How to establish an ideal Quranic state/country?
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Honestly speaking, a Quranic state is possible only if it is established by the Muslims of this forum.
I don't think we would give into ethnocracy. However, this would get us bombed by hadith lovers. We humans have progressed a lot, but it looks like believing in one God is still very dangerous. The situation of sleepers of the cave is pretty alive even today. If I remember correctly in Egypt people were persecuted because they wanted ban on Hadith books and demanded the use of Quranic laws only. It happened three times.
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Honestly speaking, a Quranic state is possible only if it is established by the Muslims of this forum. D
I don't think we would give into ethnocracy. However, this would get us bombed by hadith lovers. We humans have progressed a lot, but it looks like believing in one God is still very dangerous. The situation of sleepers of the cave is pretty alive even today. If I remember correctly in Egypt people were persecuted because they wanted ban on Hadith books and demanded the use of Quranic laws only. It happened three times.
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Justice might exist with or without Quran.. Quran itself is irrelevant and not a 'pre-requisite' for Justice.
The evidence the stories of Solomon and David in the Quran.
Those two gentlemen never read the Quran yet they establishes justice within their rulings.Second,
There should not be any ban on any books (including Hadith).
The Hadiths books are valuable when viewed with the right perspective.
The books gives us an insight on the thoughts, concerns within people in the past.
An insight of what's going on within their mind.
But certainly it's not an evidence to prove right or wrong OR the ultimate source of law and justice. -
This is the way an ultimate state as per the recitation to Muhammad is governed if you can see it by studying it. If one is wealthy they spend it to improve society and everyone works in the cause of God and improving society. The community owns it all together.
that's communism
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The Quran is nothing, and even invalid without critical thinking and the sunnatullah. . .
and in this philosophy, the Quran itself is not valid
The Arabic Quran is a dead language, and the interpretation have been corrupted
Therefore, the Quran must be validated/confirmed by the understanding of the Sunnatullah, through logic. . .
The Quran and the Sunnatullah is a complete set of guidance, and it is not merely the QuranQuran Read (1st part of the guidance. . meaning can be changed by human beings)
Sunnatullah Purify
(Islam) Practice
Wisdom (2nd part of the guidance. . meaning cannot be changed by human beings)(622)
refer here The complete set of guidance
The example of those who were given the Torah (Quran)
but then failed to uphold it
is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books (ie. reading the Quran means nothing without the Sunnatullah)
Miserable indeed is the example of the people who denied the revelations of God (ie. those people are the deniers)
And God does not guide the wicked people.
62.5Thus it requires people to identify the logical premises from the Quran and compare with the laws of nature
This requires , critical thinking. .
The critical thinking requires enhancing our sensory of perception
To purify self according to the QuranDoctrine vs. Theology
Both the Quran (25%) and the Sunnatullah (75%) is a complete set of guidance. . .not the Quran alone ("Read" alone is invalid, see above)
Therefore, Theology by its nature puts greater emphasis on logical systems and it is undergirded with reasoning and human philosophy. Theology tends to begin with the system (deen) and then go to scripture for support, while doctrine begins with the scriptures and develop its logic. Theology is aiming at justly balance and is not evil since much that has come to us by way of theology helps us to see the truth from that doctrine.
Therefore . . .
Thus people can disagree on many issues and ideas through reasoning and logic, and they can come in a variety of beliefs, convictions and backgrounds. Human beings are as unique as their fingerprints and the only common thread that ties all together that there is no god, no religion, no nonsense and critical thinking.
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that's communism
Salaam, I remember reading a comment on deviantart.com, that Islam was the religion of life and communism was the religion of death but I never heard of communism being treated as a religion. I personally see merit in the idea of communism, but I hate how it is anti-God; This is why the more prominent communist governments fell, e.g. USSR. Furthermore, it would be wise to remember the crimes committed by these governments.
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I personally see merit in the idea of communism, but I hate how it is anti-God; This is why the more prominent communist governments fell, e.g. USSR. Furthermore, it would be wise to remember the crimes committed by these governments.
Bold *nod
I suppose anything with anti-God may have "rottenness" inside.
Salm.
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Honestly speaking, a Quranic state is possible only if it is established by the Muslims of this forum.
Hmm.... not really sure about that.
Honestly speaking, I think most people of this forum have lack of desire to unite.
Even the members of ISIS are striving harder than us (monotheists?) in terms of making a state.
I'm afraid if we are "good(?)" in theories, but still not optimal in applications.
May Allah help us to reform ourselves.
Salm.
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Peace,
I often perceive this kind of longing for Gods kingdom on earth a sign of impatience. There is a kingdom that has God sitting in the throne where there is absolute justice. But brothers and sisters, it is not to be found in this world. We are told to be patient and submit to God to achieve this in the hereafter. The impatience resulting in nations, states, religions, sects and political movements that are based on religion have proven to be the most criminal. Look at Israel, look at Nazi Germany (remember the "Gott mit uns" slogan on the officers belts?), look at all the nations under sharia law, look at taliban, look at IS.
If we are longing for paradise in this world, I'm afraid we are longing for the wrong objectives (worldly) and have strayed from the right path.
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@ Brother runninglikezebras
It would be so nice if we have free-sectarian community that follows God's commandments. Don't you think so?
I think it's normal if we look for happiness in this world, but we also have to look for perfect happiness in the hereafter.
Salm.
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Salaam, I remember reading a comment on deviantart.com, that Islam was the religion of life and communism was the religion of death but I never heard of communism being treated as a religion.
Let's be truly honest here, despite all of the propaganda, herewith the facts
- The religion of Islam is a religion of death. Read the history and how the religion of Islam was invented with 'territorial expansion' / world power in mind demanding 'life sacrifice' of it's follower and promising '72 virgins in heaven' to their followers who died in a struggle to kill infidels.. The trend is still apparent up until today.
- Besides the religion of Islam, the religion of Christianity, the religion of Judaism is also a religion of death. Demanding 'life sacrifice' of it's follower for the glory of a psycopath hiding behind an absurd conception called "religion".
- The religion of Soviet Communism (Stalinism), North Korean communism (Kimism), Chinese Communism (Maoism) is also a religion of death. Demanding 'life sacrifice' of it's follower for the glory of a dictator hiding behind an absurd conception called "nation".
- Many of other religion is also a religion of death, demanding 'life sacrifice' (death) of it's followers for the glory of someone (Mao, Kim) or something (Nation, Quran, Bible, Manifesto), including deities. (Allah, Thor, Odin, YHVH, Zeus etc..)
I personally see merit in the idea of communism, but I hate how it is anti-God; This is why the more prominent communist governments fell, e.g. USSR. Furthermore, it would be wise to remember the crimes committed by these governments.
Communism fell because it tries to fight 'the very nature of human' in a very direct manner, which is GREED.
It propose a 'false' hipothesis that Human can be told or ordered to not being greedy by another human, by banning 'private property/rights' of some human by another human.The end result is another injustice, the minority of human who held power fell to their own greed (because they're human after all), granting 'private property rights' to himself and/or his own family / group while forbid such rights from others.
And when injustice arises, destruction become the end state.. -
It would be so nice if we have free-sectarian community that follows God's commandments. Don't you think so?
It sounds nice indeed, but the human being is not capable of setting up such a thing. Unless the human being changes, its world won't change. Just making an effort on an intellectual level will only take us so far. It won't take us all the way.
I think it's normal if we look for happiness in this world, but we also have to look for perfect happiness in the hereafter.
People look for happiness in this world by trying to create a perfect society through rules of behavior. As long as we don't start by cleaning out our mind from destructive and irrational mental patterns, and purifying our spiritual vibration by appropriate prayers and such, we will never improve any of our external environments. A dull knife will never make a finer cut no matter what angle you hold it or how hard you press it.
All the best
Peace -
that's communism
Peace,
Yes. It is "communism", but given the right circumstances it is the perfect governing system and also the system God would approve of the most.
It is a shame that the ideology got painted black by people who highjacked the concept and calling their countries communism while it is a gravely tainted and a misrepresentation of communism. Communism is also a very good cover to fool people into believing they are members of an upright nation. But we are talking about dictatorships under the guise of communism.
At least Heaven will feel like communism. I look forward.
Be whole
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Salaam, I remember reading a comment on deviantart.com, that Islam was the religion of life and communism was the religion of death but I never heard of communism being treated as a religion. I personally see merit in the idea of communism, but I hate how it is anti-God; This is why the more prominent communist governments fell, e.g. USSR. Furthermore, it would be wise to remember the crimes committed by these governments.
The concept of communism is not anti-God; it is just a means of controlling the poor people under the dictatorships in the world that they are strictly atheist and not allowing any faiths. In a way I understand the thinking because of the bad that religion does, but that is a misconception about communism.
Communism is simply a society that is run entirely by its citizens and all or most of the assets are owned together as a nation and the profits from industries or trade between countries is split among its citizens so in a (real) communism there are no poor people (unless the country is having a rough time in business). You can say it is a company that is completely owned by all employees and they split the profits equally, just see communism as this over-dimensioned company. Given how advanced mankind is today this government system could sustain the whole population of Earth and people could even work less and have a higher standard of living. Individualism is an inefficient way of running a world.
But remember communism is just a governing system and the values and what a country stands for is still something that needs to be in the constitution of it. A communism should be democratic to really be worth being called communism. But democracy is surely a hard-defined word, but I suppose the constitution needs to reinforce that the country is a communism so assets cannot be sold off like in privatization that is taking place in many countries. Of course to be allowed to be called a democracy laws should be possible to change, but not easily and not just over one mandate, so if a abusive government wants to change them it still takes another mandate to allow to vote them out if they want to touch the law.
So can you say China is run by its citizens?
Few people seem to have knowledge of what communism is. I used to be among the ignorant fools who were also believing in an individualistic society, but it simply does not make any sense and the most upright society would be running according to the communistic model. A good thing is that no matter if I will ever feel the belonging to a communism, I will have communism in the Hereafter.
It is also hard to draw the line to what is communism. My country's government used to own many of the companies until they seem to just happen to have sold them off most of them. Even healthcare and education is privatized these days. We were semi-communism I think bordering on socialism and we are still fairly socialistic. And it is not like things have turned for the better. We used to be one of the better nations regarding welfare.
Be whole