Would my fellow Muslims dare answer these rational questions?
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- We usually discuss that the Holy Quran is very scientific, logical and one will not find any nonsense within it. But then we also have verses that discuss about King Solomon's time when he 'spoke' to the hoopoe bird and heard the ant; when 'jinns' did all kinds of magical stuff in daily life. Verses talk about the bad effects of black-magic, the evil-eye etc. all of which are truly unscientific. Hindus are quick to point out such verses to show that their outlandish mythologies of demons and gods on earth are comparatively the same in this regard. On what basis can one invite a rational polytheist/ disbeliever/ pagan/ athiest to 'believe' Islam when we have to ask him to accept our unbelievable stories, so as to leave behind his own illogical beliefs?
Jinns can still do all the "magical stuff". In fact, these days, they have the "magical power" to get worship from humans. Thats why, US is filled with freemason temples. jinns and crafts are part of metaphysics. In fact, many of the most well known people actually practiced the craft and its still happening.
Proof 1 Sir Isaac Newton http//www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21604535-real-sir-isaac-newton-was-not-first-king-reason-last
Proof 2 Benjamin Franklin http//www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=7104
If you wish to get a taste of what craft or craft book can do read aliester crowley's books. Problems in your house may begin from day 1 of bringing them to your room. So be careful. You can study his stuff online. Don't blame me if your computer starts to malfunction or die .
I dont see anything magical about King Solomon talking to animals. Allah sometimes gifts the world a surprise. Here is a link to an article that talks about 6 living humans with unusual super power http//www.cracked.com/article_19661_6-real-people-with-mind-blowing-mutant-superpowers.html
The problem is that during Prophet Solomon's time, Yale, Oxford, Harvard, UC Berkley and MIT didnt exist. Medical progress wasn't there either for which no one was able to explain his power with proof from science. That's why, it looks unrealistic at present.
Please do read how science approaches a topic for study. Start with Ontology and Epistemology. This will help you learn that there is a reason why science can't explain everything. Btw, the two elements are still a matter of debate among scientists.
- If Islam is the true word of God, why is there so much chaos, suffering and hatred in the Muslim world? If we explain that this is because average Muslims do not follow the real word of God from the Quran, then the Christian asks, why then did God reveal the Quran, if people ultimately did not follow it? What is the utility of the revelation when it is not used for society's benefits? Why is it that the world's most peaceful, technologically advanced and democratic countries that give human freedoms are all nations that DO NOT follow the message of Islam? For whose benefit was the "final message" of the Quran revealed? For just a few individuals here and there who call themselves monotheists? What is the need for the message, when mankind is always attaining its ethical and moral goals through other sources?
We say the Bible is not truly the word of God, but contains conflicting messages. How is it that the adherents of the Bible, even today are the most blessed of all people,the most charitable and the most powerful? They have established schools, hospitals and orphanages across the world, with countless priests and nuns having dedicated their lives for the welfare of the needy. How many Muslims organisations are doing half of this work?
We all have a test in this world. We are supposed to look for truth and reject the false. Before I get into that let me tell you that the west is actually following the Quran while Muslim countries remain obsessed with power play. Proof http//www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/ireland-closest-to-islamic-economic-teachings-1.1826354
Why there is so much chaos? I am sorry to say that its the fault of Muslims. They see God in scholars and follow their rules which majority of the time are against Quran. They even make jokes on Allah, Quran and lie brutally just to save Bukhari whose book is supposed to be fully forbidden. The scholars have the full right to decide whether you should be dead or alive if you choose to leave Islam or become one with Allah through Quran. We are told again again in our holy text that we must not be aggressor because Allah hates it.
Such sins attract curse. Here it is
2159 - Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them too.
And to be honest, they are doing everything that the pagans did to Prophets.
1946 Ibrahim?s father said, ?Do you dislike my gods, O Abraham? If you cease not, I will certainly cause you to be stoned to death! Now get away from me for good?
2629 said, ?If you take a god/authority other than me, I will surely place you among those imprisoned
We all know what happened to Pharaoh. Instead of taking lesson from it, Muslims are following his rules, attracting the same fate.
That said, Christianity isn't so clean either. There was a time when christian priests practiced what Muslim scholars are doing today. Remember they had problem with earth revolving around the sun? They massacred huge number of non christians. I dont really think Bukhari's minions have broken their record. See the list of Christian religion's atrocity http//www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
Today's christian priests are peaceful because if they kill someone they will be thrown in jail. Everyone is equal in eye of the law. But thats in the west. Hindu extremist groups have some power over Indian government.They can ruin your life for silliest reasons http//www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20490823
- Something as basic as marriage..if it is allowed by God to have up to 4 wives for men, (assuming that one can be just and fair to each wife) why is it that the Prophet of Islam had upto 9 wives at the same time? Isn't the very messenger, breaking the message he preached? Isn't that hypocrisy?
Polygamy actually doesnt exist in Islam. I know someone here once mentioned that its supposed to be marry off in that verse. But even before that the line seemed to me as if Allah was saying that a man cant treat two women equally. There is another verse where Allah says it in plain words. Hence, its more logical to stay with one wife. As for Prophet Muhammad's wives, I think I read about only 3 in Quran, but yes, he was not allowed to divorce.
3352 Not lawful to you, , are women after , nor for you to exchange them for wives, even if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses. And ever is Allah , over all things, an Observer.
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Yet it saddens me that the state of Islamic affairs and its image across the world is only going downhill every generation ahead. The world is going to be more harsh to Muslims in the years to come...
The religion of Islam (just like other religion) is and will be going downhill over time.
As in the end, falsehood shall perish and truth shall prevails.And I want to add a suggestion to you to change your 'point of view' / 'attitude' on
"I am content that I follow a religion that is most logical and superior to all other beliefs on Earth"In reality all religion were made by men..
And religion of Islam (or other reiligion) is NOT the most logical and superior to all other beliefs on Earth
Such attitude originated from human's 'ego' and shows the trait of arrogance.In conclusion, the caretakers of the message of the Holy Quran are yet to follow it, while the idol-worshippers who have access to bits and fragments of the Messiah's Gospel, are following the message much better!
Actually there are millions of those who NEVER heard of the Quran or Messiah's Gospel and they did much better job at following God's commandment.
Looks like apostle Paul did a better job professing Trinity alone than prophet Muhammed did with Allah alone?
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Looks like Abu Sufyan and friends has been successful on twisting the original message to form a solid basis for a religion with world domination as it's main goal.
Abu Sufyan et. al. did much better job than Paul or Muhammad or Jesus on INVENTING A RELIGION and enforcing it to the population USING COMBINATION OF ORGANIZED PROPAGANDA, FORCE AND FEAR.
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I was looking up the passages of the Prophet and his wifes(?) but i could never read that he married a women,i mean there is nowhere mentioned he nakaha/nikah those women there is mentioned that they gave herself as a gift.
Can somebody clariefy because i always had the of the Prophet to be monogam and that it is a lie by Ahadith that he had married more women.
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Your ?rational polytheist/ disbeliever/ pagan/ atheist? more often than not, considers the very idea of ?God? to be unscientific, like the idea of angels, Shaytan, resurrection, heaven, hell, divine origin of creation, Prophet-hood and Holy books. What then? (Btw I can?t imagine what a ?rational polytheist? would look like.)
Your claim to be a Muslim whilst simultaneously stating that the Quran contains ?truly unscientific? verses, and ?unbelievable stories?, beggars belief. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I can only suggest that you are misguided. Your whole statement smacks of naivety and shallow mindedness. You have clearly not studied or researched the subjects about which you speak. This is not a personal attack against you; it?s an honest appraisal of what you have written. Allah knows.
In answer to question 1;
I seek refuge in Allah from Shaytan the rejected.
Surat 'li `Imrn 3 5-11
- Nothing is hidden from Allah, in the earth or in the heavens.
- It is He who forms you in the wombs however He wills. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
- He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it interpretation. But none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding
- "Our Lord, let not our hearts deviate after You have guided us, and grant us from Yourself mercy. Indeed, You are the Bestower.
- Our Lord, You will gather the people for a Day about which there is no doubt. Allah does not fail in His promise."
- Those who disbelieve, neither their wealth nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against Allah; and it is they who will be fuel for the Fire.
- Like Pharaohs folk and those who were before them, they disbelieved Our revelations and so Allah seized them for their sins. And Allah is severe in punishment.
Surat Al-Baqarah 2 101-102
- And when a messenger from Allah came to them confirming that which was with them, a party of those who had been given the Scripture threw the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know.
- And they followed what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve.? And they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah. And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.
Charlatans and fakes notwithstanding, there are many cultures, sub-cultures and semi-secret societies around the world that attest through their knowledge and experience that Voodoo/magic is very real; but for me, as a Muslim, the Quran is enough.
As for your question, ?On what basis can one invite a rational polytheist/ disbeliever/ pagan/ atheist to 'believe' Islam when we have to ask him to accept our unbelievable stories, so as to leave behind his own illogical beliefs??
Surat 'Ibrhm 141-3
- Alif Lam Ra
This is a scripture which We have sent down to you so that, with their Lords permission, you may bring people from the depths of darkness into light, to the path of the Almighty, the Praiseworthy One, - Allah, to whom everything in the heavens and earth belongs; how terrible will be the torment of those who ignore,
- those who prefer the life of this world over the life to come, who turn others from Allah?s way, trying to make it crooked; such people have gone far astray.
Surat Al-'An`m 625-32
- And among them are those who appear to listen to you, but We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. Even when they come to you arguing with you, those who disbelieve say, "This is not but legends of the former peoples."
- Others they keep away from it, and themselves they keep away; but they only destroy their own souls, and they perceive it not.
- And if you could you see when they are made to stand before the fire, then they shall say ?Would that we were sent back, we would not reject the communications of our Lord and we would be of the believers.?
- What they concealed before shall become manifest to them; and if they were sent back, they would certainly go back to that which they are forbidden, and most surely they are liars.
- And they say ?There is nothing but our life of this world, and we shall not be raised.?
- If you could but see when they will be made to stand before their Lord. He will say, "Is this not the truth?" They will say, "Yes, by our Lord." He will say, "So taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve."
- They are losers indeed who reject the meeting with Allah; until when the hour comes upon them all of a sudden they shall say O our grief for our neglecting it! And they shall bear their burdens on their backs; evil is that which they bear.
- And the worldly life is not but amusement and diversion; but the home of the Hereafter is best for those who are conscious of God, do you not then understand?
Surat 'li `Imrn 3 20
- But if they dispute with you, say I have submitted myself entirely to Allah, I and everyone who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees His servants.
Surat Ash-Shra? 42 48
- We have not sent you over them as a guardian; upon you is only to deliver?.
Surat Al-Baqarah 2 272
- Their guidance is not upon you, but Allah guides whomever He decides.
Question 2 really shows a lack of knowledge and insight into current and historical world affairs, as well as little understanding of Allah?s message and His ways of dealing with humankind. Was it Napoleon who said that history is written by the victorious? Like many media stories, we cannot always take things at face value. I sincerely suggest that you do some serious and deep independent study and research into everything you have written, especially in question 2.
The words ?Foreign Policy? spring to mind; More-so the historical kind. Much of what we see playing out today are the result of seeds planted long ago, in those wonderful days of slavery, and direct colonialism, which you seem to think was so great. In those days, the Bible in one hand and a gun or sword in the other was the experience of people in Africa, the Caribbean, South America, etc. Pillage, rape, murder and genocide was the result of the ethical and moral goals you speak of. These same so-called ethical and moral goals are now reflected in today?s unfair trade practices and interest-laden debt that most impoverished countries are struggling with, having to open up their markets to exploitative corporations, including their utilities like water and electricity, health-care and education. That?s human freedom - to exploit and degrade others. Not to mention the democratisation of Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, to name just a few from recent times. How very peaceful.
As for the ?countless priests and nuns having dedicated their lives for the welfare of the needy?, millions of abused men, women and especially CHILDREN, including in the West, would beg to differ. Are you on planet earth?
Some charity facts Tip of the ice-berg.
Less than 1/3 of income made by charities running orphanage placements is spent on childcare. Source The Guardian.
In 2010 Komen Foundation spent $1 million of donor money suing charities with ?for the cure? in their name. Livestrong also sued cancer charity Headstrong; their total legal fees came to $450,000 for the year. Source Wall Street Journal/The Daily Beast.
Charities invested millions in shares of arms, tobacco and alcohol companies. In 2009, anti-poverty charity Comic Relief was found to have invested over $1,000 in weapons firm BAE (ethical enough for you?). Source BBC.
Mother Teresa?s Missionaries of Charity accepted millions from Haitian dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier. She ignored requests to return funds to victims that Duvalier had stolen from. Source Mother Teresa by Chipley Slavicek/Mother Teresa by M.G. Chitkara.
Charity, Locks of Love, cannot account for $6 million worth of donations. In 15 years, only 3% of donations were made into hairpieces for young cancer and alopecia patients. Source Forbes.
In 2011 animal charity PETA killed 96% of animals handed in to them. In 2009, 2,124 animals were put down. Only 7 were found homes. Source Huffington Post.
50 large charities assigned less than 4% of funds to charity-related activities. Source CNN.
Kids Wish Network raised $125 million. $110 million went to solicitors and $4 million went to charity founders. Source CNN
The Benevolence Foundation paid for Al Qaeda?s weapons. Also equipping Chechen terrorists, its director was imprisoned for 11 years for fraud. Source BBC/New York Times.
Some food facts also tip of the ice-berg. Source BBC
Number of people in chronic hunger 840 million.
Amount of all food wasted 33%
Annual cost of wasted food $750 billion
40% of all food produced in the US is not eaten
40% of household food waste is fruit and veg
Food thrown away in Europe every year 100 million tonnes
Water used on wasted crops would meet the daily needs of 9 million people
Greenhouse gases that come from rotting food up to 10%
Number of people in chronic hunger 840 million.
All from ?the world's most peaceful, technologically-advanced and democratic countries that give human freedoms?? the result of ?mankind always attaining its ethical and moral goals through other sources?. The most blessed of all people, the most charitable and the most powerful. There is obviously so much more that can be said, about civil crime and violence, drug abuse, unemployment, economic disparity, gender inequality, racial discrimination, increasing moral and ethical as well as political and economic bankruptcy? all of which flies in the face of your ill-conceived utopian description given in your ?question?.
If we are fair, we will concede that good and evil emanates from ALL societies and cultures of the world. The dominant culture at any given time in history will always have the lions share in all of this. I?m not interested in any kind of blame game. That?s what Judgement day is for, however unscientific you may believe it to be. I?m just trying to bring some balance to your very biased world view. Every nation has its share of blame for the state of the world, and most nations contribute to the good that we also find here. Reading between the lines it seems that you have some kind of agenda, or axe to grind. Allahu ?alam.
Surat Al-?A`m 66-7
- Do they not realise how many generations We destroyed before them? We established them in the earth more firmly than you; sent down abundant rain on them from the sky and made running rivers flow at their feet; Yet We destroyed them for their misdeeds and raised other generations after them.
- Even if We had sent down to you a book inscribed on parchment, and they had touched it with their own hands, the disbelievers would still say, ?this is nothing but blatant sorcery.?
Surat Al-?A`m 642-45
- We sent messengers before you to many communities and afflicted their people with suffering and hardships, so that they could learn humility.
- If only they had learned humility when suffering came from Us! But no, their hearts became hard and Satan made their deeds alluring to them.
- So when they had forgotten the warning they had received, We opened the gates to everything for them. Then, as they revelled in what they had been given, We struck them suddenly and they were dumbfounded.
- The wrong-doers were removed. Al hamdulillahi Rabbil?alamin.
Something as basic as marriage;
You make the usual mistake of judging seventh century life by 21st century standards. You really need to broaden your horizons. Some of the Prophets marriages were for political or tribal expediency. Common practice for the time he was living. Being Allah?s messenger he was in a very privileged and responsible position. Loved and admired by most of his companions, there was no man comparable to him. He was allowed certain things that others were not because of his privileged position. Every honest and fair-minded person around him understood this, believer or not. This was never an issue even amongst his enemies, until nowadays amongst people who are trying to find fault.
I also do not believe that he married Aisha when she was six years old, consummating when she was nine. The Quran speaks of marriageable age in the context of mental maturity, and being old enough and mature enough to conduct domestic and financial affairs of ones? own.
Surat Al-'An`m 639
- Those who reject Our signs are deaf, dumb, and in total darkness. Allah leaves whoever He will to stray, and sets whoever He will on a straight path.
Surat Az-Zumar 3941
Indeed, We sent down to you the Book for the people in truth. So whoever is guided - it is for his soul; and whoever goes astray only goes astray to its detriment. And you are not a manager over them.
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Peace umar-jackson.
Interesting information about charities.
Good post.
GOD bless you.
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3349 "O you who believe, if you marry the believing females, then divorce them before having intercourse with them, then there is no interim required of them. You shall compensate them, and let them go in an amicable manner."
Interesting Vers compared with this vers about the Prophet
3328"O prophet, say to your wives If you are seeking this worldly life and its vanities, then come, I will make a provision for you and release you in an amicable manner."--(No Interim so no intercourse with the Prophet?)Another interesting Vers is this one
3350 "O prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have already given their dowries, and those who are maintained by your oath, as granted to you by God; and the daughters of the brothers of your father, and the daughters of the sisters of your father, and the daughters of the brothers of your mother, and the daughters of the sisters of your mother - those who emigrated with you. Also, the believing woman who had decreed herself to the prophet, the prophet may marry her if he wishes, as a privilege given only to you and not to the believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses and those who are maintained by their oaths. This is to spare you any hardship. God is Forgiver, Merciful."Again i want to ask did the Prophet marry more women and did have intercourse with them or did he take women who joined the "new relegion" to care for them because they are abondend by there families,like a emergency adress for beliving women?
wa salam
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Another question arose if it is true that the Prophet had 11 women or more where are the children mentioned in the Scripture?
Why does the god gave instructions to the "women" of the Prophet but no word about the children of him just if he had only 2 children of each why is no rigtheous one amongst them to be mentioned in the Lesson?Did he had any children or did he had no intercourse with them or was he not fruitable by god?
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3349 "O you who believe, if you marry the believing females, then divorce them before having intercourse with them, then there is no interim required of them. You shall compensate them, and let them go in an amicable manner."
Interesting Vers compared with this vers about the Prophet
3328"O prophet, say to your wives If you are seeking this worldly life and its vanities, then come, I will make a provision for you and release you in an amicable manner."--(No Interim so no intercourse with the Prophet?)Another interesting Vers is this one
3350 "O prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have already given their dowries, and those who are maintained by your oath, as granted to you by God; and the daughters of the brothers of your father, and the daughters of the sisters of your father, and the daughters of the brothers of your mother, and the daughters of the sisters of your mother - those who emigrated with you. Also, the believing woman who had decreed herself to the prophet, the prophet may marry her if he wishes, as a privilege given only to you and not to the believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses and those who are maintained by their oaths. This is to spare you any hardship. God is Forgiver, Merciful."Again i want to ask did the Prophet marry more women and did have intercourse with them or did he take women who joined the "new relegion" to care for them because they are abondend by there families,like a emergency adress for beliving women?
wa salam
You should read sura 33. the whole of it. Also, why did you stop at aya 33.50 and didn't go on to ayas 52? There is there the prohibition for the prophet to add any woman or change any woman.
As to his children, if God does not mention them it is because we do not need to know anything about them. That would be a question for history not a question for faith.
We do not need to know anything either about the intimacy of the prophets. The hadith goes into that kind of thing as if the prophets and their family were pieces of meet at the butchers' in spite of the insistence of Qur'an on absolute respect of privacy. What is it to us as to what they did in their most intimate moments?
If we do not like people to peer into our privacy, why should we attempt to peer in the privacy of prophets and their families. I think it is most unbecoming.
Clearly, the Prophet, had obligations as public figure, social and political, and there were things where he might not have had sny choice like marriages for social reasons which might result in peace, in alliances, and so on. He did no t invent poligamy, he came to where it was common and where it rendered services by way of political and social purposes and that has been so in many places and ages in the world, even in countries and religions nominally monogamous. Charlemagne, had them apparently by the hundreds.
As to his wives, the Qur'an textually states that they are not like any other women. On them fell in some ways a hard lot, but those who chose to continue being wives of the prophet were also rewarded by God accordingly and were also acknowledge by God as mothers of the believers, because the chose the cause of God and not the cause of their own wellbeing. It is not becoming either that we should regard them as some sort heap or herd. They were virtuous and devoted persons, who sacrificed a lot of freedom and a lot of comfort for the believers sake. They are a worthy example for every believer.
Salaam
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I just want to know what is all about the relationship of the women and the Prophet.
Why is there a different term for wifes of other prophets?
The Monotheist Group 6610 God puts forth as examples of those who have rejected, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were married to two of Our righteous servants, but they betrayed them and, consequently, they could not help them at all against God. And it was said Enter the Fire, both of you, with those who will enter it.
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Can somebody who speaks arabic ,explain whats the different between imrat and nisa?
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Imraa' means woman, singular, it also means wife joined to the name in the possessive case.
There is the term ba3l to mean husband and bu3ulat for the plural, but there is no equivalent of that meaning wife or wives, so for the plural of wife is used the term spouses or mates, azwaj, which is the term used when speaking about the Prophet's wives.
As to the ma malakat aymanukum, or as translates "maintained by your oaths" they are a type of spouses, which differ from the common denomination concerning dower and may be other terms of marriage. But they are spouses all right when that is what is meant.
Salaam
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Peace.
The words "Untha", "Imraat" and "Nissa" are all terms for women , used in Qoran as follows
1-"Untha" female gender mainly used for child/ren ( female gender) in Qoran.
2- "Imraat" singular mainly used for mature ( Woman, wife...) to give gender identity ,in equal terms with man identity.
3- " Nissa" Mature Women( plural) in society ( Married wives, mothers, sisters,Family groups...) To portrait the family community..etc.
The theme of Qoran is " Untha" for the gender, " Imraat" for the woman person that is equal to the man person, with her own character, right... and "Nissa" generally for women in the community/family...
There are other words like, "zawja", "Ajuz"...also used on occasions
Hope that helps
GOD bless you.
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There are indeed many misconceptions about the Arabic found in the book called Quran. Misconceptions so grave words may seem to mean something they do not. Huruf is onto something in her post.
Be of one with God
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The perception of many words meaning "woman" in Arabic is very much an illusion.
Be of one with God
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Greetings of Peace!
Nice to see your insightful replies. Glad to read all the varied responses.
Just to clarify my point, I am not praising the west, nor doubting the glorious message of the Holy Qur'an. I have only voiced my concern that though we have the perfect unedited message safe with us for the past millennium, our people have yet to come out of their closed mind-sets. Those amongst us who can, prefer to escape to the west and settle there. This is a fact, whether we like it or not.
One longs to see the tide turn some day, when the edisons and the einsteins, the david humes and the da vincis, the steve jobs and the stephen hawkins rise from the Muslim world. We still look back at the golden age of the Islamic civilization centuries back and for some reason find it difficult to get back on our feet today. It is not just the west, various other societies have grown at rapid pace too. The Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are marching forward with development at break-neck speed, none of whom are Islamic societies. The recent record set by a chinese company named 'Alibaba' as the world's largest IPO ever, is certainly an irony.
Perhaps we can summarise our passiveness in the growth of today's world as being the effect of becoming a community having no interest in the material goals and pleasures of this world. Perhaps our focus being only on the next life, we are unable to push our creative energies in any other direction. In the end, none of the bill gates and new technologies matter, because everything in life is just vanity right?
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again the fact remains, those advanced and charitable nations that are supposedly following the message of the Quran are indeed following it without any help from the original Quran that we have. They are guided without it and seem to be prospering very much. In terms of exposed clothing and socially cold, well the Muslim labelled nations have the same problem- lack of freedoms for women and basic human rights issues; abuse of foreign workers in inhuman conditions while the local population lives in luxury...
These are points that many of us Muslims wish to sweep under the carpet... the fact that despite holding the book of God, we are not progressing in any way.. isn't that ironical?
The west is more educated than the Muslim world, so is Japan, India, China, Germany and some others.
Technological advancement is driven by knowledge thru education or in the case of we Muslims, the
lack of education has created ignorance and the inability to prosper on the world stage, we hold barbaric
and archaic views that foster alienation. On the other hand, piety is not owned by any one culture in particular
but is taught by various institutions through out the world to maintain an orderly society.God bless
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Did he had any children
Yes daughters.
3359 O you the prophet say li-azwjika/to spouses your wabantika/and daughters your wanisi/and womenfolk? the believers ?
3- " Nissa" Mature Women
Not necessarily always mature; use context can be any age.
If underage, shares are held in trust dispensed on maturity.46 and test ye of the orphaned/bereaved until when attained they of the marriage so if perceive you from them rational so deliver ye of to them wealth theirs and not eats/consumes ye it wastefully and hastily of lest/that grow up they of and who be ample of so should refrain and who be in need of so let eat/consume in the right so when deliver you to them wealth theirs so witnesses ye of over them and sufficient in the god reckoner of
411 directs you the god in children yours
to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)
so if be (f) nisan/womenfolk above ith'natayni/two (feminine)
so for them third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left -
Perhaps we can summarise our passiveness in the growth of today's world as being the effect of becoming a community having no interest in the material goals and pleasures of this world. Perhaps our focus being only on the next life, we are unable to push our creative energies in any other direction. In the end, none of the bill gates and new technologies matter, because everything in life is just vanity right?
I disagree with your summary..
Today's so-called "Islamic World" (Read Middle East World) have too much interest in material goals and pleasures of this world. And that's why there's so many conflict and hatred with today's Middle East World, it's all driven by GREED and PRIDE.One among the root cause is the PRIDE and ARROGANCE of having "Superior culture / religion / sect and/or holy book above others" a.k.a Religion/Cultural FACISM.
Technological advancement is driven by knowledge thru education or in the case of we Muslims, the
lack of education has created ignorance and the inability to prosper on the world stage, we hold barbaric
and archaic views that foster alienation. On the other hand, piety is not owned by any one culture in particular
but is taught by various institutions through out the world to maintain an orderly society.+1 on the above,
I might add lack of education and critical thinking has created an ignorant society.
Adding pride to the mix, an ignorant and proud society in turn resulted in barbaric and violent behavior, leveraging religion / tradition as an excuse for their barbaric behavior.The same pattern can be found elsewhere in the world, the european neo-nazis or american rednecks is another good example.
Proud + Religion/Tradition + Ignorant => Violent and barbaric behavior.http//www.beachamjournal.com/.a/6a01053653b3c7970b0133ec9b82be970b-800wi
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Greetings of Peace!
Nice to see your insightful replies. Glad to read all the varied responses.
Just to clarify my point, I am not praising the west, nor doubting the glorious message of the Holy Qur'an. I have only voiced my concern that though we have the perfect unedited message safe with us for the past millennium, our people have yet to come out of their closed mind-sets. Those amongst us who can, prefer to escape to the west and settle there. This is a fact, whether we like it or not.
One longs to see the tide turn some day, when the edisons and the einsteins, the david humes and the da vincis, the steve jobs and the stephen hawkins rise from the Muslim world. We still look back at the golden age of the Islamic civilization centuries back and for some reason find it difficult to get back on our feet today. It is not just the west, various other societies have grown at rapid pace too. The Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are marching forward with development at break-neck speed, none of whom are Islamic societies. The recent record set by a chinese company named 'Alibaba' as the world's largest IPO ever, is certainly an irony.
Perhaps we can summarise our passiveness in the growth of today's world as being the effect of becoming a community having no interest in the material goals and pleasures of this world. Perhaps our focus being only on the next life, we are unable to push our creative energies in any other direction. In the end, none of the bill gates and new technologies matter, because everything in life is just vanity right?
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Egoistic nature of some with half baked knowledge about the world is the main reason for the problems in muslim world and also the power given to them by the silent muslim majority. Their idols do stop the muslims from undestanding the true form of God/Nature.
All messages brought forward by saints and prophets are peaceful, but cause issues when it takes the shape of a rigid form called RELIGION, esp current Islamic religion.