What do you think of WikiIslam's "questions for Qur'anists?"

Man_of_Faith

I find that they are ignorant questions and are based on a delusional perception of what God ever taught. Some of the questions are even factually wrong.

Be of one with God

Jafar

Sectarian mindset drives sectarian questions..

I found similar mindset among other sectarian groups, namely Christians and Jews (Judaist)

Wakas

peace plato2,

I think the questions are of a poor quality and anyone who thinks they are sound questions should think and question more. Here is some brief replies

We reject traditional hadith as obligatory/authoritative as they have no authority, as per Quran.

see www.misconceptions-about-islam.com

We dont accept any traditional hadith as fact, even the "good" ones. Some may be true however.

see http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/External-References-Islam-Hoyland.pdf

see www.misconceptions-about-islam.com
and
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/disproved_traditional_salat.htm
incorrect, see
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601390.msg263468#msg263468

Yes it does, see
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm
Perhaps the questioner means "The Quran doesn't explain what most think salat is" - assumes this "salat" is correct.

8 ) The Quran doesn't state 3 nor 5 see
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html

see
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13605.msg117237#msg117237

Those following a Quran based islam are growing and been around since the Quran
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/opponents-tradition-cook.docx
http//meine-islam-reform.de/index.php/component/attachments/download/119.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601756.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597951.msg194971#msg194971

see point 10

We dont need such unnecessary information. All the necessary information we need is in Quran
see http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran_clear_complete_detailed_explained.htm

How does one verify a truth? This is the same way in which to verify Quran
see http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597396.msg191658#msg191658

Irrelevant
I recommend http//www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
and looking up ad hominen, appeal to emotion, guilt by association, poisening the well

It's content, read. Also see
http//www.quran434.com/Does-God-Exist.pdf

FindingRightPathToAllah

Salaam,

I think these questions are absurd and very easy to answer too even for me, but I can not believe WikiIslam promote and hold such illogical questions. I went to this WikiIslam to see what they had to say about the Science in Quran and actually took their arguments seriously just to see both sides for me decide weather the science in Quran is true or not.

First, it is them calling us Quranist is wrong if they know we take guidance from Quran, and there is no such word Quranist exist in Quran. It is the others who started calling us from what they assume. We never said we are Quranists.
Anyway, I will answer from what I know of.

Why do you deny the hadith? Is it because you are ashamed of your prophet?

Why should I be ashamed of? What did he do? I do not deny hadith. I follow what God calls the best Hadith and not a fabricated Hadith, the Quran.

Does it bother you that even without the hadith, the Qur'an sanctions pedophilia, domestic abuse, and many other crimes? Shouldn't you embrace your apostasy and get rid of the Qur'an?

Where? I can not find any. Any verses will be appreciated if one finds it. What apostasy? Why should I care for men-made laws when God says different.

Why do some of you accept the hadiths that make Muhammad look good and reject the ones that make him look bad? Do you enjoy being intellectually dishonest?

Which Hadiths? I follow only one acceptable Hadith according to God, the Quran. I do not accept anything else. I read the rest be it Bible/Torah/any book for knowledge purposes and might take it if it does not contradict Quran. Though, even if I accept, I only ASSUME it most probably might be, but I will never follow it and take as a word of God. Other books other than Quran are like any other books which I learn from as God said to seek knowledge, but that does not mean they are word of God or I should take it as source of God especially when they contradicts Quran. So where do this making Mohammad look good and bad comes from? If I am reading Bible/Torah, does this mean I am looking to make Jesus, Moses, Ibrahim and all Prophets there in order to make them look good and bad? confused

The historical evidence for Muhammad is found in the hadith and sirat. If you do not accept these sources, how do you know your prophet ever existed?

Quran has sayings of Prophet. If Quran has his sayings and actions, of course, then I know then he existed.

5.If you reject the hadith, you lose the whole context and order of the Qur'anic revelations. So is there no compulsion in religion or do you have to slay the idolaters wherever you find them?

What context, order, and revelations? God says nothing we have omitted out from this book and it is detailed. Allah also says nothing shall abrogate his words. I am sure there are many more verses like that.

6.Why do you believe the Qur'an is the uncorrupted word of God, when the narrators of corrupted hadith are the same people who passed down the Qur'an?

There is no where in Quran where it says narrators of hadiths are the same people who passed down the Quran. God revealed it to Prophet. God says he will be the guardian of it. It is the history and what people say they passed it and all. Tomorrow someone else will come and tell me his forefathers brought Quran, should I also believe him?

The Qur'an never explains how to offer salat. Who taught you how to pray?

It does explain it. It talks about Wudu, Prostration, and what to say in salat, the timing, and so on. Now it is up the the individual, what they take from this.

The Qur'an says there should be 3 daily prayers. Who told you to pray 5 times?

And when did people assume we pray 5 times or even 3 times? It is up to the person what they understand about how many times are the prayers in Quran.

The Qur'an mentions Abu Lahab. Without referencing "corrupted" hadith, please tell us who is he and why does Allah hate him?

I have to check this myself, but it would not be hard. One mostly just have to look at the context verses or read the whole chapter to understand a verse.

Is it upsetting knowing that most Muslims think you follow an obscure cult and that you're a non-Muslim?

No, I worry what God think of me, and I get upset more over the fanatics from every religion and group who oppress others. What others just think doesn't really matter. There will always be those who will think negatively about others no matter how nice one is, so better to not worry about it all the time and enjoy life.

One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So why are there so many of you on the net?

??? What does this mean?

Why accuse the Sunnis and Shi'ites, who've been following hadith for 1000+ years, of innovation, when it's you who's the innovator?

I did not accuse them. How am I innovator? I follow Quran which came way centuries before fabricated hadiths were written. So who are the innovators?

What did Muhammad look like? How many wives did he have and what were their names? What were the names of his children? How old was he when he first received his prophethood? When and how did he die? Do you even know anything about your prophet?

How does his personal life have anything to do with his message? At the end of the day, he was a messenger and what his message was is in Quran. How does knowing how many wives he had, his age, his habits, his color, his hobbies, his friends, and all this got to do anything with his MESSAGE?

Why do you accept the revelations given to someone who you know nothing about?

Same repeated question is asked. The answer to this is the same answer given in question four.

Did you know that Rashad Khalifa was a lying pedophile and rapist?

Who is he and why should I care? Is he mentioned in Quran? I have heard he claimed to be a messenger and removed 2 verses from Quran, but how does that concern me? f he is lying pedophile and rapist, then God can judge him and again what has that to do with Quran?

If you don't accept the history behind the compilation of the Qur'an, what makes it different from any other poorly written Medieval text? How do you know that (like The True Furqan) it's not an old parody?

It makes it different because it is logical, has universal views and applies to all people, has many examples applied to different situations, reasonable, has science which is good if one wants to see a sign in it, and if one reads it, it just can not be possible to be written by a human. One can feel it if one is sincere and patient enough to seek guidance from Lord. There can be other reasons too, but these are the reasons for me so far.

huruf

I have read two questions and I haven't got any further, what a heap of nonsense.

It as if I ask my neighbour Why are you fourlegged? He will look at me and think simultanoeusly of the asylum for lunatics and rightly so.

Glory to wikiwikiwikiwiki. I do prefer kiwi kiwi kiwi

Salaam

reel

What is funny is that why hadiths must be rejected is answered quite well by another anti Islam site called Answering Islam. Wkiislam claims to have found mistakes in Quran despite the fact that most often they insert their own words inside the verses to make them look like they are wrong or violent. Why we reject hadith is given within the section of this forum's hadith section. Feel free to read the threads. Yet if you feel lazy here are some of the answers

Why do you deny the hadith? Is it because you are ashamed of your prophet?
We deny hadiths because it is instructed by Allah in Quran. Also because it is based on hearsay. If you want us to believe in hadith books you have to prove that chinese whisper of 250 years has the ability to provide 100% accurate answers. We aren't ashamed of our Prophet. But we just know that the man in the hadith book is someone other than him. Why should we uphold lies? Why should we be blind followers? Why should we believe in lies just to please the society? Isn't there something called brain? That's what we are trying to use. Can wikiislam people prove that he had 9 to 11 wives? Do they have evidence that all the stories found in hadith books about are correct?
Does it bother you that even without the hadith, the Qur'an sanctions pedophilia, domestic abuse, and many other crimes? Shouldn't you embrace your apostasy and get rid of the Qur'an?
If Wikiislam people are so rational and focused how on earth they have trouble in understanding that beating is equal to leave also? Why did they skip the verse that comes after the beating one? Is it because just like blind Muslims, they follow some village scholar? Why didn't they understand the verse about so called pedophillia is actually about fruits and waiters?
Why do some of you accept the hadiths that make Muhammad look good and reject the ones that make him look bad? Do you enjoy being intellectually dishonest?
Hadiths are forbidden, period! Here is one of the many verses that says so 6112 - We have permitted the enemies of every prophet?human and jinn devils?to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

Some people still accept a few hadiths probably because they want to please their hadith following friends or they have trouble breaking away from traditions. As sectless Muslims, we are not going to force them to reject hadith books. Allah hates those who do such things.

The historical evidence for Muhammad is found in the hadith and sirat. If you do not accept these sources, how do you know your prophet ever existed?
LOL, when did hearsay become historical evidence? See answer 1. As for sirat, do you realize it was written in India? Also the writer does not claim that whatever he wrote in it were truth. The book goes with "he said" she said", "they thought", etc etc. He said in it, that he was not sure if they were truly facts.

5.If you reject the hadith, you lose the whole context and order of the Qur'anic revelations. So is there no compulsion in religion or do you have to slay the idolaters wherever you find them?

First of all, I don't think knowing the order of Quranic revelations can help me in becoming a good human being. Wikiislam now proves to be 100 percent fraud. Any person who read Quran in his own language knows the verse where Allah says that Quran explains itself.

Why do you believe the Qur'an is the uncorrupted word of God, when the narrators of corrupted hadith are the same people who passed down the Qur'an?
Tell them to find a day job. It looks like they mostly copy what others write. The question above is taken from combat kit that hadith followers made against Quran followers. Anyways, if a liar memorizes a real poem and recites it in front of you will probably not believe him, but you will know that the poem he is reciting is in correct form especially if rest of the people around you know the poem. Not all friends of Prophet Muhammad were saints. But there is no way to corrupt the Quran because it can be fully memorized. This is what his friends did. Even today, you will find 3 year old who memorized the entire Quran. Same is not true for hadith books. They aren't poetic. They are simply "sayings" which can change structure with more people talking about them.
The Qur'an never explains how to offer salat. Who taught you how to pray?
Another sign that Wikiilam people never read the Quran, but just haunted for verses online to make them look violent. Salat exists in Quran. Traditional Muslims have abandoned it to worship the scholars. In fact, hadith books dont have full salat. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ppRxGodDCk&list=PLCEFD55F9A8E6A4E0 Why didn't the "all knolwedgable" wiki islam writers see this?
The Qur'an says there should be 3 daily prayers. Who told you to pray 5 times?
No, Quran talks about 5 prayers. Some people thought its 3 prayers because all of us have started following our religion from the scratch. We used to be the fools among 1.6 billion Muslims. WikiIslam, come up with original questions. Stop copying someone else's work.
The Qur'an mentions Abu Lahab. Without referencing "corrupted" hadith, please tell us who is he and why does Allah hate him?
Honestly speaking, I don't think Hadith books got it right about him, for they claim, his named was changed to Abu Lahab from Abdul Uzzah in Quran. That's outright stupid to believe.

Here is the stupid explanation given by hadith followers
His real name is Abdul Uzzah, who was an idol/false god. So Allah does not dignify him by mentioning the false god that he worshiped. Also nobody is the slave of Uzzah so his name is a lie so Allah does not mention his name.
Because he is of the people of the Fire and Allah is going to put him in a flame that is flickering red, why not call him by his nickname because his nickname has now been given a new meaning. Now when he is called Abu Lahab, he?s not called that because he has redish skin or he looks good, but because he?s going to be in a Lahab forever.

Problem Allah mentions baal and even satan in Quran. Both are liars and even now get worships from people. Therefore, the story found in Hadith is a lie. The Surah simply implies that this Abu Lahab guy was evil. Hence, I don't think knowing about him will help me in my Islamic journey. We don't need to spend time on trivial things.

Is it upsetting knowing that most Muslims think you follow an obscure cult and that you're a non-Muslim?One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So why are there so many of you on the net?
Not really. What they think is not important to us, for they are neither our parents nor they promised us to lessen our pain during our death. They don't even bring us income and food. We don't break rules. We don't go around following pharao's rules like burning someone just because they don't follow what we follow. Also we aren't village idiots who must always try to please the society. Is wikiislam run by third graders? What kind of idiot asks "One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So why are there so many of you on the net?"
Why accuse the Sunnis and Shi'ites, who've been following hadith for 1000+ years, of innovation, when it's you who's the innovator?
Once again, stop parroting someone else's work. Learn the meaning of innovation. Enroll in basic business studies class and you will know its meaning. Apparently, innovations were started by hadith followers and here we are trying to go back to Quran.
What did Muhammad look like? How many wives did he have and what were their names? What were the names of his children? How old was he when he first received his prophethood? When and how did he die? Do you even know anything about your prophet?
WikiIslam Dude, Prophets are not Hollywood celebrities. How they look like contributes nothing in our Islamic journey. However, from our discussion, we presumed that according to Quran, he had two wives. We'll provide update once we find out the ultimate truth. Note that we have started from the scratch.
Why do you accept the revelations given to someone who you know nothing about?
Who says we don't know him? Didnt Allah mention our Prophet in Quran? I thought wikiislam people claim to know bits and pieces of our text.
Did you know that Rashad Khalifa was a lying pedophile and rapist?
Who cares what he was? We aren't his followers. Those who follow him are called submitters.
If you don't accept the history behind the compilation of the Qur'an, what makes it different from any other poorly written Medieval text? How do you know that (like The True Furqan) it's not an old parody?
If you read the Quran you will know why we accept Quran. Once again, the history adds no value to our Islamic journey.

This is how I feel about Wikiislam and hadith followers who came up with the combat kit.
http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-iAhEbgcw46c/UfUUJ8AwuFI/AAAAAAAACaI/DnA_jjtv2gY/s1600/scam.jpg

Rahid27898

WikiIslam is brainwashing peoples mind. Many of the people visits that site because they want to learn about islam. Also most editor of WkiIslam are from traditional Islamic families. But WikiIslam tells all the lies, hadiths and all supertitious beliefs, they also have a page which shows how many people left Islam. I think its misguiding people but also letting people think 'what the truth is?'.

FindingRightPathToAllah

What is funny is that why hadiths must be rejected is answered quite well by another anti Islam site called Answering Islam. Wkiislam claims to have found mistakes in Quran despite the fact that most often they insert their own words inside the verses to make them look like they are wrong or violent. Why we reject hadith is given within the section of this forum's hadith section. Feel free to read the threads. Yet if you feel lazy here are some of the answers

Why do you deny the hadith? Is it because you are ashamed of your prophet?
We deny hadiths because it is instructed by Allah in Quran. Also because it is based on hearsay. If you want us to believe in hadith books you have to prove that chinese whisper of 250 years has the ability to provide 100% accurate answers. We aren't ashamed of our Prophet. But we just know that the man in the hadith book is someone other than him. Why should we uphold lies? Why should we be blind followers? Why should we believe in lies just to please the society? Isn't there something called brain? That's what we are trying to use. Can wikiislam people prove that he had 9 to 11 wives? Do they have evidence that all the stories found in hadith books about are correct?
Does it bother you that even without the hadith, the Qur'an sanctions pedophilia, domestic abuse, and many other crimes? Shouldn't you embrace your apostasy and get rid of the Qur'an?
If Wikiislam people are so rational and focused how on earth they have trouble in understanding that beating is equal to leave also? Why did they skip the verse that comes after the beating one? Is it because just like blind Muslims, they follow some village scholar? Why didn't they understand the verse about so called pedophillia is actually about fruits and waiters?
Why do some of you accept the hadiths that make Muhammad look good and reject the ones that make him look bad? Do you enjoy being intellectually dishonest?
Hadiths are forbidden, period! Here is one of the many verses that says so 6112 - We have permitted the enemies of every prophet?human and jinn devils?to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

Some people still accept a few hadiths probably because they want to please their hadith following friends or they have trouble breaking away from traditions. As sectless Muslims, we are not going to force them to reject hadith books. Allah hates those who do such things.

The historical evidence for Muhammad is found in the hadith and sirat. If you do not accept these sources, how do you know your prophet ever existed?
LOL, when did hearsay become historical evidence? See answer 1. As for sirat, do you realize it was written in India? Also the writer does not claim that whatever he wrote in it were truth. The book goes with "he said" she said", "they thought", etc etc. He said in it, that he was not sure if they were truly facts.

5.If you reject the hadith, you lose the whole context and order of the Qur'anic revelations. So is there no compulsion in religion or do you have to slay the idolaters wherever you find them?

First of all, I don't think knowing the order of Quranic revelations can help me in becoming a good human being. Wikiislam now proves to be 100 percent fraud. Any person who read Quran in his own language knows the verse where Allah says that Quran explains itself.

Why do you believe the Qur'an is the uncorrupted word of God, when the narrators of corrupted hadith are the same people who passed down the Qur'an?
Tell them to find a day job. It looks like they mostly copy what others write. The question above is taken from combat kit that hadith followers made against Quran followers. Anyways, if a liar memorizes a real poem and recites it in front of you will probably not believe him, but you will know that the poem he is reciting is in correct form especially if rest of the people around you know the poem. Not all friends of Prophet Muhammad were saints. But there is no way to corrupt the Quran because it can be fully memorized. This is what his friends did. Even today, you will find 3 year old who memorized the entire Quran. Same is not true for hadith books. They aren't poetic. They are simply "sayings" which can change structure with more people talking about them.
The Qur'an never explains how to offer salat. Who taught you how to pray?
Another sign that Wikiilam people never read the Quran, but just haunted for verses online to make them look violent. Salat exists in Quran. Traditional Muslims have abandoned it to worship the scholars. In fact, hadith books dont have full salat. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ppRxGodDCk&list=PLCEFD55F9A8E6A4E0 Why didn't the "all knolwedgable" wiki islam writers see this?
The Qur'an says there should be 3 daily prayers. Who told you to pray 5 times?
No, Quran talks about 5 prayers. Some people thought its 3 prayers because all of us have started following our religion from the scratch. We used to be the fools among 1.6 billion Muslims. WikiIslam, come up with original questions. Stop copying someone else's work.
The Qur'an mentions Abu Lahab. Without referencing "corrupted" hadith, please tell us who is he and why does Allah hate him?
Honestly speaking, I don't think Hadith books got it right about him, for they claim, his named was changed to Abu Lahab from Abdul Uzzah in Quran. That's outright stupid to believe.

Here is the stupid explanation given by hadith followers
His real name is Abdul Uzzah, who was an idol/false god. So Allah does not dignify him by mentioning the false god that he worshiped. Also nobody is the slave of Uzzah so his name is a lie so Allah does not mention his name.
Because he is of the people of the Fire and Allah is going to put him in a flame that is flickering red, why not call him by his nickname because his nickname has now been given a new meaning. Now when he is called Abu Lahab, he?s not called that because he has redish skin or he looks good, but because he?s going to be in a Lahab forever.

Problem Allah mentions baal and even satan in Quran. Both are liars and even now get worships from people. Therefore, the story found in Hadith is a lie. The Surah simply implies that this Abu Lahab guy was evil. Hence, I don't think knowing about him will help me in my Islamic journey. We don't need to spend time on trivial things.

Is it upsetting knowing that most Muslims think you follow an obscure cult and that you're a non-Muslim?One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So why are there so many of you on the net?
Not really. What they think is not important to us, for they are neither our parents nor they promised us to lessen our pain during our death. They don't even bring us income and food. We don't break rules. We don't go around following pharao's rules like burning someone just because they don't follow what we follow. Also we aren't village idiots who must always try to please the society. Is wikiislam run by third graders? What kind of idiot asks "One can be a Muslim their entire life without ever meeting a "Qur'anist". So why are there so many of you on the net?"
Why accuse the Sunnis and Shi'ites, who've been following hadith for 1000+ years, of innovation, when it's you who's the innovator?
Once again, stop parroting someone else's work. Learn the meaning of innovation. Enroll in basic business studies class and you will know its meaning. Apparently, innovations were started by hadith followers and here we are trying to go back to Quran.
What did Muhammad look like? How many wives did he have and what were their names? What were the names of his children? How old was he when he first received his prophethood? When and how did he die? Do you even know anything about your prophet?
WikiIslam Dude, Prophets are not Hollywood celebrities. How they look like contributes nothing in our Islamic journey. However, from our discussion, we presumed that according to Quran, he had two wives. We'll provide update once we find out the ultimate truth. Note that we have started from the scratch.
Why do you accept the revelations given to someone who you know nothing about?
Who says we don't know him? Didnt Allah mention our Prophet in Quran? I thought wikiislam people claim to know bits and pieces of our text.
Did you know that Rashad Khalifa was a lying pedophile and rapist?
Who cares what he was? We aren't his followers. Those who follow him are called submitters.
If you don't accept the history behind the compilation of the Qur'an, what makes it different from any other poorly written Medieval text? How do you know that (like The True Furqan) it's not an old parody?
If you read the Quran you will know why we accept Quran. Once again, the history adds no value to our Islamic journey.

This is how I feel about Wikiislam and hadith followers who came up with the combat kit.
http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-iAhEbgcw46c/UfUUJ8AwuFI/AAAAAAAACaI/DnA_jjtv2gY/s1600/scam.jpg

Lol, Reel, I love your answers and the picture rotfl

reel

Lol, Reel, I love your answers and the picture

Heehee thank you. I feel about the typos. I come to forum before bedtime. Hence, my sleepy head messes up the words. I just came from wikiislam. Noticed that they use hadith books and tafsirs to prove Quran is bad and all. That's why, they provided those questions. We create problems for them because we tend to dissect the words for proper meanings. It looks like they have 0 percent idea about what they are writing. Too much copy and paste from hadith books and tafsirs. I made a mistake when I thought they were trying to be rational. It looks like they either have some kind of psychological problem for which they spend time on what they don't believe in or there is some group paying them to run the site.

Man_of_Faith

Spiritual harmony be upon you reel,

Noticed that they use hadith books and tafsirs to prove Quran is bad and all.

So you mean that they seek errors in Qur'an using the so-called hadith books of Muhammad? Is that only for the goal of invalidating the so-called 'Qur'an-alone Islam' in favor for the sectarian Islam?

How stray are they starting to become?

That's why, they provided those questions.

Okay. It sounds severe.

It looks like they have 0 percent idea about what they are writing.

No. They have not. Since they protect the traditional sectarian ways and now in total honesty that they reject what is written in the so-called "Islamic scripture" Qur'an and find that it is filled with errors. It is as if they admit that they are running a sect, which is feeling good in one way.

Now it is just missing that 'mmkhan' was right about his study that the word 'Muhammad' is not a name of a person and it is complete; Islam sect utterly nullified and a stand-alone sect from so-called "Islam" ( is not a name but means "be spiritually definite thereof" and goes in conjunction with 'amen' "be thereof one&quot, and has nothing to do with the prophet who came with Qur'an and his teachings.

I made a mistake when I thought they were trying to be rational. It looks like they either have some kind of psychological problem for which they spend time on what they don't believe in or there is some group paying them to run the site.

They are a bit that way. They are deluded (kafar) and they cannot see their fallacies in their utter darkness (mariz) even if one is calling on the problems of their perception in a comprehensible way. God has warned about this and I am fully aware of the phenomenon now. The only way to "turn them around" is radiant exposure of the light in a good way, but mouth-fighting them will not lead to a solution but only probably reinforcing their delusional struggle. One must be able to find "thought-provokers" and something that catches their attention. It is really a hard situation for someone who is so deluded and determined he or she is right. One should pity them even if it is hard since they may be potentially dangerous and unfriendly, but fighting fire with fire is no solution.

Be of one with God

FindingRightPathToAllah

Heehee thank you. I feel about the typos. I come to forum before bedtime. Hence, my sleepy head messes up the words. I just came from wikiislam. Noticed that they use hadith books and tafsirs to prove Quran is bad and all. That's why, they provided those questions. We create problems for them because we tend to dissect the words for proper meanings. It looks like they have 0 percent idea about what they are writing. Too much copy and paste from hadith books and tafsirs. I made a mistake when I thought they were trying to be rational. It looks like they either have some kind of psychological problem for which they spend time on what they don't believe in or there is some group paying them to run the site.

I used to think it was an actual site about Islam, and then I realized it was against it. I also thought they were trying to be rational.

reel

I began feeling suspicious about the site ever since Ismelled negativity in all articles. Later I found them inserting foreign words within verses. Now they use those Quran translation sites and put links back to them. However, they avoid Sahih internation.
WikiIslam Debunked
The site was started by Ali Sina, the Iranian ex Muslim (propaganda ). However, it looks like Ali Sina is a made up name for a group of fake ex Muslims. They call themselves atheists and human rights activists, but strangely, here and there, the character speaks of how Muslims should be in hell. Point to note, atheists don't believe in afterlife, heaven and hell. Human rights activists don't speak of nuking other humans. But just like feminism, the entire human rights movement has been polluted by fake activists. I went to research more on this character. I come to conclusion that the men behind this character are terrorists.

Here is the investigation report on Ali Sina and his WikiIslam
Sourcehttp//www.truthexposed.co.uk/who_is_ali_sina.html (Page 1)
Developed by a team of individuals who go by the name of Ali Sina. Ali Sina claims to be an ex-muslim who eventually converted to Atheism who now pledges that he is a humanist and upholds the Human Rights. He places a challenge to all muslims to confront him on any of the matters raised on his site and that he will offer a $50,000.00 US Dollars to whoever manages to prove that he is wrong as well as closing down his site.

I have personally viewed his website which is full of insults, foul language, spread of hatred, hundreds which go against the Human Rights Act which is constantly used to discredit and abuse Muslims but when quoted to protect them it is viewed as a bad representation of the Act, many knowledgeable individuals debated him and disproved countless allegations raised by Mr. Sina and his followers and yet his website remains open.

Was he really a Muslim? Are any of his followers who utilise muslim names and e-mail addresses really muslims? - See our page for How to identify a Muslim

Does he really have Arabic knowlege or does he browse other sites written by Muslims and copy the same information?

Does he have any real proof or does he base his allegations on word games, twisting the Arabic language to suit his needs and mostly culture which has nothing to do with Islam as the religion?
The challenge is obviously just a way to catch peoples attention and is NOT intended to prove anything. Mr. Sina's credibility is always questioned as despite his fabrications he will NOT debate anyone in public, his apologetic excuse for it is that Muslims have a history of terrorism and could easily get to him.
We will analyze articles on his site and study his and others various comments in order to deface this cunning person who seeks to deceipt all who are knowlegeable. Frankly he can keep his money as he will be able to enjoy his temporary journey in this life which spans around 60-100 years per average person.

Ali Sina's site is obviously a very convincing one, for anyone who has no knowledge or doesn't do his research correctly would fall into his well presented trap.

Faith Freedom authors together with Ali Sina have been caught of the following

Lying on several occasions
Usage of foul language throughout
Using comments made by Muslims by editing them to show only the bad side
Usage of culture based crimes to somehow point that this is related to Islam.
Spreading hatred between all Christians, Jews, Muslims
Claiming to uphold Human Rights and yet going against his own principles.
Lately publishing his book trying to desperately prove Muhammad (Pbuh) was a terrible person and completely ignoring the fact that many have proven him wrong.

So what does Ali Sina think about Islam? He portrays Islam as a menace to society.

In an interview at a forum he describes Islam in short by quoting a verse from the Quran. The concept of Islamic peace is expressed in the verse 2.193 of the Quran.
And fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah.

Ali Sina's intent is to brainwash everyone by implementing the belief that Islam was spread by the sword or by forcing people to become Muslims.

(He purposely ignores historical proof that Islam ruled half the world and allowed other religions to be practised without forcing anyone).

On another forum he wrote the following

If any city in the West is nuked I am 100% for nuking tens of cities in Islamic countries.I don't see Muslims as innocent people. They are all guilty as sin. It is not necessary to be part of al Qaida to be guilty. If you are a Muslim you agree with Muhammad and that is enough evidence against you.

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Sourcehttp//www.truthexposed.co.uk/who_is_ali_sina_page2.html
In another forum he stated the following
I think the world should destroy the Islamic world completely in a way that they can't have any strength to do anything.
He wrote a different article which he entitled ?every time I read a Muslim letter I feel like puking?.

He constantly boasts about debating with anyone by enlightening them about Islam. on other forums he stated the following comments when debating to a Muslim (Screenshot here)

Some of the comments he uses which highlights his level of intellect

I have no compassion for stupid people.

I know what you would do. You have no Brain.

You are Satan worshipper. There is no hope for you. You are destined for hell fire because you are not able to think. You are evil, your prophet was evil and you will go to hell.

In another debate he said (Screenshot here)
This Muslim (I find the word "Muslim" very derogatory and insulting. It is synonymous to stupid, barbarian, thug, arrogant, brain dead, zombie, hooligan, goon, shameless, savage and many other ignoble things.

Ali Sina character is not from Iran at all. He is a pure Israeli who even has connection to terrorist Pamela Geller. His own words reflect what Israelis write at Twitter

We love you Muslims because you are humans like us. We are all related to each other. We are all limbs of the body of mankind. But you are diseased. You are infected by a deadly cult that threatens our lives. Your humanity is destroyed. Like a limb infected by flesh eating disease, now you are a threat to the rest of mankind.

Islam is disease. What does moderate Muslim mean anyway? Does it mean you are moderately diseased?

His connection to terrorists
International Activist Leadership Team to be called the SION President?s Council. The initial members of the President?s Council are SIOE?s Anders Gravers; Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll of the EDL; Debbie Robinson of the Q Society of Australia, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller. The members of the newly formed council unanimously voted to elect Pamela Geller Council President.

? The President?s Council differs from the SION Board, which includes Swiss parliamentarian Oskar Freysinger; Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media; Ashraf Rameleh of Voice of the Copts; Ali Sina of FaithFreedom.org; Wafa Sultan, Stefan Herre of Politically Incorrect in Germany; the Israeli author Dr. Mordechai Kedar; Babu Suseelan; and Anders Gravers of SIOE.

Sourcehttp//spencerwatch.com/2013/01/15/afdisions-leadership-arrests-scandals/

We all Muslims have been saying that terrorists have no religion. Ali Sina, the wiki islam terrorist is just that. He is probably jewish, but he is more interested in divide and rule. Here we go with his antisemetic and anti christian bigotry.

By Ali Sina
But there was another element in shaping his character The influence of Rabbis.

Judaism and Islam have a lot in common. They have basically the same eschatology and very similar teachings. For example few people know that stoning adulterers that is widely practiced in Islam originates from the Bible. Muhammad did practice stoning but he did not insert it in his Quran. But he said when a law is not clearly stated, Muslims should look into the Bible for guidance.

These are all secondary influences of Judaism on Islam. The main common feature between these two faiths is their intolerance. This intolerance in Judaic texts gave the narcissist Muhammad the power to do as he pleased. He could make his claim without needing to prove it and expect others to believe without questioning him. If they didn?t, he would threaten them with hellfire.

How could he get away with that? Why would people believed in his unproven and often irrational claims? The answer to this question is in Judaism. The Rabbis in Arabia had laid the psychological foundation for Islam among the tolerant pagans. For 2000 years they had preached that Yahweh, their god, is beyond reason, i.e. he is irrational, that his ways are different and they may appear unjust and even evil. But it is not up to humans to question God?s wisdom.

That kind of authority and power is a narcissist?s wet dream. By claiming to be the messenger of God, the same intolerant god of the Jews, Muhammad did not have to prove any of his claims. The reason Arabs fell into his trap was because of the groundwork laid by the Rabbis in Arabia. source http//theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/ali_sina/0018477