Wife beating in islam? The Quran strikes back
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I mean, it is not an obligations, it is your right like you scold your children when they making a mistake. What word you should pick for such condition?
So you are saying your wive is your child, and it is your right to scold her because she is a child and need to be corrected.
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Ok fine I get it. Beating your wife is wrong. giveup
Semoga Allah memudahkan anda dan istri anda untuk bisa menjaga kerukunan rumah tangga, saudara Farabi.
Supaya rumah tangga anda tenang, tidak ada pukul-pukulan atau pun omel-omelan. )
May Allah bless you and your family. Salm. D
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Semoga Allah memudahkan anda dan istri anda untuk bisa menjaga kerukunan rumah tangga, saudara Farabi.
Supaya rumah tangga anda tenang, tidak ada pukul-pukulan atau pun omel-omelan. )
May Allah bless you and your family. Salm.
You made me sound like I used to beat my wife. I did not married yet.
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Yes I said that, but since many people doesnot like it I guess, I will not saying it anymore. giveup
But why? Your wife is not your child. Do you consider yourself your wife's father?
Even most parents don't hit kids. There can be exceptions though.
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But why? Your wife is not your child. Do you consider yourself your wife's father?
Even most parents don't hit kids. There can be exceptions though.
I saw it from shlomo book, proverbs
Proverb 2313
13. Do not withhold discipline from a child; when you strike him with a rod, he will not die.http//www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16394
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I saw it from shlomo book, proverbshttp//www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16394
It is talking about parents and children which has nothing to do with the topic.
You said you consider your wife a child, and it is your right to correct her. I asked do you consider yourself your wife's father? Answer me this simple question.
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It is talking about parents and children which has nothing to do with the topic.
You said you consider your wife a child, and it is your right to correct her. I asked do you consider yourself your wife's father? Answer me this simple question.
I am a man. My instinct is different than you. When I talked about religion, I always think religion is the way to put your instinct on the right place. And I dont know why each time Im afraid my girlfriend about to leave me or I have a suspicions that she will leave me my anger was invoked. I used to think maybe religions want me to use this instinc only for educate her, not unleashing my lust, beating her for a scape goat. I dont know how to put it on the right words.
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I am a man. My instinct is different than you. When I talked about religion, I always think religion is the way to put your instinct on the right place. And I dont know why each time Im afraid my girlfriend about to leave me or I have a suspicions that she will leave me my anger was invoked. I used to think maybe religions want me to use this instinc only for educate her, not unleashing my lust, beating her for a scape goat. I dont know how to put it on the right words.
I don't know about that. I just asked do you consider yourself as your wife's father? It is yes or no.
Anyway, if you don't want to answer, it is fine. I hope your wife is safe though.
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I don't know about that. I just asked do you consider yourself as your wife's father? It is yes or no.
Anyway, if you don't want to answer, it is fine. I hope your wife is safe though.
May God bless you.No Im not. Im not considering myself as my wife father. And I dont have wife yet.
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peace,
People tend to discriminate muslims by saying beating his wife is an obligations. It is not. Beating your wife is not an obligations, it is your right, and you can decide to do it or not. That allowance is to defend Job who are swore gonna beat her wife. And for that swore even though Job is regret it, God still command him to do his swore by taking a grass and do it.
That story is based on non-Quran sources.
For an explanation of it as per Quran, I recommend point 14 here
http//www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html#part1 -
No Im not. Im not considering myself as my wife father. And I dont have wife yet.
I can go on and on with this, but let me just come straight to the point. Why do you consider her as a child then? You are not her father. She is not your child. A wife is an adult, not a child. Don't compare her to a child then. It doesn't make sense. Beating is wrong.
Other than that, it is your choice if you can understand this or not. I hope I didn't offend you. -
Wife beating or children beating has absolutely NO place in Islam. Those 'muslims' who does any of this need to be removed from Islam for real.
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Wife beating or children beating has absolutely NO place in Islam. Those 'muslims' who does any of this need to be removed from Islam for real.
Agreed handshake
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Thankfully it does not mention anything about wife beating in the passage in question.
Salaam
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peace,
So can you call Arabic an eloquent tongue, when one word "da ra ba", cause so much pain to thousands of women?
I'm not sure if any language can be called "eloquent", but perhaps you mean The Quran's use of such a language. If so, then not if it is used in a haphazard way with little or no way of determining meaning etc. However, in the case of DRB in Quran, there is consistent usage as shown in the article www.Quran434.com
End Notes for Part 1
It has been shown that there is not one clear occurrence in The Quran in which "beat" is the meaning of DRB.
It seems that the default meaning of DRB is "to put/show forth (from one person/place to another person/place)". This core meaning fits into every occurrence, and thus could be seen as its basic/core meaning. Lane's Lexicon states that its meaning is "to put into commotion" which is similar. Of course, with various prepositions and subject matter, this basic meaning can be refined and better rendered depending on situation.
It is interesting to note from (11) and (12) that in similar contexts, The Quran switches from a non-literal/physical use of DRB (e.g. indicate) to a literal/physical use of DRB (e.g. strike / put forth / point out), by stating what the physical objects are and their interaction with the preposition "bi (with/by)".
The only verses in which the preposition "bi" is used with DRB are 2431, 5713, 2663, 260, 7160, 273, 3844, 3793, and in all these occurrences the meaning is a physical usage
wal yadribna bi khumurihinna AAala juyoobihinna = and let them draw/cast with their covers over/on their chests
wala yadribna bi-arjulihinna = and let them not strike/stamp/move with their feet
fa duriba baynahum bi soorin = then put forth between them with a wall
idrib bi AAasaka al bahra fa infalaqa = strike with your staff the sea, then it split/separated
idrib bi AAasaka al hajara fa infajarat min hu = strike with your staff the rock, then vented from it (twelve springs)
idrib bi AAasaka al hajara fa inbajasat min hu = strike with your staff the rock, then gushed from it (twelve springs)
idriboohu bi baAAdiha = cite /point out him with some of it (the murder)
Wa khuth bi yadika dighthan fa idribbihi wala tahnath = And take with your hand a handful, then collide /put forth with it, and do not incline towards falsehood
Fa ragha AAalayhim darban bi al yameeni = then he turned upon them striking with the right handThere are two verses that may need clarification
273 should be noted that a murder/crime is something specific and a real world tangible object and thus can be referred to as such. This might offer a possible reason as to why 273 was traditionally translated as it was, because if a murder/crime was not seen as a valid object/reference to DRB with, then the only other valid object would be the dead heifer.
3844 the act of DRB upon what/whom is not specifically mentioned, thus several interpretations may have existed at the time. Once the true context and meaning is identified as shown previously, this aspect becomes self explanatory and what/whom is not needed.It is interesting to note that these are the only two verses with preposition "bi" that require careful study in order to reveal the most likely answer, thus for these two verses it is likely several interpretations may have existed. If physical/literal strike was one interpretation, then these verses could have been used to favour a physical/literal striking in 434.
If DRB in 474 is taken as a physical strike as is commonly done, albeit as an idiom, then it would be the odd one out, as it does not use "bi". This gives further weight to the alternative understanding presented above.All examples of DRB with a direct object and no prepositions mean "put/show forth", providing internal consistency of usage. And when used in the same way as 434, i.e. applied to a person in 4357 and 273 it means the exact same thing. In 4357 Jesus is the second object of the verb DuRiBa, and in this verse it is in the perfect passive form meaning the object received the action expressed in the verb, i.e. Jesus received DRB, i.e. Jesus was put/shown forth / cited/indicated (as an example) by those disputing. In 4357 "mathala" could be considered an adverbial accusative that names or modifies the action of the verb. So the type of "darab" of the object "Jesus" is that of an "example". As we can clearly see a literal/physical striking of Jesus is nonsensical, and if we remove this modification of the verb, this shows when applied to a person as the object DRB on its own means to cite/indicate or put/show forth. A perfect match with 434 and 273.
In fact, to my knowledge, the conclusion of www.Quran434.com is the only work that provides overwhelming coherence in usage.
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I am a man. My instinct is different than you. When I talked about religion, I always think religion is the way to put your instinct on the right place. And I dont know why each time Im afraid my girlfriend about to leave me or I have a suspicions that she will leave me my anger was invoked. I used to think maybe religions want me to use this instinc only for educate her, not unleashing my lust, beating her for a scape goat. I dont know how to put it on the right words.
If your girlfriend is acting weird with you then you truly need to hear what verse 434 is saying and trust me it works!
Here is a simple explanation of it
While in the comfort phase, you don't want to tease in order to punish a woman for bad behavior, simply because it's a waste of time and it's going backwards in the process. You will start to banter, which leads to a playfully fighting vibe. This is the complete opposite of what you want once you are in comfort. In comfort you want to make her say to herself, "where was this guy all my life?"
Inevitably, however, there will be times when a woman will do something that you don't like, and it's imperative that you make her understand that this is unacceptable. I have deconstructed the process you need to follow in order to modify such behavior for good.
Change your behavior Fall silent or otherwise change your attitude to be more dismissive and display a willingness to walk away. The main point of this is to show that things will never be the same unless she changes what she just did. It's unacceptable.
Source http//www.lovesystems.com/dating-advice/attraction/make-her-chase-you-2
Do you see how the west actually applies this on moody romantic partners? This is the exact thing Allah said in that verse.
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Beware of instincts. Your soul does not have them, but the body does. In soul we are all equal.
Salaam
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Response to
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608675.msg391533#msg391533Thank you for your considered response, and also numbering your post as that makes it easier to reply to.
Re suggestions for article, point 2)
The red portion of your quote above is not even remotely suggested by 4128, hence very misleading
In the part you quoted you missed out the prefix "For sake of clarity, let's then re-arrange the steps to show the sequence for 4128 if the husband didn't do the right thing and left her hanging/stuck/suspended (i.e. no resolution)", i.e. I am providing a working example.
Not only that, prior to this part in the article, I provide a step by step analysis of both 434 and 4128 making it clear what the verses actually say.
Re 1)
When it comes to reconciling there is no prohibition upon the wife, e.g. she could abandon her husband in the bed if she wished, it is up to her. In fact, this may be relatively common if the wife is unhappy with her husband etc.
And it does matter what "iDRiBoo-hunna" means as I am making the case that "cite them" provides the coherence. We are testing "cite them".
If there is no reconciliation and the wife is left stuck, she can do as per 581-4, cite the husband to the authority - notification is the logical (and only possible?) step prior to arbiters getting involved.Re 2) and 3)
A few points
434
advise/counsel - see 26136 for two way dialogue with this word, or at least a response to the advice.
"IF they obeyed you" implies communicating obedience, i.e. dialogue, or at least displaying it4128
the outcome of reconciliation is basically coming to an understanding/agreement
either party is free to say or not say as they wish, e.g. a wife may make her case (advise, make demands, whatever) to the husband, he may choose not to respond, it may not result in a two way dialogue, and the verse even mentions alienation/iAAradanYou are right though that they are different words, with different connotations. In my view
to advise/counsel
does not necessarily require a response from the other party, involve a wrongdoingto reconcile (make right/peace/reform)
more likely does require a response from the other party, involves wrongdoingThis could explain the usage because in 4128 the strong implication is the husband is doing or done wrong, whereas in 434 it is a fear only with no implication of actual wrongdoing.
Re simultaneous/sequential
Of course there is overlap once the sequence is initiated and more than one step is done. What I meant was one does not initially do all 3 steps simultaneously. I discuss the evidence for this in the article.
