Inheritance according to Qur?an
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Where did you derive this ruling "When there is a spouse the siblings dont inherit"?
Incorrect. Siblings DO inherit in the presence of a spouse. Only when a Father (or fathers' father etc..) or son (or sons son etc..) is inheriting are the siblings deprived.
You are claiming contradiction in rules which have already been established for 1400 years by the true scholars of Sunni Islam, yet you dont even know the basics of the rules of exclusion!
I can see this will be a waste of time. Insha'Allah, will take my leave now. No point in conversing with hadith-rejectors.
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To be honest, I saw this comment coming from a mile away.
I think you still don't understand why I dislike that statement.
And, could you answer these
How do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?
And why you choose Hanafi madhab?
Do you also follow another madhab? Or perhaps only Hanafi?
Never said they were gods, but they know the deen better than us.
How do you know that they follow the right path?
You guys like to play the mantra of "Qur'an only", right?
I think you still don't understand about us.
How about when Allah says, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know".
Do you think that the famous of 'the ulamaa/scholars' are the people of knowledge?
When you follow a madhab, you are following a group of scholars.
I do not want to follow a path that may put me in big trouble in the hereafter.
Those scholars are not my guardians.
Its the safe road.
I don't think so. The safe road is to follow the truth, and the truth is from God.
Entire volumes have been written on this topic by the `ulamaa in great detail, masha'Allah.
I don't care whether it has 'great' detail or not. I am not impressed with the teachings that mix between right and wrong, because something like that is potentially misleading.
And here you are, 27 pages, still as confused as ever.
I suppose you could use this 27 pages as materials to study if you want, but if you feel confused, then... perhaps you could check these pages at another time, such as if one day you decide to study Qur'an without the influence of scholars.
Make your life easy, and take the deen from people who know more than you.
Well, if what you mean is to take the deen from the people who follow madhab/s, then I think the above sentence sounds like persuasion to enter the Hell.
What I want is following the path that God teaches me. I do not want to follow madhab/s.
If you try to figure out every ruling for yourself, you'll end up with a headache, and still have no understanding of the issue.
Headache if we study the Qur'an? No, inshaAllah.
If we are patient and constantly regard Allah as our Teacher, then inshaAllah we can improve our understanding and gain wisdom without headache.
Salm.
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It is quite apparent that the so-called hadith of Muhammad follow interpretation errors of Quran. One can always wonder why.
Hundreds of invented religious rules, just like the Jews. Oh, by the way they are the same, just took the name Muslim after the prophet of Quran came around.
Be of one with God
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How do People come to a 21 ratio of man to female,i read something different in the second ayat it is clear to read that unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females so according to my reading the Distribution is like
Man-2/3; Two man-2/3;...
Women-1/2; Two women-2/3; Three women-2/3; Four women-2/3...
Can someone clarify? -
The whole inheritance invention is nonsense since why should women get less inheritance because she also supposedly has her husband and they are like one body so the inheritance goes to their family and the other part, if she had a brother, goes to him, and not as suggested here with 2/3 to brother and 1/3 to sister or what it is you suggest. It does not make sense. God does not make any particular difference between man and woman and together they are ONE family. Should one of the spouses "die" they are still one even if one of them is temporarily gone, so the possession shall remain with one half which is husband or wife depending on who outlives the other.
If a husband or wife dies the wealth hence obviously stays within the household even if the children have moved out unless there is some kind of will or the mother wants to hand out from the deceased husband/wife's possessions.
If both parents are dead then their children share equally, disregarding gender, what was in the household, unless there is a will which says something else, and it gets merged into respective household.
This is so natural that you need no written book to see how obvious it is.
Be of one with God
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The case which you've brought up is quite interesting. This is actually one of the few instances in inheritance law where there is disagreement among the scholars.
The Shafi'i scholars accept the ruling of 'umar.
According to the Hanafi madhab, however, the two full brothers will simply not inherit.
Peace -- they disagree on many things which Umar "changed his mind" due to lack of comprehension.
Ma'dan b. Talha reported
'Umar b. Khattab, delivered the Friday sermon...And I leave not after me anything which to my mind seems more important than Kalala. And I never turned towards the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ (for guidance) more often than this Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) was not annoyed with me on any other (issue) than this (And he was so perturbed) that he struck his fingers on my chest and said Does this verse. that is at the end of Surat al-Nisa'. which was revealed in the hot season not suffice you? And if I live longer I would decide this (problem so clearly) that one who reads the Qur'an, or one who does not read it, would be able to take (correct), decisions (under its light).Example 1 daughter, mother
Qur'an clearly says only daughter gets 1/2!411 ... and if knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
Malik 1/6 mother + 1/2 daughter + 1/3 to nobody!
Shafii & Abu-Haneefa 1/4 mother + 3/4 daugther!There is consensus of the 'ulamaa that verse 4176 refers to full and consanguine siblings, while 412 refers to uterine siblings. This si mentioned in the books of tafseer. Of course, you guys wouldn't understand this because you only go by the Qur'an.
Then explain what was posted to you earlier thus according to the followers of hearsay it would be thus?
1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (2) uterine sisters + (2) full sisters & (2) full brothers
What math are you going to use to distribute "zero" at 21 male to female ratio to the full siblings?412 ... so if be they more from such so they partners in the third
4176... and if be they siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)What happens when only a spouse is inheriting? Where does the residue go?
With any sole inheritor child, spouse, father, mother, brother, sister -- entire amount!
No need for inheritance laws single heir none to contest -- should it go to you or Umar?Where did you derive this ruling "When there is a spouse the siblings dont inherit"?
Incorrect. Siblings DO inherit in the presence of a spouse. Only when a Father (or fathers' father etc..) or son (or sons son etc..) is inheriting are the siblings deprived.
Perhaps study, siblings inherit in case of Kalala; you imply Kalala has a spouse?
Again try to distribute what was posted above follow exact Qur'an instructions.4176 siblings mixed no child (21 ratio), father variable ? unsolvable!
Therefore, father cannot inherit with siblings!412 wife 1/4 (no son), 1/2 sister (4176 no child) leaves 1/4 excess!
Therefore, spouse cannot inherit with siblings! -
How do People come to a 21 ratio of man to female,i read something different in the second ayat it is clear to read that unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females so according to my reading the Distribution is like
Man-2/3; Two man-2/3;...
Women-1/2; Two women-2/3; Three women-2/3; Four women-2/3...
Can someone clarify?Peace si di
411... to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine)
likeness/similarity/equivalence
Perhaps rephrase your question or solve actual example and distribute according to your reading?1 female & 1 male
1 female & 2 males2 females & 1 male
2 females & 2 malesThe whole inheritance invention is nonsense since why should women get less inheritance ...
434 the menfolk maintaining over the womenfolk in what favor the god some them over others and in what spend they of from wealth theirs ...
Peace MF -- not always less and as you stated write a will (5106) to prevent family quarrels.
1/6 father + 1/6 mother + 2/3 son
1/6 sister + 1/6 brother + 2/3 son -
According to Grand Qur'aan it is not the x of mother that matters, it is the x or y of father that will determine the gender of child; because sperm is the determiner.
You bring it to the Point;the sperm is either x or y and the egg(?) is xx
411" "Thats why it is a Boy like two portions of girls but further on it is difficult because you need genetic knowledge and arabic to understand if only girls are Born they get 2/3 of genes?or is it talking about lineage (ma taraka?)
Any students of medicine here?
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411 ... And if she is only one, then she will have one half. And to his parents, each one of them shall have one sixth of what is inherited, if he has a child. If he has no child and his parents are the heirs, then to his mother is one third; if he has siblings then to his mother is one sixth. All after a will is carried through or a debt. Your parents and your children, you do not know which are closer to you in benefit, a directive from God, for God is Knowledgeable, Wise."
If you parents have a Special appearance the daughter will have 50% of it but she can be different.
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If you parents have a Special appearance the daughter will have 50% of it but she can be different.
Peace si di -- if genetics what about write a will part, distributions to parents, siblings, and to spouses?
47 to the menfolk share from what left the parents and the close relatives and for the womenfolk share from what left the parents and the close relatives from what small from it or large share of obligatory 48 and when comes the division owners the relatives/near and the bereaved/orphaned and the needy so provide ye them from it and speak ye of to them speech of right 49 and let fear the ones in case left they of from behind them descendant weak fear they of over them so let fear they of the god and to says they of speech of appropriate 410 surely the ones eating wealth the bereaved/orphaned injustice of only eating in interior of body theirs fire of and shall be burning blaze of
411 instructs you the god in offspring yours
to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine)
so if be (f/p) womenfolk above two (f) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
and if be she (f/s) one (f/s) so for her the halfand to parents dual said person?s to each one of them dual the sixth from what left
if be (m/s) for said person offspring (son)so if not that be for said person offspring (child) and heirs said person?s parents dual said person?s so to mother said person?s the third
so if be (s/m) for said person brother so to mother said person?s the sixth
from after will instructs in it or judgment
fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be (m/s) knowledgeable wisdom of
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Selam noon.
I was wondering if you could help me with something?
Wife1/8 = 3/24
Daughters 2/3 = 16/24
Father 1/6 = 4/24
Mother1/6 = 4/24Total = 27/24
I understand the math you used to solve this. I just want to know what makes your translation correct?
411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine) so if be females above two (feminine) so for them two thirds what left and if she was one so for her the half and for their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if is to person walad/son so if not is to person waladun child/born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third so if is to person ikh'watun brothers/siblings (at least one male present) so to his mother the sixth from after a will have made in it or judgment your parents and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise
Why is translated as "son" in the first use and "child/born" in the second?
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Why is translated as "son" in the first use and "child/born" in the second?
Peace BobaFett,
Daughters = 2/3
411
... so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (f) so for them third dual (2/3) what leftParents (variable, no son)
411
... and to parents dual said person?s to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for said person waladun/offspring (i.e. son)Wife variable if conditions are false 1. has daughters 2. no son
412
... and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not yakun/that be for you waladun/offspring (child)
so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/offspring (son) so to them the eight from what leftTherefore the remaining 1/3 is equally dispersed to wife, mother, and father 1/9 each.
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Peace, and thank you for your response Noon, but I am still not sure why in 411, is translated as "son" in the first instance and "child" the second?
Peace and you are welcome BobaFett,
kna/be (m/s) always refers/points to male; like asking if "he" be offspring (i.e. son) in English
411 ... so if kna/be (s/m) for said person ikh'watun (i.e. male sibling/brother) so to mother said person?s the sixth
yakun/that be can refer/point to either gender; e.g.
411... so if not yakun/that be for said person waladun/offspring (child)
2196... such to who not yakun/that be ahluhu/family said person's present ...
1121 say he the god one
1122 the god the eternal
1123 not yalid/begets and not ylad/begotten
1124 and not yakun/that be to him equivalent of one -
Thank you Noon, that's exactly what I was looking for.
You're welcome BobaFett only way math works toggle if son/child present, etc.
2/3 3+ daughters (411), 1/3 husband (variable if son=false; if no child=false)
1/2 sister (4176 no child), 1/2 mother (variable if son=false; if brother=false)EDIT Sorry, I have one more question, what do the (s/m) (m/s) mean?
I use for gender which Arabic is male dominant language thus often depends on context.
al-unthayayni/the two (f/d - feminine dual)
so if kunna/be (f/p - feminine plural)
falahunna/so for them (f/p)and if knat/be she (f/s - feminine singular)
whidatan/one (f/s)if kna/be (m/s - masculine singular)
so if kna/be (m/s) for said person ikh'watun (i.e. if brother present).surely the god kana/be (m/s) knowledgeable wisdom of
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Peace Noon,
I'm sorry if you have already addressed this, but I can't seem to find this situation on your first page with all the scenarios put forth. I also saw that you had a correction a few pages back. Has this been reflected on the first page by any chance? It would be good to have that page with the most up-to-date info for your calculations.
How should the inheritance be for 1 son and 1 daughter? I do not believe parents will inherit in this case, as it is quoted from 411 "...And to his parents, each one of them shall have one sixth of what is inherited, if he has a child...." (free-minds.org translation). Since there are children, parents do not inherit.
Is it obvious that the they both receive half the inheritance? Or should this part of the ayah be applied 411 "...To the male shall be as that given to two females." even though there aren't two females?
Thanks in advance!