Questions about the Quran

Farabi

I believe the quran is a book, not a memories and then written as a book. But it is a book given verse per verse, not a whole, gradually and compiled by the angle. Based on that belief, I also believe the numeric system is exist when the quran was sent down, not added later. And since the begining of the surrah which had the name of Allah in front of it was not have a number. It was just included because I dont know why.

Wakas

w/salaam,

Re bismillah
I haven't studied this aspect. Perhaps it might help others if you provide what view you considered most sound based on what you have read about it. Also, you may wish to check to see if the earliest extant Quran scripts have it.

Re ALM, etc
There has been discussion of this before on the forum. In my view, the more likely options related to them being abbreviations for words or phrases, as discussed by bro Ayman. Or perhaps they have a mathematical significance, please note not necessarily code 19 related.

Re kitab
Again, there has been discussion of this and it is generally accepted "al kitab" is different from "al quran", see 1037 for example. This may be related to above also.

And this reading/quran could not have been produced without God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and a detailed explanation of the book/kitab in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.

amin

What I have in mind, this should be similar to the Hindu mantric word aum or sounded Om, Hindu texts starts with this and considered sacred by them, as far as i understand,

a is starting, creation
u means in the middle, the balancing part of God or running the show,
m resting up, ending up or taking back.

or some say OM is some mantric sound that relates with the sound of the universe before the creation process.

Similarly it can be some sacred texts thats long forgotten by the Arabs or it can be some kind of word that asks people to concentrate.

good_logic

Peace AbdulAziz Mohammed.

Here is a link providing a different view/answers to your questions?

http//submission.org/App1.html

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mazhar

Why God Started some of the chapters with letters like "Alef Laam Meem

A portion of mRNA Is Not Translated

Interestingly, not all regions of a messenger RNA molecule correspond to particular amino acids. In particular, there is an area near the 5' end of the molecule that is known as the un-translated region (UTR) or leader sequence. This portion of mRNA is located between the first nucleotide that is transcribed and the start codon (AUG) of the coding region, and it does not affect the sequence of amino acids in a protein. So, what is the purpose of the UTR? It turns out that the leader sequence is important because it contains a ribosome-binding site.

Sequencing of Grand Qur'aan for translation purposes is exactly like mRNA molecule. After the first Chapter Segment called Surat literally denoting; "an Enclave of superiority and elevation-Ascending Leap", there is a small binding site, one Ayah Alif Laam Meem , which is not translatable because it comprises of only letters of alphabet and diacritical mark, but has no syllable, vowel. Arabic is a language of syllables, comprising at least a consonant and a vowel producing a meaningful sound which is translatable. This sequencing is specifically mentioned

c) The process for the near-accurate translation of Grand Qur'aan like DNA translation process.

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AlifL The First Letter, not consonant, of Arabic alphabet ( &#8206 it has no speech sound and is not conjoined with the succeeding consonants of a word or with the following word;
Laa'm and Mee'm Two consonants of Arabic alphabet conjoined/stitched together and both have above them an ancillary glyph-prolongation sign-mark called "Madda" which means and extends-stretches the sound value of the letter to which it is added. The prolongation mark reflects that the following joined letter is still causing pause as consonant ends with still resulting in natural pause in its pronunciation "Laa'm". Likewise, the consonant has the prolongation sign suggesting to pronounce it with stretched sound to make the last still letter vivid in sound ending in natural pause "Mee'm- ". Prolongation sign will also appear when the following consonant with vowel is delicate "Hamza, " which can distinctly and audibly pronounced only when the preceding letter is pronounced elongated. Arabic language equally cares for the convenience of the speaker and the listener. Please remember that the prolongation sign is not the equivalent to nor it represents a hamza followed by Alif.

** The First Ayah reflects that the Book in hand is in the language that has letters and other marks representing that its writing system is letter-diacritic combination based. It results in the combination of sounds that form a syllable rather than a single sound.

*** Arabic alphabet has 29 parts. It comprises of one Letter and 28 Consonants. . Fourteen Letters out of 29 have been used in different combinations in 29 Sura of Grand Qur'aan. In 19 Suras, there are 20 complete Aa'ya'at comprising only of letters and prolongation sign and in 10 Suras these are the initial part of the Aa'ya'at. One letter has two styles and . Letter is used only in the beginning and middle of a word and is not used as such, it is only at the end; isolated or conjoined/attached.

**** The first Ayah of Grand Qur'aan reflects that the style of handwriting/written Arabic is cursive which means that most of the letters within a word connect to the adjacent letters. Arabic style has a substantially different shape of letters. It depends on whether it will be connecting with a preceding and/or a succeeding letter. Thus, all primary letters have conditional forms for their glyphs, depending on whether they are at the beginning, middle or end of a word, and resultantly they may exhibit four distinct forms (initial, medial, final or isolated). However, six letters have only isolated or final form, these are ,,,,, and so force the following letter, if any, to take an initial or isolated form, as if there were a word break.

Letters and consonants coupled with diacritic combinations produce composite speech sound and that is a "word"; an expression conveying a specific perception and meanings. The First Ayah of Grand Qur'aan does not contain what is termed as "vowel". It shows that consonants and vowels are two different entities, the later being something which is secondary and subsequent in taking actual existence and appearance. The vibration of an apparatus given the name ?Vocal Cord?, quite recently first produces the sound of consonants. However, way back Qur'aan gave more specific description , the Cord that makes reach the thought-idea to a point where the limit of another place start-auditory apparatus of listener. Thereafter, the tongues create the vowel sounds or we can say ?vowelization? takes place afterwards.

The auditory distinguishing of the vowels depends on the precise shape and volume of the oral cavity; the region of the vocal tract between the larynx and the opening of the mouth. Main organ involved in adjusting the shape and volume of the oral cavity is the tongue.

The phenomenon of vibration of vocal cord producing sound is but natural upon which man does not exercise mechanical/voluntary control by will. It converts the idea-thought into sound that is retrieved from memory when one intends to convey it to others However, once the sound has arrived in the mouth cavity the tongue mechanically articulates it by will and design to "vowel-ize" the sound in the manner one may like to throw-eject it out of the mouth.

So called Mystery of Initial Letter/Consonants.

Mazhar

The third questions
Why God said in the beginning of the second chapter "That is the Book, whereof there is no doubt) like talking about something that is far? even though we know that Quran didnt revealed all together at once!? I will write what I mean in Arabic why

It seems strange that after having read 50 exegeses, you have not detected the difference between Raib and Shak which are both Arabic Verbal Nouns.

What is meant and why an author uses a Demonstrative Pronoun? The Book is in your hands or before your eyes if it is being presented to you. Then what is the point in saying ?

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Introduction of Qur'aan The Infinitely Reliable Book

We have heard and read much about the inimitability of Grand Qur'aan; but that were mostly with reference to the art of writing a book. We will discuss it with reference to the proclamation in Qur'aan and by its characteristic features highlighted in its discourse that render it all time exalted and sublime book. We will also refer in our study to the criteria of evaluation of books that render a book great to see the uniqueness and sublimity of Grand Qur'aan in every aspect. Inimitability means impossible to imitate because of being unique. Only that book is inimitable, in true sense of the term, which is infinitely reliable whereby all other available books would stand grouped into a single family as "other than Grand Qur'aan". Greater the level of reliability; easier is it to translate and comprehend a book.

Introduction of Qur'aan The Infinitely Reliable Book

Armanaziz

Salam brother Abdul Aziz.

You have asked very interesting and thought provoking questions. Let me share with you my humble views on this -

Bismillah - I understand that the verse numbering was a later introduction to facilitate referencing. So whether we number the Bismillahs or not really has no theological significance. As far as I am concerned they are part of the Qur'an and that's all that really matters.
Introductory letters - I have no specific view on this topic as of now. But I am convinced that we are yet to learn the full signifiance of these letters - and I am open to learning.
That book - I believe if it is said "this book" - then the immediate reaction to the reader's mind is the physical book that the reader is reading. By choosing the words "that book" the narrator is distinguishing between the physical copy of the book and the "original content" of the Qur'an. An individual physical copy of the Qur'an may have printing / copying errors, and even more importantly they may be corrupted with addition of incorrect translation / exegeses which may be subject to doubt. BUT the Original Qur'an - that book has no doubt in it. Thus by choosing the word "that" over "this" the narrator is

engaging the reader to look deep into each word.
clearly distinguishing the "original text" from any man-made insertions that may be seen in the physical copy of the book and
negating inappropriate reverence / importance that may be put to the physical book - which is merely a physical object.

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Regards,
Arman

Hizbullah

Salam Alaikum,

I have some questions I've been searching for answers since so many years and I thought of asking you, Insha Allah I will learn from you here.

The first question
The beginning of every chapter in the Quran ( &#1605 is it a verse? I know of the difference opinions among Muslim Scholars, I've read hundreds of pages about the difference, but honestly I still can't claim I have a solid answer. Is it a verse, is it added verse by the one who collected the Quran in one book. You might say this is not important, but actually it's very critical because if it's really a verse, then so many things would be based on. Please don't cope-paste the opinion of Sunni-Muslim Scholars opinion on this, because I think I read most of them, I don't want to go through hundreds of pages again.

Why God Started some of the chapters with letters like "Alef Laam Meem" or "Alef Laam Raa'a"...etc and what does it mean? if it doesn't have a meaning why would God put it in the Quran? and why we never heard any Non-Muslims in history denying the message of Islam saying things like "Mohammed came up with letters human beings can't understand?" again I am looking for solid answers not what the scholars said about them like "Alef stands for Allah, Laam stands for Jibreel, Meem stands for Mohammed" or things like "Alef the sound coming out of the throat, Laam from the sides of tongue, Meem from the lips, ...etc" I am not looking for such answers.

The third questions
Why God said in the beginning of the second chapter "That is the Book, whereof there is no doubt) like talking about something that is far? even though we know that Quran didnt revealed all together at once!? I will write what I mean in Arabic why

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again, I am not looking for the typical answers given by old scholars. Does really "Al Ketab" refers to a book or something else? I am thinking of that because if it means book then I would need to find a satisfying answer, otherwise I will search for the meaning of AlKetab.

Finally out of the topic, is there anyone who knows where I can find AlSindhi's Tafsir (Ilham Al Rahman) in English or Arabic ?

Thanks in advance

I've read more than 50 commentary of the Quran (What they call Tafsir), yet I am still not

Wa alaikussalam,

Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archaeologist, found more than twenty ?churches? in Madaba at the south of Jordan and in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscription in Arabic "Bism El-Lah (Allah) al Rahman al Rahim", From C14, proves that it was written in the Forth Century. Why these writings were in the 4th Century and not in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd Century of the CE?

This confirmed that Islam were already established in the 4th Century and the first to use this name taken from the Quran. The houses are not churches but mosques.

Please read my thread

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606373.0

The script of today's Quran are not the same as it was back in the 4th Century but the syntax and morphology possibly are. Plausible of some errors when the scribes rewritten the Quran in the 7th Century using the new script. Maybe these "Alef Laam Meem" or "Alef Laam Raa'a" were not even there in the ancient Quran and if it was, only those ancient Quran have the answers to your questions! Did you ever ask why Osman burnt the Quran. Which Quran did he burnt, the Quran written in the 4th or 5th or 6th Century script? Or did he burnt all Quran written in ancient script? Why did he burnt those Quran?
I concur with Bro Wakas. Whenever the Quran refers to itself as a divine book, it uses the phrase "this" not "that"

0202 - THAT is the Book, wherein is no doubt, a guidance to the godfearing..."

06155 - And this is a Book (the Quran) which We have sent down as a blessing; so follow it that you may receive Mercy.

06156 - Lest you should say ?That what was sent the Book on two sects (the Jews & Christians) before us, and we were unaware of what they used to study.?

1037 - This Quran could not have been produced by any other than Allah......

That Book refers to the AlFurqan aka the Bible.

Peace

Farabi

That Book refers to the AlFurqan aka the Bible.

I agree with you. The quran always assume the reader know about the bible. Not just that, also the quran reader should ask the bible owner if they had doubt about the quran.

mmkhan

Wa alaikum Salaam,

Please take a look at this article on alKitaab.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Farabi

Wa alaikum Salaam,

Please take a look at this article on alKitaab.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Hi, Nice Thread.
I agree with you about alkitab and alquran meaning. In Hebrew, QR mean recite, while on arabic QR mean reading. I used Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic to understand the Torah on its original form.

mmkhan

Hi, Nice Thread.
I agree with you about alkitab and alquran meaning. In Hebrew, QR mean recite, while on arabic QR mean reading. I used Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic to understand the Torah on its original form.

Hello and peace,

Thank you. As per my understanding the red highlighted word below means recite.

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May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Man_of_Faith

Yes indeed. Qur means to recite, but it can be both ways you can recite silently to yourself. It is a word with dual meaning. And Qul means to express (something).

Arabic and Hebrew are conspicuously alike. More than people realize and they use the same letters with only different symbols. Hebrew has a bit different grammar including affixing, but it is not so different than people think. Jewish clerics invented meanings of the Hebrew scriptures which is a reason it seems strange.

I learned some Hebrew grammar the other day.

Take Allah for example.

If you refer to "God" actively in a sentence you say El
Passively Elohyim
Attribute (God of) Elohi, like Elohi Avraham.

In Arabic the grammar is refined to prevent misconception of what is Allah, for can refer to Feroon/Pharaoh as well there so is a vague definition. But apart from that there is little difference, it is just which forms the word of reference. Still Allah's definition is "is that it is" though just as Eloyim is intended to imply. The word anyway implies that the one who "is it" is bla bla... such as the intro line Allah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem, i.e. "Be that thereby (be) - Al-Rahman Al-Raheem". I suppose you get the point.

Have faith