This is from the work of Satan. Indeed, he is a manifest, misleading enemy."

                                    And "The point is the idea of religion is not from Allah"

                                    2130 Sahih International And who would be averse to the religion/ of Abraham except one who makes a fool of himself. And We had chosen him in this world, and indeed he, in the Hereafter, will be among the righteous.

                                    http//corpus.quran.com/search.jsp?q=%D9%85%D9%84%D8%A9%20%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%85%20

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                                      The issue is your negative understanding of the word

                                      2815 Sahih International And he entered the city at a time of inattention by its people and found therein two men fighting one from his faction and one from among his enemy. And the one from his faction called for help to him against the one from his enemy, so Moses struck him and killed him. said, "This is from the work of Satan. Indeed, he is a manifest, misleading enemy."

                                      That is an issue ? It is becoming an issue simply because I don't agree with you? How does it explain on the issue of sectarianism and from the verses I gave earlier ? Ignores all? laugh

                                      . . .

                                      Now do you understand what is sectarianism ?

                                      Why it is not from Allah ?

                                      Sectarianism is
                                      bigotry (bigot, bigod, By God. . religious hypocrisy and fanatics)
                                      discrimination
                                      or hatred

                                      arising from
                                      attaching importance to perceived differences
                                      between subdivisions within a group
                                      (ie. it is not about just vs unjust, but solely on the issue of which group one belongs too,
                                      Islam/Christian/Judaism/Sunni/Shia/Quranism?
                                      People ignores just vs unjust, ie. religion. . and thus, opposes element of justice in other religions)

                                      such as between different denominations of
                                      a religion
                                      class
                                      regional
                                      or factions of a political movement

                                      . . .

                                      And "The point is the idea of religion is not from Allah"

                                      2130 Sahih International And who would be averse to the religion/ of Abraham except one who makes a fool of himself. And We had chosen him in this world, and indeed he, in the Hereafter, will be among the righteous.

                                      http//corpus.quran.com/search.jsp?q=%D9%85%D9%84%D8%A9%20%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%85%20

                                      and do you understand when it is becoming the issue of sectarianism or religion ?

                                      This is because God has sent down the Book with the truth;
                                      and those who have disputed about the Book
                                      are in open schism (&#1613. (definition of sectarianism)
                                      2.176 (for example, refer here)

                                      http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=2307

                                      Miim-Lam-Lam = to dictate, embrace a religion, creed/faith.

                                      millah n.f. - 2120, 2130, 2135, 395, 4125, 6161, 788, 789, 1237, 1238, 1413, 16123, 1820, 2278, 387

                                      amalla vb. (IV)
                                      impf. act. 2282 x3

                                      LL, V7, p 257, 258. V8 276, 277

                                      See? Simple comparison shows that the word can easily be contradicted and not conclusive evidence. . . .

                                      Therefore, I don't believe Allah sent religion (fallacy of hasty generalization) for human beings. . . it doesn't make sense.
                                      I believe. . Islam is a universal ways of life, and mankind is one ummah (&#1611. . . as descendants of Adam, no religion.

                                      And when your Lord
                                      took from the children of Adam
                                      from their loins
                                      their descendants (no religion)
                                      and made them testify of themselves
                                      , "Am I not your Lord?"
                                      They said, "Yes, we have testified."

                                      • lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
                                        "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
                                        (7172)

                                      Mankind (ie. regardless of religion) was one ummah
                                      (2.213)

                                      And if your Lord had wished
                                      He could have made all the people one nation
                                      but they still would have continued to disagree. (through religions, ie. sectarianism)
                                      11118

                                      As for those who divide up their deen (&#1618 and form into religion (&#1575
                                      you have nothing whatsoever to do with them
                                      6.159

                                      Therefore. . .

                                      1. No religion and no sectarianism.

                                      because. . .

                                      And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam (unity in diversity, living as one nation, as descendants of Adam)
                                      it will NEVER be accepted of him
                                      and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
                                      385

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                                        Peace,

                                        The command is the same no matter which people heard about Allah from a prophet and that is BE GOOD and HAVE FAITH is more or less it. Be one with the Singularity that created you and to which Singularity you shall return.

                                        The commandments are a help to let you be guided towards purification and wholeness so you are not an anomaly to The Singularity. Absolutely voluntary, but consequences of not following them is disastrous. But oppression and injustice is completely an abomination not voluntary at all but should be fought against by conscious people. And several of the commandments are actually not voluntary such as thievery, murder, false testimony and adultery, because someone else is hurt and it means injustice. This is why polytheists/mushriks are to be killed unless they are mindful of salat because it does not mean prayer but teaching/command of Allah and the particularly against the commands that cause oppression and injustice.

                                        If one is oppressive and unfair they break the number one commandment Allah is your Master. Obey The Creator. And The Creator hates impurities/anomalies.

                                        So the fools in the passage in question are told to be mindful of what The Creator stands for, the attributes. They should be one with The Creator.

                                        So much for a ritualistic prayer which people seem to defend to their graves.

                                        Have faith

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                                          They should be one with The Creator.

                                          So much for a ritualistic prayer which people seem to defend to their graves.

                                          bravo

                                          From "one" (adam) . . . to many. . . back to "one" (nation), Oneness. . . that's the test for mankind.

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