Christians will be punished and are wicked???...
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Perhaps jinn dude (that's definitely your nickname from now on ignore) I'm not explaining myself properly. Yes I know God can do WHATEVER! It can completely turn everything on the opposite side! This time tomorrow we COULD be living where we have to walk on our heads! I do not believe this will happen but God is capable of all things. Yes I "fear" God can do anything. But I also take a lot of credit and joy hearing God say to use LOGIC and ReASON! Is it "logically" in our realm to see earth move double the speed by tomorrow? Is it logical to walk in the street naked??? Is it logical or reasonable to slap each person you walk past?? I highly doubt I will do these things tomorrow as I'm quite sure that these things will not be made as good deeds from when they were bad deeds!!! But yes, I am fully aware (don't know how many times I must say this) that God can do whatever it wills. I think we are diverting from the point. I was merely questioning if the creator will do such a thing based on what we know about it in the Qur'an.
Lol and yes pikachu is awesome P but besides the point, what you're saying is that anything can happen to that north Korean. Good I'm glad you say that, so yes there is a possibility of the north Korean not going hell, however it is only if they see the truth? What is that truth then? Say he believes that God is a third of three all his life and was never told otherwise and even if he was he denied it. What is someone's fate when denying it? It goes deeper than this. We are told to NEVER acknowledge anything unless we know it for a fact and have solid evidence. What is solid evidence? How do we know God is not a third of 3? Of course I don't believe this, but what do they use to confirm this? A man can walk into my house saying he is a prophet of God and tell me God is 10! On what basis to I believe him? Do you know what basis? Look around you. What evidence is there that God is 10 or any number? None. What evidence is there that God is one? That is also a question. I believe if we look around we can say "something" made this universe. What is God again? The One. The "thing" that is inside the universes and outside. It is everything. It is. If it is everything, how is one partnering with God by worshipping statues n crap? Aren't those statues also God? Isn't that flower God or that door God? Is not everything God in that case?
I'm kinda going at bit far on the philosophical side of things but I think you may get where I'm going with this...
Is there a difference between someone who is ignorant (I.e. ALL of us at one point!!) And someone who knows the truth but denies it?
Is there not a difference between someone who says 2+2=5 and someone who doesn't know the concept of 2+2??? They get condemned in the same manner? Is that logical? Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning our understanding of God - mine AND yours!!
God forbid baby rape becomesa good deed. If God ever led any of us to that I would terminate my life irrespective of what happens to me! Such a great transgression. I couldn't possibly imagine that bad reversed to good!!
But I get what you mean. jedi
Thank you so much for the questions, and I hope that we both become enlightened! Please do not become frustrated with me, you certainly are making a fool out of me, and the people will look at your words and be on your side and I am only something by which people prove themselves, what is usually known as a "test".
What you know as logic and reason is created by Allah. Allah could make a custom or a science which suddenly shows all the benefit you can imagine in slapping someone, especially slapping someone incredibly hard, and make it "all the rage" in society, just as Allah has made every trend in existence and every technology and put Ipads in the hands of people and whatever else. This is Allah doing it, Allah can turn it into something else and you WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW, unless Allah made you aware.
You would not be able to tell if the sun has always been purple, if Allah doesn't give you any information other than that it has always been purple and convinces you of it and makes all your supposed "memories" confirm it from the "past".
If the Earth moved double speed suddenly, or all people were naked suddenly, you would not know it as "illogical" unless Allah made you know it, nor is it necessarily "illogical" unless Allah makes it illogical.
Here is another partner with Allah "logic" and "reason" and though my Logic and my Reasoning is incredibly strong for what I say, that Allah is not made of information and creates all information, Logic and Reasoning are both from Allah, and Allah can create any reality or any logic or any reasoning that makes "perfect sense" if Allah wills, just like in a dream something can make so much sense until you wake up. That is why I retain only the Ultimate Truth as far as Allah allows me, which is that Allah is not made of information, everything is information that Allah creates, including us and our thoughts and our experiences and our discoveries and our truths and whatever we see and know and do and hear and say and eat and defecate. If Allah made it the logical and reasonable thing to eat your own feces, and makes it suddenly that "for all ages we have eating our feces, and science proves it is good for us" or "science proves eating feces is bad for us and we do it because it harms us!" or any number of things which may seem absurd to you now, Allah may have had that as the reality just a moment ago, you do not know, nor do I, Allah knows!
LOL How do we know God is not a third of three? Because GOD IS NOT ANYTHING, GOD IS LIKE NOTHING, GOD IS NOT MADE OF INFORMATION, So to be "third of three" requires God to be made of information, requires God to be some THING which can be divided up, all that is information, God is not information, that is the ETERNAL TRUTH, that is the one thing that doesn't change, All information is transitory and without resistance it can change, but Allah is not information so does not change in that sense because THERE IS NOTHING TO CHANGE, THERE IS NO INFORMATION TO CHANGE THAT IS GOD.
That is how we know that God can never be the third of three, because in order to be the third of three, God would have to be information, limited, dividable, and to be dividable you need to be information, you can not divide non-information.
You very likely have a wrong concept about God, and this is why these things might not make sense, if you come to a right concept of God, which is what I'm presenting, then the questions all fade away if Allah wills, or the questions all strengthen you if Allah wills.
Many people imagine God as something, they imagine something, they think in some foggy way even that God is something, God is not something, God is not information at all, God is what creates and manipulates all information. Information is the "veil" which shimmers, behind the curtain of information is NOTHING, NOT BLACKNESS, NOT EMPTY SPACE, NOT DIMENSIONS, NOT WHITENESS, NOT LIGHT (light is also invisible, only reveals things on reflective surfaces), NOTHING, you can not imagine it, it is like looking through glass or air with no background at all no solid color, no space or dimension, not information, just ANNIHILATION (Nirvana), That is why Allah said YOU CAN NOT SEE ME, BUT LOOK AT THIS MOUNTAIN and the Mountain was ATOMIZED, and Musa became unconscious, meaning not receiving any information anymore, just like a dreamless sleep, then Allah revived him and made him say subhanaka tubtu ilayka waana awwalu almu/mineena
"Nothing (Subhan/Void) ARE YOU! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the foremost of believers!
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I try to not have the wrong concept of God. I hope I am one of the people to have a better concept of God or better understanding of God than many others, I would hope! A lot of the time people are still stuck in a pagan land of thinking God is some dude with a white beard in the sky just lying down on a cloud looking down at everyone and playing chess or something! I understand God to be something we cannot comprehend let alone see!
My question still stands for you though, as a personal interpretation, I want you to answer this based on your own opinion and understanding as I want to know your own brain and what it thinks of this question!
Is there not a difference between someone who says 2+2=5 and someone who doesn't know the concept of 2+2??? They get condemned in the same manner?
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Haha wow you really are insane!!!! I hope you didn't falll of the seat writing that!!! All of it made me laugh (apart from the Allah hu akbar part which isn't proper Arabic but hey ).
Do you ever sleep???? And I'm quite happy with my own deen thanks xD
1096 "To you is your system, and to me is mine.
Our ways of life are designed by God to be different. Our interpretations are always going to be different but we are here to strive towards the most correct interpretation! And obviously there is no compulsion in the system, so people can go along with it or not - God does not care. God does not need anything from us. God can exist with nothing else existing. God is nothingness, God is everything. We are but creatures who roam one of the many planets in this universe. Pha, we are but a grain of sand in the Sahara!!
Anyway. Before I get off topic again, my point stands. Difference between one who KNOWS 2+2 should be 4 and not 5 and one who doesn't even know what 2+2 means! Are they condemned in equal manner? I think not...
I am so happy you are laughing! Please continue to laugh! If you can be amused by my posts at least and find the humor in them, I am so happy for that! Even laugh at my silly transliteration of Allah hu Akbar and my errors and everything you can manage to enjoy! Enjoy it!
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"And that towards your Lord lies the final End;
and that it is He alone who causes to laugh and to weep;
and that it is He alone who deals death and grants life;
and that it is He who creates the two kinds - the male and the female ?
out of a drop of sperm as it is poured forth,
And that on Him is the bringing forth a second time;
and that it is He alone who frees from want and causes to possess;
and that it is He alone who sustains the brightest star;
and that it is He who destroyed the ancient Ad
And the Thamud nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.5355
Then whichever of your Lord's boons do you wrangle about?THIS IS a warning like those warnings of old
The threatened Hour is nigh.
None beside God can relieve it.
Do ye then wonder at this recital?
And do you laugh instead of weeping,
Moreover entertain yourselves (with fun and games)?
but prostrate yourselves before God, and worship !
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Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.So withdraw from them (O Muhammad) on the day when the Summoner summoneth unto a painful thing.
They will come forth,- their eyes humbled - from (their) graves, (torpid) like locusts scattered abroad,
hastening towards the Crier. Those who deny the truth will cry, This is such a hard day!
Noah?s folk denied it long before them; they rejected Our servant and said " crazy!", and he was rebuffed.
So he prayed to his Lord "I am helpless, deliver me."
Prostration!
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Anyway. Before I get off topic again, my point stands. Difference between one who KNOWS 2+2 should be 4 and not 5 and one who doesn't even know what 2+2 means! Are they condemned in equal manner? I think not...
Good questions! First let me ask, who created pikachu? Was it the Japanese person, did the Japanese person think of it and make it happen and do it? Did the various conditions of his life do it? Don't worry, I will give you the answer, Allah created pikachu, not the Japanese animator. Allah created Japanese anime pornography as well. Some he leads to it and makes them witness it, others have never heard of it!
2+2 is only "true" so far as Allah makes it appear to us to be true, it is not an eternal truth, only NOTHING which is Allah, the non-information which creates all information, is the Eternal Truth.
Nothing is True, Everything is Permissible (to Accomplish the Goal). That can mean that Al-Haqq, the Truth, the Reality, is Nothing, like Nothing, and to achieve the goal, which is pleasure and paradise, do whatever you can, whatever you can do is what Allah makes you do though, know that Allah is the only Truth, all the other truths are just the creations of Allah which can and may be easily changed and we wouldn't even know if they changed or not if Allah didn't inform us or make it appear that they have changed and provided every evidence to "confirm the truth".
So is the one who doesn't know something to be blamed in our current worldly understanding related to the term "right" and "justice" and "fairness"? No, it seems bad to blame someone for not knowing, but that doesn't mean that Allah hasn't clearly said that he is the one who doesn't let them know and places them in the fire for what they are and were made to be and were created for, just as the fish is placed in the sea, what justice is there to place the fish in the sea? Allah does whatever Allah wills.
My deen is the only deen, so you really should follow what I am saying because it really is the Eternal Truth I speak of.
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I am so happy you are laughing! Please continue to laugh! If you can be amused by my posts at least and find the humor in them, I am so happy for that! Even laugh at my silly transliteration of Allah hu Akbar and my errors and everything you can manage to enjoy! Enjoy it!
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"And that towards your Lord lies the final End;
and that it is He alone who causes to laugh and to weep;
and that it is He alone who deals death and grants life;
and that it is He who creates the two kinds - the male and the female ?
out of a drop of sperm as it is poured forth,
And that on Him is the bringing forth a second time;
and that it is He alone who frees from want and causes to possess;
and that it is He alone who sustains the brightest star;
and that it is He who destroyed the ancient Ad
And the Thamud nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.5355
Then whichever of your Lord's boons do you wrangle about?THIS IS a warning like those warnings of old
The threatened Hour is nigh.
None beside God can relieve it.
Do ye then wonder at this recital?
And do you laugh instead of weeping,
Moreover entertain yourselves (with fun and games)?
but prostrate yourselves before God, and worship !
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Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.So withdraw from them (O Muhammad) on the day when the Summoner summoneth unto a painful thing.
They will come forth,- their eyes humbled - from (their) graves, (torpid) like locusts scattered abroad,
hastening towards the Crier. Those who deny the truth will cry, This is such a hard day!
Noah?s folk denied it long before them; they rejected Our servant and said " crazy!", and he was rebuffed.
So he prayed to his Lord "I am helpless, deliver me."
Prostration!
So.... You're tryna say I'm LAUGHING at the Qur'an?? Do not insult me.
I'm laughing at you! But you clearly can't take a joke. Don't ever think I'm laughing at God... I would do no such damn thing! I'm seriously insulted that you can quote such a verse to me and imply that I'm laughing at God's words. How sickening... And you complain of others of a sense of humour??????????
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Good questions! First let me ask, who created pikachu? Was it the Japanese person, did the Japanese person think of it and make it happen and do it? Did the various conditions of his life do it? Don't worry, I will give you the answer, Allah created pikachu, not the Japanese animator. Allah created Japanese anime pornography as well. Some he leads to it and makes them witness it, others have never heard of it!
2+2 is only "true" so far as Allah makes it appear to us to be true, it is not an eternal truth, only NOTHING which is Allah, the non-information which creates all information, is the Eternal Truth.
Nothing is True, Everything is Permissible (to Accomplish the Goal). That can mean that Al-Haqq, the Truth, the Reality, is Nothing, like Nothing, and to achieve the goal, which is pleasure and paradise, do whatever you can, whatever you can do is what Allah makes you do though, know that Allah is the only Truth, all the other truths are just the creations of Allah which can and may be easily changed and we wouldn't even know if they changed or not if Allah didn't inform us or make it appear that they have changed and provided every evidence to "confirm the truth".
So is the one who doesn't know something to be blamed in our current worldly understanding related to the term "right" and "justice" and "fairness"? No, it seems bad to blame someone for not knowing, but that doesn't mean that Allah hasn't clearly said that he is the one who doesn't let them know and places them in the fire for what they are and were made to be and were created for, just as the fish is placed in the sea, what justice is there to place the fish in the sea? Allah does whatever Allah wills.
My deen is the only deen, so you really should follow what I am saying because it really is the Eternal Truth I speak of.
I follow God, not you. I follow what God says, not what you say. You say you speak the eternal truth? Speaks the one who believes to prostrate facing Mecca and all the other garbage! God is above that!
So hang on, you believe SPECIFIC people who are born are ALREADY destined to go hell??? Allah does not create people just to go to hell - no way... So who's got this curse upon them then? Let's do a raffle to see which poor sod gets chosen for eternity to go to hell since they are already doomed to hell before they take their first breathe according to your logic! Damn... This almost sounds as bad as when Christians yabba on about the Original Sin nonsense!!!
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Lol and yes pikachu is awesome but besides the point, what you're saying is that anything can happen to that north Korean. Good I'm glad you say that, so yes there is a possibility of the north Korean not going hell, however it is only if they see the truth? What is that truth then? Say he believes that God is a third of three all his life and was never told otherwise and even if he was he denied it. What is someone's fate when denying it? It goes deeper than this.
We are told to NEVER acknowledge anything unless we know it for a fact and have solid evidence. What is solid evidence? How do we know God is not a third of 3? Of course I don't believe this, but what do they use to confirm this? A man can walk into my house saying he is a prophet of God and tell me God is 10! On what basis to I believe him? Do you know what basis? Look around you. What evidence is there that God is 10 or any number? None. What evidence is there that God is one? That is also a question. I believe if we look around we can say "something" made this universe. What is God again? The One. The "thing" that is inside the universes and outside. It is everything. It is. If it is everything, how is one partnering with God by worshipping statues n crap? Aren't those statues also God? Isn't that flower God or that door God? Is not everything God in that case?
I'm kinda going at bit far on the philosophical side of things but I think you may get where I'm going with this...
I would terminate my life irrespective of what happens to me! Such a great transgression. I couldn't possibly imagine that bad reversed to good!!
But I get what you mean. jedi
I don't know if you do really "get what I mean" because you still appear to think YOU CAN TERMINATE YOUR LIFE, You can't do it. Only Allah can make you accomplish it and at the exact time that Allah determines it should Be.
Also, you ask these questions, did Allah not make it clear in the Qur'an that Allah can guide anyone? If someone is not guided it is Allah who is causing them to err. Do you think that the Korean parents have any power over what the North Korean child thinks or does? They have no influence whatsoever, it is Allah doing it all, and so Allah can make the child understand even on his own, and Koreans have also become Muslims, but even if they aren't the Judgment is with Allah, Allah guides, no one can guide them, Allah causes to err, no one can cause them to err but Allah. He is the one telling the child "third of three" and making them believe it, and He is the one who can torment them with that and after that.
YOU SHOULD QUESTION GOD, IT IS GOD YOU SHOULD BE QUESTIONING, AND FEED ALSO INTO YOUR HATRED IF YOU MUST, IT CAN PURIFY YOUR PATH, KNOW THAT HOWEVER DESPICABLE GOD MAKES YOU FIND HIM, GOD CAN NOT BE OUTDONE OR DEFEATED, GOD CAN NOT BE OUTDONE, YOUR OWN HATRED, YOUR OWN LOVE, YOUR OWN WILL IS ALLAH DOING IT.
You think you can terminate your own life? You can NEVER terminate your own life, nor can you LIVE or EXTEND YOUR LIFE in the LEAST BIT, if you read the revelations I have been showing, it says all of that repeatedly in the Qur'an!
If a man walks into your house, saying he is a prophet of God, KNOW THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU IS CONTROLLED BY GOD, THE DELUDED AND THE TRUTHFUL. If he says GOD IS WEAK, he is a liar, but Allah may make you believe him, and so set you each astray. The Qur'an confirms the truth for those who already are believers, who already know the truth, and Allah is the one who gives the confirmation and the truth and the knowledge.
So if Allah makes someone swallow poison, or a poisonous lie, and such makes them ill, Allah is doing it all, Allah is opening your mouth, Allah is making your heart beat, Allah is making your brain fart!
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I follow God, not you. I follow what God says, not what you say. You say you speak the eternal truth? Speaks the one who believes to prostrate facing Mecca and all the other garbage! God is above that!
So hang on, you believe SPECIFIC people who are born are ALREADY destined to go hell??? Allah does not create people just to go to hell - no way... So who's got this curse upon them then? Let's do a raffle to see which poor sod gets chosen for eternity to go to hell since they are already doomed to hell before they take their first breathe according to your logic! Damn... This almost sounds as bad as when Christians yabba on about the Original Sin nonsense!!!
Does Allah not create the fish for the sea?
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And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.7181
Now, among those whom We have created there are people who guide in the way of the truth and act justly in its light.7182
And those who deny Our revelations - step by step We lead them on from whence they know not.2841
We turned them into leaders who invite to the Fire. On Resurrection Day they will not be supported.2691
And hell will appear plainly to the erring.
"And it shall be said to them 'Where are what YOU worshipped-
Besides Allah? Can they help you or yet help themselves?
Then, they were thrown down into it, they and the ones who are in error,
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Then they will be pitched (headlong) into it, they and the misguided,4129
And those who have rejected will Say "Our Lord, show us those who have misled us from among the Jinn and humans so we can trample them under our feet, and render them the lowliest."3861
They will say "Our Lord! whoever brought this upon us,- Add to him a double Penalty in the Fire!"And they shall say What is the matter with us that we do not see men whom we used to count among the vicious?
"Did we treat them (as such) in ridicule, or have (our) eyes failed to perceive them?"
Lo! that is very truth the wrangling of the dwellers in the Fire.
SAY ?I am only a warner; and there is no deity whatever save God, the One, who holds absolute sway over all that exists,
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So.... You're tryna say I'm LAUGHING at the Qur'an?? Do not insult me.
I'm laughing at you! But you clearly can't take a joke. Don't ever think I'm laughing at God... I would do no such damn thing! I'm seriously insulted that you can quote such a verse to me and imply that I'm laughing at God's words. How sickening... And you complain of others of a sense of humour??????????
I did not mean to insult you by those verses, or even this one
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When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!I laugh at God! I laugh at myself too, please don't be angry at me! Feel free to laugh at me, I know you are laughing at me and not laughing at God, but I laugh at God, I laugh lots at God, God is the Humor, the Joker, the creator of all Jest, the giver of laughter
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and that it is He alone who causes to laugh and to weep;I laugh at God's word, and the Qur'an and at God, and at myself, I am sorry if you feel insulted, I was not insulting you, it is me who is the mocker, the jester, the clown, it is me who is being made a fool in front of those who see it, so do not feel angry at me, you are putting me to shame!
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Perhaps jinn dude (that's definitely your nickname from now on ignore) I'm not explaining myself properly. Yes I know God can do WHATEVER! It can completely turn everything on the opposite side! This time tomorrow we COULD be living where we have to walk on our heads! I do not believe this will happen but God is capable of all things. Yes I "fear" God can do anything. But I also take a lot of credit and joy hearing God say to use LOGIC and ReASON! Is it "logically" in our realm to see earth move double the speed by tomorrow? Is it logical to walk in the street naked??? Is it logical or reasonable to slap each person you walk past?? I highly doubt I will do these things tomorrow as I'm quite sure that these things will not be made as good deeds from when they were bad deeds!!! But yes, I am fully aware (don't know how many times I must say this) that God can do whatever it wills. I think we are diverting from the point. I was merely questioning if the creator will do such a thing based on what we know about it in the Qur'an.
Lol and yes pikachu is awesome P but besides the point, what you're saying is that anything can happen to that north Korean. Good I'm glad you say that, so yes there is a possibility of the north Korean not going hell, however it is only if they see the truth? What is that truth then? Say he believes that God is a third of three all his life and was never told otherwise and even if he was he denied it. What is someone's fate when denying it? It goes deeper than this. We are told to NEVER acknowledge anything unless we know it for a fact and have solid evidence. What is solid evidence? How do we know God is not a third of 3? Of course I don't believe this, but what do they use to confirm this? A man can walk into my house saying he is a prophet of God and tell me God is 10! On what basis to I believe him? Do you know what basis? Look around you. What evidence is there that God is 10 or any number? None. What evidence is there that God is one? That is also a question. I believe if we look around we can say "something" made this universe. What is God again? The One. The "thing" that is inside the universes and outside. It is everything. It is. If it is everything, how is one partnering with God by worshipping statues n crap? Aren't those statues also God? Isn't that flower God or that door God? Is not everything God in that case?
I'm kinda going at bit far on the philosophical side of things but I think you may get where I'm going with this...
Is there a difference between someone who is ignorant (I.e. ALL of us at one point!!) And someone who knows the truth but denies it?
Is there not a difference between someone who says 2+2=5 and someone who doesn't know the concept of 2+2??? They get condemned in the same manner? Is that logical? Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning our understanding of God - mine AND yours!!
God forbid baby rape becomesa good deed. If God ever led any of us to that I would terminate my life irrespective of what happens to me! Such a great transgression. I couldn't possibly imagine that bad reversed to good!!
But I get what you mean. jedi
Good questions, sorry to intervene,
The idol worshipping and partnering is wrongly understood by many,
my beliefs on those,Idolizing is exceeding the limit or going far away from balancing our reliance, Say If I am adamant that Quran gives us all the teachings and forget about God's other signs of warnings then its idolizing. For everything there is a limit of value and applications, and Quran too have.
Partnering is thinking there are many God for different people, But thinking one God has many forms or many signs cannot be considered as partnering. Partnering will take us away from the path of universal goodness. think about a family where each one has different belief of whats Good for the family, the same thing would apply right for an individual upto the total world. Theres one common goodness and IT by itself would take care of that since we individuals are powerless.
Now If a muslim says, My God is not your God then its simple partnering.My God is your God but my ways will always will be different from yours.
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Sooooooooo.... Every single question I ask... All I'm gonna get is "Allah wills whatever it wills."
Fair enough I give up lol. No point continuing. A person can be the loveliest nicest goodie twoshoes on the planet and Allah will say "meh I changed my mind you are going hell muhahaha!!!"
Allah to me is not like that... Allah is logical in the laws set for US. Allah knows logic and no logic but is just! These are not partners - it is a fact that Allah is just! Or do you say Allah is unjust? Do you say Allah is logical but then it is illogical? Nay... Allah CAN be whatever but we have been given inspiration from God to have an IDEA of how Allah works and Allah insists on logic and reason justice compassion etc!!
Does Allah follow LOGIC or does LOGIC follow ALLAH? Who creates LOGIC, and WHO can change it, and may have changed it at any time and put the memories in you that make you think it was always so? Does Allah know something that exists already, or IS ALLAH THE CREATOR OF IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT THE DISCOVERER OR IT, NOT THE ONE WHO "KNOWS BECAUSE IT WAS THERE" BUT "KNOWS BECAUSE HE MADE IT"?
Does Allah follow after you and lay out the path ahead of your desires, upholding your decisions and wherever you step, Allah follows as your servant, laying forth the carpet for you? No, Allah is the one who leads you on, but Allah says they won't even be able to know it!
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Would He who created (it in the first place) not know (it isn't God following logic, it is following God)? And He is The Subtle, The Aware.
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Can you ever feel secure that He who is in heaven will not cause the earth to swallow you up when, lo and behold, it begins to quake?
Or can you ever feel secure that He who is in heaven will not let loose against you a deadly stormwind, whereupon you would come to know how My warning was?
And, indeed, those who lived aforetime did give the lie and how awesome was My rejection!
Have they, then, never beheld the birds above them, spreading their wings and drawing them in? None but the Most Gracious upholds them for, verily, He keeps all things in His sight.
Or who is it that will be a host for you to assist you besides the Beneficent Allah? The unbelievers are only in deception.
Or who is he that will provide for you if He should withhold His providence? Nay, but they are set in pride and frowardness.
What! is he who goes prone upon his face better guided or he who walks upright upon a straight path?
Say He it is Who brought you into being and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts little is it that you give thanks.
Say "It is He who has multiplied you on earth; and it is unto Him that you shall be gathered ."
And they say When (will) this promise (be fulfilled), if ye are truthful?
Say thou, "Knowledge thereof rests with God alone; and I am only a plain warner."
Yet in the end, when they shall see that close at hand, the faces of those who were bent on denying the truth will be stricken with grief; and they will be told, "This it is that you were calling for!"
Say "Do you see If God annihilates me and those with me, or He bestows mercy upon us, who is there to protect the disbelievers from a painful retribution"
Say He is the Beneficent Allah, we believe in Him and on Him do we rely, so you shall come to know who it is that is in clear error.
Say Have ye thought If (all) your water were to disappear into the earth, who then could bring you gushing water?5657
It is We Who have created you why will ye not witness the Truth?1016
Say If Allah had so willed I should not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. I dwelt among you a whole lifetime before it (came to me). Have ye then no sense?
Who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie concerning Allah and denieth His revelations? Lo! the guilty never are successful.
They worship beside Allah that which neither hurteth them nor profiteth them, and they say These are our intercessors with Allah. Say Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth? Praised be He and High Exalted above all that ye associate (with Him)!2143
And thus have We willed you to be a community of the middle way, so that you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind, and that the Apostle might bear witness to it before you. And it is only to the end that We might make a clear distinction between those who follow the Apostle and those who turn about on their heels that We have appointed the direction of prayer which thou hast formerly observed for this was indeed a hard test for all but those whom God has guided aright. But God will surely not lose sight of your faith-for, behold, God is most compassionate towards man, a dispenser of grace.
We have seen thee often turn thy face towards heaven and now We shall indeed make thee turn in prayer in a direction which will fulfil thy desire. Turn, then, thy face towards the Inviolable House of Worship; and wherever you all may be, turn your faces towards it . And, verily, those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime know well that this comes in truth from their Sustainer; and God is not unaware of what they do.
And yet, even if thou wert to place all evidence before those who have been vouchsafed earlier revelation, they would not follow thy direction of prayer; and neither mayest thou follow their direction of prayer, nor even do they follow one another's direction. And if thou shouldst follow their errant views after all the knowledge that has come unto thee thou wouldst surely be among the evildoers.548
And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ. -
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Harmony be with you sushi,
Regarding the Christian dogma and doctrine; it is just what it says, i.e. dogma. Christian people are simply so brainwashed so no other alternative emerges in their brains and they trust the clerics who stand for these claims regarding Jesus. They accept because the grand majority of people who adhere to this faith/religion acknowledges Jesus as the literal son of God more than any own rational thinking.
It is difficult to judge whether these Christians will go to Hell, but it should also be noted that mainstream interpretations of Quran carry a huge quantity of errors. Not because the original Arabic is changed, but because apparently someone or some people could not interpret it properly in the past.
Christians are wrong about their faith on the matter of Jesus' relationship to God. An expression that caused people to be confused is "I am in the Father and the Father is in me", which should rather be understood as "I am in the Creator and the Creator is in me", as according to the Quranic teaching of spiritual assimilation with God. Jesus avoided using the word God for a solid reason and that is to remove emphasis on the stereotypical image of God. The claims by Jesus in the Biblical Gospels are generally authentic, but are lacking in the way they are interpreted. God IS technically the father of Jesus since he has no other father and it was the Holy Spirit who shaped the fetus of Jesus in Mary's body.
However as you see that Quran says "son of Mary" is rhetorical and it wishes to draw the attention away from the error in understanding that Jesus is more son of God than any other person who has spiritual ascension. Son is a poor term probably but the real intention in the text should have been "Creator and Creation". When God allegedly speaks down from Heaven in the Bible it is probably supposed to say "this is my creation in which I am pleased".
Have faith
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Harmony be with you sushi,
Regarding the Christian dogma and doctrine; it is just what it says, i.e. dogma. Christian people are simply so brainwashed so no other alternative emerges in their brains and they trust the clerics who stand for these claims regarding Jesus. They accept because the grand majority of people who adhere to this faith/religion acknowledges Jesus as the literal son of God more than any own rational thinking.
It is difficult to judge whether these Christians will go to Hell, but it should also be noted that mainstream interpretations of Quran carry a huge quantity of errors. Not because the original Arabic is changed, but because apparently someone or some people could not interpret it properly in the past.
Christians are wrong about their faith on the matter of Jesus' relationship to God. An expression that caused people to be confused is "I am in the Father and the Father is in me", which should rather be understood as "I am in the Creator and the Creator is in me", as according to the Quranic teaching of spiritual assimilation with God. Jesus avoided using the word God for a solid reason and that is to remove emphasis on the stereotypical image of God. The claims by Jesus in the Biblical Gospels are generally authentic, but are lacking in the way they are interpreted. God IS technically the father of Jesus since he has no other father and it was the Holy Spirit who shaped the fetus of Jesus in Mary's body.
However as you see that Quran says "son of Mary" is rhetorical and it wishes to draw the attention away from the error in understanding that Jesus is more son of God than any other person who has spiritual ascension. Son is a poor term probably but the real intention in the text should have been "Creator and Creation". When God allegedly speaks down from Heaven in the Bible it is probably supposed to say "this is my creation in which I am pleased".
Have faith
Please read all of the following, from the bottom up if you will. It clearly shows that God is the one doing it all, all of it is from God, nothing at all is not God's doing, nothing at all is not caused by God, God is doing every single bit of it, even if a person imagines it is themselves it is really God doing it. These verses demonstrate that. You will see it is God who makes people believe, God who makes people disbelieve, God who deforms people, God who burns them, God is responsible for all bad things, God is responsible for all good things, God is the one doing every single aspect, everything that happens is what God is doing, if a person believes and does good it is by God alone making them do it, and if God hardens a person they can never believe, God sends all our thoughts, all delusions, everything is from God alone. Everything means everything (it does not mean some things, or exclude some things like your thoughts or your will or your decisions or your actions, it means everything absolutely), even your so-called will, even your thoughts are manipulated and at the mercy of God, your life, your death, your conduct, every single thing and I have shown you here many verses confirming this from just this Scripture, all the other scriptures also say this. Please read the following completely and with an open mind to make sure your theology falls into place with the scripture, it will give you a scarier and greater realization of what is happening and make you a better devotee of God I think if you are allowed to understand it
2 Corinthians 121
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
1 Corinthians 18
He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 44
Jesus answered, "It is written 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Exodus 411
The LORD said to him, "Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
Romans 919
Well then, you might say, "Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven't they simply done what he makes them do?"
Job 912
If he snatches away, who can stop him? Who can say to him, 'What are you doing?'
Daniel 435
All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him "What have you done?"
2 Thessalonians 211
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
2 Thessalonians 211
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Judges 923
God stirred up animosity between Abimelek and the citizens of Shechem so that they acted treacherously against Abimelek.
Ezekiel 149
"'And if a prophet is deceived into giving a message, it is because I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet. I will lift my fist against such prophets and cut them off from the community of Israel.
1 Kings 2223
"So now the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
2 Chronicles 1822
"So now the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
Isaiah 4513
I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty."
Isaiah 4611
From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.
Isaiah 4815
I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him. I will bring him, and he will succeed in his mission.
Lamentations 115
"The Lord has rejected all the warriors in my midst; he has summoned an army against me to crush my young men. In his winepress the Lord has trampled Virgin Daughter Judah.
Romans 124
For this reason, God delivered them to sexual impurity as they followed the lusts of their hearts and dishonored their bodies with one another.
Romans 126
This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
Romans 128
And because they did not think it worthwhile to acknowledge God, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong.
Job 2316
"It is God who has made my heart faint, And the Almighty who has dismayed me,
Isaiah 457
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.
2 Kings 1925
"'Have you not heard? Long ago I ordained it. In days of old I planned it; now I have brought it to pass, that you have turned fortified cities into piles of stone.
Isaiah 4711
Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you.
Lamentations 338
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?
Nehemiah 75
So my God put it into my heart to assemble the nobles, the officials and the common people for registration by families. I found the genealogical record of those who had been the first to return. This is what I found written there
Proverbs 26
For the LORD gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
2 Corinthians 816
Thanks be to God, who put into the heart of Titus the same concern I have for you.
2 Corinthians 214
But thanks be to God, who always leads us as captives in Christ's triumphal procession and uses us to spread the aroma of the knowledge of him everywhere.
Revelation 1717
For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God's words are fulfilled.
Proverbs 164
The LORD works out everything to its proper end-- even the wicked for a day of disaster.
Ecclesiastes 713
Consider what God has done Who can straighten what he has made crooked?
Ezra 727
Blessed be the LORD, the God of our fathers, who put such a thing as this into the heart of the king, to beautify the house of the LORD that is in Jerusalem,
Exodus 362
And Moses called Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whose heart the LORD had put wisdom, even every one whose heart stirred him up to come unto the work to do it
Isaiah 498
This is what the LORD says "In the time of my favor I will answer you, and in the day of salvation I will help you; I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people, to restore the land and to reassign its desolate inheritances,
Isaiah 659
I will bring forth descendants from Jacob, and from Judah those who will possess my mountains; my chosen people will inherit them, and there will my servants live.
Ezekiel 3626
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
Job 210
He replied, "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.
Jeremiah 3242
"This is what the LORD says As I have brought all this great calamity on this people, so I will give them all the prosperity I have promised them.
Psalm 399
I was silent; I would not open my mouth, for you are the one who has done this.
Ecclesiastes 714
When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider this God has made the one as well as the other. Therefore, no one can discover anything about their future.
1 Kings 1114
Then the LORD raised up against Solomon an adversary, Hadad the Edomite, from the royal line of Edom.
1 Kings 1123
And God raised up against Solomon another adversary, Rezon son of Eliada, who had fled from his master, Hadadezer king of Zobah.
Ezra 15
Then God stirred the hearts of the priests and Levites and the leaders of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin to go to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple of the LORD.
Haggai 114
So the LORD stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and the spirit of Joshua son of Jozadak, the high priest, and the spirit of the whole remnant of the people. They came and began to work on the house of the LORD Almighty, their God,
Isaiah 412
"Who has stirred up one from the east, calling him in righteousness to his service? He hands nations over to him and subdues kings before him. He turns them to dust with his sword, to windblown chaff with his bow.
Romans 920
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"
Isaiah 459
"Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'The potter has no hands'?
Isaiah 648
Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.
Jeremiah 186
He said, "Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?" declares the LORD. "Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel.
Romans 921
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
Romans 144
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Romans 918
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Exodus 421
The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
Exodus 73
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt,
Exodus 912
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.
Exodus 101
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them
Exodus 1020
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.
Exodus 1027
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go.
Exodus 1110
Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.
Exodus 144
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD." So the Israelites did this.
Exodus 1417
I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they will go in after them. And I will gain glory through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen.
Deuteronomy 230
But Sihon king of Heshbon refused to let us pass through. For the LORD your God had made his spirit stubborn and his heart obstinate in order to give him into your hands, as he has now done.
Joshua 1120
For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the LORD had commanded Moses.
John 1240
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."
Romans 916
It does not, therefore, depend on human will or effort, but on God's mercy.
Ephesians 28
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
Romans 915
For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
Romans 917
For Scripture says to Pharaoh "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
Exodus 916
But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.
Jeremiah 1016
But the God of Israel is no idol! He is the Creator of everything that exists, including Israel, his own special possession. The LORD of Heaven's Armies is his name!
Jeremiah 5119
But the God of Israel is no idol! He is the Creator of everything that exists, including his people, his own special possession. The LORD of Heaven's Armies is his name!
Acts 424
When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.
Nehemiah 96
You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
Acts 1415
"Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
Revelation 106
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!
Isaiah 4424
"This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,
Isaiah 4314
This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel "For your sake I will send to Babylon and bring down as fugitives all the Babylonians, in the ships in which they took pride.
Zechariah 121
A prophecy The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares
Isaiah 4424
This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer and Creator "I am the LORD, who made all things. I alone stretched out the heavens. Who was with me when I made the earth?
Isaiah 4518
For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says "I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Proverbs 305
Every word of God proves true. He is a shield to all who come to him for protection
Deuteronomy 83
Yes, he humbled you by making you go hungry and then feeding you with manna, a food previously unknown to you and your ancestors. He did it to teach you that people do not live by bread alone; rather, we live by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
Romans 830
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
1 Corinthians 27
but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
Isaiah 2612
LORD, you establish peace for us; all that we have accomplished you have done for us.
Isaiah 251
O LORD, you are my God! I will exalt you in praise, I will extol your fame. For you have done extraordinary things, and executed plans made long ago exactly as you decreed.
Psalm 405
Many, LORD my God, are the wonders you have done, the things you planned for us. None can compare with you; were I to speak and tell of your deeds, they would be too many to declare.
Ephesians 111
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Ephesians 15
he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--
Philippians 213
for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Romans 814
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
Jeremiah 152
And if they ask you, 'Where shall we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says "'Those destined for death, to death; those for the sword, to the sword; those for starvation, to starvation; those for captivity, to captivity.'
Jeremiah 164
"They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like dung lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds and the wild animals."
Jeremiah 2410
I will send the sword, famine and plague against them until they are destroyed from the land I gave to them and their ancestors.'"
Jeremiah 4311
He will come and attack Egypt, bringing death to those destined for death, captivity to those destined for captivity, and the sword to those destined for the sword.
Ezekiel 512
A third of your people will die of the plague or perish by famine inside you; a third will fall by the sword outside your walls; and a third I will scatter to the winds and pursue with drawn sword.
Ezekiel 1211
Say to them, 'I am a sign to you.' "As I have done, so it will be done to them. They will go into exile as captives.
Ezekiel 3327
"Say this to them 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says As surely as I live, those who are left in the ruins will fall by the sword, those out in the country I will give to the wild animals to be devoured, and those in strongholds and caves will die of a plague.
Zechariah 119
So I said, ?I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.?
Revelation 1310
Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison. Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword. This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently and remain faithful.
Isaiah 485
Therefore I told you these things long ago; before they happened I announced them to you so that you could not say, 'My images brought them about; my wooden image and metal god ordained them.'
Isaiah 448
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
Job 122
In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.
Job 1910
He tears me down on every side till I am gone; he uproots my hope like a tree.
Job 1214
What he tears down cannot be rebuilt; those he imprisons cannot be released.
Job 377
So that everyone he has made may know his work, he stops all people from their labor.
Job 1215
If he holds back the waters, there is drought; if he lets them loose, they devastate the land.
Job 1216
To him belong strength and insight; both deceived and deceiver are his.
Job 1217
He leads rulers away stripped and makes fools of judges.
Job 1219
He leads priests away stripped and overthrows officials long established.
Job 1220
He silences the lips of trusted advisers and takes away the discernment of elders.
Job 174
You have closed their minds to understanding; therefore you will not let them triumph.
Job 1222
He reveals the deep things of darkness and brings utter darkness into the light.
Job 1223
He makes nations great, and destroys them; he enlarges nations, and disperses them.
Job 1224
He deprives the leaders of the earth of their reason; he makes them wander in a trackless waste.
Job 1225
They grope in darkness with no light; he makes them stagger like drunkards.
Job 3836
Who gives the ibis wisdom or gives the rooster understanding?
Job 3839
"Do you hunt the prey for the lioness and satisfy the hunger of the lions
Job 3841
Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?
Job 3917
for God did not endow her with wisdom or give her a share of good sense.
Job 3926
"Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom and spread its wings toward the south?
Job 3927
Does the eagle soar at your command and build its nest on high?
Job 4014
Then I myself will admit to you that your own right hand can save you.
Job 4111
Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.
Romans 1135
"Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?"
1 Corinthians 1026
for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."
Deuteronomy 1014
To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.
Job 95
He moves mountains without their knowing it and overturns them in his anger.
Job 422
"I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
Job 423
You asked, 'Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?' Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
Job 427
After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.
Job 428
So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has."
God does everything, and if you read Job you will understand that as well. God is the tormentor, the cause of disease, the deceived and the deceiver are his doing, he is the cause of all delusion, we are at the mercy of God, God can in an instant turn us away and destroy us, and God answers to no authority, God does whatever God wants to do. So please don't ignore the scripture, please understand that there is nothing but God's will in action, you can not do anything, it is God doing it all ultimately.
Job 932
"God is not a mortal like me, so I cannot argue with him or take him to trial.Job 934
The mediator could make God stop beating me, and I would no longer live in terror of his punishment.Job 935
Then I could speak to him without fear, but I cannot do that in my own strength.Job 107
though you know that I am not guilty and that no one can rescue me from your hand?Job 108
"'You formed me with your hands; you made me, yet now you completely destroy me.Job 922
It is all the same; that is why I say, 'He destroys both the blameless and the wicked.' -
If God encapsules the sun, moon, sea, land etc, then what are we told to believe in?
If I am wrong, May I stand corrected.
Peace
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He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in truth. In the day when He saith Be! it is. His Word is the Truth (whatever Allah says becomes the "truth", and His will be the Sovereignty on the day when the trumpet is blown. Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, He is the Wise, the Aware.
And when Ibrahim said to his sire, Azar Do you take idols for gods? Surely I see you and your people in manifest error.
And thus We gave Abraham insight into mighty dominion over the heavens and the earth - and to the end that he become one of those who attain certainty.
When the night grew dark upon him he beheld a star. He said This is my Lord. But when it set, he said I love not things that set.
And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed This is my Lord. But when it set, he said Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall be one of the folk who are astray.
When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said "This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all)." But when the sun set, he said "O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him."
And his people argued with him. He said "Do you argue with me about God, when it is He who has guided me? But I do not fear anything to which you ascribe divinity side by side with Him, unless my Sustainer so wills. All things does my Sustainer encompass! will you not, then, keep this in mind?
And why should I fear anything that you worship side by side with Him, seeing that you are not afraid of ascribing divinity to other powers beside God without His ever having bestowed upon you from on high any warrant therefor? then, which of the two parties has a better right to feel secure -if you happen to know ?
"It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with wrong - that are (truly) in security, for they are on (right) guidance."
And this was Our argument which We vouchsafed unto Abraham against his people We do raise by degrees whom We will. Verily, thy Sustainer is wise, all-knowing.687
and also some of their forefathers, their offspring, and their brothers We chose them and guided them to a straight path.
Such is God's guidance He guides therewith whomever He wills of His slaves/clients. And had they ascribed divinity to aught beside Him-in vain, indeed, would have been all that they ever did
Those are they unto whom We gave the Scripture and command and prophethood. But if these disbelieve therein, then indeed We shall entrust it to a people who will not be disbelievers therein.
to those whom God has guided. Follow, then, their guidance, say "No reward do I ask of you for this behold, it is but an admonition unto all mankind!"2439
But as for those who are bent on denying the truth, their deeds are like a mirage in the desert, which the thirsty supposes to be water ? until, when he approaches it, he finds that it was nothing instead, he finds God with him, and He will pay him his account in full - for God is swift in reckoning!1673
and will they worship, instead of God, something that has it not within its power to provide for them any sustenance whatever from the heavens or the earth, and can do nothing at all?
Allah sets forth a parable (consider) a slave, the property of another, (who) has no power over anything, and one whom We have granted from Ourselves a goodly sustenance so he spends from it secretly and openly; are the two alike? (All) praise is due to Allah! Nay, most of them do not know.3786
"Is it a falsehood- gods other than Allah- that ye desire?
What, then, do you think of the Sustainer of all the worlds??
Then he cast a glance at the stars,
Then said Lo! I feel sick!3796
the while it is God who has created you and all your handiwork??3799
And said ?Verily, I shall go wherever my Sustainer will take me!? -
May I point out to you that there are NO verses in the Qur'an that say ignorant people "will be thrown into hell". Your assumptions are painful.
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And most certainly have We destined for hell many of the jinn and men; who have hearts with which they fail to grasp the truth, and eyes with which they fail to see, and ears with which they fail to hear. They are like cattle -nay, they are even less conscious of the right way it is they, they who are the heedless!7155
And Moses chose of his people seventy men for Our appointed tryst and, when the trembling came on them, he said My Lord! If Thou hadst willed Thou hadst destroyed them long before, and me with them. Wilt thou destroy us for that which the ignorant among us did? It is but Thy Proving. Thou sendest whom Thou wilt astray and guidest whom Thou wilt Thou art our Protector, therefore forgive us and have mercy on us, Thou, the Best of all who show forgiveness.
And ordain Thou for us what is good in this world as well as in the life to come behold, unto Thee have we turned in repentance!" answered "With My chastisement do I afflict whom I will - but My grace overspreads everything and so I shall confer it on those who are conscious of Me and spend in charity, and who believe in Our messages-
Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him they are the successful.
Say "O mankind! Verily, I am an apostle of God to all of you, unto whom the dominion over the heavens and the earth belongs! There is no deity save Him; He grants life and deals death!" Believe, then, in God and His Apostle-the unlettered Prophet who believes in God and His words-and follow him, so that you might find guidance!213
When someone tells them "Believe just as other people believe," they say "Are we to believe just as simpletons believe?" Surely they are the fools even though they do not realize it! -
Have faith Freedom,
I do not understand where you get the notion that I do not acknowledge that God runs everything?
God is existence itself and the flesh is an expression of that existence (energy). Hence God sustains the universe and through this phenomenon the platform is God, so it is right to say that is the doer of everything technically. But the physical creation is an illusion and a test and is not the real realm of God even if it is sustained by God. The purpose of man with their souls is to reject the flesh and approach the spiritual realm. It is on a highly abstract level and it is difficult for materialistically inclined people to grasp the concept. It is talk about a kind of union like a symbiosis with the Creator that is the aim and this is through assimilation and spiritual affinity.
But if a man has spiritual ascension or not it depends wholly on whether the he/she has the right approach to life and the responsibility is on man himself. Through your mistaken conception then you indirectly blames God and it is God's fault that people do not "believe" as you call it. It is entirely a personal matter whether you have faith or not and we are responsible for our own souls.
It clearly shows that God is the one doing it all, all of it is from God, nothing at all is not God's doing, nothing at all is not caused by God, God is doing every single bit of it, even if a person imagines it is themselves it is really God doing it. These verses demonstrate that. You will see it is God who makes people believe, God who makes people disbelieve, God who deforms people, God who burns them, God is responsible for all bad things, God is responsible for all good things, God is the one doing every single aspect, everything that happens is what God is doing, if a person believes and does good it is by God alone making them do it, and if God hardens a person they can never believe, God sends all our thoughts, all delusions, everything is from God alone.
You make a logical error in these claims.
Plus you give a factual error even in sectarian measures since traditional translations claim that the bad is from ourselves while the good is from God.
I am fully aware of the sectarian perception of Islam and I am propagating against it by researching on it myself on a morpheme level and also by pointing out logical errors and inconsistency in the mainstream interpretation. My understanding and work is difficult for me of course because when I discover an error somewhere in the understanding of an individual word I have masses of work because I cause a chain reaction throughout the whole scripture and it often appears I am wrong because this work creates incomprehension in current translations/interpretations. I must both argue the new discovery plus turn erroneous passages right or else no one will believe me. It is a tedious task.
But unless you change the perception and method in your approach to Qur'an then this talk about my discoveries is obviously futile. You rely heavily on available dictionaries apparently oblivious to the probability that they are biased and inaccurate. And I discovered a method of exposing false/incorrect interpretations by realizing that Arabic (as well as Hebrew) is based on a letter system which creates its words right out of the very letters. The order and combination of letters utilized in an Arabic word determines its meaning, plus the attached affixes which modifies the word but still based on the innate meaning of the letters. And exclusively all Arabic words work out from a trilateral root unless they are less sophisticated. Each "slot" where the letter occurs in the trilateral word gives a different feature to the final definition of the word.
and , for example, contain the exact same letters but in a different order and the order is very important for the meaning.
What led me to this conclusion about the innate letter meaning was the so-called Quranic initials, particularly in chapter 38 and 68 the letters are followed by a conjunction indicating that the first letter is supposed to carry its own meaning in the context.
Of course most people reject this as whims and desires, but it has helped me tremendously in understanding individual Arabic words. I argue that I can get a more or less 100% accurate definition using this technique. And Arabic words do only have one meaning compared to the mainstream scholars argue that they can have a handful of meanings.
I was looking at the word last night and its occurrences and I can tell it does not have to do at all with some hidden garden since the word is used for any perceived garden in the discourse. While it does not give relationship to the Jinn word, it still shows that you cannot justify 'hidden' using Jannaat. I cannot but make a qualified guess at this time, but it appears that the Jinn word refers to someone who is fleshly/earthly, probably due to that they cannot see more than their eyes can see. It could be why the garden is referred to by the same root usage due to the function and features of a garden. You may be right that the word does not directly mean faithless even if the person who is jinn is indirectly faithless. The literal translation of the two letters in combination is 'lowly entity' but it could probably also be understood as 'earthbound entity', i.e. someone who is attached to the fleshly illusion of this world.
I sense that you are not open to this discussion, but perhaps someone else is and reads this. It is too abstract and farfetched for most people it seems.
Commentary about your posted passages
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
Why do you think I argue against this notion?
1 Corinthians 18
He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.This is true, but you have to give your own efforts as well. You do not enjoy a free-ride. Although I dispute the authenticity of the Corinthians part of the New Testament.
Matthew 44
Jesus answered, "It is written 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"If you understood this passage you would understand that it speaks of avoiding materialism. Satan is tempting Jesus to indulge in the flesh.
Exodus 411
The LORD said to him, "Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?Who would argue this notion but fools?
Romans 919
Well then, you might say, "Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven't they simply done what he makes them do?"It is a rhetorical question.
2 Thessalonians 211
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lieAnd the curse is due to your behavior and spiritual neglect. How many are not the sectarian Muslims who believe in a Pagan-style religion?
Judges 923
God stirred up animosity between Abimelek and the citizens of Shechem so that they acted treacherously against Abimelek.Yes. And do you understand how? The people were probably jinns and very fleshly and the energy that the universe is made from is in ultimate control by God. Controlling these people are like controlling animals, i.e. easy, without intending to be insulting. I mean if you indulge and live a life in the flesh you succumb to it.
I was intending to answer many passages, but I noticed that you parroted so many of them.
I am still curious of how you (ab)use this to say God is responsible for everything. It is a logical error and it innately puts the blame on God and also we are living this live redundantly, i.e. it is meaningless. God is the foundation and responsible for the "platform", but we are responsible for what we do with it. You have the responsibility yourself for spiritual growth and attaining faith. No one will do that for you, not even God.
Please read the following completely and with an open mind to make sure your theology falls into place with the scripture, it will give you a scarier and greater realization of what is happening and make you a better devotee of God I think if you are allowed to understand it
By this I take it that you consider yourself better spiritually "guided" than I? Thanks for your efforts anyway. But I think you are unfocused on the essence of faith and what emphasis to have. And you misrepresent Jesus since that man was stern against Paganism and formed his expressions based on this to avoid misunderstanding the nature of God. And since he was in assimilation/symbiosis with God he said "My words are not my own but of the one who sent me". The reason why he avoided using the word God (Elohim in his language) was due to this fact and he used Father instead which is supposed to indicate Creator. Jesus was fully aware of the "commandments" which says that "you should not make an image of anything in Heaven or Earth and use it in worship". It includes any image you paint in your mind to represent God. And what Jesus taught was spiritual assimilation and he emphasized on the symbiotic relationship between Creator and Creation.
Salaam
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And most certainly have We destined for hell many of the jinn and men; who have hearts with which they fail to grasp the truth, and eyes with which they fail to see, and ears with which they fail to hear. They are like cattle -nay, they are even less conscious of the right way it is they, they who are the heedless!The question is what they failed to see. If you want my cent it talks about being a good person and spiritually ascended that these people fail with.
Thou sendest whom Thou wilt astray and guidest whom Thou wilt
You need to comprehend what the language means before making claims. The word for guide rather means guidance/affiliation/proximity, and if you are void of that you are astray, i.e. away from God. If one is not assimilated with the spirit of God then the consequence of this is disassociation from God. And God is not with such people.
And being not close to God is by indulging in the flesh, following instincts and misbehaving. Quite easy to grasp. You rather follow the Beast.
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When someone tells them "Believe just as other people believe," they say "Are we to believe just as simpletons believe?" Surely they are the fools even though they do not realize it!This passage is awfully mistranslated/misinterpreted, but anyway; it says "have affinity as people have affinity", i.e. follow the 'Commandments' (which I call 'Guidelines' and not seek to be a jinn and completely absorbed in this life.
Have faith
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Harmony be with you sushi,
If God encapsules the sun, moon, sea, land etc, then what are we told to believe in?
If I am wrong, May I stand corrected.
Peace
Believe in good, gain a spiritual assimilation and affinity with your Creator and act thereafter. You cannot fathom God. Just see it as existence itself.
Have faith
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Have faith Freedom,
I do not understand where you get the notion that I do not acknowledge that God runs everything?
God is existence itself and the flesh is an expression of that existence (energy). Hence God sustains the universe and through this phenomenon the platform is God, so it is right to say that is the doer of everything technically. But the physical creation is an illusion and a test and is not the real realm of God even if it is sustained by God. The purpose of man with their souls is to reject the flesh and approach the spiritual realm. It is on a highly abstract level and it is difficult for materialistically inclined people to grasp the concept. It is talk about a kind of union like a symbiosis with the Creator that is the aim and this is through assimilation and spiritual affinity.
But if a man has spiritual ascension or not it depends wholly on whether the he/she has the right approach to life and the responsibility is on man himself. Through your mistaken conception then you indirectly blames God and it is God's fault that people do not "believe" as you call it. It is entirely a personal matter whether you have faith or not and we are responsible for our own souls.
You make a logical error in these claims.
Plus you give a factual error even in sectarian measures since traditional translations claim that the bad is from ourselves while the good is from God.
I am fully aware of the sectarian perception of Islam and I am propagating against it by researching on it myself on a morpheme level and also by pointing out logical errors and inconsistency in the mainstream interpretation. My understanding and work is difficult for me of course because when I discover an error somewhere in the understanding of an individual word I have masses of work because I cause a chain reaction throughout the whole scripture and it often appears I am wrong because this work creates incomprehension in current translations/interpretations. I must both argue the new discovery plus turn erroneous passages right or else no one will believe me. It is a tedious task.
But unless you change the perception and method in your approach to Qur'an then this talk about my discoveries is obviously futile. You rely heavily on available dictionaries apparently oblivious to the probability that they are biased and inaccurate. And I discovered a method of exposing false/incorrect interpretations by realizing that Arabic (as well as Hebrew) is based on a letter system which creates its words right out of the very letters. The order and combination of letters utilized in an Arabic word determines its meaning, plus the attached affixes which modifies the word but still based on the innate meaning of the letters. And exclusively all Arabic words work out from a trilateral root unless they are less sophisticated. Each "slot" where the letter occurs in the trilateral word gives a different feature to the final definition of the word.
and , for example, contain the exact same letters but in a different order and the order is very important for the meaning.
What led me to this conclusion about the innate letter meaning was the so-called Quranic initials, particularly in chapter 38 and 68 the letters are followed by a conjunction indicating that the first letter is supposed to carry its own meaning in the context.
Of course most people reject this as whims and desires, but it has helped me tremendously in understanding individual Arabic words. I argue that I can get a more or less 100% accurate definition using this technique. And Arabic words do only have one meaning compared to the mainstream scholars argue that they can have a handful of meanings.
I was looking at the word last night and its occurrences and I can tell it does not have to do at all with some hidden garden since the word is used for any perceived garden in the discourse. While it does not give relationship to the Jinn word, it still shows that you cannot justify 'hidden' using Jannaat. I cannot but make a qualified guess at this time, but it appears that the Jinn word refers to someone who is fleshly/earthly, probably due to that they cannot see more than their eyes can see. It could be why the garden is referred to by the same root usage due to the function and features of a garden. You may be right that the word does not directly mean faithless even if the person who is jinn is indirectly faithless. The literal translation of the two letters in combination is 'lowly entity' but it could probably also be understood as 'earthbound entity', i.e. someone who is attached to the fleshly illusion of this world.
I sense that you are not open to this discussion, but perhaps someone else is and reads this. It is too abstract and farfetched for most people it seems.
Commentary about your posted passages
Why do you think I argue against this notion?
This is true, but you have to give your own efforts as well. You do not enjoy a free-ride. Although I dispute the authenticity of the Corinthians part of the New Testament.
If you understood this passage you would understand that it speaks of avoiding materialism. Satan is tempting Jesus to indulge in the flesh.
Who would argue this notion but fools?
It is a rhetorical question.
And the curse is due to your behavior and spiritual neglect. How many are not the sectarian Muslims who believe in a Pagan-style religion?
Yes. And do you understand how? The people were probably jinns and very fleshly and the energy that the universe is made from is in ultimate control by God. Controlling these people are like controlling animals, i.e. easy, without intending to be insulting. I mean if you indulge and live a life in the flesh you succumb to it.
I was intending to answer many passages, but I noticed that you parroted so many of them.
I am still curious of how you (ab)use this to say God is responsible for everything. It is a logical error and it innately puts the blame on God and also we are living this live redundantly, i.e. it is meaningless. God is the foundation and responsible for the "platform", but we are responsible for what we do with it. You have the responsibility yourself for spiritual growth and attaining faith. No one will do that for you, not even God.
By this I take it that you consider yourself better spiritually "guided" than I? Thanks for your efforts anyway. But I think you are unfocused on the essence of faith and what emphasis to have. And you misrepresent Jesus since that man was stern against Paganism and formed his expressions based on this to avoid misunderstanding the nature of God. And since he was in assimilation/symbiosis with God he said "My words are not my own but of the one who sent me". The reason why he avoided using the word God (Elohim in his language) was due to this fact and he used Father instead which is supposed to indicate Creator. Jesus was fully aware of the "commandments" which says that "you should not make an image of anything in Heaven or Earth and use it in worship". It includes any image you paint in your mind to represent God. And what Jesus taught was spiritual assimilation and he emphasized on the symbiotic relationship between Creator and Creation.
Salaam
I get the notion because you said somewhere earlier that God does not interfere with the "simulation" and implied it "runs on its own" and continue to imply "we do what we will" and that we are the controllers of our actions and determiners of our fate, as if you made yourself born, as if you decide when you die, as if you do anything. Also, if you want to meet your Lord, you can simply end your life, if you have the power to do so. Then you will rid yourself of the flesh you seem to dislike, and you will assimilate with God who is like nothing.
"Plus you give a factual error even in sectarian measures since traditional translations claim that the bad is from ourselves while the good is from God."
Why don't you do me the honor of reading my posts, or are they too much to read? I apologize for their length, but I've shown
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Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from thee !? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?5343
and that it is He alone who causes to laugh and to weep;10107
If Allah afflicteth thee with some hurt, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his bondmen. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.(Allah controls your hands and yourselves and everything about you, he can make you do evil and bring about harm to yourself.)
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But you cannot will it unless God wills for, behold, God is indeed all-seeing, wise.914
Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.6112
AND THUS it is that against every prophet We have set up as enemies the evil forces from among humans as well as from among jinn that whisper unto one another glittering half-truths meant to delude the mind But they could not do this unless thy Sustainer had so willed stand, therefore, aloof from them and from all their false imagery!
So who said the letter J and the letter N and the letter N again means this, or that the letter J itself means what you say.
Do you know how language works? Why can't you talk to a non-muslim linguist so maybe they can teach you how language actually works.
Words are arbitrary designations of symbols that attach to concepts, the concepts they attach to are the definitions of the word. You don't figure out what the word DOG means by taking a D and saying D means whatever you make it up to mean, and then O and then make up some meaning for O (where do you get these meanings?) and G means this (and make it up from where? Then say "DOG" means what this combination means. No, that is not how language works at all, Dog are letters, letters represent sounds, the combination represent a sound combination for a word, Dog, Dawg, Dogh, the spelling isn't even relevant, it is the definition that is relevant, so if someone says "Dog means the color blue" they have defined that arbitrary set as meaning blue, so then in some language the sound and word Dog can mean blue, based on its definition. Dog has the definition in English of referring habitually to the dog animal, canine, do you understand? If you say "no the D means dirty, the O means Open, the g means gate, Dog means dirty opened gate" people will say, fine, YOU are making that definition for it, in your weird method, but the common folk living in the real world use the term to refer to the canine animal in the English language. This is how language works.
So who tells you what the "J" means and what the N means? and what the N means again? You based your etymology on "Gen" and "Gentile" thinking it is a Hebrew word, it is not a Hebrew word at all, and the root, often transliterated as GNN in Hebrew, has the same meaning as JNN. How do we know what the root refers to? We look at what it has been designated to refer to, language has no inherent meaning, we look at examples of what it has been used to refer to, that is the same as how we understand the word DOG, the word DOG has no meaning, its the definition, people have designated it to refer to that animal, and so you look back to see how people were using it, you don't say that all the books talking about dogs are talking about dirty opened gates because you say so and have discovered some amazing secret by saying each letter has a definition which (you make up, or who makes up?).
Trust me, I don't doubt a word you say, I believe every word you say is from God and that you are probably genuinely convinced of this "discovery" thus is God's power over you infinitely strong, even if you don't realize it
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Leave Me (to deal) with those who give the lie to this pronouncement. We shall lead them on by steps from whence they know not.7182
And those who deny Our revelations - step by step We lead them on from whence they know not.16101
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.8129
But ye shall not will except as Allah wills,- the Cherisher of the Worlds.1839
And "Alas, if thou hadst but said, on entering thy garden, `Whatever God wills there is no power save with God!' Although, as thou seest, I have less wealth and offspring than thou,