Wife beating in islam? The Quran strikes back

Wakas

peace sister huruf,

Also, it speakes not about husbands and wives but about men and women, nothing to do with husbands.

Please refrain from repeating claims. If you wish to repeat them, then do not run away when challenged
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606391.msg356394#msg356394

So it should something on the line of finding out from the women themselves, let them know the consequences that their prospected actions might have, let them think about the whole thing by themselves and when some solution is found for the situation of the women, carry it out with them.

If someone can find a more coherent answer than the following then please let me know

The understanding of DRB in 434 as "cite / indicate / put/show forth them" (to the authority) is the ONLY understanding that provides perfect internal coherence in The Quran. It is the ONLY understanding

that provides a sequential link from 434 to 435
to provide identical solutions between men & women in 434 and 4128
that fits and perfectly explains 581-4
that fits the divorce procedure of The Quran and related compensation
that explains the reasoning behind the context of wealth/inheritance/giving/kindness etc.
is consistent with the use of DRB with a direct object with no prepositions, in which it always means "put/show forth"
that 100% matches the use of DRB when used with a person as the object, e.g. 273, 4357.

Farabi

People tend to discriminate muslims by saying beating his wife is an obligations. It is not. Beating your wife is not an obligations, it is your right, and you can decide to do it or not. That allowance is to defend Job who are swore gonna beat her wife. And for that swore even though Job is regret it, God still command him to do his swore by taking a grass and do it.

And as the context of beating your wife, it is allowed in condition to educate them, not because it is your habit. In the quran, a woman can divorce her husband if she think she doesnot like it. I think we can contemplate this clearly to determined wheter a beating is because of lust or because a wisdom.

Even youre beating your child if he/she is harming her brother or her sister am I right? Violence on some condition is neccessary to educate a person.

aqua

Beating your wife is not an obligations, it is your right, and you can decide to do it or not.

And as the context of beating your wife, it is allowed in condition to educate them, not because it is your habit. In the quran, a woman can divorce her husband if she think she doesnot like it. I think we can contemplate this clearly to determined wheter a beating is because of lust or because a wisdom.

Beating a woman contradicts many parts of the Qur'an; read the contradictions explained here

http//www.quranverse434.com/#problems-with-beat-them

JavaLatte

People tend to discriminate muslims by saying beating his wife is an obligations. It is not. Beating your wife is not an obligations, it is your right, and you can decide to do it or not.

Beating wife is a husband's right . . . !?! ???

Farabi

Beating wife is a husband's right . . . !?! ???

I mean, it is not an obligations, it is your right like you scold your children when they making a mistake. What word you should pick for such condition?

huruf

Wakas I repeat because you have run away from answering my arguments when you have answered this in the same way, that I am not right, but refrained your self from rebuting my arguments you plain ignored them.

I am not interested inb eing your police and I do not have the time, so I am not looking for the threads where that has hapenned and it has been several.
But you also repppeat, everybody repeats. The forums are full of repetitions.

On the other hand, the wording of the aya is so plain and clear that what has to be explained is how it does come that it is transformed into something else. THAT should be explained and not forgotten that if somebody chooses to make things signify other thing that their meaning, one must bring arguments for it.

And I repeat for a good reason not for you, not for those who systematically ignore things that do not suit their own state of thought, but for those who might eventually find the need to go beyond the usual comfortable preconceptions.

I am grateful that some peole chose to repeat things, so that if a did not catch something the first time I had more opportunities later on. I have learnt things that way.

Salaam

huruf

I mean, it is not an obligations, it is your right like you scold your children when they making a mistake. What word you should pick for such condition?

I would agree if you would agree that women should also "scold" and beat up their husbands when they need correcting.

Have you really read the Qur'an?

Salaam

JavaLatte

I mean, it is not an obligations, it is your right like you scold your children when they making a mistake.

Scolding children is parent's right . . . !?! ???

What word you should pick for such condition?

I think it needs to be adjusted to the mistakes they make, and also, we need to look at the character of the kids who did it. Right now I don't have experience being a parent, so maybe I could not give proper input related how to educate children,

but I think "beating children" and/or "scolding children" are not the right ways to make the children honor their parents.

Even youre beating your child if he/she is harming her brother or her sister am I right?

I know that beating children is not effective way to educate them to be righteous.

Taro_Hiroshi

Beating your wife is not an obligations, it is your right, and you can decide to do it or not.

Which verse in the Quran says that it is a man's right to beat his wife? Do you have any Quranic evidence that supports your claim? Or is your rule based on your personal likes and dislikes instead of the book of God?

It seems that your rule is based on the mistranslation and misinterpretation of verse 434 in the Quran. Because in reality there is no verse in the Quran that supports wife beating.

Farabi

Ok fine I get it. Beating your wife is wrong. giveup

Taro_Hiroshi

Ok fine I get it.

FindingRightPathToAllah

I mean, it is not an obligations, it is your right like you scold your children when they making a mistake. What word you should pick for such condition?

So you are saying your wive is your child, and it is your right to scold her because she is a child and need to be corrected.

JavaLatte

Ok fine I get it. Beating your wife is wrong. giveup

Semoga Allah memudahkan anda dan istri anda untuk bisa menjaga kerukunan rumah tangga, saudara Farabi.

Supaya rumah tangga anda tenang, tidak ada pukul-pukulan atau pun omel-omelan. )

May Allah bless you and your family. Salm. D

Farabi

Semoga Allah memudahkan anda dan istri anda untuk bisa menjaga kerukunan rumah tangga, saudara Farabi.

Supaya rumah tangga anda tenang, tidak ada pukul-pukulan atau pun omel-omelan. )

May Allah bless you and your family. Salm.

You made me sound like I used to beat my wife. I did not married yet.

Farabi

So you are saying your wive is your child, and it is your right to scold her because she is a child and need to be corrected.

Yes I said that, but since many people doesnot like it I guess, I will not saying it anymore. giveup

FindingRightPathToAllah

Yes I said that, but since many people doesnot like it I guess, I will not saying it anymore. giveup

But why? Your wife is not your child. Do you consider yourself your wife's father?

Even most parents don't hit kids. There can be exceptions though.

Farabi

But why? Your wife is not your child. Do you consider yourself your wife's father?

Even most parents don't hit kids. There can be exceptions though.

I saw it from shlomo book, proverbs

Proverb 2313
13. Do not withhold discipline from a child; when you strike him with a rod, he will not die.

http//www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16394

FindingRightPathToAllah

I saw it from shlomo book, proverbshttp//www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16394

It is talking about parents and children which has nothing to do with the topic.

You said you consider your wife a child, and it is your right to correct her. I asked do you consider yourself your wife's father? Answer me this simple question.

Farabi

It is talking about parents and children which has nothing to do with the topic.

You said you consider your wife a child, and it is your right to correct her. I asked do you consider yourself your wife's father? Answer me this simple question.

I am a man. My instinct is different than you. When I talked about religion, I always think religion is the way to put your instinct on the right place. And I dont know why each time Im afraid my girlfriend about to leave me or I have a suspicions that she will leave me my anger was invoked. I used to think maybe religions want me to use this instinc only for educate her, not unleashing my lust, beating her for a scape goat. I dont know how to put it on the right words.

FindingRightPathToAllah

I am a man. My instinct is different than you. When I talked about religion, I always think religion is the way to put your instinct on the right place. And I dont know why each time Im afraid my girlfriend about to leave me or I have a suspicions that she will leave me my anger was invoked. I used to think maybe religions want me to use this instinc only for educate her, not unleashing my lust, beating her for a scape goat. I dont know how to put it on the right words.

I don't know about that. I just asked do you consider yourself as your wife's father? It is yes or no.

Anyway, if you don't want to answer, it is fine. I hope your wife is safe though.
May God bless you.