Origin of Religions?
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(Mainstream) "Islam" is hardly a revival movement. Christianity minus the errors in conception concerning Jesus is already with people, but without the misconception Christianity actually represents the right concept very well.
Islam as practiced by the grand majority is rather a continuation of Paganism with a materialized deity, even if it happens to be only one.
That Quran seems to talk about rituals and rites is plain errors in interpretation. Someone just played with the words in ignorance to justify their ways.
Salaam
So what is your religion and how do you practice it? I'm curious! Thank you for all your messages throughout the forum!
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Peace sumbuddy.
The message from the Creator was the same throughout man s existence. There are no religions!
http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/simple-and-universal-message/
GOD bless you.
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Some of my ideas of the world religions,
Ancient people respected natural forces that helped them and consider those as gods or god's signs, they gave names to those forces. Indra the primary one, I believe this is a common name for God that shows the Goodness or happiness, so any difficulties or natural disasters, people seek him. They gave names to these characteristics and later identified as deivas(goodness givers) and asuras(difficulties), both are respected and given their values.
Astronomy since ages are used to calculate seasons and as symbols to record events/happenings of the past, the constellations were named and given symbols, they used these for their navigation patterns, agriculture and resting periods and for their every day survival, with time when new better ways to record events with dates and times were found their original usage got lost and myths stepped in associating those astronomical symbols and signs as gods and thus the hymns of Vedas which should be originally be talking about the importance of these different natural forces later became their idols/hymns of worship, these should have come from the people who follows a nomadic lifestyle, they relied a lot on sky and astro positions for their navigation.
The Hindu god is primarily Siva the transformer or often called one who is a destroyer. Since nothing can be permanent in this world and often take a cyclic processes like life and death, day to night, seasons that repeat, Goodness and evil, action and reaction. Most other Hindu Gods are identified to be a form of Shiva since in every other God's signs there is this same character thats to be seen. So Shiva has Sons(other warning signs), Wife(energy forms) and different other forms all related the concept of transformation. Since without disturbances/transformations people cannot progress or attain any knowledge. People accepts these transformations to occur but wants these to be in their control.
I believe that the concept of prophets should have come from India's Sramanic traditions, which have this belief of Individuals progress with life, when they lead a sinless/middle path/ good life, and finally reaching attaining divinity. Different cultures found different means to achieve this, they consider their saints/munis/monks to have achieved this by their deeds in their previous lives and those were given the respect and considered those worthy to be followed upon. Monkhood or Ahimsic life style were thought to be essential for attaining salvation and Buddhas and Avatar like characters were thus born and lead a life of austerity to learn and tried to understand the plan/reason of existence and guide people with their words and actions.
So here there were two different ideas, one that say God is/are the entity that controls everything and the other that say men could attain his powers based on their karma/actions in the previous and present life and could escape the world of transformations to that of the heaven of eternity without any further life births. The two ideas intermixed and gave birth to numerous other religions like Bhakthi Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism including the Semitic religions with different rituals and rights to make our life simple and peaceful.
The Indian caste system also was a product of this belief with some sections consider themselves to be more blessed/nobler than others due to their availability of knowledge and tried to make others believe that karma is at work for the reasons of the other's misery in this life. Some other dangerous beliefs also took form because of this ideology of purity and nobility based on ones birth.In Islam, Prophet Mohammed preached the religion where God is one and takes the ultimate role in deciding ones life in earth and also the hereafter one's death and also came up with the message of throwing away unwanted superstitions, but still majority people stick to the easier way of idolizing their culture, language, names, myths without giving respect to the reasons for the prophet's behavior and words.
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Harmony Freedom stands,
I "practice" nothing except a concept of assimilation with (what is) God. I do like Jesus and I (try to) be in the Father and the Father in me just like he spoke of. To be good is the aim.
This is the message of Queen as well beneath all the distortion in interpretation.
Have faith
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Harmony Freedom stands,
I "practice" nothing except a concept of assimilation with (what is) God. I do like Jesus and I (try to) be in the Father and the Father in me just like he spoke of. To be good is the aim.
This is the message of Queen as well beneath all the distortion in interpretation.
Have faith
Peace Man of Faith
Are you Christian?
God bless you
peace
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Peace Hawk.
Of course there is brother. Some say life has no meaning altogether!
Do you want me to clarify " there are no religions"?
I mean GOD never sent a religion called Judaism or Christianity or Traditional Islam or Shinto Or....Whatever name you wish to add to the list?
GOD sent a message to mankind at different timesand places having one consistent theme
Repent, submit to GOD s system, serve/worship GOD Alone, no idol worship.To believe GOD and His messengers and follow HIS words/instructions/commands to redeem some humans back to HIS kingdom.
I am repeating something you already know brother for clarification to all readers.
GOD bless you.
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No I am not Christian. I am with faith. It is called Muslim in Arabic and I have also accepted the way it is so I am working on being a mumin as well.
Like you said yourself; there are no religions, and I say God cannot be worshiped, but you can jump on the train so to say, join the realm. The best way of serving God is by doing deeds fit for God and mind your lifestyle. The world is highly spiritual/abstract in its functionality and only exists concretely in our beastly perception. Calling upon God is calling upon your Foundation. And God knows what you need before you even open your mouth. Prayers are basically for your own reminder and to establish a linked state between you and your Sustainer, by being accepted by the Sustainer through your improved lifestyle and deeds.
EDIT The previous post says Queen but the smartphone changed Quran into Queen. It should have been Quran.
Have faith
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Peace Hawk.
Of course there is brother. Some say life has no meaning altogether!
Do you want me to clarify " there are no religions"?
I mean GOD never sent a religion called Judaism or Christianity or Traditional Islam or Shinto Or....Whatever name you wish to add to the list?
GOD sent a message to mankind at different timesand places having one consistent theme
Repent, submit to GOD s system, serve/worship GOD Alone, no idol worship.To believe GOD and His messengers and follow HIS words/instructions/commands to redeem some humans back to HIS kingdom.
I am repeating something you already know brother for clarification to all readers.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Haha, oh you're so similar to me, you like making provocative statements too! Then explaining them! Awesome!
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Peace Hawk.
Of course there is brother. Some say life has no meaning altogether!
Do you want me to clarify " there are no religions"?
I mean GOD never sent a religion called Judaism or Christianity or Traditional Islam or Shinto Or....Whatever name you wish to add to the list?
GOD sent a message to mankind at different timesand places having one consistent theme
Repent, submit to GOD s system, serve/worship GOD Alone, no idol worship.To believe GOD and His messengers and follow HIS words/instructions/commands to redeem some humans back to HIS kingdom.
I am repeating something you already know brother for clarification to all readers.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace good logic
There are religions as the word religion serves as a demarcation to highlight belief systems or the
point of view of those who practice what they believe to be the guidance. While I agree and
also believe there is only one guidance, one God, Allah has allowed us to choose our paths
back to him, and these paths are the religions that are used to identify each group by their
rites and beliefs. I know I am not telling you something new. How do you define systems of
worship if not as religions?5/48 And We have revealed to you, , the Book in truth, confirming that which
preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has
revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each
of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation
, but to test you in what He has given you; so race to
good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will inform you concerning that over
which you used to differ.No I am not Christian. and I say God cannot be worshiped
Thank you Man of Faith, you say God cannot be worshiped? so how do you define (Ibada) worship.
May God bless you both
peace
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Peace Hawk.
Yes, mostly I agree with what you are saying . Different "paths" exist and within those "paths" people loyal to GOD Alone also exist.
However there is only one acceptable religion to God. "True Islam" or total loyalty and submission to GOD Alone.
" Waman yabtaghi ghaira "True Islam" deenan falan yuqbala minhu"
However ,since I follow Qoran, I must adhere to GODs commands as per Qoran. i.e follow the best path that is pointed out for you by your Lord
I believe that is also your "path" brother.
Thank you and GOD bless you.
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Peace Hawk.
Yes, mostly I agree with what you are saying . Different "paths" exist and within those "paths" people loyal to GOD Alone also exist.
However there is only one acceptable religion to God. "True Islam" or total loyalty and submission to GOD Alone.
" Waman yabtaghi ghaira "True Islam" deenan falan yuqbala minhu"
However ,since I follow Qoran, I must adhere to GODs commands as per Qoran. i.e follow the best path that is pointed out for you by your Lord
I believe that is also your "path" brother.
Thank you and GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace good logic
I also firmly believe that the path decreed by Allah as per Quran Kareem is the best path,
and supersedes the other ways. There are many non-Muslims whose deeds in this life who
far excede my own in righteous, folks like Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa,
and Martin Luther King, Jr., neither of whom as far as I know where practicing Muslims.
So it seems that it is the adherence to one's own faith (path) that determines righteousness.
Therefore I conclude that we do indeed have religions (various paths) but the qualities of the
righteous are one as per Quran."Righteousness is not that you turn your faces to the east and the west . But righteous
is the one who believes in God, the Last Day, the Angels, the Scripture and the Prophets; who gives
his wealth in spite of love for it to kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the wayfarer, to those who ask and to
set slaves free. And (righteous are) those who pray, pay alms, honor their agreements, and are
patient in (times of) poverty, ailment and during conflict. Such are the people of truth. And they
are the God-Fearing." (Quran 2177)God bless you
peace
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Peace Hawk.
I called them different paths you are saying different religions .
Therefore I am in agreement that all the "true Muslims" regardless of their path/religion will be redeemed to the Lord.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
It does not mean worship. It means to be in servitude/serve.
Why does an Almighty God need worship anyway? To boost a huge ego?
You cannot flirt with God to improve your standing. You need to show the caliber of your character.
Salaam
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Peace, Man of Faith.
It does not mean worship. It means to be in servitude/serve.
Why does an Almighty God need worship anyway? To boost a huge ego?
You cannot flirt with God to improve your standing. You need to show the caliber of your character.
I actually agree with you concerning this. The Arabic word "Ibaada" means to serve, not to worship. To worship God is meaningless and, from my understanding, we are never instructed to 'worship' God in the Qur'aan. We are consistently told to acknowledge and serve (e.g. through obeying) Him. If God mandated that we worship Him, it would imply that He needs us to satisfy His ego, which completely negates the idea of Him being "supreme".
If we want to please God, we need to follow His guidance and instruction. No "religion" is required.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace, Man of Faith.
I actually agree with you concerning this. The Arabic word "Ibaada" means to serve, not to worship. To worship God is meaningless and, from my understanding, we are never instructed to 'worship' God in the Qur'aan. We are consistently told to acknowledge and serve (e.g. through obeying) Him. If God mandated that we worship Him, it would imply that He needs us to satisfy His ego, which completely negates the idea of Him being "supreme".
If we want to please God, we need to follow His guidance and instruction. No "religion" is required.
Peace,
Ahmad
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It does not mean worship. It means to be in servitude/serve.
Why does an Almighty God need worship anyway? To boost a huge ego?
You cannot flirt with God to improve your standing. You need to show the caliber of your character.
Salaam
Peace
Why does God need servitude/serve. To boost a huge ego?
Peace Hawk.
I called them different paths you are saying different religions .
Therefore I am in agreement that all the "true Muslims" regardless of their path/religion will be redeemed to the Lord.
GOD bless you.
Peace.We are in agreement
If we want to please God, we need to follow His guidance and instruction. No "religion" is required.
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace Ahmad Bilal
No religion? Please read post #12 and #14 and comment.
God bless
peace
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It does not mean worship. It means to be in servitude/serve.
Why does an Almighty God need worship anyway? To boost a huge ego?
You cannot flirt with God to improve your standing. You need to show the caliber of your character.
Salaam
Valid point..
From my point of view the true God loves humility and is very humble..
He maintains his 'obscurity'.. and he always choose people with common humble background as His agent..
Carpenter, renegade, orphan, outcast and slaves..However to further understand why some people think that God needs to be worshiped.
Some Middle Easterners or should I say Westerners views God as human.
Thus they have a strong ancient belief that gods + goddesses decision can be 'influenced' by praises or words (mantra)
Just like how human king will be easily influenced by the praises of his servant.It is consistent with how they view the deed of "praying".
To them.... praying is an act of "Asking for something".. all the mantra and words are said to "persuade" the deity to grant them their wishes.(Pure) Buddhist for example didn't view God as human...
Within their mindset.. they don't have any act which is equivalent to "praying"
Their act of "meditation" is performed with self-centered goal of gaining "ultimate peace within"..
They are not trying to "alter their surrounding reality to fit their wishes" (asking for car, home, wealth, spouse, money, power, career, win something etc..) . but they're trying to "alter themselves to fit the surrounding reality".. -
Why does God need servitude/serve. To boost a huge ego?
He doesn't asked for servitude.. as everything are already His servant..
They all act in accordance to God's wishes..Now it all goes back to you...
What's your attitude about it?
Will you be His servant of 'light'? or His servant of 'darkness'? (In Jedi Lingo) -
It does not mean worship. It means to be in servitude/serve.
Why does an Almighty God need worship anyway? To boost a huge ego?
You cannot flirt with God to improve your standing. You need to show the caliber of your character.
Salaam
Worship is not for God, but for our own self, it is a reminder of our state of surrender, they are gestures which were practiced around the world for this reason and depict and enact the surrender. Worship is very empowering though, and freeing. One can not really show the caliber of their character except if God wills it, and this understanding is part of the surrender, that everything we do or think or can do is from Allah, the good and the bad is from Allah, the happiness, the sadness, the evilness, the goodness, our character, our mistakes, whatever is ultimately from Allah only, and we are in a state of surrender willingly or unwillingly to the Ultimate and only power that is behind all information, animating everything, that can transform anything. We worship for ourselves, not for God, we worship to enact the surrender. It is a good practice I think, it is a meditative exercise, but if you find that you are opposed to it, then even that is Allah's will, some people Allah does not let or make worship, others Allah does, some might not even have good ideas about it, others may understand a good reason for doing it and reap benefit from it.