Is quran really easy to understand?
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Peace Hogunsami.
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I wonder why lord of the worlds has to resort to such chutzpah to convince the masses. No I simply cannot believe that. From what I know quran is a book asking lot of questions seldom giving answers.
Are you implying that Qoran is from the Lord of the worlds? Or otherwise?
Do you know who the Lord of the worlds is?
If you do, then you better believe His words!!!!
If you do not, then why are you bothered at all? Simply dismiss all of Qoran and leave it to those who want to believe in it!
Is the matter not as simple as that?
GOD bless you.
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@Mazhar Very interesting stuff you're posting here. It raises a question though. Can someone who only reads translations of Quran and uses arabic references to research dubious parts of the translation never reach full comprehension then?
I would find that hard to believe. I'm not denying what you are saying is a plausible mechanism intrinsic to Quran, but I'm questioning how crucial it is to help you comprehend it. I think there is more to it.
One needs to be a critical reader. Read the translations/exegeses as a critical reader and you will conclude but to throw them all in the waste paper basket.
After reading critically about more than two dozens exegeses, I lamented what type of scholars were they that a man of ordinary prudence like me could detect hundreds of mistakes, redundancy, contradictions, vagueness in the target language texts in Urdu and English.
Just put on top line the translation of George Sale and John Rodwell and then downwards all the translations . See them criticqlly, there is nothing new, all worst example of plagiarism.
Qur'aan has used a very small vocabulry of Arabic language. Anyone who has a passion to listen the voice of the Author and the Relayer of Qur'aan, he can learn the Grammar of Qur'aan in just a months time. I learnt it all at my own, no school, college, professional background in Arabic language.
First exercise is to visually recognize all the words of Qur'aan differentiating them as noun and verb. You can do it in just two hours by remembering a dozen prepositions and particles.
The moment you acquire the skill to visually recognize the nouns and verbs and the phrases prepositional phrase, possessive phrase, and adjectival phrase you will find it easy to parse a sentence. Parsing of the sentence is what will give you understanding of semantics.
For learning Arabic grammar you will only need to revisit English grammar book; regards what is a preposition; how prepositional phrase is related to other element in a sentence; and so on.
Proclamation of Allah the Exalted Qur'aan is rendered facilitative for learning and comprehension by its transcription in Arabic
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@reel http//old.richarddawkins.net/discussions/596593-debunking-islam-s-ludicrous-claims-to-scientific-prescience.
They are debunking claims made by Harun Yahya and others who don't have phds?
Why dont you go over https//archive.org/details/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille instead? And who says these are all miracles? They are facts of life.
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The Qur'an is no more difficult to understand than, for instane, the parables in the Gospels, but the Qur'an touches all levels of spiritual and mental development. Those who do no have more than a very low level of either, will cringe at those parts that are way over them if they do not have the necessary humility or objectivity as to themselves concerning their real level.
On the other hand, if one trusts the Qur'an, by study and reasoning will get to understand more and more of the less obvious teachings of the Qur'an.
Many times, in fact, those teachings are very obvious, but it is because of our own previous mislearning that we do not understand. If we are able to get read of those mislearnings and takenforgranted worng "truths" the Qur'an is so plain that it is shocking.
So yes, the Qur'an is easy to understand in those things that are at our level of spiritual and factual knowledge and objectivity.
However, it is not for diletantes and know-alls. They waste their and other people's time parading their ignorance where it is not so much appreciated.
Salaam
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You seem to have appointed yourself as the spokesman for "ALL". And you also seem to be unable to read, because you answer nothing and discard anything that does not fit your first assertions in this forum and you just repeat them once more. If Qur'an does not have anything to offer you, you seem yourself to have very nothing to offer as far as any understanding of anything at all goes.
Good luck to yourself with yourself.
I must say this is the impression I also get.
It is unfortunate that not once has the OP referred to any objective evidence.
Also, the alleged debunking of scientific information in Quran is primarily related to the debunking of Hadith-based Quran interpretation.
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I must say this is the impression I also get.
It is unfortunate that not once has the OP referred to any objective evidence.
Also, the alleged debunking of scientific information in Quran is primarily related to the debunking of Hadith-based Quran interpretation.
I acknowledge that that answer you quoted of mine is nto particularly "charitable". On the other hand, may be I have become hardened to this kind of thing and I guess I do not feel, wrongly or rightly, that patience with it, is not so much appreciated.
Obviously I am sure that those who answer do not not for the sake of the OP but for other people who indeed may want to learn. I am sorry if my impatience rub those the wrong way. But thanks, wakas, for your understanding.
Salaam
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Hi everyone, looking at all the replies my initial suspicion in only growing. That quran is easy to understand is a misnomer. Most of the current translations only confuses people.it is anything but clear and not at all structured. The subjects are mentioned in very haphazard manner. The idea that one needs to be grounded on history and sahih hadith to understand quran is also not correct. Since the entire history seems to be made up for whatever reasons. The science of quran has been debunked several times . The belief that quran explains or contains scientific facts is only an urban legend. The idea that somehow quran will open up magically to those who seek is also suspect. If it is true then I haven't seen or heard anyone with the true divine knowledge. Which again brings us back to crux of our discussion what exactly was the purpose of quran? Seems jafar has a point. We may not be the intended audience of the quran and that may be why we all get so worked up and muddled looking for answers. Maybe because there is none..
Many fell into the trap of worshiping a humanly written books as an idol...
Namely (for a few) Quran, Tanakh, Gospel, Hadith and any combination of it...Quran might NOT open up magically to those who seek..
But God definitely will gives answer to those who asked the question.. and will give clue to those who ponder and will give revelation to those who seek out...
God's message will be delivered in 'very customized manner', to ensure easy understanding of those who received the message..
And it's working up until today and into the future...The most ridiculous claim that the religious / books worshiper has made so far is that God has STOPPED the revelation...
And his/her holy human made idol/book is the LAST revelation.
Which is totally not true...Salam / Peace
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Hi everyone, thank you for your time and kind replies. In the event if there is a misunderstanding let me clear it. I am not a native speaker of Arabic and I try to shape my understanding on reading different works and opinions. I have been visiting this site for some years and it has helped me a lot in forming a valuable opinion. I joined this group and started posting hoping to get answers which I do not have. If i sound sceptical and critical that is intentional because it comes after a quite a journey correcting my understanding or misunderstanding. Whatever I have been fed was a lie. So I had to take this critical approach questioning everything and everyone. But rest assured my true intentions are noble and I am seeking all of your help as a student. I am also influenced by the morass muslims find now in. We muslims are digging deep into a pit where there is no coming back. Coming back to the topic about quran being easy to understand , lot of opinions were raised. From understanding or performing simple acts like charity, honesty etc. this may be part of quran but we don't need any scriptures to understand the importance of goodness or such qualities. We have an inbuilt moral compass which helps us to determine what is right and what would be good. A person can be good by his own efforts . Looking at the thousands of topic in this forum it's hard to agree that quran was easy to understand. If it was easy we wouldn't be here discussing and analyzing so much.
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Hi jafar, thank you. I try to ask some critical questions because as you said I am trying to vett my understanding . Maybe I have missed something that I haven't thought of? Maybe my understanding has lot of holes? I do have some general understanding which are as follows
- Islam is not a religion
- There is no diety or anthromorphic god
- Humans were tasked with the responsibility of protecting earth and all it's inhabitants
- Quran promotes critical thinking and instructs to acquire knowledge.
- Quran promotes a just social order based on equality and liberty.
- Only a just knowledge based society can truly achieve the vision of quran.
- There is no shariah as currently understood. A society based on critical thinking and idea of justice is more than capable of formulating there own laws.
- Sunnatullah refers to natural laws and are un changeable. For example gravity, speed of light in different medium, boiling point of water etc.
These are some of my understanding. I may be wrong on some or if not all of the points. If any point is not clear I am happy to elaborate.
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It would be the first book of any kind which deals with all aspets of life which did not, by itself or by the expectations or environment, give raise to a lof tof controversies and exchanges. Also, to be born in mind is that people do not put up for discussion things that offer no room for further developing a subject or delucidating it. Therefore things that offer no doubt are not talked of.
On the other hand, people are not, in a forum, put in grades. So what for some may be a question for others it is not a question at all. So, logically what we get here is a spectrum which does nto portray a religion or a book but the planetarium of those turning around that book. to say that that book should not be or does not deserve to be at the centre of suh a spectrum is to ignore what it is and what its function is.
If one wants something that for every possibility in life gives a plain red or green answer it might be a wonder of "human agreement" which I personally would immediately throw into the wastebin. There are no limits to what the Qur'an can teach because there are no limits to what a person and every person can learn or attempt to learn or discover or wonder at or turn around for ages to satisfy a craving. A manual for operating a printer might (might is the word) be clear and uniquivocous, a book which aims at opening human eyes to everything and beyond everything, to expect no divergence is to expect that by some miracle we all six thousand million or however many we may be now, would fall in love with the very self same person. It might be simple but would it be good?
No, eah person, and each mornign and setting of each person must live her or his life to the full, fail his or her failures, suffer her or his lot and experience his or her happinessess, live her own life with all its events and lacks of them. Every second of a life is a wonder, a mirale, a most priced jewel, why should we want to learn the same as others at the same time as others...
That the Qur'an is a miracle... everything is a mirale by the mere fact of being. asking for further miracles is like having water and asking for water. Or wanting to be there when you are already there.
But, I think for many epoole and for many of those who are in this forum the qur'an fulfills its promises. I encloses human pisychology that at times is uncany in the portrayal of traits in a mere couple of words or even one word.
That it has been misinterpreted, it is logical, everything in this world is misinterpreted and also rightly interpreted. People interpret, so why shoudl people be always right? No need. For those who seek, they understand what while they seek they must seek. Nobody is going to give them the ended search, in the same way that we are not given the food already eaten. We , each must eat it and idgest it, and hopefully not vomit it.
Some people are vomiting islam right now, why. Fr the reasons that people vomit, because they are unwell, because the food is adulterated, because they have eaten too muh or at the wrong time or mixed it with non edible things...
But no food is going ever to feed a person who is not the eater. So if one wants to get something out of the Qur?am one must go to it, eat it the right way in the proper amounts and at the proper times. Whih are those? God knows.
I know it has taken me all my life, but I am glad, no time I consider wasted. It gives me hapinness, satisfaction, not about my being right, but about everything being right, about the irremediability of ultimate satisfaction and glory and extasis.
Salaam
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From understanding or performing simple acts like charity, honesty etc. this may be part of quran but we don't need any scriptures to understand the importance of goodness or such qualities. We have an inbuilt moral compass which helps us to determine what is right and what would be good. A person can be good by his own efforts .
I recommend
So establish yourself to the obligation/system of truth/righteousness/monotheism. It is the nature that God has made the people on. There is no changing in God's creation. Such is the right obligation/system, but most people do not know
http//www.free-minds.org/mumins
Looking at the thousands of topic in this forum it's hard to agree that quran was easy to understand. If it was easy we wouldn't be here discussing and analyzing so much.
I wouldn't take a forum as evidence. Bear in mind anyone can join a public forum and post any view (within reason). If you actually look at views that are evidence-based and detailed enough to form a conclusion, the variance reduces dramatically.
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Hi jafar, thank you. I try to ask some critical questions because as you said I am trying to vett my understanding . Maybe I have missed something that I haven't thought of? Maybe my understanding has lot of holes? I do have some general understanding which are as follows
- Islam is not a religion
- There is no diety or anthromorphic god
- Humans were tasked with the responsibility of protecting earth and all it's inhabitants
- Quran promotes critical thinking and instructs to acquire knowledge.
- Quran promotes a just social order based on equality and liberty.
- Only a just knowledge based society can truly achieve the vision of quran.
- There is no shariah as currently understood. A society based on critical thinking and idea of justice is more than capable of formulating there own laws.
- Sunnatullah refers to natural laws and are un changeable. For example gravity, speed of light in different medium, boiling point of water etc.
These are some of my understanding. I may be wrong on some or if not all of the points. If any point is not clear I am happy to elaborate.
- islam is an attitude, a character of "peacefully accepting God's will", whatever it is, no matter how hard it is.
- Correct, God is here there everywhere and has no boundary of space and time
- God has a plan for human to become a 'caretaker' of earth, at least up until now, He might also has other plan for human in the future, He might expand the responsibility for human to become a 'caretaker' of solar systems or galaxies in the future... When human has evolved to be a wiser being to uphold such responsibility.
- God promotes critical thinking as it's within His plan for human evolution.. He continuously send out revelation to human being, He has unlimited media of communication.
- God has a plan for just social order to thrived among human society. Those who failed to do so shall become extinct eventually (Survival of the nicest). He has prepared a perfect ecosystem to ensure and enforce such 'plan'.
- Only a just society shall eventually survive, the other shall become extinct. Again He has a perfect ecosystem to ensure that unjust society shall eventually perish.
- "Sharia" is among human's false hypothesis on how the world around them works.
- Sunnatulah is natural law is God's law. He has a perfect ecosystem for it's enforcement. It's however changing.. yet all of the changes happened in accordance to His plan / will. (ie there will be times when gravity shall work in reverse)
Salam / Peace
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Hi everyone, thank you for your time and kind replies. In the event if there is a misunderstanding let me clear it. I am not a native speaker of Arabic and I try to shape my understanding on reading different works and opinions. I have been visiting this site for some years and it has helped me a lot in forming a valuable opinion. I joined this group and started posting hoping to get answers which I do not have. If i sound sceptical and critical that is intentional because it comes after a quite a journey correcting my understanding or misunderstanding. Whatever I have been fed was a lie. So I had to take this critical approach questioning everything and everyone. But rest assured my true intentions are noble and I am seeking all of your help as a student. I am also influenced by the morass muslims find now in. We muslims are digging deep into a pit where there is no coming back. Coming back to the topic about quran being easy to understand , lot of opinions were raised. From understanding or performing simple acts like charity, honesty etc. this may be part of quran but we don't need any scriptures to understand the importance of goodness or such qualities. We have an inbuilt moral compass which helps us to determine what is right and what would be good. A person can be good by his own efforts . Looking at the thousands of topic in this forum it's hard to agree that quran was easy to understand. If it was easy we wouldn't be here discussing and analyzing so much.
I dont think its important to be native Arabic speaker to understand Quran provided you know how the language works. Majority of the members here are skilled at it. Yet keep an open mind, for all of us are humans and our view can be sometimes limited to what knowledge we have. We can make mistakes.
But I recommend you to be extra careful about what you find at anti Islam sites....esp those coming from atheists. Sad to see that although they swear by science their view on how things work is rather shallow and even inaccurate. They will make you forget whatever science you studied even in elementary school. Let me show you the results from the link you provided.
- Quran Miracle Debunked 24 of 50 Creation from Smoke
Comment he received from his viewers
"The word gas does not include dust and other particles in the stars. But Smoke include them. A . Quoting from Nasa.gov ?The fact that the red and green do overlap indicates that this supernova is synthesizing dust and gas together. This is the ?smoking gun ? , indicating that supernovae were significant suppliers of fresh dust in the very early universe -- something that was hard to demonstrate prior to the Spitzer observations."
"actually, the universe was like a smoke according to science news(DOT)sciencemag(DOT)org / physics / 2010 / 11 / how-early-universe-cleared-away-fog Just replace the DOT and remove the spaces"
- Quran Miracle Debunked 23 of 50 Underwater (internal) Waves and the Darkness of the Sea.
Comment he received from his viewers
"this has to be one of the dumbest videos i have ever seen in order for you to debunk the quranic claim you must
1-show the Arabic text of the verse and use the word in question
2-you must provide a historical evidence that shows Muhammad(pbuh) had access to these types of knowledge
3-also diving has to be done in 70 meters and on daylight because in night you can't see a damn thing also 70 meters are our limits to endorse water pressure the more we go down the more dangerous it become you need to have great diving equipment to go deeper than 70 meters and that was not available at the time of the prophet
4-the prophet most have known foreign languages and learned the English or what ever the language these books where written on and there IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS AT ALL hell he can't even type or read Arabic and there was only 17 people in his time who can read or wright
AGAIN you FAIL EPIC FAIL like all your other videos and all the islamophobs claims share point(2 and 4) you never show historical evidence that the prophet copied those people before him you are pathetic uploader just like the rest of your audience"
"so because 2 books in the universe written in english mentioned it means the prophet somehow got his hands on it?? also pearl diving was done at short distances in the sea, and it would be have to done during the day because in the night you cant see shit, but in the day light goes deep for 200 meters, humans cant go more than 70m, you didnt debunk shit"
"the man who uploaded this video is very stupid. he only posted some part of the verse and not the whole. allah in fact talked about the extreme darkness of the deep ocean that even if one stretches his hand he won't be able to see it; this darkness lies beyond 200 meters from the water surface according to science. we have only discovered this recently with the new technology as humans can not dive in beyond 40 meters."
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Quran Miracle Debunked 22 of 50 The Expanding Universe.
This one needs no explanation. The cunning debunker intentionally changes the verse to make sure he can debunk it. He is replacing expanding with expanded apparently because tafsir says so rotfl -
Islamic Arguments Debunked 10 of 30 'Biology in the Quran was correct and previously unknown'.
Biology knowledge from bukhari???? Nuff said! The debunker in the video also leaves out the stages of embryology available in the Quran, but have been recently discovered by science. His video, therefore, debunks nothing. -
Quran Miracle Debunked 18 of 50 Black holes in the Quran
lol, the debunker thinks that our sun is alone for which in his eyes the verse 7778 is wrong when it says "So when the stars are obliterated".
hypno
He needs to learn about binary system of stars and the fact that there are other stars surrounding the sun. This is middle school scientific fact. He proved nothing. Just showed his lack of knowledge. Scientists believe our sun has connection to other stars, but they just dont know what it is. The only thing I can agree with him is that its speaking of a future event.
I can go on and on debunking all his stupid claims, but seriously man, it looks like only the dumbest people become atheist. They are buying into his claims without varying whether he is giving them solid scientific facts.
Thank you very very much for providing the link. It totally proved that Richard Dawkins is scam artist. He has 0 idea about science. In fact he doesnt even know the most trivial scientific facts. Otherwise, he wouldnt have said "I was therefore delighted to receive, from Islamdebunked, word about a splendid collection of short Youtube films, systematically destroying these ridiculous Islamic claims, with the added bonus of beautiful background music"
Only an illiterate can make such claim. Now I am sure his papers are written by ghostwriters.
- Quran Miracle Debunked 24 of 50 Creation from Smoke
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Peace Shogunsami,
Is the Quran easy to understand? Is a physics book easy to understand? Is a biology book easy to understand?
It depends on the one reading the Quran that will determine if it is easy or not!God bless you
Peace,
For those who say you need to know Arabic have not looked at the fact that many Arabic speaking people
are astray, Arabic helps but the truth of the matter is "Allah guides whom he pleases."God bless you
peace
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Peace,
For those who say you need to know Arabic have not looked at the fact that many Arabic speaking people
are astray, Arabic helps but the truth of the matter is "Allah guides whom he pleases."God bless you
peace
Speaking a language and knowing a language are two different things. Allah the Exalted guides with Qur'aan. Therefore, one must learn the skill for real-time translation to read and comprehend Qur'aan.
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Billions speak English. How many are the authors of books in English? There lies the difference. Only those can become an author who know the language; not because they speak that language.
Peace Mazhar,
So only authors know the language of English? nope What about those who read what
the authors write? Does Quran say only those who know Arabic are guided? Many Arabs
"know" Arabic and write books but are non-believers. Be careful of elitism.
"Allah guides whom he pleases."God bless
peace
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Believing or not believing has nothing to do with understanding a book.
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.09.gif
And Qur'aan is in Arabic, the language of the sons of soil of Arabian peninsula. One has to learn it for comprehending it to be aright guided.
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Billions speak English. How many are the authors of books in English? There lies the difference. Only those can become an author who know the language; not because they speak that language.
So only authors know the language of English? nope What about those who read what
the authors write? Does Quran say only those who know Arabic are guided
or is that what you say?
