How to destroy atheism without beheading anyone

[Jafar]

Heeheehee, funny that now they believe that earth has always been here. When they fail to give scientific fact its a new trend for them to say "atheism and science aren't the same". I guess it happened from the recent weakening facts about evolutionary.

It's true, Atheism and Theism is not science..

Evolutionary is a fact, it's not weakening at all it's getting stronger as we've found more and more evidence that all things in this universe change over time.. including human..

[Man_of_Faith]

Spiritual harmony be with you,

It is difficult to know what "God" is or its origin using standard logic. It is some kind of infinity which simply exists. Word Allah suggests this phenomenon by definition as well.

Yet "God" does not exist as a distinct object anywhere but is existence itself and one can choose to be one with it or choose to be an anomaly.

And it is only humans (I do not know of interstellar aliens but that is irrelevant) who possess souls on this Earth, so humans are the only ones who are not completely autonomous and it is the abstract soul energy that is brought back to "God" while the rest is the energy matter which this world is composed of, which will also be brought back eventually, but it is only the "soul data" that truly exists and if it is an "incompatible" soul (anomaly) then it will be in deep trouble.

We have seen scientific signs that the universe has kept expanding for some time and there are theories that it at some point in history will suddenly contract and sort of "implode". If the truth with "God" is also this way it means that nothing in the universe takes any space anymore but all energy in the universe will be like a singularity. There is no empty void anymore.

That day is which has been prophesied to be the promised day. Everything is returned to "God".

And I suspect the energy will be neutralized in its raw form and in no variation anymore. However our souls do not really exist that way but in some other dimension. And the souls that were in spiritual symbiosis with "God" will prevail while the broken souls will suffer the consequences.

And those who claim they were "believers" while their deeds were meager can claim how much they like because one will be judged by the deeds and how spiritually similar to "God"'s one was.

Be of one with God

[reel]

It's true, Atheism and Theism is not science..

Evolutionary is a fact, it's not weakening at all it's getting stronger as we've found more and more evidence that all things in this universe change over time.. including human..

Do you even stay updated on latest findings? Evolutionary is going downhill
http//www.evolutionnews.org/2012/07/what_are_the_to_1062011.html

Some questions with no proper answers

1. Why eskimos who live in icy lands dont grow fur?

2. Why chimps are no more becoming humans?

3. Why we humans are not evolving into new creatures?

4. Why no other animal is evolving into another animal?

I am still in two minds about chimps' connection to humans because of this verse
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath We said to them "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."2.065

However, this does not mean we all came from apes.

May you be blessed by Darwin
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[Jafar]

Do you even stay updated on latest findings? Evolutionary is going downhill
http//www.evolutionnews.org/2012/07/what_are_the_to_1062011.html

Some questions with no proper answers

1. Why eskimos who live in icy lands dont grow fur?

2. Why chimps are no more becoming humans?

3. Why we humans are not evolving into new creatures?

4. Why no other animal is evolving into another animal?

I am still in two minds about chimps' connection to humans because of this verse
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath We said to them "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."2.065

However, this does not mean we all came from apes.

First, let's get the basic right first..

Do you understand what "Evolution" means?
It means "Continuous Changing" and it has no relation with Darwin..
Everything in this universe undergoes changes.. (and not just human which are merely 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of this universe).
From star to planet to galaxy.
And it's a hard to refute fact. the evidence is all there in the sky..

After getting the basic understanding straight the additional question will be
"What factors contributing / influencing the changes?"

The question itself is still to broad.. as it depends on the scope of changes..
Scoping down the question to
"What factors contributing / influencing to changes on earthlings ?"

Which also still too broad as earthlings can include bacteria, viruses, plants etc..

Scoping down the question further to
"What factors contributing / influencing to changes on an earthling species of animal kingdom?"

Now we'll try to dig out the scoped down question

1. Why eskimos who live in icy lands dont grow fur?
   A very good question, the eskimos are basically migrated Eastern Asians as evidenced by the DNA traces.
   The migration happened very recently ( <3000 years) and Eastern Asians (Chinese, Korean etc..) are famous to have a very minimum body hair. The reason on why they have minimum body hair is known, it relate to their DNA.
   Drilling the question further on "Why eastern Asians have such particular DNA characteristic?" is still unknown.

2. Why chimps are no more becoming humans?
   Perhaps they will eventually becoming more intelligent as time progress..

We now know that Chimps and other big primates (Orangutan, Bonobo et. al.) have a very similar capability to project 'abstract thought process' within their mind as another big primates named human.

The huge difference lies in the "Verbal Communication Skill", other big primates except human are at the moment lacking the capability to express their thought through spoken language.

Some experiment has been done on communicating to them using 'sign language', and the results is the above conclusion.
Other big primates also possess a very similar capability to project 'abstract thought process' as human.
They have thought of "I am sad", "I am happy to meet you", "I love you", "I am jealous", "I want to buy an ice cream", "Let's go for a ride around the city", "Why are you sad?" and so on..

The Ape Who Went To College
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBwtSdWJ6Ww

3. Why we humans are not evolving into new creatures?
   It depends on your definition of 'new creature', as you can see from the varieties of today's human each of them possess unique characteristic both in physical appearance, language and culture. And the changing of physical appearance, the changing of language and culture is still happening as of now.

And given time it will be interesting when human can finally make a living habitation in Mars (for example), thus we shall see gradually that earthling human and martian human shall evolve differently.

4. Why no other animal is evolving into another animal?
   It depends on how you make a distinction between one animal to another..
   Dog for example is an evolutionary product from Wolf where human play big part on their evolutionary changes.
   A tamed wolf mixed with another kind of tamed wolf overtime resulted in varieties of dog.

[Farabi]

Answering to the title How to destroy atheism without beheading anyone. I think, there is no use debating anyone to make people believe what we believe, there is no compulsion in religions, we cant make people had faith to Allah even though it was a person we loved. Salvations is up to Allah. Dont force your self too hard to achieve this goal, its useless. Based on my narrow experience trying to convert somebody to islam only making you hate them, and in the end it will make them hated you more. Its more wise if we just thinking about how we can be a better person than thinking about another else faith. Even though every person was an infidel we will not carry their sins.

[Man_of_Faith]

Harmony,

The point of inviting to "Islam" is to invite to no religion at all.

Be of one with God

[reel]

Do you understand what "Evolution" means?
It means "Continuous Changing" and it has no relation with Darwin..
Everything in this universe undergoes changes.. (and not just human which are merely 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of this universe).
From star to planet to galaxy.
And it's a hard to refute fact. the evidence is all there in the sky..

I am not talking about random evolution, but the one that talks about one creature turning into another.

A very good question, the eskimos are basically migrated Eastern Asians as evidenced by the DNA traces.
The migration happened very recently ( <3000 years) and Eastern Asians (Chinese, Korean etc..) are famous to have a very minimum body hair. The reason on why they have minimum body hair is known, it relate to their DNA.
Drilling the question further on "Why eastern Asians have such particular DNA characteristic?" is still unknown.

Actually, it is not found out whether it is actually 3000 years. The range is between 3000 and 5000. Arabs have been living in middle east for a long time. why don't they grow something that retains in their body enough water like the camel does? The reason why this part is fully illogical is because we have to assume that human bodies change according to climate patterns. What about europeans?

Perhaps they will eventually becoming more intelligent as time progress..

We now know that Chimps and other big primates (Orangutan, Bonobo et. al.) have a very similar capability to project 'abstract thought process' within their mind as another big primates named human.

The huge difference lies in the "Verbal Communication Skill", other big primates except human are at the moment lacking the capability to express their thought through spoken language.

Some experiment has been done on communicating to them using 'sign language', and the results is the above conclusion.
Other big primates also possess a very similar capability to project 'abstract thought process' as human.
They have thought of "I am sad", "I am happy to meet you", "I love you", "I am jealous", "I want to buy an ice cream", "Let's go for a ride around the city", "Why are you sad?" and so on..

lol, what you are talking about has connection to training. Those are not natural abilities. Why don't we hear news such as
in 82, x number of apes finally turned into humans. in 2000, y number of apes achieved it. Science believes in what can be seen. Then why doesnt it reveal such things?

It depends on your definition of 'new creature', as you can see from the varieties of today's human each of them possess unique characteristic both in physical appearance, language and culture. And the changing of physical appearance, the changing of language and culture is still happening as of now.

Physical appearance changes based on biology of parents which is influenced by nutrition. But this doesnt mean a bunch of people are achieving more than 2 hands or eyes just to respond to demands.

It depends on how you make a distinction between one animal to another..
Dog for example is an evolutionary product from Wolf where human play big part on their evolutionary changes.
A tamed wolf mixed with another kind of tamed wolf overtime resulted in varieties of dog.

True, but i am not seeing a mass number of dogs turning into other animals. Also why aren't there other creatures turning into other human like civilized species.

The problem with evolution is that it depends largely on the fairytale that says "once upon a time things that were not living started suddenly living all by themselves to form complex creatures". Its magic!

There is nothing called unchangeable independent variable.....But at present no stone or sand is coming to life to form other stuffs.

At least Islam makes it clear that there has to be one infinite energy for multiple other energies to form
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Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture nor the idolaters love that there should be sent down unto you any good thing from your Lord. But Allah chooseth for His mercy whom He will, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty. 2105

He selects for His mercy whom He will. Allah is of Infinite Bounty. 374

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PLEASE READ FULLY BEFORE COMMENTING. Give up 5 minutes of your life and l will give you THE THEORY OF LIFE and proof of Allah in mathematics and science that is undeniable because of its simplicity.

lt also gives evidence of free will, judgment day and hereafter. Also the Qurans every Surah falls within the confounds of this equation

Let me explain

l was looking at the glorious Quran in a numerical format which has already been provided

What l mean is l started with simple maths from Allah, for example

Allah is 1. This is is given numeric.

Then I started adding other numbers to values that Allah has provided us in the Quran.

Just so you can understand how easy it is;

A simple but powerful comment in the Quran like

"When he decrees a matter, he only has to say Be, and it is" is easily definable with mathematics.

The art of saying/stating is an addition. The Quran goes further and mentions that this decree is a commandment, "BE"

We also understand that "lt is" in this commandment is the actual creation being created. So an addition has been added to the equation. Every creature is an individual 1. Due to him being the creator and outside of our mathematics and not restricted by the governing laws of mathematics the created "1" can not be added the initial (1), so the created 1 must have brackets.

Hence, this line in the Quran in a numerical format is

Allah (1) only has to say, Be (+) and it is (1) Or simply

1 + (1)

This is not the equation however. this is merely to show you how easy Allah speaks in mathematics. The equation I have also can not be denied from a scientific perspective.

I will make it as short as possible. Please understand in doing so many areas will be left in the grey.

Firstly We need to start breaking everything down to its core. Being a Muslim site I don't know if you all would like me to explain how I got to the oneness of Allah or not. I will very briefly for convenience.

I started working with the simplest form of mathematics - binary.

Binary has many advantages besides being simple. It only deals with a complete number (1 =100%) and nothing.

After giving everything it's own unique binary you can start removing every addition onto the binary of life. We don't have to possess any knowledge of the unseen to calculate this. All we have to do is start working backwards from our current position. The process of elimination is quiet easy to do from our current state..

So to make it easier we know there are approx 7 billion people on earth.

We can remove each individual "1" from the total.

Then let's say there is approx 80 billion Stars, eliminate them, 8 billion galaxies, if we happen to find any other universes besides our current then eliminate them and so forth - even as to say- the unseen chemical compounds until you get to the initial energy.

You eventually end up with the initial 1.

THIS PROCESS of elimination is not uncommon in science. We have already done this. The LHC was built specifically to find this initial "1", which is called the Higgs Boson OR recently been given the title ?Gods Particle"

lf we remove any further however you are left with nothing.This is where Science and Religion have been in debate for sometime. How can we come from nothing? Well ....

Quantum mechanics tells us that we can come from nothing BUT in order for this to be achieved, the laws must be in place of nothing to produce something.

We call this religiously Allah's commandment.

So we have two options either accepting that the initial ?I was created and reproduced OR the initial 1 was commanded to exist and reproduce from a hidden deity.

Either way we have a creator at the beginning and a command.

The command is defined as + because it isn't the actual value that is being explained but the tasks taken to get to the initial creation. For example if I say/command something I am adding to the conversation as I explained earlier.

Now that we have in place a "1 +" (Allah being 1 and + being his commandment or addition onto the equation) we have to start breaking down the only truth we know in our universe, and the universal language down to its core - mathematics.

When dealing with binary it is quiet simple, the task is already done because all you deal with is + addition and - subtraction or positive and negative respectively.

You see in our current knowledge of mathematics we have many different

symbols be it for multiplication, division, square root and so on. All these symbols are group methods and fancy ways of dealing with the core.

The core of all of mathematics is +-. For example 3 x 2 = 6 Or 3 groups of 2

(1 + 1 + 1) + (1 + 1 + 1) = 6 Plus and minus are the core of mathematics.

Literally "Everything" can be explained by using these 2 symbols if they can be subjected to our laws.

To better explain, something to exist it must have a positive and a negative. The art of seeing something is due to it either reflecting light or absorbing it. Even if we don't see it, it's chemical compound must have a positive and a negative for it to exist, for example air.

As Muslims we also know Quran states everything was made in pairs. +|-. It has been a common misconception in Islam that people translate this as solely male and female. This has been proven wrong from Science. The Quran is actually talking about "EQUAL and OPPOSITE".

So just to get you guys on par again the equation currently is 1 + +|-

But this equation is missing time and space within the restrictions of mathematics. Einstein proved in his theory of relativity that the universe is finite. This means within the equation mathematics is its own entity with its own restrictions. It means the initial 1 can not be in the same category as the created 1 due to it not being confound be time and space ; Hence brackets 1 + (+|-) This here is in a religious verbal sense is the same as saying

Allah 1, creates (+), everything (+|-)

Now for the important area that we never noticed or tried answering

This is also saying in a mathematical verbal format One 1, outside of our +, mathematics (+|-)

So I asked myself, what does 1 outside of then added on to our finite mathematics equal to?

There is only one thing that can exist outside of our restricted mathematics and everything.

That is infinity.

So the equation is

1 + (+I-) =

Again this equation reads 1 outside of our mathematics, is infinity.

Some mathematicians argue about potential infinity within the confound of mathematics.

They also argue that there are numerous type of infinity. I argue because of the equational evidence that there is only 1 infinity and every potential infinity is part of that totality infinity and moreso, due to being restricted by a finite situation, infinity within the confounds of mathematics does not and can not exist.

This is the only explanation of infinity that doesn?t go against our law of mathematics. It can not be wrong because we are finite and hence infinity would have to be an addition to it.

HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SECTION

So far even though I've incorporate some religious comments, I have explained it in a scientifically acceptable format. Now for the religious significance of this equation

In a religious sense it explains something phenomenal.

1 + (+I-) =

The equation explains Allah, Free Will, Day of Judgement, Hereafter.

To judge something is to determine its outcome, in a mathematical sense this is explained as Equals symbol "=". In other words life must have come to a conclusion and must have a day of judgment, or an equal sign in the equation

Also the hereafter is for eternity or for an infinite amount of time hence in mathematics hereafter is defined as infinity . This is not only the hereafter but it is the attributes of Allah, the best of his names

he is the Omni of everything. So the infinity symbol incorporates all of his 99 glorious names

1 + (+|-) =

This also shows that Allah gives humanity free will within the brackets, he allows you to do whatever you want within these confounds. It also explains that if you follow a more positive path than a negative path, once judged (=) you will either go to heaven + or vice versa hell -. This also means that once we die it will be scaled and you don't have an option of either going from either heaven to hell or vice versa.

Also it also proves that Allah only gives positive 1+ or only creates good. The initially positive covers this aspect,

Now how is this proof of Islam and Quran being the word of Allah?

Get any Surah from the Quran and it fits, either 1 ayat, combination of Ayats or the whole Surah fits within the confounds of this equation.

Let me give you an example Quran 112 Say he, Allah is one 1

Allah is he in all whom depend + (depend for creating or giving anything)

He begets not, nor is he begotten (he isn't born or comes from so he (+|-)) And

none is like him

Or single Ayats rather than Surahs 59.22 He is Allah besides Whom there is no god 1

the Knower of the +

unseen and the seen (-I+)

He is

the Beneficent, the Merciful

I have written nearly 80 pages so far on the implications of the strength of the equation and what it can be used for. This equation gives a whole new tasfir to the Quran. I can explain Quranic stories now That EVEN though we understood the idea behind it, we never saw the Depth. For example inshallah I will provide an account of Musas life that is more in depth and detailed, as Well as better explained than any other tasfir you've ever read before

For example this also means that every prophet was born a prophet and that miracles are not changing mathematics, as to the main reason why science disagrees with religion, but more so before the mathematics is set in place the miracle is put in there at the 1+ stage. This means Allah does not change our mathematics at all.

lt also means that Adams heaven was at the (+|-) stage in other words worldly heaven and not the hereafter heaven. Adam could only see the + within mathematics and iblis made visible the - negative

This also proves wrong Christianity. You see the 1 + (+|-) = is not read like this for the Christians. They see it as 1= (+|-)= Or in verbal sense that Father, 1 is equal to the son (mathematically bound son) (+|-) who is equal to the holy spirit But it can not be and this proves it once and for all.

lt also proves that any types of infinity that we have in mathematics are not actually infinite. There is only one type of infinity and every type of infinity is just a part of that.

Please read it carefully and comment. I have left out so much details but tried to pack it in. I wish to hear from all of you sooner than later inshallah

1 + (+|-) =
sourcehttp//islam.com/questions/2381/what-if-i-found-allah

[Jafar]

I am not talking about random evolution, but the one that talks about one creature turning into another.

1. It's not random at all, in this universe there's no such thing as RANDOM.
2. What's your exact definition to differentiate creature A is different than creature B?

Actually, it is not found out whether it is actually 3000 years. The range is between 3000 and 5000.

It's 'blink of an eye' compared to the age of the universe or the age of earth (5 billion years).

Arabs have been living in middle east for a long time. why don't they grow something that retains in their body enough water like the camel does?

Well the word "Arabs" only came to existence merely 2000-2500 years ago.
And what's now called as "Arabs" has a varieties of mixed ancestry of immigrants of human coming from other part of the earth.
There hasn't been any single isolated human living in the desert around middle east and africa that has been living there as long as the camel.

So your reference is incorrect, it should be why human living in the middle east and African dessert didn't evolve like camel does?
First the history is incomparable, Camel has been there for 10 million years.
While human are merely 200,000 years max.. for middle east it's 100,000 years max... (and most likely they're passerby and did not really dwell on the desert)

Second, different species evolve differently given the same environment.
Human just like the other primate feels that 'desert' is not their natural habitat.
Human just like the other primate are tropical creature, longing for lush green vegetables, abundant supply of water and hot sun all year long. This is traceable on their culture and tradition, their picture of "Paradise" is not an arid desert or icy snow, but green environment with abundant supply of water and hot sun all year long, which can be commonly found in tropical region.

When they found such places they shall have a tendency to 'stay' (Sedentary lifestyle), if not they have tendency to migrate / move (nomadic). Thus the human who are now living in the desert has not been there for a very long time.

The reason why this part is fully illogical is because we have to assume that human bodies change according to climate patterns. What about europeans?

The "climate" is just one among many environmental factor that drives gene mutation.

And what about Europeans? Be more specific!

lol, what you are talking about has connection to training. Those are not natural abilities. Why don't we hear news such as
in 82, x number of apes finally turned into humans. in 2000, y number of apes achieved it. Science believes in what can be seen. Then why doesnt it reveal such things?

It's not 100% related to training, the 'training' only add the capability for 'communicating in sign language'.
What is shown is that such "Complex / abstract thought" does exist in other big primate's mind. In this case an Orangutan.

Snake, for example do not have the capability to project similar 'complex / abstract thought' within their mind.

If you watch the video attentively, there's also a case where he learn how to unlock a locked gate in his cage without a key.
Without anyone teaching him how..
His capability is on par with an expert human thief.

Physical appearance changes based on biology of parents which is influenced by nutrition. But this doesnt mean a bunch of people are achieving more than 2 hands or eyes just to respond to demands.

Of course not, because it's unrelated..

True, but i am not seeing a mass number of dogs turning into other animals. Also why aren't there other creatures turning into other human like civilized species.

Limiting the Point Of Observance to only NOW and here on earth, the other big primate now is close enough.

If the Point Of Observance is changed to NOW and anywhere, there could be much more intelligent creature living in another place.

If the Point Of Observance is changed to future and here, there could be other animal who shall become more intelligent than today's human.

The problem with evolution is that it depends largely on the fairytale that says "once upon a time things that were not living started suddenly living all by themselves to form complex creatures". Its magic!

There's no such thing in the so called "Theory of Evolution"..
The above statement can only be found in the so called "Holy Books".

There is nothing called unchangeable independent variable.....But at present no stone or sand is coming to life to form other stuffs.

Stone or sand is not carbon based cells.

At least Islam makes it clear that there has to be one infinite energy for multiple other energies to form

Actually it was the Mahenjodaro people (today's either Iranians, Indians or Pakistanis) who initially came up with the conception of "infinity".. (Sanskrit Ananta)
During 800-1000 AD, some arabs learn about the concept when they translate hundred of sanskrit books into arabic.

Salam / Peace

[reel]

1. It's not random at all, in this universe there's no such thing as RANDOM.
2. What's your exact definition to differentiate creature A is different than creature B?

Latest news is that scientists are trying to prove that random particles can come together to form objects/creatures. Well, yeah, object is possible, but not living creatures. in space, behavior of random particles was noticed. and now UK is sponsoring a program that would study them and try to link them to evolution.

I am talking about this
http//www.ludumdare.com/compo/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/cthulhu-evolution.png

It's 'blink of an eye' compared to the age of the universe or the age of earth (5 billion years).

Meaning?

Well the word "Arabs" only came to existence merely 2000-2500 years ago.
And what's now called as "Arabs" has a varieties of mixed ancestry of immigrants of human coming from other part of the earth.
There hasn't been any single isolated human living in the desert around middle east and africa that has been living there as long as the camel.

So your reference is incorrect, it should be why human living in the middle east and African dessert didn't evolve like camel does?
First the history is incomparable, Camel has been there for 10 million years.
While human are merely 200,000 years max.. for middle east it's 100,000 years max... (and most likely they're passerby and did not really dwell on the desert)

Second, different species evolve differently given the same environment.
Human just like the other primate feels that 'desert' is not their natural habitat.
Human just like the other primate are tropical creature, longing for lush green vegetables, abundant supply of water and hot sun all year long. This is traceable on their culture and tradition, their picture of "Paradise" is not an arid desert or icy snow, but green environment with abundant supply of water and hot sun all year long, which can be commonly found in tropical region.

When they found such places they shall have a tendency to 'stay' (Sedentary lifestyle), if not they have tendency to migrate / move (nomadic). Thus the human who are now living in the desert has not been there for a very long time.

What you are trying to imply here is that "all humans" kept walking and walking despite the fact that in some parts of african tribes exist and they have been still using the chase and make the animal tired hunting style. Nothing about their "culture" changed from what we "cavemen" were doing. Now you will say that they are new also!

The "climate" is just one among many environmental factor that drives gene mutation.

And what about Europeans? Be more specific!

Why alllllll the factors dont give us multiple hands? No use telling you about europeans. I know your answer "they are new residents of europe.

It's not 100% related to training, the 'training' only add the capability for 'communicating in sign language'.
What is shown is that such "Complex / abstract thought" does exist in other big primate's mind. In this case an Orangutan.

Snake, for example do not have the capability to project similar 'complex / abstract thought' within their mind.

If you watch the video attentively, there's also a case where he learn how to unlock a locked gate in his cage without a key.
Without anyone teaching him how..
His capability is on par with an expert human thief.

All animals are capable of abstract thoughts related to their environments. This is how they are designed so that they can save themselves from haunters. However, no ape will learn to use sign language without intervention. And by the way, even cats can be taught to use them. Actually cats are far more civilized when it comes to talking in sign language of their own.
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Not sure why they arent turning into human like civilized creatures.

Who says snake is not capable of abstract thoughts?
They know that when they are being chased by humans they must go hide under a place where no one can see them. And yes, snakes have their own personalities.Btw, male snakes know what to do to get the female snakes seduced. In fact, like gentlemen, they may show off and touch only when permitted by the female snake. Strange that they are not turning into humans either hmm

Actually it was the Mahenjodaro people (today's either Iranians, Indians or Pakistanis) who initially came up with the conception of "infinity".. (Sanskrit Ananta)
During 800-1000 AD, some arabs learn about the concept when they translate hundred of sanskrit books into arabic.

Yeah, Islam is a very new religion just like eskimos and arabs. And infinity in calculators and physics is the conspiracy of Muslims. &

[Man_of_Faith]

Harmony reel,

Merely the fact about the ingenuity of nature I find a great sign of a "higher power" and it was among those reasons I became confident that there is one. I did not become a person of faith due to the pathetic impression of world religions. In fact I was generally always skeptical to them, even when I tried the sectarian "Islam" for a while in my naivety which was my only involvement in 'organized religion'. I try not to blame myself, it is easy to be a bit deluded, but I was never as deluded that I had any faith in narratives like the so-called "hadith of Muhammad". However, I was a person with faith in "God", before I begun to test "Islam" in 2010, without adhering to any 'organized religion'. I consider that I left this delusion in 2013, about three years later, fooled for three years although with suspicions. Now I know the Arabic text does teach something entirely different than the 'organized religion' wants us to think. The 'amen/iman' word talks all about blending in with something, being a likeliness of something (not taking an external likeliness to something, i.e. making an image externally of "God&quot, and it basically all comes down to unity, i.e. to become one.

Also after this I understood more of what Jesus was rambling on about in the Gospel testimonies allegedly written by his followers. As you may have seen me write countless times already "Be thereof One" is literal translation of "Alef + meem + nun, and most Arabic speakers already know that 'min' means 'from' in classical Arabic. It does not take rocket-science to figure about what it means by assigning an 'alef' before it. Confidence or wholeness is one interpretation, but I would say a comprehensive English translation would say "Realize", "make real" and when Jesus allegedly utters "Amen, amen I say to you" then he says Realize realize, which has similarities with confidence, but A ' MIN could probably more be to reach a conclusion, i.e. realize. Be from one can say.

One utterly important parameter is that "amen/iman" (depending on how you dialectically pronounce it) does whatsoever not mean "belief". It is very important for me to convey. The nearest it can mean is confidence and confidence is not related to belief. Confidence means certainty while belief is thinking something is true. But neither confidence is 100% accurate, but my dealing with the word above is more accurate. The Christian tinkering about "May it be so" is actually incredibly well done from this sect, but "realize" is the best.

But 'amen' from deep below in interpretation means that someone "seeks to be a certain way" (consider yourself what you mean when you would say "Be Thereof One". Often Qur'an even gives reference to "God" through "b'Allah".

To make things simply I sometimes choose to translate 'amen' as "unity". See a dictionary definition of "unity"

1 when a group of people or countries agree or are joined together

The dictionary's definition reveals quite well the intended meaning with 'amen' in the scripture.

I earlier claimed that Salat(eh) means unity, but that was a misconception from my part. I apologize. I know better now. I inferred that on various bases and one is that "unity" is the number one goal we have. Salateh is the behavior that will lead to unity.

Even when I was more sectarian in my ways for a while I still did not accept the polygamous acceptance generally advocated by the common "Islam". And the beating part of 434 really turned me off because I revere women and I believe in equity.

And men and women are nearly born with equal proportions from a birth ratio, so from the aspect of nature it would under perfect conditions mean that some men would be without a wife. It does not add up.

But to return to the topic of this thread; to be able to "change people" you need to convey the correct information about the phenomenon called "God" and show it is not a bearded grumpy old "skyman" in military uniform yelling out orders like a drill sergeant (i.e. "God" has to be a rational phenomenon not some fallible character). "God" is not the entity people usually think and "God" exists in the "ether" and we can synchronize with its energy and "God" is not separate from all the energy of the universe. The person who decides to get "spiritual", reflect and get soaked up in the energy charge of the universe rather with the delusive images that you see, i.e. the forms that the different variations of energy take in the respective material (refer to periodic table), and energy cannot be destroyed but is only transformed into something else and so is true for "God". You have to leave the flesh and find your spirit to find "God".

When Jesus came around a couple of thousand years ago obviously he could not speak about things like this, but I can since you have knowledge of the universe, other dimensions and can think on this abstract level to a greater extent. You understand about energy and charge and the structure of base materials, atoms and molecules. When Jesus came around people could barely comprehend the little he said about assimilation with "God" and be of one, but you should. However, people have always wanted to complicate things and the obsession with distinct idols has rendered "God" an idol. They say "My idol is right while yours is wrong!", yet there exists no such image of what is "God". "God" is that is thereby. An abstract energy that anyone can be part of should they so wish.

As long as one speaks about "belief" and a "skyman" and normal "religious" fundamentalism, then many people will remain atheist and be deluded by the person who sought to guide.

Your prophets or messengers had no "religion", they talked about being in the Realm of "God", united, using 'amen' as a main strong point and that was basically all they preached, to act in a way which was compatible with the spirit that is "God" and their preachings was filled with help on what to do to the extent that a prophet in the spirit of "God" called Moses/Musa prophesied a whole table of good rules while being assimilated to a great extent with "the Foundation" (generally translated 'Lord&#039. A person who has "jumped on the train" is to be an exemplary role model from realization until departure (death/termination of flesh). And it appears in the test that a person works to spread that light in whatever good way possible in an otherwise dark temporary world ( literally means something that is an illusion). "God" has no needs or wants except a concept on spiritual energy, good vs. evil, and definitely has no need of "worship" that you would give to your common man, but the "worship" is expressed through your character in which the spirit is by whatever behavior and deeds that one performs. "God" simply 'is' a certain way and to belong to that definite condition you have to be united and be an image of that "state of being" which is "God", but "God" has no needs or wants as I already said. Humans are expressions of that mere existence and mouths.

Rituals are meaningless for the Foundation has no need nor want for such. Only the "spiritual charge" within your soul The Foundation is interested in and how similar you are with it. Man is created to be an image of That Foundation, and if not they are an anomaly, broken soul or what so say.

Be of one with God

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Merely the fact about the ingenuity of nature I find a great sign of a "higher power" and it was among those reasons I became confident that there is one. I did not become a person of faith due to the pathetic impression of world religions. In fact I was generally always skeptical to them, even when I tried the sectarian "Islam" for a while in my naivety which was my only involvement in 'organized religion'. I try not to blame myself, it is easy to be a bit deluded, but I was never as deluded that I had any faith in narratives like the so-called "hadith of Muhammad". However, I was a person with faith in "God", before I begun to test "Islam" in 2010, without adhering to any 'organized religion'. I consider that I left this delusion in 2013, about three years later, fooled for three years although with suspicions. Now I know the Arabic text does teach something entirely different than the 'organized religion' wants us to think.

Salam Man of Faith,

My story is same as yours. I didn't see world religions as fully irrelevant, for you know we are already told that all of them came from the same lord, but then got messed up. For a while, I thought our mainstream Islam was perfect, but the more I read hadiths, bibles and talmuds, the more I started feeling suspicious about it. That said, I truly think you have to be the biggest dumb to think that no supreme power exists especially if you go to school, think about the perfection of your body and nature. But I guess some people take the earth for granted, making it difficult for them to think outside the box.

I come from a family of medical doctors, chemists and biologists. My dad taught me to believe in evolution when I was a kid. But the more I talked to my relatives and siblings about evolution the more it started to look like a fairy tale. You truly have to go indepth to know the flaws that exist within it. I also read the journal articles from my university database. I am not from science field, but they made me laugh like crazy rotfl. Its pretty much like hadith books if you ask me.

I see the story of evolution like a blockbuster sci fi movie. It has all cool make believe actors and ground breaking vfx. You'd love to watch the movie on and on. But if you use logic and read the actual script you will be left with thousands of questions which will later force you to believe that reality is far away from it.

Okay, I was teasing Jafar for a while. Now I'll turn serious and burst the bubble.

It is usually believed that evolution of one creature turning into another happened slowly. Jafar here also believes the same. He claimed that chimps can have abstract thoughts.

Research1
The genetic divergence time between two species varies substantially across the genome, conveying important information about the timing and process of speciation. Here we develop a framework for studying this variation and apply it to about 20 million base pairs of aligned sequence from humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and more distantly related primates. Human-chimpanzee genetic divergence varies from less than 84% to more than 147% of the average, a range of more than 4 million years. Our analysis also shows that human-chimpanzee speciation occurred less than 6.3 million years ago and probably more recently, conflicting with some interpretations of ancient fossils. Most strikingly, chromosome X shows an extremely young genetic divergence time, close to the genome minimum along nearly its entire length. These unexpected features would be explained if the human and chimpanzee lineages initially diverged, then later exchanged genes before separating permanently.http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16710306

Conclusion The evolution wasn't slow, but fast and recent.

Problem 2
The most comprehensive catalog of great-ape genome diversity to date offers insight into primate evolution, revealing chimpanzees have a much more complex genetic history than humans.http//www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/chimp-genetic-history-more-complex-humans-f6C10533510

Question Doesn't that make it sound like the apes came from humans?
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath We said to them "Be ye apes, despised and rejected. 002.065

But this doesnt mean we came from fish. It doesnt mean all animals evolved also.

Research
There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones17). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today. http//www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

I won't say evolution doesnt exist at all. It does, but it doesn't create new creatures like some commercialized scientists claim.
Truth from evolutionist Francois Jacob, the nobel prize winner
Evolution does not produce novelties from scratch. It works on what already exists, either transforming a system to give it new functions or combining several systems to produce a more elaborate one

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