Purpose of life and Quran
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May I help Javalatte?
Of course, brother. That helps a lot.
Thank you very much. D
Salm.
Still no answer. What are those commandments?
You can read the answer above (Reply #1 mentioned by brother MoF.
If you want to know more about God's commandments, I suppose you can ask him.
Salm. )
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No problem with any good values or principles.
But does one also need to believe in trinity and other religious mantra that is associated with these?
Regard,
When you mention "values" you do not speak of the mechanics of a faith, but you talk about the behavior and actions. Like Christ's "ideas" about what is right and wrong and what is important in life. Despite the gross misconception about the deification of Jesus and creation of saints, Christianity stands for very fine ideals. Same is taught by the book called Qur'an, but is hidden in between a lot of distorted scriptural material and where things like a ritualistic prayer and other things that in fact the Messiah warned about has taken prevalence. Both the prophet called Muhammad and Jesus, as well as any other prophet, taught this
- God, your Master and my Master, is One, so serve The Almighty with whole your heart
It is always the first commandment, be it Qur'an or Gospel or the ancient Torah.
What many people forget is the subsequent intensifying commandment, which means not to have any mediators. It is something that prophet-lovers forget who ascribe a lot of important attributes to them
- Choose no likeliness of anything in neither Heaven nor Earth and use it as an idol to get closer to God
Jesus spoke "My words are not my own but of the one who sent me." It means that he told the people to heed his words because they were from the Creator, but given himself no importance in the matter. He was merely relaying the information from God. A noble deed, but it means that he was no way of a decision-maker or that he meant that anything that he did was due to himself. The man must have been one of the humblest and meekest people I have studied in a scripture. It is also why the command is; "obey God and obey the Messenger", i.e. to hearken unto the words that the prophet speaks. And the prophet will only relay the decree/commandments of God and no more. If he did otherwise then people should not listen to him and he is a false prophet.
God does not advocate sin and injustice and the decree is meant to remain the same since it was decreed to Moses as the list I gave in the previous post. That was the page of two tablets according to history. The next contains some additional details such as "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" and few additional commandments. At this time practically everything was inscribed in stone and it was not as easy as just picking up a pen and start writing. Ritualistic prayer was never the command until Jews and Muslims invented it likely inspired by Pagans, even though Jesus warned against "Pagans and their many words". It could also be understated in the translations that he was meaning the tons of hearsay that people hearken unto and preach. The bare-scraped decree could be filled as in the past on two stone tablets; so short is the actual law before every piece of conjecture is added to it.
Muhammad was commanded to utter
364 Say ?O adherents to the decree, let us come to a common understanding between us and between you; that we serve none except God, and that we do not set up anything with Him, and that none of us takes each other as patrons besides God.? If they turn away, then say ?Bear witness that we have submitted.?
Muhammad obviously included himself in the expression or he would not have been particularly consistent. And also it is supposed to be Muhammad who uttered the below scripting language saying that the people should focus on what they have learned of the decree and studied themselves. The prophet is disclaiming himself from any kind of importance, yet people focus excessively on their prophets
379 It is not for any human being that God would give him the decree and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people ?Be servants to me rather than God!? Rather ?Be Devotees for what you have been taught of the decree, and of what you have studied.?
380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to opposition after you have submitted?
381 And God took a covenant from the prophets ?For what I have given you of the decree and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you truthful to what is with you. You will believe in him and support him.? He said ?Do you testify, and agree to this burden?? They said ?We testify.? He said ?Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.?This commandment is to avoid listening to Pagans and their many words
- Avoid buying (believing) any useless narrative
Already when coming to the third commandment in existence people have failed miserably, most of them. It is often translated as vain talk, but what really do you think that it means? It means not to conjecture, but also believe in what people have conjectured about. See 6116
6112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet ? mankind and Jinn devils ? to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6113 That is so the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
6114 ?Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the comprehensive decree?? Those to whom We have given the decree know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture and that is because they only guess.The most tragic thing is that the interpretation of Qur'an became tainted by the conjecture of men and they picked innocent words from it to delusively infer the ancient Pagan worship ritual of prostration into it, even though the best prostration is done with the heart. The interpretation we have in many cases is very tainted by hearsay through the centuries. It is gross that they even attacked the interpretation of the scripture itself, but it also happened with the Gospel testimonies written by the followers of Jesus. "Son of God" was hijacked and Father instead of Creator etc, even if it should be made obvious when Jesus said "You will be the children of God", he did not mean biological children and also he was not a son of a god, but rather like a "Man of God".
- Honor your mother and father
- No adultery
- No murder
- No stealing
These are quite obvious I think. Jesus said that adultery, for your own conscience, should be considered even when you look upon another woman than your own with desire. Avoid this.
Your mother and father should be honored because you came from them and your parents came from God (in a succession), so they should be kept in high regard.
And no murder does the ancient command say, but relayed through Jesus is that even the person who keeps anger towards a brother/sister is liable to judgment. We should work hard to forgive our surroundings. It may be hard, but not so for the pious and the people who are One with God, i.e. IMAN, MUMIM. Hatred does not solve any conflicts, but we must soothe our hearts.
- Be kind to your neighbor (allegorical for like all people)
One of the most forgotten commandment among whole Muslim community it seems, and often it only includes their own kind. What difference will it make if you are only kind towards those who are inclined towards you?
And there is also a big misconception of what faith is. This means that many people with claimed faith treat apparently "faithless" people like less worthy than their faithful kin. Hypocrites I say!
And God does not really need our faith; The Singularity knows it exists, whether we admit it or not. It should be as obvious as that you can see your hand when you raise it up in front of your eyes and behold it. What it wants however is that we become One with it and that is done with purification and following the commandments is the best way to accomplish this. That is the least you can do, and for the one that does more it is always appreciated. But do not say about God what is false and attribute inventions with God.
All that you can become is an anomaly to The Singularity, impure, incompatible with the values that God stands for, and you will be held responsible for all the bad that you have done.
And many of those who reject God does it because they feel the pathetic impression of world "religions", but many of them still think that there is a Creator within their consciousness. Those who feel that way and do good for a subconscious thought that they will be held responsible or simply because they become GOOD, may be saved. What do you think that God wants us to become one with?
But oppose God you only do when you cause injustice and oppression. It is different from denying the existence of God.
It is foolish to deny the existence of God when you came out of The Singularity and to it you shall return, but it is not the worst issue out there.
I would say that God would take a goodly atheist any day over a bad Muslim who indulged in a lot of conjecture and guesswork but who adhered to five times ritualistic prayer per day, fasted 1/12 of a year, and often expressed "Allahu Akbar", and said "There is no other divinity than God" but his heart did not say it. At least the atheist did not believe in anything other than he could see... the creation, which is part of The Singularity.
- Be content with what God bestows on you and do not be jealous
Often the cause of much anger and show of unappreciative thoughts. And it causes you to suffer yourself and struggle hard to obtain worthless possessions that brings no merit towards wholeness with God. We buy ourselves things that we may have what others have instead of realizing if we have God then we need no more than the necessary tools for living and communication (in today's IT society).
If we bought cheaper stuff and had not so many contracts that sent bills each month we would have much more money to live for in case of a financial issue.
And if we were living small we would also have more monetary funds to help others.
- No false testimony
I think it is the hardest commandment to uphold of them all. It is always easy to make an occasional lie slip into our lives especially when we want to avoid problems, but if we planned our lives in a good way we could avoid lying at all. The commandment means to change the scene of events or condition to misrepresent what happened or how things really are when you talk to any person. It is anywhere and not only in a court, as many misunderstand the commandment. Any lying is a disadvantage to us and we break the commandment and we should regard it. Of course there is a varying degree of severity, but it is always a breaking of the commandment whenever we lie.
It would be impressive to me if anyone in adult age here has never lied. Surely I would be impressed and I mean it. Avoid this.
Of course there are special cases of lying as if withdrawing from the truth if the receiver would risk their health if they heard, especially if they already have many problems. But oftentimes the person would rather have heard I think.
Not gossiping about what happens is not lying though if someone asks on the phone if something particular has happened and you answer "only the usual" even if your family has torn itself to pieces in domestic affairs (arguments without violence).
Ah well; its application is to the discretion of each person and we are ourselves responsible of how we apply the rules, but I was only explaining the mechanics of them and that they may involve more than we think. I think any person can find the right balance if they only put their mind to it. Lying for any personal gain is the worst.
Be whole
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Thanks for such a lengthy answer.
My Dear friend where are you getting those words of Jesus? To best of knowledge there is nothing in exsistence that he might have said or taught.
So if above the case. Doesn't promoting something in someone's name contradict # 10?
Regards,
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God, your Master and my Master, is One, so serve The Almighty with whole your heart.
By the way what does word god mean to you. To best of understanding it is not a name. To English speaking people, it is title which is given to that which deserves to be worshiped. Is this what you are implying by word god?
Regards,
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I hence mean the grand force that is a huge singularity with everything including us inside is its mass. You are part of it and to it you will return.
Clarified?
Salaam
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Peace,
I was getting the word of Jesus from one of the Gospel testimonies written by his followers.
Apart from that there is also narration with words that Jesus expressed to be found in the recitation. And in at least two cases the kind of of reference is nearly identical to the situation in the Gospel.
I promoted something actually said by Jesus so I am not breaking any commandment.
Would you think that Jesus said something else? "My words are my own and not from the one who sent me?"
And even if you claim Jesus did not say them then well I could as well say them myself. They are very true in saying what Jesus allegedly said.
Be whole
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I hence mean the grand force that is a huge singularity with everything including us inside is its mass. You are part of it and to it you will return.
Clarified?
Salaam
What is special about this brute force that one should start to obey it's command?
How this belief different than Pantheism?
Regards
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Peace,
I am not sure what you mean by "belief different than Pantheism"?
Beneath the surface of all the corruption that has happened to the book/recitation called Qur'an, the faith looks something like this.
The important factor is that we and our bodies are part of a system rather than a stand-alone creation. We are part of this "Singularity" with its mass, so you can say we are within the palm of God's "hand" as I think it is written in the book called Qur'an. Clearly allegorical, but I think you know what it means.
How to explain how it all works is fairly difficult, but our soul energy seems to have its own "freedom" of taking a stance in life and being independent and thus we can have ability to control and manipulate things. To place it within an illusion of a galactic world without a Creator is the optimal test. The reason we can do all this is because we were created this way out of the expanding Singularity. All our instincts, intuition and what we take for granted that we can do in this system is just due to a will by God. We can think that we are our own gods in the temporary illusion and not "synched" with The Singularity or we can accept the situation that we are from The Singularity and to it we will return. And becoming one with the Creator is not particularly hard for the humble as it just means to be good, the wholeness with God comes pretty automatically whether we are ignorant of it or not. All the statutory commandments are there as a help for those who understand the importance of following them because breaking them is a setback in the struggle to become good. Be kind, be good, is frequently repeated in the narration to the prophet called Muhammad.
People who hijacked the promise/faith (AL-DEEN) caused "righteousness" to mean the worship of God and by adhering to the "illusive religious laws" to be righteous, but the righteousness is strictly about avoiding sins (particularly injustice and oppression) while doing good. I think I said that virtually all of the commandments in the previous list that I gave you hurts someone when broken, even jealousy hurts yourself and it is a sin to harm yourself too because you are part of the Singularity and not only others. Hurting others is the worst harm because you spread your own pollution on others because you yourself are not whole, and before you lecture others you may wish to look at yourself. Remove the splinter in your own eye first before you help to remove the piece in your brother's eye or else you will not see clearly. This moral lesson is one of the best I have seen and is allegedly expressed by Jesus.
But I think there are not many people who would not agree that doing any of these things towards anyone is to be considered being good Murder, theft, adultery, false testimony, jealousy or unkindness. Focusing on these commandments and actually being the complete parallel of the commandment, i.e. advocate goodness/uprightness starting with yourself, is practically all that you ever need to know really. Then you serve your Master and also uphold commandment number one because you are one with God, or Man or Woman of God. The problem is that many think this is only what you owe those of your own kin, but it is also towards the stranger and even the sinner to help them. You do not fight fire with fire, you know (very good expression, I love it). The sinners are like fire and meeting them with fire is a inefficient method. Better get some water. And your good character is like water for them. Pride and arrogance is of no avail.
What is special about this brute force that one should start to obey it's command?
Now you fall into the trap of distorting what you heard. Brute is a negative word. I said "grand force", which indicates that it is a matter that has a huge influence on the series of events and it is a Singularity and which mass is everything we see including ourselves. The Singularity has no limit on size but is uncountable having no size but still seem like it has size and a huge mass is contained within its small size, if you know what I mean. This is why the word "singularity" is a good choice as allegorical language.
If you still cannot understand the allegory, then try to fathom a sphere with no size but yet an artificial size and that you are contained within it and everything else. And at some time in history it will suddenly contract bringing everything to its center, usually called "The Promised Day" in the lore.
And because The Singularity that you live in can be considered to be God then it is no wonder why God is omnipresent constantly aware and why you sometimes serve God unknowingly through deed while you were unaware. Everything willingly or unwillingly lives in symbiosis with its Creator and serves its will even if some people oppose and rebel and are anomalies to what God wanted and thus break the circle of symbiosis. It is all about not being an anomaly to God in truth.
Be whole
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Moreover, they declare for Him the Exalted some of His subjects as part of Him.
It is true that the Man is certainly and manifestly ungratefully denier of realities and facts.Matter cannot be created by matter. A Living of Will can create matter. Creator and matter are distinct entities, they can never be whole.
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Peace,
Matter cannot be created by matter. A Living of Will can create matter. Creator and matter are distinct entities, they can never be whole.
Exactly what I said then. The Singularity is that Creator, and we are its mass as matter.
EDIT If you mean that I said about God as matter of course you exploited a linguistic oversight. I should have used 'entity', for as much as you can treat God as an entity given the knowledge in what I wrote.
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Matter cannot be created by matter. A Living of Will can create matter. Creator and matter are distinct entities, they can never be whole.
Exactly what I said then. The Singularity is that Creator, and we are its mass as matter.EDIT If you mean that I said about God as matter of course you exploited a linguistic oversight. I should have used 'entity', for as much as you can treat God as an entity given the knowledge in what I wrote.
The Ayah was quoted only to negate traditional sufi philosphy reflected by "Be whole". "Mass" in all its meanings has no relationship with the Creator except as His creation.
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Peace,
Exactly what I said then. The Singularity is that Creator, and we are its mass as matter.
EDIT If you mean that I said about God as matter of course you exploited a linguistic oversight. I should have used 'entity', for as much as you can treat God as an entity given the knowledge in what I wrote.
Be whole
Peace be upon you brother. The concept of that entity and what it might be is very vague in Quran. Even Rabb is a very vague concept if one start to peal it off layer by layer. However, what that entity is not is very clear Quran. The foremost is Allah meaning "One who is not at all a deity for worship".
Furthermore, what is expected of us is very clear. However, the current translation of Quranic text has distorted it all to suite the transformed understanding of Allah as "the one and only deity for worship". Therefore, it is of paramount importance that we do not accept current Quranic understanding as ture and real; rather continue to strive to understand it via its language.
I was just teasing you and did not mean to hurt your feelings.
Regards,
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Peace,
The Ayah was quoted only to negate traditional sufi philosphy reflected by "Be whole". "Mass" in all its meanings has no relationship with the Creator except as His creation.
Is that so?
And you are so knowledgeable about it?
Besides this is no "Sufi philosophy".
The mass is created like I said, but you are to become one with your Master who created you without being an impurity to it.
This is likely why you have not understood a thing of what your "elevated messenger" tried to teach you, except that you ought to slavishly perform ritualistic prayer frequently throughout the day.
"Be whole" is just an attempt to translate the purpose of the whole thing. Or what do you say that we are to become? Become broken and an impurity?
I said that you are not God, but part of God in ways because you are contained within the palm of God's "hand". Your whole personal mission is to be compatible with God like being according to the image God wanted to use, see "goodness". And then you are whole/healthy/complete.
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Peace,
The foremost is Allah meaning "One who is not at all a deity for worship".
So why do you speak like this to me as I have not advocated such?
Furthermore, what is expected of us is very clear. However, the current translation of Quranic text has distorted it all to suite the transformed understanding of Allah as "the one and only deity for worship".
Do you not see that I have understood what it teaches?
Therefore, it is of paramount importance that we do not accept current Quranic understanding as ture and real; rather continue to strive to understand it via its language.
This is what I do and do you not see that this is controversial compared to what people teach?
I spend hour after hour trying to decipher the original Arabic text and I do not take any of the available translations as necessarily correct.
I was just teasing you and did not mean to hurt your feelings.
Are you using my own rhetoric against me?
"the one and only deity for worship"
It is the only reckoning power in existence, but like you saw me talking it is not easy to explain the phenomenon that is called Allah. It is not a matter of worship because Allah has no need for your worship, but the thing is to not be an anomaly to it when it contracts/summons everything back to it. It can be considered that you should honor Allah and become a part of the unity that is Allah and become like what is spoken of as "us" in the recitation.
But to be one with Allah is not really what people usually think and what has turned lots of people away from the Singularity.
Be whole
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Therefore, as his bondsman my foremost responsibility and purpose of life and creation is to be Rabb of all disciplines of knowledge.
May be it will be interesting for your investigation. Russian word "", which pronounced like "rab", means "slave".