Rest in peace James Foley
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So much words . I have to agree with you that sunnis take most of the toll and majority of sunnis condemn ISIS. But it doesn't change the fact that ISIS whole ideology was drawn from Sunni Books of Hadith and Sunnah, Tafsir and Seerat. I do not blame all the sunnis for the atrocities of ISIS but i insist that ISIS ideology is a full application of sunni teachings. You can't keep cursing these militants all day while the very books from which you teach your women to cover in black from head to toe, to refraim from smiling in public etc legalizes offensive Jihad to install Sharia and other atrocities ISIS commit in the name of Islam.
For long we 've been urging orthodox muslims, "return to the Quran alone and be open to rational interpretation, leave out secondary sources, they are full of conjectures and lacking of any Quranic or logical basis, they breed extremism, ultraconservatism, aggression and backwardness". But they would not heed, they stuck with their leaders who labelled us modernists, heretics and even apostates. The truth is that no one is 100% evil in this. Even the militants were good minded muslims seeking the best path untill stumbling upon pages of revered Hadith, Tafsir and Sirat radicalized and send them down the path of villainy.
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My point is that the people who are fighting ISIS are actually Sunnis. The Kurdish Muslims, especially the Peshmerga(Who are fighting ISIS), is predominantly Sunni for example.
I'm not Sunni(Or maybe I consider myself traditionally) but I'm not going to defend Sunnism or any religion in particular, however I see religious extremism as a result in the lack of education too and I agree with you on what you say about the hadiths. 100% of the ISIS-militants are uneducated rats who still until this day call an airplane 'the flying machine'.. How embarassing. There are bad Sunnis and there are good Sunnis. In the levant, there are good secular Sunnis and in South-Asia and Europe there are bad Sunnis because these people are uneducated. Most Sunnis I know here eat pork meat, drink beer and are really secular this is because Sweden made them secular thanks to the education they were given and the society they grew up in. The Yugoslavian/Balkan Sunnis I've met tend to be really secular, and the Lebanese Muslims too. My Bosnian muslim friend who was born a Sunni eats pork meat, parties a lot and goes to Denmark to f'ck prostitutes and even my Lebanese friend does that as well!
Personally as a muslim, I believe that no religion should be given any fund whether it be Judaism, Christianity, Islam or Hinduism because there is nothing to gain from it - it's better to put it on science. The Arab countries need to stop focusing on improving South-Asia and start focusing on their own countries instead. The Saudi regime needs to be removed.. It's a cancer that is pulling its country to the stone age with the help of the European clowns. The Europeans are actually taking an advantage from Saudi-Arabia by selling them some primitive weapons. The Europeans are stupid and have no weapons and only knows how to beg America for help. The Saudi regime benefits Europe a lot given the fact that the Saudi regime spends billions of dollars especially on mosques in Europe. Hillary Clinton was given a medal by Abdullah.. For what? Killing children with drones? What an idiot the Saudi regime is. The West is quiet about its ally the Bahranian regime were the regime is killing protestors everyday. As for South-Asia the Saudi regime spends a lot of funds on mosques there too while putting money on the worst things ever. The Sheikhs needs to be found and arrested.. All of them. The religious are the ones who are the most evil one. I'm not religious, and I could care less about the other people who share the same religion as me. I for starters hate the Muslims who support Israel it's because they are so God damn stupid and think that they are somehow 'special' because they are the only ones doing it. Between my religion and my country, I'd choose my country anyday. The Arab countries have many brilliant scientists living in the Western countries.. These scientists should come back to the Arab countries and contribute after the new leaders are done getting rid of the religious morons one by one. The Europeans or the Americans do not deserve this.. They don't deserve to have foreign scientists living in their countries. Let them go back to whining about Immigration. Jesus once said 'Never throw pearls at swines'. Anyway Syria has really amazing people and Iran too. Carlos Menem is of Syrian origin who was the president of Argentina from 1989 to 1999. Or people like Steve Jobs who is of Syrian origin too or American politicians like Mitch Daniels. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Daniels
The Sheikhs especially the radical ones will all be removed and replaced with the Arab scientists. I seek to get rid of religious stupidity. Sadly I've seen foreign Muslims who live in the Arab countries and support the enemies of the Arab countries like ISIS or Israel. It's time that we deport them. That Jordanian sheikh who loves Israel so much needs to be removed IMO - He can be deported to Europe instead. Their argument for supporting Israel ''BECAUSE THE QUR'AN SAID SO!!!''.. Yet they've never even read the Qur'an obviously. They should actually get a proper education rather than to become religious idiots. I know more about Islam than them. The European 'muslims' need to screw off from the Arab countries.
ou can't keep cursing these militants all day while the very books from which you teach your women to cover in black from head to toe, to refraim from smiling in public etc legalizes offensive Jihad to install Sharia and other atrocities ISIS commit in the name of Islam.
They are not my books. Such books should be burned really.. And you can't say 'your women', I don't own any women and I never would. I don't believe in forcing anyone into wearing a niqab or a hijab if that's what you think infact I'm against it, and I'm sure that most Sunnis have this id?a as well. I bet the Danish and the British Sunnis think the opposite.. They are evil as hell. This should be blamed on Denmark and Britain too for making them act like retards. Sweden on the otherhand has made many Muslims realize that being religious is not everything. Sweden is based on equality which is why many countries tries to copy Sweden but they actually fail which is what makes Sweden unique. Sweden is ranked as the 4th country(45%) when it comes to who has the most women in parliament. Israel, Britain and Denmark all tries to copy Sweden but they fail so much especially Israel. Denmark on otherhand is wannabe Sweden.. Really Denmark has terrible history, culture and language. Sweden destroys Denmark in terms of everything. I grew up in Sweden and I think it's a really good country which some would consider as as 'Qur'anist country', but I really don't. The fact that the country is good is due to the people who developed it. They never used religion and they never needed God either.
The Levant on the otherhand is not like the African countries were you see groups like Boko Haram or Pakistan/India were rape is high. Lebanon is really an amazing country, and so is Syria. The Muslims I've met there are really nice people. The Christians I've met are really nice and good people too.. Not like the moronic Danish Christians who still probaly believe that Allah is some kind of 'satan'.
ISIS is a foreign group mostly made up by European 'muslims' who aren't really Muslims however just remember that the group is NOT from the levant or Iraq. Really why is it always the Europeans who give Islam a bad name.. But it's not only Islam, it's also Judaism. The European Jews are a perfect example.. Zionism is a European ideology for example which makes Judaism look bad. The Europeans will always be like ''Oh take a look at those Muslims they are killing each other'' without realizing the fact that Muslims are killing European scumbags i.e ISIS. European nationals being exterminated everyday which is perfect.
Even the militants were good minded muslims seeking the best path untill stumbling upon pages of revered Hadith, Tafsir and Sirat radicalized and send them down the path of villainy.
I disagree. The militants were never good minded muslims, and they were never even muslims to begin with. They were born evil, and hell is the only place they deserve.
How we can improve Islam's reputation is by removing all the Danish and the British muslims. They shouldn't be allowed to consider themselves Muslims.. They're given Islam a bad name.
I've come to this conclusion that those who are really bad are the Europeans, South-Asians and the Saudi regime/Wahabbis/Religious extremists. They're giving Islam a bad name.
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I 've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God.
Many of these hadith-brainwashed fighters in IS are indoctrinated in Europe and the west.
We have to make a stand. We have to inform our political parties what these institutions really stand for and make it clear to them they do not represent Islam, in contrary they are creating state enemies.
I will not stop before I see this sunnite monopoly in my country broken and destroyed. It would be nice to have some mosques around that actually represent Islamic values instead of spreading propaganda for an evil-natured Caliphate and justifications for violations of human rights.
If we are going to break the monopoly of the Orthodox muslims on Islam, then we have to fix ourselves first.
In the middle east, we pathetically have no voice at all. In the west, we have little voice but we remain suppressed by the extremists. Virtually all the mosques and Islamic schools in the west are run by Hadith loving muslims. And so yearly, the rate of radicalization of muslims in the west increases significantly. How many schools or mosques adhering to God alone do we have in the west?
There are so many websites disseminating extreme and ultra conservative ideas even in the west. How many websites do we have to counter these orthodox sites. This is the only online forum where Quran and God alone is being promoted but then it is scanty, difficult to navigate and almost lifeless but there are numerous sunni forums all over google. Aside Brother Ahmed Mansour 's IQC and Edip Yuksel 's Youtube channel there is no significant voice from our side on internet. -
Then how many of us have truely embraced our Quranic views? Some, after rejecting Hadith just forget everything about the message and disappear. Some just become closet Quran alone muslims, but still entrenched in sunni practices either for the sake of family ties or maybe not ready to make that shift just yet.
@runninglikezebras, i appreciate your concern and effort but in general we 've not demonstrated the capacity of making that change. We lack the strength of brotherhood that have been keeping the sectarians in power.
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Peace Neptin.
Good question you posed "Are we ready"?
Each and everyone of us needs to ask this question individually first.
Imagine you are meeting your Creator tomorrow, are you ready to face Him? If the answer is positive, Only then you can lead by example?
Even so, it is GOD who is in control and we have to trust Him and involve Him as well?
Taking GOD s words seriously, every word, is a start.
GOD bless you.
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I 've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God.
Sadly and as much as I hate to say it the only politicians here in Sweden who seem to have a brain when it comes to dealing with the Islamists are the ring-wingers. You should tell your politicians to arrest these Islamist scumbags who come back and not just revoke their citizenship and let them get away with their crimes like Britain or Denmark is doing. Most importantly is to not allow them to even leave the country.
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James Foley was brutally murdered by the criminals who support hadith and sunnah. I strongly condemn this crime. It shows the true nature of the sectarians. This has encouraged me to take action. I've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God. My thoughts go out to the friends and family of James Foley. I cant imagine their sadness.
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The butcher who executed this horrible murder was clearly using some kind of London accent. Many of these hadith-brainwashed fighters in IS are indoctrinated in Europe and the west. Many of the Islamic institutions are funded with government/tax money. We have to take a stand and break this deadlock. How will we ever defeat this sectarian monopoly on Islam if we just let them receive tax money to continue their indoctrination of muslims? We have to make a stand. We have to inform our political parties what these institutions really stand for and make it clear to them they do not represent Islam, in contrary they are creating state enemies.
I will not stop before I see this sunnite monopoly in my country broken and destroyed. It would be nice to have some mosques around that actually represent Islamic values instead of spreading propaganda for an evil-natured Caliphate and justifications for violations of human rights.
The muslim executive got called out in my country to distance itself from IS. They first refused, later they released a press statement saying they dont share the same islamic values. But they are lying. Ask them about their hadith and sunnah and you will find out, secretly they share the same values as IS. It's time to break down this sectarian wall for good.
I asked this question in another thread I started about the impact ISI is having on the Muslim world. You are right that the sects differences with ISIS is tactical and not strategic. They share similar values but differ in applications. They both believe that prisoners of war can be executed by orders of the Muslim ruler.
I was wondering the impact this might have on Quranist Islam. This might be a good opening for us to finally get Muslims to see these sects for what they are.
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My country has the most of all European countries fighting for IS. Not only the sunnite indoctrination contributes to those figures, also the growing islamophobia. I guess that is not an issue in Indonesia. The growing islamophobia makes these muslims even more motivated to fight for IS.
I do accuse the sunni community of hypocrisy though. They might feel IS is wrong but the hadith and the sunnah they defend share the same principles with IS. We should use this caliphate as an example of what their unauthorized teachings lead to. It's hypocritical to defend the theology of sunnism while condemning the acts of IS.
Very good point.