Christians will be punished and are wicked???...
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Also, your accusations of me comforting myself are tiresome and if anything enraging. Quite frankly if it boils down to it, if someone wants to worship 40,000,000 gods then knock yourself out. I know what I am and I have no fear when it comes to my current understanding of the reading. It is but a guide, nothing more. My views are quite closely related to how jafar puts quite a few things, I saw his views were very similar to mine a few years ago. He wrote something about shirk which I 100% agree with. But if you are blind, you will condemn to hell even the most innocent of people who are ignorant. An ignorant person by your understanding is thrown into hell by the creator (correct me if I'm wrong) as God can do whatever it wants to do. So say someone who has been suppressed in a country (I dunno... Let's say north Korea) who has been taught a strict set of rules and is forced to worship multiple deities but tries to remain humble, compassionate and humane to the people around them will also be thrown into anguish by your comments - I could be wrong and do not wish to put words in people's mouths as you seem to be doing for me.
A leaf out of jafars book...
"Shirk got nothing to do with "worshiping > 1 gods".... and/or monotheism...
Shirk is a bad traits which is a combination of lies, deceit, injustice, oppressive, hatred and greed..
Even the Devil is a monotheist...The whole objective of the Quran is NOT to do "Gods consolidation".. from N into 1...
Many people here has also said the same thing.. the true God... is not a narcissistic 'being' who wanted to be worshiped. The true God loves justice, compassion, mercy, honesty more than He loves to be worshiped.
The whole objective of the Quran is to shed light / revelation to the society deeply embedded in darkness, myths, religion and mysticism...
The whole objective of the Quran is to expose the frauds, the corrupts, the priests, the scam artists and their fake dogma who has taken away so many of hard earned money from regular peasantry.
The whole objective of the Quran is to transform the society from the darkness of ignorance into the light of knowledge.The kufr are not the 'disbeliever' and/or polytheists.. the kufr are those frauds, scam artists, mafias who tried everything in their power to stop the truth being spread out, as they've gained $$$, power and influence over the lies being spread out in the society.. The Kufr has forgotten about their commandment with their own creator thus they have 'shirk-ing' from it..
The Kufr (Kaffirin) and those whose Shirk (Mushrikin) CAN be a monotheist too..!
Salam / Peace"
If you are going to criticize me continuously and mock mine and other people's understanding purely because of their curiosity of the Qur'an, then don't even comment on my thread. If you're not prepared to be open minded as I am trying to be by actually asking for evidences that you provide then don't bother. From what I've seen from your other posts, your quotes from the Qur'an itself has been using poor translations at best. I think you need to research on certain understandings before criticizing others... But then you found the Qur'an 100% easy to understand of course....
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Show me verses where ignorant people (and only ignorant people) are directly said to be thrown in hell as you out it...
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And when it is said unto them believe as the people believe, they say shall we believe as the foolish believe? are not they indeed the foolish? But they know not.
But God mocks them (makes a joke out of them) and allows them to sink deeper into evil and wander perplexed in their wickedness.
They are the ones who purchase error for the price of (in exchange for) guidance, so their trade did not profit them, nor were they guided.
Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindleth fire, and when it sheddeth its light around him Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see,
Deaf, dumb, blind - and they cannot turn back.
Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder and the flash of lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears by reason of the thunder-claps, for fear of death, Allah encompasseth the disbelievers
The lightning almost snatcheth away their sight from them. As often as it flasheth forth for them they walk therein, and when it darkeneth against them they stand still. If Allah willed, He could destroy their hearing and their sight. Lo! Allah has power over all things.2755
Must you really approach men with lust instead of women? Nay, but you are people without any awareness6111
And even if We had sent down to them the angels and the dead had spoken to them and We had brought together all things before them, they would not believe unless Allah pleases, but most of them are ignorant (unaware).
In like manner We have sent for every prophet an opponent, Satans from among men and jinn, who make evil suggestions to each other by means of specious words in order to deceive had it been your Lords will, they would not have done so; so leave them alone to their fabrication,
That the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter may incline thereto, and that they may take pleasure therein, and that they may earn what they are earning.
Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers.6116
Now if thou pay heed unto the majority of those on earth, they will but lead thee astray from the path of God they follow but conjectures, and they themselves do nothing but guess.635
And if their aversion is grievous unto thee, then, if thou canst, seek a way down into the earth or a ladder unto the sky that thou mayst bring unto them a portent (to convince them all)! - If Allah willed, He could have brought them all together to the guidance - So be not thou among the foolish ones.6100
Yet they make the Jinns equals with God, though God did create the Jinns; and they falsely, in ignorance (having no knowledge), attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!6102
That is Allah, your Lord, there is no god but He; the Creator of (absolutely) everything, therefore serve Him, and He has charge of all things.
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.
Proofs have come unto you from your Lord, so whoso seeth, it is for his own good, and whoso is blind is blind to his own hurt. And I am not a keeper over you.
Thus do We display Our revelations that they may say (unto thee, Muhammad) "Thou hast studied," and that We may make (it) clear for people who have knowledge.
Follow that which is inspired in thee from thy Lord; there is no Allah save Him; and turn away from the idolaters.
Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them.
Revile not those unto whom they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah in ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do.
And they swear a solemn oath by Allah that if there come unto them a portent they will believe therein. Say; Portents are with Allah and (so is) that which telleth you that if such came unto them they would not believe.
We would make their hearts and their eyes turn away, just as the first time they disbelieved, and leave them to flounder in their obstinacy.
And though We should send down the angels unto them, and the dead should speak unto them, and We should gather against them all things in array, they would not believe unless Allah so willed. Most of them are ignorant.5211
Then woe that day unto the deniers
That play (and paddle) in shallow trifles. (19 19! God sits back and lets a Simulation run on its own power! Justice controls God! etc)
The day on which they shall be driven away to the fire of hell with violence.
"This is the Fire which you have been denying.
Was it, then, a delusion or is it that you fail to see?
Roast you in it! Then, have patience, or you endure patiently not, it is all the same to you. You will be only given recompense for what you had been doing (for what they "are", were "made" as)6128
In the day when He will gather them together (He will say) O ye assembly of the jinn! Many of humankind did ye seduce. And their adherents among humankind will say Our Lord! We enjoyed one another, but now we have arrived at the appointed term which Thou appointedst for us. He will say Fire is your home. Abide therein for ever, save him whom Allah willeth. Lo! thy Lord is Wise, Aware.
And in this manner do We cause evildoers to seduce one another by means of their (evil] doings.
O ye assembly of the jinn and humankind! Came there not unto you messengers of your own who recounted unto you My tokens and warned you of the meeting of this your Day? They will say We testify against ourselves. And the life of the world beguiled them. And they testify against themselves that they were disbelievers.
your Lord would not destroy towns for their wrongdoing if they had not been warned.
For all there will be ranks from what they did. Thy Lord is not unaware of what they do.
Thy Lord is The Sufficient, Possessor of Mercy. If He wills, He will cause you to be put away and will make a successor after you of whomever He wills, just as He caused you to grow from offspring of other folk.
Lo! that which ye are promised will surely come to pass, and ye cannot escape.
They assign unto Allah, of the crops and cattle which He created, a portion, and they say "This is Allah's" - in their make-believe - "and this is for (His) partners in regard to us." Thus that which (they assign) unto His partners in them reacheth not Allah and that which (they assign) unto Allah goeth to their (so-called) partners. Evil is their ordinance.
And, likewise, their belief in beings or powers that are supposed to have a share in God's divinity makes the slaying of their children seem goodly to many of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God, thus bringing them to ruin and confusing them in their faith. Yet, unless God had so willed, they would not be doing all this stand, therefore, aloof from them and all their false imagery!
And they say Such cattle and crops are forbidden. No-one is to eat of them save whom we will - in their make-believe - cattle whose backs are forbidden, cattle over which they mention not the name of Allah. (All that is) a lie against Him. He will repay them for that which they invent.
And they say That which is in the bellies of such cattle is reserved for our males and is forbidden to our wives; but if it be born dead, then they (all) may be partakers thereof. He will reward them for their attribution (of such ordinances unto Him). Lo, He is Wise, Aware.
Those who have stupidly killed their own children without having any knowledge (ignorant) and forbidden something God has provided them with, have lost out through inventing things about God; they have gone astray and not accepted guidance.3212
If only thou couldst see when the guilty ones will bend low their heads before their Lord, (saying "Our Lord! We have seen and we have heard Now then send us back (to the world) we will work righteousness for we do indeed (now) believe."
If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together."
So taste, because you neglected the meeting of this day of yours; surely We forsake you; and taste the abiding chastisement for what you used to do (and are).
The only people who believe in Our revelations are those whom when they are reminded by them, they fall prostrating, and they glorify the praise of their Lord, and they are not arrogant.Prostrate, if this isn't enough for you, I will produce more.
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Sorry if you're angry, but I think its good to feel the rage! I didn't mean to insult you personally, I'm talking about anyone who comforts themselves with having "no fear".
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I don't have no fear... That's a fact lol... Not when it comes to actually dying anyway.
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with those verses.
If the creator willed, people would all be one nation, but that's not the case because People will reject, and people will want greed and power, that is how it is. God could have willed there to be no darkness, but there is darkness so that we can distinguish light and dark... What's your point? I am ralready aware that if God willed, we would all be happy and all in heaven enjoying eternal bliss. Can you not see that God is saying people will ultimately reject because some people thrive on rejecting knowing that it is wrong??? All we are told about the ignorant is that they will return to God and God will make aware what they have done/said. The evildoers or wicked are described as ones who reject and aggress and are bent on the truth, that if they had all the signs in the world they will still reject. God has placed a cover over their hearts and made them deaf blind and dumb, the rejectors are happy to be in denial and are narrow minded and do not wish to open up with their own views. they also wish to cause corruption in the land, fabricating and causing upset... This goes further than ignorance... I can clearly see that someone who is ignorant and someone who causes corruption in the land and being SLY and knowing the truth but hiding and covering it in their hearts is far worse... Many verses prove this!
And it's cool, I will only become enraged if I feel someone is having a dig at me. Though I bring peace, I only attack in self defense so you're safe for the time being elektro
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Say Is there any of your associates who guides to the truth? Say Allah guides to the truth. Is He then Who guides to the truth more worthy to be followed, or he who himself does not go aright unless he is guided? What then is the matter with you; how do you judge?Most of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means take the place of truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.
And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
Nay, but they denied that, the knowledge whereof they could not compass, and whereof the interpretation (in events) hath not yet come unto them. Even so did those before them deny. Then see what was the consequence for the wrong-doers!
Some of them believe in it while others do not believe in it. Your Lord is quite Aware as to who are corrupt.
And if they call you a liar, say My work is for me and your work for you; you are clear of what I do and I am clear of what you do.
And of them are some who listen unto thee. But canst thou make the deaf to hear even though they apprehend not?
And of them is he who looketh toward thee. But canst thou guide the blind even though they see not?
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God does not make mistakes, people make mistakes.
And on the day when He will gather them as though they had not stayed but an hour of the day, they will know each other. They will perish indeed who called the meeting with Allah to be a lie, and they are not followers of the right direction.
Whether We let thee (O Muhammad) behold something of that which We promise them or (whether We) cause thee to die, still unto Us is their return, and Allah, moreover, is Witness over what they do.
Every nation has a messenger. Once their messenger has come, judgement will be passed upon them in all fairness and there will be no mistake
They say "When will this promise come to pass,- if ye speak the truth?"
Say "I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as Allah willeth. To every people is a term appointed when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)."
Say "Have you ever considered if His chastisement were to befall you by night or by day? What could there be in that prospect that people lost in sin should wish to hasten?
Will you believe in it only after it has overtaken you, although it was your wish to hurry it on?
Then the evil-doers will be told, Taste the everlasting punishment. Have you not been rewarded according to your deeds (what you were, and what you are)?
And they ask thee to inform them (saying) Is it true? Say Yea, by my Lord, verily it is true, and ye cannot escape.
And if every individual that has done wrong had all that is in the earth, it would offer it for ransom, and they will manifest regret when they see the chastisement and the matter shall be decided between them rightly and there is no mistake
Lo! verily all that is in the heavens and the earth is Allah's. Lo! verily Allah's promise is true. But most of them know not.
It is He Who giveth life and who taketh it, and to Him shall ye all be brought back.
O MANKIND! There has now come unto you an admonition from your Sustainer, and a cure for all that may be in men's hearts, and guidance and grace unto all who believe .
Say "In bounty of God and in His grace-in this, then, let them rejoice it is better than all that they may amass!"
Say "Have you ever considered all the means of sustenance which God has bestowed upon you from on high -and which you thereupon divide into 'things forbidden' and 'things lawful? Say "Has God given you leave -or do you, perchance, attribute your own guesswork to God?"
But what do they think-they who attribute their own lying inventions to God-. on the Day of Resurrection? Behold, God is indeed limitless in His bounty unto men -but most of them are ungrateful.
AND IN whatever condition thou mayest find thyself, and whatever discourse of this thou mayest be reciting, and whatever work you may do - We are your witness when you enter upon it for, not even an atom's weight on earth or in heaven escapes thy Sustainer's knowledge; and neither is there anything smaller than that, or larger, but is recorded in clear decree.
No doubt with the faithful friends of God there will be neither fear in them nor will they feel remorse.
They who believed and have been fearing God;
Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.
And be not grieved by the sayings of those . Behold, all might and glory belong to God alone He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing.
Lo! is it not unto Allah that belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth? Those who follow aught instead of Allah follow not (His) partners. They follow only a conjecture, and they do but guess.
He it is Who hath appointed for you the night that ye should rest therein and the day giving sight. Lo! herein verily are portents for a folk that heed.
They say Allah hath taken (unto Him) a son - Glorified be He! He hath no needs! His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. Ye have no warrant for this. Tell ye concerning Allah that which ye know not?
Say Verily those who invent a lie concerning Allah will not succeed.
This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto Us is their return. Then We make them taste a dreadful doom because they used to disbelieve. -
If anyone "knew the truth" they would not make corruption, because the truth is so horrifying. They certainly do not know. I showed the verses even that say they don't know, they guess, and showed you that Allah is controlling what they do and what they know and experience, just as he is you or me, and Allah does not make mistakes, he creates some for the fire, some for the paradise, just like Allah did not make a mistake creating the fish for the sea.
Not a single one "knows". The reason they are "blind" is because they aren't allowed to "see", the reason they are deaf is because they aren't allowed to hear, and the reason they are "without understanding" is because Allah does not give them understanding. That is clear, and the home of the ignorant ones is hell.
I tried to show you repeatedly, I can produce even more if you want because it is repeatedly in the Qur'an that they do not know, they do it out of ignorance, Allah has made them that way.
Are you even reading the full verses? I'm only bolding some parts, but read the whole thing please.
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Say Is there any of your associates who guides to the truth? Say Allah guides to the truth. Is He then Who guides to the truth more worthy to be followed, or he who himself does not go aright unless he is guided? What then is the matter with you; how do you judge?Most of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means take the place of truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.
And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
Nay, but they denied that, the knowledge whereof they could not compass, and whereof the interpretation (in events) hath not yet come unto them. Even so did those before them deny. Then see what was the consequence for the wrong-doers!
Some of them believe in it while others do not believe in it. Your Lord is quite Aware as to who are corrupt.
And if they call you a liar, say My work is for me and your work for you; you are clear of what I do and I am clear of what you do.
And of them are some who listen unto thee. But canst thou make the deaf to hear even though they apprehend not?
And of them is he who looketh toward thee. But canst thou guide the blind even though they see not?
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God does not make mistakes, people make mistakes.
And on the day when He will gather them as though they had not stayed but an hour of the day, they will know each other. They will perish indeed who called the meeting with Allah to be a lie, and they are not followers of the right direction.
Whether We let thee (O Muhammad) behold something of that which We promise them or (whether We) cause thee to die, still unto Us is their return, and Allah, moreover, is Witness over what they do.
Every nation has a messenger. Once their messenger has come, judgement will be passed upon them in all fairness and there will be no mistake
They say "When will this promise come to pass,- if ye speak the truth?"
Say "I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as Allah willeth. To every people is a term appointed when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)."
Say "Have you ever considered if His chastisement were to befall you by night or by day? What could there be in that prospect that people lost in sin should wish to hasten?
Will you believe in it only after it has overtaken you, although it was your wish to hurry it on?
Then the evil-doers will be told, Taste the everlasting punishment. Have you not been rewarded according to your deeds (what you were, and what you are)?
And they ask thee to inform them (saying) Is it true? Say Yea, by my Lord, verily it is true, and ye cannot escape.
And if every individual that has done wrong had all that is in the earth, it would offer it for ransom, and they will manifest regret when they see the chastisement and the matter shall be decided between them rightly and there is no mistake
Lo! verily all that is in the heavens and the earth is Allah's. Lo! verily Allah's promise is true. But most of them know not.
It is He Who giveth life and who taketh it, and to Him shall ye all be brought back.
O MANKIND! There has now come unto you an admonition from your Sustainer, and a cure for all that may be in men's hearts, and guidance and grace unto all who believe .
Say "In bounty of God and in His grace-in this, then, let them rejoice it is better than all that they may amass!"
Say "Have you ever considered all the means of sustenance which God has bestowed upon you from on high -and which you thereupon divide into 'things forbidden' and 'things lawful? Say "Has God given you leave -or do you, perchance, attribute your own guesswork to God?"
But what do they think-they who attribute their own lying inventions to God-. on the Day of Resurrection? Behold, God is indeed limitless in His bounty unto men -but most of them are ungrateful.
AND IN whatever condition thou mayest find thyself, and whatever discourse of this thou mayest be reciting, and whatever work you may do - We are your witness when you enter upon it for, not even an atom's weight on earth or in heaven escapes thy Sustainer's knowledge; and neither is there anything smaller than that, or larger, but is recorded in clear decree.
No doubt with the faithful friends of God there will be neither fear in them nor will they feel remorse.
They who believed and have been fearing God;
Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.
And be not grieved by the sayings of those . Behold, all might and glory belong to God alone He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing.
Lo! is it not unto Allah that belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth? Those who follow aught instead of Allah follow not (His) partners. They follow only a conjecture, and they do but guess.
He it is Who hath appointed for you the night that ye should rest therein and the day giving sight. Lo! herein verily are portents for a folk that heed.
They say Allah hath taken (unto Him) a son - Glorified be He! He hath no needs! His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. Ye have no warrant for this. Tell ye concerning Allah that which ye know not?
Say Verily those who invent a lie concerning Allah will not succeed.
This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto Us is their return. Then We make them taste a dreadful doom because they used to disbelieve.Again, what is the point you are trying to make. Yes I fear God in a sense. But we are told to fear God so we do not transgress or fall into the dark side. Not to sound arrogant but I don't fear God in the sense that I'll get struck by lightening or something like that as I thrive on being compassionate humble loving attentive and charitable continuously. So I don't fear my creator in many ways. I am fully aware that my creator can destroy me at will, or cause me to perish at will. I do indeed fear that my creator can terminate the lives of my parents... But again, I don't fear that because death is inevitable. Should one fear knowing that they have tried to be as good as possible and correct themselves if they have done a few mistakes in life? I have my own personal bond with my creator who knows what's in my heart, that it is open for all to see that I have no ulterior motives or sly or spiteful side to me. That I submit myself as much as possible. I love my creator and I bond with it everyday to keep me guided and on a straight path. To bestow peace protection harmony tranquillity and wisdom and bestow sustenance to the people who need it the most. I will fear my creator when I know I have done a bad thing and my ego causes me to continue it which, thank God, I have no done to this day. I have my morals and principles set in place and my creator knows my heart. What should I fear if my creator knows my heart? Should I fear that it knows my heart? I am not guilty of severe wrongdoings... So no... I trust my creator whole heartedly and I believe that regardless what I agree or disagree on with interpretations of books, that my creator is the best judge and will ALWAYS judge in fairness and equality. Justice will be served, I have no fear about that.
Peace
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Don't throw everyone into one basket "jinn dude", as I'm sure others will not be agreeing with you.
haha, just to make sure you understood my comments about the "jinn" thing.
The Qur'an says that the jinn are made out of fire while the humankind is made out of clay, the jinn are made before the humankind, the jinn are worshiped by people sometimes and associated with Allah as partners and sons and daughters, and the jinn can be Muslims or disbelievers. Allah has created some humans and jinn for disbelief and going to hell, and some for belief and paradise is for those who are Muslims.
Man of Faith says that the term jinn means faithless, even though it says there are Muslims among them and they believe in Allah, so I was saying that I am someone who has no faith, none whatsoever, if faith is to mean "blind faith", so that by his definition, I might be a "jinn".
I'm happy to be called "jinn" or "jinn dude" though, so that can be a nickname for me if you want haha.
I'm happy to be called a Shaitan, A Mad Man, A Liar, and whatever people might say, such were the epithets given to the Believers throughout the ages.
I am a Satan (meaning Enemy) to the disbelievers and miscreants who lie, the ones who make partners with Allah. Do you understand that the ancient "gods" were literally just words referring to natural things and concepts? "Justice" "Promise" "Faith" "Honor" "War" "Love" these are the things people used to associate and say Allah was bound to or partnered with and must abide by and must work with, that Allah is bound to love, Justice, etc, no Allah is not bound to anything, he creates whatever and all these concepts and controls them and controls everything, Allah is the authority, not Justice, these are the names of the "partners" literally, the "Gods" if you look up the meaning of their "names" are just words and connected to concepts.
I am a mad man, because I know that Allah creates my reality, none of this is stable or reliable or lasting if Allah wills to change it, in an instant it can be changed without any delay or process, its just information being fed to me, and whatever delusions are fed to me, and are fed to you, and even the actions we take and their results are all the creation of Allah, just information.
I am a Liar, because there is only one Eternal Truth, I myself am a transitory lie, I am not eternal, but I am only what Allah makes true, and then can make false. I am such and such, then I am such and such. The wood turned into a snake and the snake turned into the wood, which then is the truth regarding it? Is it a snake, or is it wood? Know then that Allah makes what is true, and Allah can change it, and Allah can turn truth into falsehood, falsehood into truth, and Allah has power over all things completely! Do you think you are a partner with Allah or the disbelievers are partners with Allah, that Allah rolls out the carpet under them like a servant where they "will" to go? No, where they "will" to go, is where Allah wills them to go, what they see, is what Allah makes them see, what they hear is what Allah makes them hear, and what they do is what they are made to do and be.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. SubhanAllah!
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If anyone "knew the truth" they would not make corruption, because the truth is so horrifying. They certainly do not know. I showed the verses even that say they don't know, they guess, and showed you that Allah is controlling what they do and what they know and experience, just as he is you or me, and Allah does not make mistakes, he creates some for the fire, some for the paradise, just like Allah did not make a mistake creating the fish for the sea.
Not a single one "knows". The reason they are "blind" is because they aren't allowed to "see", the reason they are deaf is because they aren't allowed to hear, and the reason they are "without understanding" is because Allah does not give them understanding. That is clear, and the home of the ignorant ones is hell.
I tried to show you repeatedly, I can produce even more if you want because it is repeatedly in the Qur'an that they do not know, they do it out of ignorance, Allah has made them that way.
Are you even reading the full verses? I'm only bolding some parts, but read the whole thing please.
Of course I'm reading the full verses. I've read the Qur'an many times. I have not read the verses in such a way I.e. the translations. It gives me a headache tbh... You ever tried using quranix.org for your translations??????
So you are saying ALL ignorant people go hell. You also say that Allah controls us. So we have no freedom of choice in that case. I agree we may not have free will as such but then we don't have free choice according to your logic, because God has already determined they will not see the truth. What do you understand by this?
Let me test you.
I gave you a scenario about someone in North Korea. I don't want to repeat myself as I have to wake up for work in 3 hours. I'm sure you can read the scenario. Please, tell me what you think of it? I'm curious!
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haha, just to make sure you understood my comments about the "jinn" thing.
The Qur'an says that the jinn are made out of fire while the humankind is made out of clay, the jinn are made before the humankind, the jinn are worshiped by people sometimes and associated with Allah as partners and sons and daughters, and the jinn can be Muslims or disbelievers. Allah has created some humans and jinn for disbelief and going to hell, and some for belief and paradise is for those who are Muslims.
Man of Faith says that the term jinn means faithless, even though it says there are Muslims among them and they believe in Allah, so I was saying that I am someone who has no faith, none whatsoever, if faith is to mean "blind faith", so that by his definition, I might be a "jinn".
I'm happy to be called "jinn" or "jinn dude" though, so that can be a nickname for me if you want haha.
I'm happy to be called a Shaitan, A Mad Man, A Liar, and whatever people might say, such were the epithets given to the Believers throughout the ages.
I am a Satan (meaning Enemy) to the disbelievers and miscreants who lie, the ones who make partners with Allah. Do you understand that the ancient "gods" were literally just words referring to natural things and concepts? "Justice" "Promise" "Faith" "Honor" "War" "Love" these are the things people used to associate and say Allah was bound to or partnered with and must abide by and must work with, that Allah is bound to love, Justice, etc, no Allah is not bound to anything, he creates whatever and all these concepts and controls them and controls everything, Allah is the authority, not Justice, these are the names of the "partners" literally, the "Gods" if you look up the meaning of their "names" are just words and connected to concepts.
I am a mad man, because I know that Allah creates my reality, none of this is stable or reliable or lasting if Allah wills to change it, in an instant it can be changed without any delay or process, its just information being fed to me, and whatever delusions are fed to me, and are fed to you, and even the actions we take and their results are all the creation of Allah, just information.
I am a Liar, because there is only one Eternal Truth, I myself am a transitory lie, I am not eternal, but I am only what Allah makes true, and then can make false. I am such and such, then I am such and such. The wood turned into a snake and the snake turned into the wood, which then is the truth regarding it? Is it a snake, or is it wood? Know then that Allah makes what is true, and Allah can change it, and Allah can turn truth into falsehood, falsehood into truth, and Allah has power over all things completely! Do you think you are a partner with Allah or the disbelievers are partners with Allah, that Allah rolls out the carpet under them like a servant where they "will" to go? No, where they "will" to go, is where Allah wills them to go, what they see, is what Allah makes them see, what they hear is what Allah makes them hear, and what they do is what they are made to do and be.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. SubhanAllah!
Jinn dude no-one is trying to partner with God you plank! How are you seeing that???!!! Anyway... Per my understanding God CAN do anything but doesn't wish to go changing laws... There is only truth... That doesn't change. How gravity remains almost the same for X amount of years... God can change laws but chooses not to. Gosh, if that was the case we would think that virgin births were possible ey?? P.
My point is... Ignorant people are those who have no knowledge... Now, how is it possible to condemn someone who hasn't been given knowledge? Condemn those who reject knowledge, sure, I agree! But that's like saying a baby that says "God is the sun!!!" Out of ignorance will be sent to hell. It may well be sent to hell, but if I use my logic, it hasn't been able to acquire the necessary knowledge to judge correctly if that statement is true or not.
Do you agree the baby SHOULD go hell? Forget what God can and can't do - we have established God can do anything, we know that. No one is saying otherwise. Try not to miss my point. I'm trying not to miss yours but I will try and understand you. It gets difficult to type on a phone at 3 in the morning....
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If you are confident that you couldn't possibly be harmed, then you are deceived by Allah, because Allah certainly could strike you with lightning, or a sudden stroke, or any number of things, no matter how righteous he has made you to be in life, don't you know Allah? Allah is the terror of the Universe, All realities shudder before the mighty one. You do not fear, because Allah has not given you the fear, and you will never fear Allah, save if Allah gives you the fear, and the fear of Allah, is a gift, because Fearing Allah is Knowing Allah, Allah is the Dark Side, there is no duality, there is no polarity, there is necessary balance. I am fallen completely to the darkness, I prostrate to the controller of all harm and all benefit, all pleasure and all pain, who dispenses whatever information and experience to whoever Allah wills. Do you really think you command Allah? Do you think you can bribe Allah? You are whatever Allah makes you to be, behind you is nothing at all, you have no immortality, no power to do anything, no command, no authority even over yourself or what you may do truly, its only the ignorant who think that. I am in this with you, we're both fools before Allah, we're both empty, we're both slaves. What Allah tells you, even if it is deception, you will believe it, and same as what Allah tells me, we are all doomed already, doom means judgment and decision, Allah decides, you do not decide.
So do you take your concept of God, to be that you can roam wherever you decide, that Allah is not making that decision, and Allah is your servant so then rolls out reality before you, and works under you supporting you and upholding you wherever you are deciding to go? Or are you like Man of Faith, who implies something "runs on its own" and that there is apart from Allah a simulation which Allah is not controlling?
My speeches are to purify your religion, to make you a devil like me, to make you appreciate the darkness, so that you come to worship the Power of Evil in the world, the same that is the Power of Good, and the Only Power, Allah The Mighty The Destroyer of Worlds, The Creator of Everything Everywhere Anytime Any Moment Any Thought Any Action and All things.
Allow me to blasphemy a little more
Who created the concept of "baby rape", did you create it? Did Shaitan? No, nothing can they create. Allah created this thing, and every part of it. Who controls the evil that happens? Allah alone. Who controls death? Can you change the time of death? Then who is it who decided the baby should be buried alive and die the precise moment that they do! ALLAH ALONE.
Do you think some things slip out of Allah's grasp? You are fettered to the will of Allah, you do whatever he commands you, you are whatever he wills you to be, if he makes you a baby rapist, nothing can stop you from raping the precise babies that are allotted to you to be raped.
How blasphemous? No! It is not blasphemy, I am giving you dark examples so you understand that Allah is the power, Allah alone is the power.
Allah has made the habitation of those who he creates to be a certain way to be hell. Allah does not make mistakes, Allah does exactly as Allah wills, he does not abide by Justice, Justice is the slave of Allah that Allah can change in an instant, Allah can make it the law and the truth that to kill a baby and rape its corpse is a good deed, and that the worship of Allah is a grave sin. Do you not see the terrible power of Allah? You must fear Allah with everything in your being, but you can not, save if Allah wills
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But you cannot will it unless God wills for, behold, God is indeed all-seeing, wise.8129
But you cannot will it unless God, the Sustainer of all the worlds, wills it.2856
You do not guide someone you love, but God guides anyone He wishes. He is quite Aware as to who are guided.4249
God?s alone is the dominion over the heavens and the earth. He creates whatever He wills He bestows the gift of female offspring on whomever He wills, and the gift of male offspring on whomever He wills;6125
And whomsoever God wills to guide, his bosom He opens wide with willingness towards self-surrender ; and whomsoever He wills to err, his bosom He causes to be tight and constricted, as if he were climbing unto the skies it is thus that God inflicts horror upon those who will not believe.639
And they who reject Our communications are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness; whom Allah wills He causes to err and whom He wills He puts on the right way.7179
And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand (IGNORANT), and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones. -
Of course I'm reading the full verses. I've read the Qur'an many times. I have not read the verses in such a way I.e. the translations. It gives me a headache tbh... You ever tried using quranix.org for your translations??????
So you are saying ALL ignorant people go hell. You also say that Allah controls us. So we have no freedom of choice in that case. I agree we may not have free will as such but then we don't have free choice according to your logic, because God has already determined they will not see the truth. What do you understand by this?
Let me test you.
I gave you a scenario about someone in North Korea. I don't want to repeat myself as I have to wake up for work in 3 hours. I'm sure you can read the scenario. Please, tell me what you think of it? I'm curious!
Good! Ask me things! Please! You do a good service by doing such, and giving me an opportunity to make a fool of myself! I invite you!
The answer to your query, beautiful one (cute one, lol I love pikachu), is simple! Allah may throw the North Korean into the fire, Allah may not throw the North Korean into the fire. Allah may make the North Korean reject falsehood and know the Truth. Allah may make the North Korean blinded and saying lies about Allah. Allah may make the North Korean who believes in Allah only and rejects falsehood and know the Truth burn in hell forever. Allah may make the North Korean blinded and saying lies about Allah receive the Paradise. Allah is capable of all things, Allah has power over all things, Allah does not make mistakes, but Allah creates exactly what Allah wants to create, and every step they are led by Allah to be whatever they are and will be and will do.
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And those who deny Our revelations - step by step We lead them on from whence they know not (IGNORANCE).3178
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Jinn dude no-one is trying to partner with God you plank! How are you seeing that???!!! Anyway... Per my understanding God CAN do anything but doesn't wish to go changing laws... There is only truth... That doesn't change. How gravity remains almost the same for X amount of years... God can change laws but chooses not to. Gosh, if that was the case we would think that virgin births were possible ey?? P.
My point is... Ignorant people are those who have no knowledge... Now, how is it possible to condemn someone who hasn't been given knowledge? Condemn those who reject knowledge, sure, I agree! But that's like saying a baby that says "God is the sun!!!" Out of ignorance will be sent to hell. It may well be sent to hell, but if I use my logic, it hasn't been able to acquire the necessary knowledge to judge correctly if that statement is true or not.
Do you agree the baby SHOULD go hell? Forget what God can and can't do - we have established God can do anything, we know that. No one is saying otherwise. Try not to miss my point. I'm trying not to miss yours but I will try and understand you. It gets difficult to type on a phone at 3 in the morning....
How is it possible to condemn someone who has no knowledge? Why is the fish condemned to the sea? Why is the baby condemned with retardation? Why? Allah does whatever Allah wants to do, this is the whole point, our religion is this understanding, if you do not understand it, Allah it is who does not let anyone understand except whom Allah wills.
Lol you appear deceived by what you think is "truth", because it only exists in this moment, you have no access to anything except what Allah tells you and gives you. How gravity appears to work right now is only information you are being fed, Allah can change even your appearance of memories, so that the apple falls upwards to the sky and everyone on Earth and all your memories confirm that it is the way it has always been "certainly that is the truth!" they might say and "of course! You fools! Everyone knows the apple falls up to the sky, and these are the laws of gravity!" It is a TRAP its a TRICK, its NOT the ETERNAL TRUTH, its not the truth at all really as in "lasting", it is NOTHING BUT ILLUSION that Allah is feeding you, Allah invents whatever Allah wants to invent.
JUST A MOMENT AGO, JUST A MOMENT AGO you could have been in another world entirely, with different memories, with different certainties and different truths, you only have access to this moment, you only have access to the things you are made to see, even your memories are existing right now, given to you by Allah, its just information, you yourself are just information, you can be changed and there is no certainty or guarantee that gravity was different just a moment ago, and all your memories confirmed it.
This is why I am mad! Insane! Delusional! Go for it! I encourage you! Yes! The madness is from Allah! All this is madness! You will live by the words of God, you will not utter save what God makes you utter, God sends the delusion upon people, God is the Deluder, the Deceiver, the Diseaser, the source of All Delusion, Deception, Disease!
Come! I invite you to my religion! It is a glorious darkness, where we acknowledge our ignorance, where we surrender to the Great and Only Daemon (the one who allots and divides and dispenses all our fates and fortunes).
Come, let us worship Saturn (sower) who sows the seeds and makes them grow!
There is no God but Allah, Lord of the Worlds, the Ultimate, whose will is the only thing you know.
Come! Question me more if you must! Let the mad fool answer! Mock me even! I adore the mockery, it empowers me! Call me names even! Say that I am a fool! Indeed I am a fool! Say that I am a liar! Indeed I am a liar! Say that I am imperfect! But be warned, I am as Allah wills me to be, and will you utter that Allah has made a mistake? Allah makes no mistake, He has created every evil in the world, he has created every good
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Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from thee !? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?COME! I'm EXCITED! ASK ME MORE THINGS PLEASE!
QUESTION ME! TEST ME! LIFE IS TO PROVE WHAT WE ARE TO MAKE MANIFEST THE WILL OF ALLAH AND THE CREATION OF ALLAH, ALL THIS IS THE CREATION OF ALLAH, ALL THIS IS ALLAH PROVING, MAKING IT SO, MAKING IT MANIFEST.
Making it proved who is what and what he has made! Allah hu ackbar! Please continue!
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If you are confident that you couldn't possibly be harmed, then you are deceived by Allah, because Allah certainly could strike you with lightning, or a sudden stroke, or any number of things, no matter how righteous he has made you to be in life, don't you know Allah? Allah is the terror of the Universe, All realities shudder before the mighty one. You do not fear, because Allah has not given you the fear, and you will never fear Allah, save if Allah gives you the fear, and the fear of Allah, is a gift, because Fearing Allah is Knowing Allah, Allah is the Dark Side, there is no duality, there is no polarity, there is necessary balance. I am fallen completely to the darkness, I prostrate to the controller of all harm and all benefit, all pleasure and all pain, who dispenses whatever information and experience to whoever Allah wills. Do you really think you command Allah? Do you think you can bribe Allah? You are whatever Allah makes you to be, behind you is nothing at all, you have no immortality, no power to do anything, no command, no authority even over yourself or what you may do truly, its only the ignorant who think that. I am in this with you, we're both fools before Allah, we're both empty, we're both slaves. What Allah tells you, even if it is deception, you will believe it, and same as what Allah tells me, we are all doomed already, doom means judgment and decision, Allah decides, you do not decide.
So do you take your concept of God, to be that you can roam wherever you decide, that Allah is not making that decision, and Allah is your servant so then rolls out reality before you, and works under you supporting you and upholding you wherever you are deciding to go? Or are you like Man of Faith, who implies something "runs on its own" and that there is apart from Allah a simulation which Allah is not controlling?
My speeches are to purify your religion, to make you a devil like me, to make you appreciate the darkness, so that you come to worship the Power of Evil in the world, the same that is the Power of Good, and the Only Power, Allah The Mighty The Destroyer of Worlds, The Creator of Everything Everywhere Anytime Any Moment Any Thought Any Action and All things.
Allow me to blasphemy a little more
Who created the concept of "baby rape", did you create it? Did Shaitan? No, nothing can they create. Allah created this thing, and every part of it. Who controls the evil that happens? Allah alone. Who controls death? Can you change the time of death? Then who is it who decided the baby should be buried alive and die the precise moment that they do! ALLAH ALONE.
Do you think some things slip out of Allah's grasp? You are fettered to the will of Allah, you do whatever he commands you, you are whatever he wills you to be, if he makes you a baby rapist, nothing can stop you from raping the precise babies that are allotted to you to be raped.
How blasphemous? No! It is not blasphemy, I am giving you dark examples so you understand that Allah is the power, Allah alone is the power.
Allah has made the habitation of those who he creates to be a certain way to be hell. Allah does not make mistakes, Allah does exactly as Allah wills, he does not abide by Justice, Justice is the slave of Allah that Allah can change in an instant, Allah can make it the law and the truth that to kill a baby and rape its corpse is a good deed, and that the worship of Allah is a grave sin. Do you not see the terrible power of Allah? You must fear Allah with everything in your being, but you can not, save if Allah wills
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But you cannot will it unless God wills for, behold, God is indeed all-seeing, wise.8129
But you cannot will it unless God, the Sustainer of all the worlds, wills it.2856
You do not guide someone you love, but God guides anyone He wishes. He is quite Aware as to who are guided.4249
God?s alone is the dominion over the heavens and the earth. He creates whatever He wills He bestows the gift of female offspring on whomever He wills, and the gift of male offspring on whomever He wills;6125
And whomsoever God wills to guide, his bosom He opens wide with willingness towards self-surrender ; and whomsoever He wills to err, his bosom He causes to be tight and constricted, as if he were climbing unto the skies it is thus that God inflicts horror upon those who will not believe.639
And they who reject Our communications are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness; whom Allah wills He causes to err and whom He wills He puts on the right way.7179
And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand (IGNORANT), and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.Perhaps jinn dude (that's definitely your nickname from now on ignore I'm not explaining myself properly. Yes I know God can do WHATEVER! It can completely turn everything on the opposite side! This time tomorrow we COULD be living where we have to walk on our heads! I do not believe this will happen but God is capable of all things. Yes I "fear" God can do anything. But I also take a lot of credit and joy hearing God say to use LOGIC and ReASON! Is it "logically" in our realm to see earth move double the speed by tomorrow? Is it logical to walk in the street naked??? Is it logical or reasonable to slap each person you walk past?? I highly doubt I will do these things tomorrow as I'm quite sure that these things will not be made as good deeds from when they were bad deeds!!! But yes, I am fully aware (don't know how many times I must say this) that God can do whatever it wills. I think we are diverting from the point. I was merely questioning if the creator will do such a thing based on what we know about it in the Qur'an.
Lol and yes pikachu is awesome P but besides the point, what you're saying is that anything can happen to that north Korean. Good I'm glad you say that, so yes there is a possibility of the north Korean not going hell, however it is only if they see the truth? What is that truth then? Say he believes that God is a third of three all his life and was never told otherwise and even if he was he denied it. What is someone's fate when denying it? It goes deeper than this. We are told to NEVER acknowledge anything unless we know it for a fact and have solid evidence. What is solid evidence? How do we know God is not a third of 3? Of course I don't believe this, but what do they use to confirm this? A man can walk into my house saying he is a prophet of God and tell me God is 10! On what basis to I believe him? Do you know what basis? Look around you. What evidence is there that God is 10 or any number? None. What evidence is there that God is one? That is also a question. I believe if we look around we can say "something" made this universe. What is God again? The One. The "thing" that is inside the universes and outside. It is everything. It is. If it is everything, how is one partnering with God by worshipping statues n crap? Aren't those statues also God? Isn't that flower God or that door God? Is not everything God in that case?
I'm kinda going at bit far on the philosophical side of things but I think you may get where I'm going with this...
Is there a difference between someone who is ignorant (I.e. ALL of us at one point!!) And someone who knows the truth but denies it?
Is there not a difference between someone who says 2+2=5 and someone who doesn't know the concept of 2+2??? They get condemned in the same manner? Is that logical? Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning our understanding of God - mine AND yours!!
God forbid baby rape becomesa good deed. If God ever led any of us to that I would terminate my life irrespective of what happens to me! Such a great transgression. I couldn't possibly imagine that bad reversed to good!!
But I get what you mean. jedi
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Do you agree the baby SHOULD go hell? Forget what God can and can't do - we have established God can do anything, we know that. No one is saying otherwise. Try not to miss my point. I'm trying not to miss yours but I will try and understand you. It gets difficult to type on a phone at 3 in the morning....
If Allah makes me think that a baby should go to hell, I will think that. If Allah makes me think that a baby should not go to hell, then that is what I will think.
What do I think currently? I think that whether we surrender willingly or unwillingly, Allah will do as Allah wills. It doesn't matter if I object, or the angels object, Allah is the one who makes the objections even. I do not wish to be those who object to the will of Allah, I wish to be those who surrender, and such a wish and desire is put in me by Allah, because not to surrender is to be in delusion, and I do not want to be in delusion, nor do I want to lose by grasp on the Eternal Truth which is not any information, but is Allah who is the Annihilation of all information and its Creator and Animator.
Should the baby go to hell? The baby who has done nothing, the baby who is innocent, should the baby roast and have its flesh replaced repeatedly so that it suffers endlessly? The should and the shouldn't comes from Allah, as does the Surrender. Allah does as Allah wills, Allah creates whatever Allah wants to create. The suffering and the pleasure.
There are babies who suffer even now, and they grow up to suffer, and they die in suffering, and Allah may throw them into the fire as well, if they were created for such a habitation, regardless of their suffering in their childhood, their adulthood, and near their death.
Your sense of Justice is a creation of Allah, Allah is not bound by it at all, Allah does not make mistakes, but does exactly what Allah wills to do.
So if Allah wants a person to have their flesh burned off in this life, a little girl (and it is happened, I've seen it, it is information which Allah has created), and their hands to be cut off (she just has nubs), is it a matter of "should" or "should not"? This is a creation of Allah, and Allah says "Be" and it is.
Will she be given good, or bad in the afterlife? Will she have an afterlife at all? All such are in the power of Allah alone. You are not immortal, you are not bound to be resurrected, your resurrection comes from Allah, you have no eternal being, you are nothing but what Allah makes you when Allah makes you and Allah can return you to Annihilation, my Lord is Apollyon, Apollo the Destroyer. The Desolation and Destruction of the Worlds.
Allah may give her good, Allah may give her bad, Allah may make her the mockery of everyone, in this life and the next, or Allah may bless her, Allah may give her happiness while she retains a mutilated form, Allah may give her sadness after he has returned to her all her functioning and hands and given her a beautiful face.
All Praise Be To Allah, who has Guided Me to His Religion. The Lord of Death, The God of Sin, The King of Hell, The Master of Disaster haha.
Lip cutter, Eye gouger, Tongue tearing, Heart stopping, Finger crushing, Buttocks exploding Lord of the Worlds.
The one who kills people, even by their own hands. The one who makes people take a knife and cut themselves, and cut their wrists and pours out their blood on the floor.
The one who made the Japanese apparently commit Seppuku and disemboweling themselves, he invented that tradition and bestowed it upon then and made them enact it, This is the LORD don't you see?
We FEAR THE LORD, HE CAN MAKE US DO ANYTHING, HE CAN MAKE US MAD FOOLS!
The God who made the monk sit there, and pour gasoline on himself, and burned his body. Did the monk do it? Yes, the monk did it, Allah was the power that willed the monk to will it and Allah alone was the power which animated the event, and Allah alone is the one who made it accomplished.
Ibrahim was thrown in the fire! Fire be cool! It was cool. Where is your science? Your gravity? Allah is the Only Science, Allah is the Only Technology, Allah is the Only Power, Allah is the Only Way.
Allah can make you drink poison, knowingly or unknowingly, and you do not fear Allah? You do not fear Allah because you make a partner with Allah who protects you from Allah? This partner called "Promise" (Mithra), this partner called "Justice"? Allah is chained to this partner? Allah is bound to do what it commands? It is the authority over Allah or the one that ADVISES ALLAH?
Allah FOLLOWS Justice? Allah FOLLOWS Righteousness? Allah FOLLOWS Science? NO! Allah creates these things and can un-create them and transform them and give them new meanings and definitions and realities and existences. Allah FOLLOWS Nothing, Everything follows the Command of Allah.
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How is it possible to condemn someone who has no knowledge? Why is the fish condemned to the sea? Why is the baby condemned with retardation? Why? Allah does whatever Allah wants to do, this is the whole point, our religion is this understanding, if you do not understand it, Allah it is who does not let anyone understand except whom Allah wills.
Lol you appear deceived by what you think is "truth", because it only exists in this moment, you have no access to anything except what Allah tells you and gives you. How gravity appears to work right now is only information you are being fed, Allah can change even your appearance of memories, so that the apple falls upwards to the sky and everyone on Earth and all your memories confirm that it is the way it has always been "certainly that is the truth!" they might say and "of course! You fools! Everyone knows the apple falls up to the sky, and these are the laws of gravity!" It is a TRAP its a TRICK, its NOT the ETERNAL TRUTH, its not the truth at all really as in "lasting", it is NOTHING BUT ILLUSION that Allah is feeding you, Allah invents whatever Allah wants to invent.
JUST A MOMENT AGO, JUST A MOMENT AGO you could have been in another world entirely, with different memories, with different certainties and different truths, you only have access to this moment, you only have access to the things you are made to see, even your memories are existing right now, given to you by Allah, its just information, you yourself are just information, you can be changed and there is no certainty or guarantee that gravity was different just a moment ago, and all your memories confirmed it.
This is why I am mad! Insane! Delusional! Go for it! I encourage you! Yes! The madness is from Allah! All this is madness! You will live by the words of God, you will not utter save what God makes you utter, God sends the delusion upon people, God is the Deluder, the Deceiver, the Diseaser, the source of All Delusion, Deception, Disease!
Come! I invite you to my religion! It is a glorious darkness, where we acknowledge our ignorance, where we surrender to the Great and Only Daemon (the one who allots and divides and dispenses all our fates and fortunes).
Come, let us worship Saturn (sower) who sows the seeds and makes them grow!
There is no God but Allah, Lord of the Worlds, the Ultimate, whose will is the only thing you know.
Come! Question me more if you must! Let the mad fool answer! Mock me even! I adore the mockery, it empowers me! Call me names even! Say that I am a fool! Indeed I am a fool! Say that I am a liar! Indeed I am a liar! Say that I am imperfect! But be warned, I am as Allah wills me to be, and will you utter that Allah has made a mistake? Allah makes no mistake, He has created every evil in the world, he has created every good
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Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from thee !? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?COME! I'm EXCITED! ASK ME MORE THINGS PLEASE!
QUESTION ME! TEST ME! LIFE IS TO PROVE WHAT WE ARE TO MAKE MANIFEST THE WILL OF ALLAH AND THE CREATION OF ALLAH, ALL THIS IS THE CREATION OF ALLAH, ALL THIS IS ALLAH PROVING, MAKING IT SO, MAKING IT MANIFEST.
Making it proved who is what and what he has made! Allah hu ackbar! Please continue!
Haha wow you really are insane!!!! I hope you didn't falll of the seat writing that!!! All of it made me laugh (apart from the Allah hu akbar part which isn't proper Arabic but hey ).
Do you ever sleep???? And I'm quite happy with my own deen thanks xD
1096 "To you is your system, and to me is mine.
Our ways of life are designed by God to be different. Our interpretations are always going to be different but we are here to strive towards the most correct interpretation! And obviously there is no compulsion in the system, so people can go along with it or not - God does not care. God does not need anything from us. God can exist with nothing else existing. God is nothingness, God is everything. We are but creatures who roam one of the many planets in this universe. Pha, we are but a grain of sand in the Sahara!!
Anyway. Before I get off topic again, my point stands. Difference between one who KNOWS 2+2 should be 4 and not 5 and one who doesn't even know what 2+2 means! Are they condemned in equal manner? I think not...
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If Allah makes me think that a baby should go to hell, I will think that. If Allah makes me think that a baby should not go to hell, then that is what I will think.
What do I think currently? I think that whether we surrender willingly or unwillingly, Allah will do as Allah wills. It doesn't matter if I object, or the angels object, Allah is the one who makes the objections even. I do not wish to be those who object to the will of Allah, I wish to be those who surrender, and such a wish and desire is put in me by Allah, because not to surrender is to be in delusion, and I do not want to be in delusion, nor do I want to lose by grasp on the Eternal Truth which is not any information, but is Allah who is the Annihilation of all information and its Creator and Animator.
Should the baby go to hell? The baby who has done nothing, the baby who is innocent, should the baby roast and have its flesh replaced repeatedly so that it suffers endlessly? The should and the shouldn't comes from Allah, as does the Surrender. Allah does as Allah wills, Allah creates whatever Allah wants to create. The suffering and the pleasure.
There are babies who suffer even now, and they grow up to suffer, and they die in suffering, and Allah may throw them into the fire as well, if they were created for such a habitation, regardless of their suffering in their childhood, their adulthood, and near their death.
Your sense of Justice is a creation of Allah, Allah is not bound by it at all, Allah does not make mistakes, but does exactly what Allah wills to do.
So if Allah wants a person to have their flesh burned off in this life, a little girl (and it is happened, I've seen it, it is information which Allah has created), and their hands to be cut off (she just has nubs), is it a matter of "should" or "should not"? This is a creation of Allah, and Allah says "Be" and it is.
Will she be given good, or bad in the afterlife? Will she have an afterlife at all? All such are in the power of Allah alone. You are not immortal, you are not bound to be resurrected, your resurrection comes from Allah, you have no eternal being, you are nothing but what Allah makes you when Allah makes you and Allah can return you to Annihilation, my Lord is Apollyon, Apollo the Destroyer. The Desolation and Destruction of the Worlds.
Allah may give her good, Allah may give her bad, Allah may make her the mockery of everyone, in this life and the next, or Allah may bless her, Allah may give her happiness while she retains a mutilated form, Allah may give her sadness after he has returned to her all her functioning and hands and given her a beautiful face.
All Praise Be To Allah, who has Guided Me to His Religion. The Lord of Death, The God of Sin, The King of Hell, The Master of Disaster haha.
Lip cutter, Eye gouger, Tongue tearing, Heart stopping, Finger crushing, Buttocks exploding Lord of the Worlds.
The one who kills people, even by their own hands. The one who makes people take a knife and cut themselves, and cut their wrists and pours out their blood on the floor.
The one who made the Japanese apparently commit Seppuku and disemboweling themselves, he invented that tradition and bestowed it upon then and made them enact it, This is the LORD don't you see?
We FEAR THE LORD, HE CAN MAKE US DO ANYTHING, HE CAN MAKE US MAD FOOLS!
The God who made the monk sit there, and pour gasoline on himself, and burned his body. Did the monk do it? Yes, the monk did it, Allah was the power that willed the monk to will it and Allah alone was the power which animated the event, and Allah alone is the one who made it accomplished.
Ibrahim was thrown in the fire! Fire be cool! It was cool. Where is your science? Your gravity? Allah is the Only Science, Allah is the Only Technology, Allah is the Only Power, Allah is the Only Way.
Allah can make you drink poison, knowingly or unknowingly, and you do not fear Allah? You do not fear Allah because you make a partner with Allah who protects you from Allah? This partner called "Promise" (Mithra), this partner called "Justice"? Allah is chained to this partner? Allah is bound to do what it commands? It is the authority over Allah or the one that ADVISES ALLAH?
Allah FOLLOWS Justice? Allah FOLLOWS Righteousness? Allah FOLLOWS Science? NO! Allah creates these things and can un-create them and transform them and give them new meanings and definitions and realities and existences. Allah FOLLOWS Nothing, Everything follows the Command of Allah.
Sooooooooo.... Every single question I ask... All I'm gonna get is "Allah wills whatever it wills."
Fair enough I give up lol. No point continuing. A person can be the loveliest nicest goodie twoshoes on the planet and Allah will say "meh I changed my mind you are going hell muhahaha!!!"
Allah to me is not like that... Allah is logical in the laws set for US. Allah knows logic and no logic but is just! These are not partners - it is a fact that Allah is just! Or do you say Allah is unjust? Do you say Allah is logical but then it is illogical? Nay... Allah CAN be whatever but we have been given inspiration from God to have an IDEA of how Allah works and Allah insists on logic and reason justice compassion etc!!
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Perhaps jinn dude (that's definitely your nickname from now on ignore) I'm not explaining myself properly. Yes I know God can do WHATEVER! It can completely turn everything on the opposite side! This time tomorrow we COULD be living where we have to walk on our heads! I do not believe this will happen but God is capable of all things. Yes I "fear" God can do anything. But I also take a lot of credit and joy hearing God say to use LOGIC and ReASON! Is it "logically" in our realm to see earth move double the speed by tomorrow? Is it logical to walk in the street naked??? Is it logical or reasonable to slap each person you walk past?? I highly doubt I will do these things tomorrow as I'm quite sure that these things will not be made as good deeds from when they were bad deeds!!! But yes, I am fully aware (don't know how many times I must say this) that God can do whatever it wills. I think we are diverting from the point. I was merely questioning if the creator will do such a thing based on what we know about it in the Qur'an.
Lol and yes pikachu is awesome P but besides the point, what you're saying is that anything can happen to that north Korean. Good I'm glad you say that, so yes there is a possibility of the north Korean not going hell, however it is only if they see the truth? What is that truth then? Say he believes that God is a third of three all his life and was never told otherwise and even if he was he denied it. What is someone's fate when denying it? It goes deeper than this. We are told to NEVER acknowledge anything unless we know it for a fact and have solid evidence. What is solid evidence? How do we know God is not a third of 3? Of course I don't believe this, but what do they use to confirm this? A man can walk into my house saying he is a prophet of God and tell me God is 10! On what basis to I believe him? Do you know what basis? Look around you. What evidence is there that God is 10 or any number? None. What evidence is there that God is one? That is also a question. I believe if we look around we can say "something" made this universe. What is God again? The One. The "thing" that is inside the universes and outside. It is everything. It is. If it is everything, how is one partnering with God by worshipping statues n crap? Aren't those statues also God? Isn't that flower God or that door God? Is not everything God in that case?
I'm kinda going at bit far on the philosophical side of things but I think you may get where I'm going with this...
Is there a difference between someone who is ignorant (I.e. ALL of us at one point!!) And someone who knows the truth but denies it?
Is there not a difference between someone who says 2+2=5 and someone who doesn't know the concept of 2+2??? They get condemned in the same manner? Is that logical? Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning our understanding of God - mine AND yours!!
God forbid baby rape becomesa good deed. If God ever led any of us to that I would terminate my life irrespective of what happens to me! Such a great transgression. I couldn't possibly imagine that bad reversed to good!!
But I get what you mean. jedi
Thank you so much for the questions, and I hope that we both become enlightened! Please do not become frustrated with me, you certainly are making a fool out of me, and the people will look at your words and be on your side and I am only something by which people prove themselves, what is usually known as a "test".
What you know as logic and reason is created by Allah. Allah could make a custom or a science which suddenly shows all the benefit you can imagine in slapping someone, especially slapping someone incredibly hard, and make it "all the rage" in society, just as Allah has made every trend in existence and every technology and put Ipads in the hands of people and whatever else. This is Allah doing it, Allah can turn it into something else and you WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW, unless Allah made you aware.
You would not be able to tell if the sun has always been purple, if Allah doesn't give you any information other than that it has always been purple and convinces you of it and makes all your supposed "memories" confirm it from the "past".
If the Earth moved double speed suddenly, or all people were naked suddenly, you would not know it as "illogical" unless Allah made you know it, nor is it necessarily "illogical" unless Allah makes it illogical.
Here is another partner with Allah "logic" and "reason" and though my Logic and my Reasoning is incredibly strong for what I say, that Allah is not made of information and creates all information, Logic and Reasoning are both from Allah, and Allah can create any reality or any logic or any reasoning that makes "perfect sense" if Allah wills, just like in a dream something can make so much sense until you wake up. That is why I retain only the Ultimate Truth as far as Allah allows me, which is that Allah is not made of information, everything is information that Allah creates, including us and our thoughts and our experiences and our discoveries and our truths and whatever we see and know and do and hear and say and eat and defecate. If Allah made it the logical and reasonable thing to eat your own feces, and makes it suddenly that "for all ages we have eating our feces, and science proves it is good for us" or "science proves eating feces is bad for us and we do it because it harms us!" or any number of things which may seem absurd to you now, Allah may have had that as the reality just a moment ago, you do not know, nor do I, Allah knows!
LOL How do we know God is not a third of three? Because GOD IS NOT ANYTHING, GOD IS LIKE NOTHING, GOD IS NOT MADE OF INFORMATION, So to be "third of three" requires God to be made of information, requires God to be some THING which can be divided up, all that is information, God is not information, that is the ETERNAL TRUTH, that is the one thing that doesn't change, All information is transitory and without resistance it can change, but Allah is not information so does not change in that sense because THERE IS NOTHING TO CHANGE, THERE IS NO INFORMATION TO CHANGE THAT IS GOD.
That is how we know that God can never be the third of three, because in order to be the third of three, God would have to be information, limited, dividable, and to be dividable you need to be information, you can not divide non-information.
You very likely have a wrong concept about God, and this is why these things might not make sense, if you come to a right concept of God, which is what I'm presenting, then the questions all fade away if Allah wills, or the questions all strengthen you if Allah wills.
Many people imagine God as something, they imagine something, they think in some foggy way even that God is something, God is not something, God is not information at all, God is what creates and manipulates all information. Information is the "veil" which shimmers, behind the curtain of information is NOTHING, NOT BLACKNESS, NOT EMPTY SPACE, NOT DIMENSIONS, NOT WHITENESS, NOT LIGHT (light is also invisible, only reveals things on reflective surfaces), NOTHING, you can not imagine it, it is like looking through glass or air with no background at all no solid color, no space or dimension, not information, just ANNIHILATION (Nirvana), That is why Allah said YOU CAN NOT SEE ME, BUT LOOK AT THIS MOUNTAIN and the Mountain was ATOMIZED, and Musa became unconscious, meaning not receiving any information anymore, just like a dreamless sleep, then Allah revived him and made him say subhanaka tubtu ilayka waana awwalu almu/mineena
"Nothing (Subhan/Void) ARE YOU! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the foremost of believers!
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I try to not have the wrong concept of God. I hope I am one of the people to have a better concept of God or better understanding of God than many others, I would hope! A lot of the time people are still stuck in a pagan land of thinking God is some dude with a white beard in the sky just lying down on a cloud looking down at everyone and playing chess or something! I understand God to be something we cannot comprehend let alone see!
My question still stands for you though, as a personal interpretation, I want you to answer this based on your own opinion and understanding as I want to know your own brain and what it thinks of this question!
Is there not a difference between someone who says 2+2=5 and someone who doesn't know the concept of 2+2??? They get condemned in the same manner?
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Haha wow you really are insane!!!! I hope you didn't falll of the seat writing that!!! All of it made me laugh (apart from the Allah hu akbar part which isn't proper Arabic but hey ).
Do you ever sleep???? And I'm quite happy with my own deen thanks xD
1096 "To you is your system, and to me is mine.
Our ways of life are designed by God to be different. Our interpretations are always going to be different but we are here to strive towards the most correct interpretation! And obviously there is no compulsion in the system, so people can go along with it or not - God does not care. God does not need anything from us. God can exist with nothing else existing. God is nothingness, God is everything. We are but creatures who roam one of the many planets in this universe. Pha, we are but a grain of sand in the Sahara!!
Anyway. Before I get off topic again, my point stands. Difference between one who KNOWS 2+2 should be 4 and not 5 and one who doesn't even know what 2+2 means! Are they condemned in equal manner? I think not...
I am so happy you are laughing! Please continue to laugh! If you can be amused by my posts at least and find the humor in them, I am so happy for that! Even laugh at my silly transliteration of Allah hu Akbar and my errors and everything you can manage to enjoy! Enjoy it!
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"And that towards your Lord lies the final End;
and that it is He alone who causes to laugh and to weep;
and that it is He alone who deals death and grants life;
and that it is He who creates the two kinds - the male and the female ?
out of a drop of sperm as it is poured forth,
And that on Him is the bringing forth a second time;
and that it is He alone who frees from want and causes to possess;
and that it is He alone who sustains the brightest star;
and that it is He who destroyed the ancient Ad
And the Thamud nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.5355
Then whichever of your Lord's boons do you wrangle about?THIS IS a warning like those warnings of old
The threatened Hour is nigh.
None beside God can relieve it.
Do ye then wonder at this recital?
And do you laugh instead of weeping,
Moreover entertain yourselves (with fun and games)?
but prostrate yourselves before God, and worship !
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Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.So withdraw from them (O Muhammad) on the day when the Summoner summoneth unto a painful thing.
They will come forth,- their eyes humbled - from (their) graves, (torpid) like locusts scattered abroad,
hastening towards the Crier. Those who deny the truth will cry, This is such a hard day!
Noah?s folk denied it long before them; they rejected Our servant and said " crazy!", and he was rebuffed.
So he prayed to his Lord "I am helpless, deliver me."
Prostration!