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Salat According to the Quran and a Critical Remark

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    Man_of_Faith
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    Salaam,

    I think he is with his Arab experts at the academy.

    God bless you

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      dnagroupsa
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      I am not sure what language namaz is in.... but i am quite sure it is not arabic.
      The arabs also pray the ritual salah and therefore i dont think it could be invented by another people who speak another tongue but could have been adopted by them and given the name namaz of which you speak.

      The story of Buraq was invented by arabs themselves so i am not sure how you reconcile the two.

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        Fusion
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        I am new on here and I have been reading posts and trying to familiarise myself the topics of discussion.
        I am really surprised as to the length of this thread and the contents... i mean it started with a simple discussion of how people who only takes Quran will be able to implement the Salat as per the instructions of Quran. If you guys cant agree on this matter and have so less tolerance then how could we blame those who follow hadiths, at least they have some sort of agreed upon base line over centuries, for prayer instructions? I mean they have process on how to pray, they have concept of mosques, then have friday prayer(where one post here claims no friday prayer) and they have the concept of ruku with those who ruku (similar to group salat)

        While I was under the impression that God left it on us to pray as we like as long as it has the elements of qayam, ruko and sujod and the fact of prescribed times.

        Cheers

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          Man_of_Faith
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          The reason people cannot agree upon anything is because they dispute about conjecture.

          Be faithful to the Rabb

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            sword_of_tashayyu
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            From using Ahadith to interpret Quran, you are relying on man-made 21st dictionaries to interpret the Quran. Bravo! bravo

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Have faith sword,

              I agree that you should not rely on hadith to interpret Quran and this is why I personally do not.

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                sword_of_tashayyu
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                You are interpreting each and every word found in the Holy Quran using a modern dictionary, how is that even possible. Dictionaries are fallible

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                  huruf
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                  I think what is commonly called prayer is not the same as salaat. In the qur'an there is dhkr, there is tasbih, al that tould be translated as prayer or praise of God. But as-salaat I think is communion, that is, the action to return to unity, to tawhid of God and of all that exists and which is out of God. Is the call to commune with that reality. A collective call, a call to everything and everybody. That exists in another religions, maybe in all.

                  Salaam

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                    I think what is commonly called prayer is not the same as salaat. In the qur'an there is dhkr, there is tasbih, al that tould be translated as prayer or praise of God. But as-salaat I think is communion, that is, the action to return to unity, to tawhid of God and of all that exists and which is out of God. Is the call to commune with that reality. A collective call, a call to everything and everybody. That exists in another religions, maybe in all.

                    Salaam

                    I like this what you wrote very much!
                    Thank you

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      That was my older perception. I see that people make progress.

                      Ensh'Allah you will also soon realize that the word does not even imply communication at all, and there are other words to connote communication.

                      Have faith

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                        Farabi
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                        I always felt good after sholat. When I did not do sholat, my temper was raised. But after I did sholat everything is felt good. Even better than any anti-depressant drugs.

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          Harmony be with you Farabi,

                          It may that your faith that it will help you will give you a placebo effect just like drugs do. We should not delude ourselves.

                          If you have faith that meditation will help you will have the same effect.

                          Have faith

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                            Farabi
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                            Harmony be with you Farabi,

                            It may that your faith that it will help you will give you a placebo effect just like drugs do. We should not delude ourselves.

                            If you have faith that meditation will help you will have the same effect.

                            Have faith

                            Ahem, I did not delude my self, the good feeling is real. Have you not tried it?

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              I have done it and I have experienced a feeling similar to yours, but I also critically examine things and I drew the conclusion that the effect is placebo. You can achieve it with anything for as long as you have faith in it. And concerning "God" everything is circulating around faith anyway, but faith not in superstitious rituals and rites for which perceived positive effects are generated because you put faith in them yourself.

                              If you make a ritual for yourself that every time you do a good deed to a person then your 'karma' is boosted you will also get a "placebo" effect. The difference between empty words towards "God" and doing the good deed is that the 'karma' is not only perceived to be boosted but it happens for real.

                              Delude is not ill-meant, it means that you falsely believe something to be true. I have also been a bit deluded about things previously.

                              Have faith

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                                GODsubmitter
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                                I have done it and I have experienced a feeling similar to yours, but I also critically examine things and I drew the conclusion that the effect is placebo. You can achieve it with anything for as long as you have faith in it. And concerning "God" everything is circulating around faith anyway, but faith not in superstitious rituals and rites for which perceived positive effects are generated because you put faith in them yourself.

                                If you make a ritual for yourself that every time you do a good deed to a person then your 'karma' is boosted you will also get a "placebo" effect. The difference between empty words towards "God" and doing the good deed is that the 'karma' is not only perceived to be boosted but it happens for real.

                                Delude is not ill-meant, it means that you falsely believe something to be true. I have also been a bit deluded about things previously.

                                Have faith

                                Thank you for your honesty.
                                It happens to many people in their development. I agree with you that it is important to search and examine things...

                                Peace

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