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By just wearing hijjab one can?t simply judge the person as idol-worshiper .We should make sure what ideology the person is following?If belief is that it?s a command from Prophet then yes one can pass the judge she is committing idolatry?At the same time as judging her it doesn?t give me permission to force her not to wear or mistreat her or not to befriend with her?We must stick to the ?no compulsion in religion?. Whether she dies as an idol worshiper or not is irrelevant to the present judgment.
Salaam Asana
I think our difference here is what you and I actually mean by "judging" I see judging as per the dictionary;
Judgement (or judgment) is the evaluation of evidence in the making of a decision.
No matter in what kind of court evidence must be based on fact. No court would ever allow the lawyers to base their evidence on their own opinion, the judge would throw it out immediately.
A crime is a crime only when the law says it is a crime.
Since judgement is typically associated with some kind of punishment we need to know what that punishment isWhere are the facts that homosexuality is lewd?
Where is it stated that we humans should pass judgement on lewdness?
What is the earthly punishment for homosexuality?Without opinionating, can you find these criteria in the Quran? Can you with Allah as your witness swear that you have found the truth and your truth is absolutely free from dogma?'
I can't.............Therefore I choose to let the judgement be passed by the Creator himself, he knows everything. And as for my own salvation (to use a christian expression) I would like to entertain the idea that Allah would not harshly judge a person that rather show love and respect rather than passing judgement in His name.We can judge others according to the Quran.For example God says ?you shall not befriend my enemies and your enemies??How are we going to decide who are His enemies? Well the only way is that to see who fights against Him and His messenger. For that one have to judge the person by his/her action?.Decision comes after judging.
In that example although one judge the person but no punishment gets issued for it unless fighting is physical otherwise refraining to from be friend is enoughIf you cannot find the enemy, there is no enemy. If you do find an enemy but it still doesnt give you the right to judge him.
There is nothing as what you/I like or dislike?It?s all about what God likes or dislikes when it comes to such an issue?In the Quran we read what pleases God or displeases Him?.When people of Lot got condemned by God as I said before one of the things they were committing was homosexuality?God sent them retribution?.If it pleases Him then surely He wouldn?t have condemned them or even mention their action.
You are absolutely sure that the people of Lot were committing homosexuality? They were lewd, not the same as being gay.
415-16 is talking about lewdness, shameful act, whoredom, indecent act..........pick your translation.......I have not found one Quran where it says "homosexuality".
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Peace All,
Once again, thank you all for making the effort to advise me. Your advice has been extremely helpful. I have told her her friend can come but that they do not share a room and whilst they are in the house they behave simply as friends. I have also asked her to examine the Koran to see if she can find that Islam approves of homosexuality. I don't think the Koran actually mentions the word homosexuality but I think God frowned on the fact that the men of Sodom and Gomora were more interested in men than women.
Peace,
Dawn.
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'Homosexuality' is a made-up concept surely. 'Sodomy' as a thing only, in the Bible as well as the Quran. My personal feeling is that only men commit error when they do same-sex stuff, women attempting it...doesn't really count as anything, therefore is not the same. However, when two women describe each other as 'their partner' or 'get married' I think that is like - mental illness; and it shouldn't be tolerated any further....
Does that sound mean? ???
hmmm
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Salam Jane,
What's the problem of two women feeling that they belong together, that they want to share their life, that they are each other's soul mate? They don't even need to have sex for that. Are they forced to share their life with someone who will never understand them, who will just tyrannize them and keep them as cheap housekeeper and sex object? Of course not all men are like that, but look at the marriage thread how hard it is to find one of the "good" men... -
Of course not all men are like that, but look at the marriage thread how hard it is to find one of the "good" men...
Bold
Is that one of the reasons for some women to become lesbians? ???
Sort of alternative to have mate (at least) rather than being single?
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Well I suppose there are several reasons to become lesbian. One of them seems to be bad exprience with men (notably sexual abuse in childhood or later), another one just feeling closer to women in general or to one specific woman. This leads to the question of one should have sex with the person one feels closst to ("no" would mean having sex with someone one does not feel so close to) - to be honest, I am not sure about that - anyway it is not my role to judge others.
However, my focus was on the term "their partner", which as I said does not necessary include sex. -
Bold
Is that one of the reasons for some women to become lesbians? ???
Sort of alternative to have mate (at least) rather than being single?
Yeah, that's one of the excuses given for being lesbian to my understanding. I could be wrong though, it's still an despicable act when sex is involved in my eyes.
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For me, something wrong is still wrong even though if people all over the world support it.
I like this, truer words never spoken.
I believe I have the same stance as you.
Salaam
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I agree, and I don't want to be recorded as people who support it.
For me, something wrong is still wrong even though if people all over the world support it.
That's my stance.
Salm.
If it isn't too much trouble, I think a list of all the things you consider wrong might be very helpful to Muslims everywhere, I'd like to see it too!
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Emil is just another retard deluder. A lot of people talk about reality, as if they know what it is. They should ofcourse shut up about something they have no idea about. That is a theme of the Quran aswell, do not talk about what you have no knowledge of. If all the deluders would just control their mouth, all that would be left is the information of godseekers. And all godseekers around the world, find the same truth, independently. It varies somewhat how it is expressed ofcourse, but ultimately they describe the same phenomena. God, angels, jinn, creation, morality, heaven, hell. This is what Islam is about. Not occluding it with all kinds of stupid statements from a position of no knowledge, and provocative behaviour.
Deluders, channel satan, and cannot be followed. Ultimately that would lead to hell. That is how one should think of Emil, and similar people, regardless of their claims of muslimdom, or anything else.
And people who followed the forum know I am not the one with the book. He is shooting blindly in all directions. Probably is the underlying principle of most of his behaviour and statements.
I'd rather talk to retard deluder than a big jerk like you. Anyways I can definitely see how much of Quran and spirituality is there in your words. Peace