Christians will be punished and are wicked???...
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Mateeee no-one is getting angry mannn!!! I'm not angry, however your posts do make my eyes bleed. Paragraphing and bitesize chunks is always recommended .
I agree with you up to a certain degree but I'm referring to your lack of knowledge in regards to the Qur'an, not your general understanding - your knowledge on the actual meanings of the Qur'an (in my opinion which is an opinion) is poor, partly because I've studied it for a few years and I know half the verses you say and half of what you write yourself (I.e. worshipping Allah when really you should be serving a creator... The creator is not a deity to worship).
No one is getting angry dude... Trust me it takes much more than that to get me angry. I was saying our discussion is inherently pointless as you don't understand what I'm saying.
If you really want to know what I'm on about, give this article a read if you have some spare time which it looks like you do...
Perhaps you may understand my point of view after this.
http//www.free-minds.org/free-choice
Peace.
It isn't inherently pointless to me, because guess what! I am learning from you (adapting). So it may be pointless to you, if you're getting nothing out of it, but I'm getting LOTS out of this, I mean LOTS, and I am so grateful for that.
So if you're annoyed with what you may deem my provocation in the form of posts which make your eyes bleed, lets turn the tables, I come to you as a humble student now, and I wish for you, Good (Pokemon) Master, Sifu, to inform me of some things, by your great wisdom which you have thus acquired of the Qur'an from "having studied it for a few years".
How do you "serve" what has no needs? Oh mighty one, full of knowledge and many filled (Pokemon) balls. Is it perhaps, oh daring one of great choice, that you might be getting arbitrarily hung up on words? What does, Oh tremendous shaker of (Pokemon) balls, "worship" and "serve" mean to you? In my ignorance, oh decider between Squirtle and abra, I deemed that such would mean surrender, and the other would similarly mean the activities of a slave who does whatever the master commands, bound and fettered to the will of the master, pulled up when the master commands. Do you deem it instead, oh vast pocketed one, that you somehow give something to the one who is free of needs?
Educate me please! I would love to know about your deen, and I am learning, even if you are not learning, oh Judger of Balls (with Pokemon inside)!
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I would think it is disastrous to remove the guilt from oneself over deeds that are not so good and instead say that God is responsible for them, mostly for one's own spiritual struggle to improve oneself.
Salaam
You can't remove the guilt, Allah is the one who placed it on you if it is there. I am not telling people to not improve or work hard, I am only talking about the higher reality. In the mundane world it is obvious we are working hard and must strive to do good.
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It isn't inherently pointless to me, because guess what! I am learning from you (adapting). So it may be pointless to you, if you're getting nothing out of it, but I'm getting LOTS out of this, I mean LOTS, and I am so grateful for that.
So if you're annoyed with what you may deem my provocation in the form of posts which make your eyes bleed, lets turn the tables, I come to you as a humble student now, and I wish for you, Good (Pokemon) Master, Sifu, to inform me of some things, by your great wisdom which you have thus acquired of the Qur'an from "having studied it for a few years".
How do you "serve" what has no needs? Oh mighty one, full of knowledge and many filled (Pokemon) balls. Is it perhaps, oh daring one of great choice, that you might be getting arbitrarily hung up on words? What does, Oh tremendous shaker of (Pokemon) balls, "worship" and "serve" mean to you? In my ignorance, oh decider between Squirtle and abra, I deemed that such would mean surrender, and the other would similarly mean the activities of a slave who does whatever the master commands, bound and fettered to the will of the master, pulled up when the master commands. Do you deem it instead, oh vast pocketed one, that you somehow give something to the one who is free of needs?
Educate me please! I would love to know about your deen, and I am learning, even if you are not learning, oh Judger of Balls (with Pokemon inside)!
Lol you love pokemon don't you! It's been
a while I've had that pic.When I say serve
Definition of serve
perform duties or services for (another person or an organization).When I say serve I mean we perform duties for the creator. These duties only benefit OURSELVES (<- take not on emphasis) not the creator. It needs absolutely nothing from us, it self sustains...
Reason I believe worship is the wrong word to use is because it is usually used towards a deity of some sort. It is also seen a lot when people perform rituals to their deity I.e. worship Mr A by walking round a black "cube" 7 times... You know? P.
(Charizard was my favourite xD)
And it educates me in the sense that it keeps me on my toes.
Apologies for any typos in advance. I write this wearing gloves squeezed between tonnes of people..
Peace
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Lol you love pokemon don't you! It's been
a while I've had that pic.When I say serve
Definition of serve
perform duties or services for (another person or an organization).When I say serve I mean we perform duties for the creator. These duties only benefit OURSELVES (<- take not on emphasis) not the creator. It needs absolutely nothing from us, it self sustains...
Reason I believe worship is the wrong word to use is because it is usually used towards a deity of some sort. It is also seen a lot when people perform rituals to their deity I.e. worship Mr A by walking round a black "cube" 7 times... You know? P.
(Charizard was my favourite xD)
And it educates me in the sense that it keeps me on my toes.
Apologies for any typos in advance. I write this wearing gloves squeezed between tonnes of people..
Peace
Thank you for typing it out while in that situation. I am basically having a similar discussion about words in my Qur'an thread which you should join in on, we're stuck on the first line "In the Name of Allah" and I am making commentary basically that is related to what you are saying.
"worship (n.) Look up worship at Dictionary.com
Old English wor?scip, wur?scip (Anglian), weor?scipe (West Saxon) "condition of being worthy, dignity, glory, distinction, honor, renown," from weor? "worthy" (see worth) + -scipe (see -ship). Sense of "reverence paid to a supernatural or divine being" is first recorded c.1300. The original sense is preserved in the title worshipful "honorable" (c.1300).serve (v.) Look up serve at Dictionary.com
late 12c., "to render habitual obedience to," also "minister, give aid, give help," from Old French servir "to do duty toward, show devotion to; set table, serve at table; offer, provide with," from Latin servire "be a servant, be in service, be enslaved;" figuratively "be devoted; be governed by; comply with; conform; flatter," originally "be a slave," related to servus "slave," perhaps from Etruscan (compare Etruscan proper names Servi, Serve, Latinized as Servius).By c.1200 also as "to be in the service of, perform a service for; attend upon, be personal servant to; be a slave; owe allegiance to; officiate at Mass or other religious rites;" from early 13c. as "set food at table;" mid-14c. as "to wait on (customers)." From late 14c. as "treat (someone or something) in some fashion." To serve (someone) right "to treat as he deserves" is recorded from 1580s.
He no schuld neuer wond
To seruen him fro fot to hondSense of "be useful, be beneficial, be suitable for a purpose or function" is from early 14c.; that of "take the place or meet the needs of, be equal to the task" is from late 14c.; that of "suffice" is from mid-15c. Meaning "render active military service" is from 1510s. Sporting sense, in tennis, badminton, etc., first recorded 1580s. Legal sense "present" (a writ, warrant,etc.), "give legal notice of" is from early 15c."
slave (v.) Look up slave at Dictionary.com
1550s, "to enslave," from slave (n.). The meaning "work like a slave" is first recorded 1719. Related Slaved; slaving.
slave (n.) Look up slave at Dictionary.com
late 13c., "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.
This sense development arose in the consequence of the wars waged by Otto the Great and his successors against the Slavs, a great number of whom they took captive and sold into slavery.
Meaning "one who has lost the power of resistance to some habit or vice" is from 1550s. Applied to devices from 1904, especially those which are controlled by others (compare slave jib in sailing, similarly of locomotives, flash bulbs, amplifiers). Slave-driver is attested from 1807; extended sense of "cruel or exacting task-master" is by 1854. Slate state in U.S. history is from 1812. Slave-trade is attested from 1734.Old English Wealh "Briton" also began to be used in the sense of "serf, slave" c.850; and Sanskrit dasa-, which can mean "slave," apparently is connected to dasyu- "pre-Aryan inhabitant of India." Grose's dictionary (1785) has under Negroe "A black-a-moor; figuratively used for a slave," without regard to race. More common Old English words for slave were ?eow (related to ?eowian "to serve" and ?r?l (see thrall). The Slavic words for "slave" (Russian rab, Serbo-Croatian rob, Old Church Slavonic rabu) are from Old Slavic *orbu, from the PIE root *orbh- (also source of orphan), the ground sense of which seems to be "thing that changes allegiance" (in the case of the slave, from himself to his master). The Slavic word is also the source of robot.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadah
"The Arabic word ibadah (ة or ibada (usually translated "worship" is connected with related words literally meaning "slavery", and has connotations of obedience, submission, and humility. The word linguistically means "obedience with submission"."
"In terms of Islam, ibadah is the obedience, submission, and devotion to Allah (God) along with the ultimate love for Him. Muslims believe that ibadah is the reason for the existence of all humanity. That is, Muslims believe that all people exist only to submit to Allah."
I think the modern sense of "serve" can be highly misleading for modern audiences, since it really invokes a different sense in readers or listeners today, where they imagine something is being "serviced" or "given stuff".
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Thank you for typing it out while in that situation. I am basically having a similar discussion about words in my Qur'an thread which you should join in on, we're stuck on the first line "In the Name of Allah" and I am making commentary basically that is related to what you are saying.
"worship (n.) Look up worship at Dictionary.com
Old English wor?scip, wur?scip (Anglian), weor?scipe (West Saxon) "condition of being worthy, dignity, glory, distinction, honor, renown," from weor? "worthy" (see worth) + -scipe (see -ship). Sense of "reverence paid to a supernatural or divine being" is first recorded c.1300. The original sense is preserved in the title worshipful "honorable" (c.1300).serve (v.) Look up serve at Dictionary.com
late 12c., "to render habitual obedience to," also "minister, give aid, give help," from Old French servir "to do duty toward, show devotion to; set table, serve at table; offer, provide with," from Latin servire "be a servant, be in service, be enslaved;" figuratively "be devoted; be governed by; comply with; conform; flatter," originally "be a slave," related to servus "slave," perhaps from Etruscan (compare Etruscan proper names Servi, Serve, Latinized as Servius).By c.1200 also as "to be in the service of, perform a service for; attend upon, be personal servant to; be a slave; owe allegiance to; officiate at Mass or other religious rites;" from early 13c. as "set food at table;" mid-14c. as "to wait on (customers)." From late 14c. as "treat (someone or something) in some fashion." To serve (someone) right "to treat as he deserves" is recorded from 1580s.
He no schuld neuer wond
To seruen him fro fot to hondSense of "be useful, be beneficial, be suitable for a purpose or function" is from early 14c.; that of "take the place or meet the needs of, be equal to the task" is from late 14c.; that of "suffice" is from mid-15c. Meaning "render active military service" is from 1510s. Sporting sense, in tennis, badminton, etc., first recorded 1580s. Legal sense "present" (a writ, warrant,etc.), "give legal notice of" is from early 15c."
slave (v.) Look up slave at Dictionary.com
1550s, "to enslave," from slave (n.). The meaning "work like a slave" is first recorded 1719. Related Slaved; slaving.
slave (n.) Look up slave at Dictionary.com
late 13c., "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.
This sense development arose in the consequence of the wars waged by Otto the Great and his successors against the Slavs, a great number of whom they took captive and sold into slavery.
Meaning "one who has lost the power of resistance to some habit or vice" is from 1550s. Applied to devices from 1904, especially those which are controlled by others (compare slave jib in sailing, similarly of locomotives, flash bulbs, amplifiers). Slave-driver is attested from 1807; extended sense of "cruel or exacting task-master" is by 1854. Slate state in U.S. history is from 1812. Slave-trade is attested from 1734.Old English Wealh "Briton" also began to be used in the sense of "serf, slave" c.850; and Sanskrit dasa-, which can mean "slave," apparently is connected to dasyu- "pre-Aryan inhabitant of India." Grose's dictionary (1785) has under Negroe "A black-a-moor; figuratively used for a slave," without regard to race. More common Old English words for slave were ?eow (related to ?eowian "to serve" and ?r?l (see thrall). The Slavic words for "slave" (Russian rab, Serbo-Croatian rob, Old Church Slavonic rabu) are from Old Slavic *orbu, from the PIE root *orbh- (also source of orphan), the ground sense of which seems to be "thing that changes allegiance" (in the case of the slave, from himself to his master). The Slavic word is also the source of robot.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadah
"The Arabic word ibadah (ة or ibada (usually translated "worship" is connected with related words literally meaning "slavery", and has connotations of obedience, submission, and humility. The word linguistically means "obedience with submission"."
"In terms of Islam, ibadah is the obedience, submission, and devotion to Allah (God) along with the ultimate love for Him. Muslims believe that ibadah is the reason for the existence of all humanity. That is, Muslims believe that all people exist only to submit to Allah."
I think the modern sense of "serve" can be highly misleading for modern audiences, since it really invokes a different sense in readers or listeners today, where they imagine something is being "serviced" or "given stuff".
We are a slave are we not? It's a bit like when people in England say "we are a slave to the system!". They mean that we are controlled by it and are following its laws because we cannot escape (bit like tax evasion).
This is how I mean serve as a slave. Guess you could use worship but I always think it refers to reverence of a deity... Does the creator need to be reverenced? Think not.
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We are a slave are we not? It's a bit like when people in England say "we are a slave to the system!". They mean that we are controlled by it and are following its laws because we cannot escape (bit like tax evasion).
This is how I mean serve as a slave. Guess you could use worship but I always think it refers to reverence of a deity... Does the creator need to be reverenced? Think not.
The abd root refers to slavery and following commands generally, yes, and I like the slave terminology, though "serve" as a word generally makes people think an object is receiving something, like feeding a king or something. Reverencing a diety to whom awe and reverence is due seems almost a better concept as long as you are not imagining some human who is asking for reverence, we are in Awe of Allah because of what Allah actually is and does. So "I created you to serve me" almost seems to have implications like "serve me something" "serve me food" since we usually use the word "serve" to mean giving something. Though reverence is a fine concept when it comes to Allah, the root word and implications do mean slave "I created mankind and jinn to control as slaves" but had the implication of "reverence".
I think it might actually be an important point, and another point which furthers what I was saying about the Master controlling. Though even "slave" often means to people today, one who serves the needs of a master, but a master who has no needs and supreme power, would not need to be served anything, but would only entirely control things, just like a remote control car is your complete "slave" as in "does your bidding" "does what you command of it", and the Jinn and Mankind do not all worship Allah literally, nor do they all work in the Cause of Allah, so the only thing they literally truly do if that verse is said to be true is "do whatever Allah commands them" and then it is also consistent with everything else I've been showing, that the bad people and the good people alike are being controlled and doing the Master's bidding. Or is that Allah has somehow slipped up, and does not have total power and control, and they have the power to actually defy Allah's power, and that Allah created a thing and it doesn't accomplish its purpose so Allah has made some mistake in the creation?
Do you see the implications? I am not trying to provoke you. You have actually helped me with this commentary (I didn't care much about the word, but by you bringing it up I then made this commentary, and it actually makes so much more sense though "worship" can work too or "obey" with reference to verses that say all things prostrate before Allah willingly or unwillingly, but actually this whole verse may have been a direct clue that the human and jinn, all of them, are being controlled to be and do directly what they are doing (which is what the rest of the Qur'an says as I showed so many examples) because it can't be said that Allah created something and what Allah created it for failed and that Allah failed in the task he created it for and Allah's will failed.
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Freedom,
And turning to Mecca is a severe violation of God's command of not making God into an image of something.
It is a sectarian blunder which scholars and clerics missed.
That kind of worship is a remnant of Paganism, to use physical objects as a kind of beacon to get closer to God.
And your reasoning that God is behind every decision that is made in the world is against logic, even basic one. It means the world illusion that we live in is completely pointless and has no use and you cannot even produce an individual thought at all.
And it is also disrespectful towards God as I already highlighted because you turn God into some kind of torturer who play around with people like voodoo dolls which have not done anything wrong themselves since all the bad God was behind, according to you.
The only viable conclusion is that that entity God does it for own entertainment. Because no life is worth anything.
And this reasoning is not new either because it is an old atypical sectarian thinking and it has drawn communities to completely emotionless and careless attitudes where anyone who turns against that conformity is persecuted. It is a testament to the Paganistic mental drawing of an image of God in their minds.
And if you adhere to this kind of thinking then what are you doing here because your input does not help anyone since they cannot decide themselves. Should God learn from God itself that knowledge since if God is conscious of all decisions and even actively make them then information about God is pointless. In fact Quran or Injeel or Torateh are redundant and God just wrote it as entertainment to have for display.
And if you still argue that it is God's will then why does God inform what decisions that are already made up? Is God schizophrenic perchance in your eyes?
Salaam
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Freedom,
And turning to Mecca is a severe violation of God's command of not making God into an image of something.
It is a sectarian blunder which scholars and clerics missed.
That kind of worship is a remnant of Paganism, to use physical objects as a kind of beacon to get closer to God.
And your reasoning that God is behind every decision that is made in the world is against logic, even basic one. It means the world illusion that we live in is completely pointless and has no use and you cannot even produce an individual thought at all.
And it is also disrespectful towards God as I already highlighted because you turn God into some kind of torturer who play around with people like voodoo dolls which have not done anything wrong themselves since all the bad God was behind, according to you.
The only viable conclusion is that that entity God does it for own entertainment. Because no life is worth anything.
And this reasoning is not new either because it is an old atypical sectarian thinking and it has drawn communities to completely emotionless and careless attitudes where anyone who turns against that conformity is persecuted. It is a testament to the Paganistic mental drawing of an image of God in their minds.
And if you adhere to this kind of thinking then what are you doing here because your input does not help anyone since they cannot decide themselves. Should God learn from God itself that knowledge since if God is conscious of all decisions and even actively make them then information about God is pointless. In fact Quran or Injeel or Torateh are redundant and God just wrote it as entertainment to have for display.
And if you still argue that it is God's will then why does God inform what decisions that are already made up? Is God schizophrenic perchance in your eyes?
Salaam
God may be schizophrenic in your estimation (God as I describe it) but tell me how your interpretation makes better sense?
I also told you, I do not support the idea of "not doing anything", why is it so difficult for you to understand? Just because God's Will is the only Will, doesn't mean on the immediate level we don't obviously perceive in our limited knowledge that we are in control of ourselves and our actions and should do our best to try to achieve the ultimate pleasure/good rather than the ultimate pain/evil.
Yet God created some beings to exist in the sea, others were created to burn in hell, and others were created for paradise, just like angels are created to praise God, thunder is created to do what it does, disbelievers are created to ridicule and do what they do and be cruel, these are all "agents" or "clients" of Allah, they are all operating as Allah wills, just like Allah moves the clouds, and the stars, and whatever else, we are all operating as Allah wills, but we obviously perceive in the immediate that we have a free will, and so we should use it, but it would be foolish for one who truly understands the Surrender in my opinion to think that we are creators who create anything, who create our thoughts or deeds or force God to do things or force God in results.
What I am suggesting is not illogical at all really. To say that God has "needs" is what is wrong, and that includes the "need" to do something "with a point" or "have a point" or a "reason" when Allah is not conditioned by anything, the point is always accomplished, and the reason is always that Allah creates and accomplishes absolutely and instantly whatever Allah wants to accomplish absolutely, so if Allah wants to create a worm that wriggles and is split opened and suffers, then Allah creates whatever Allah wants to create, laughter, weeping, pleasure, pain, all are just creations of Allah, and Allah does not fail to accomplish exactly what Allah wants, Allah created people for hell and paradise, this is what Allah wanted to create, all these concepts, there is no "chance" in it, everything is as Allah wills. Yes, you can not create or produce anything of your own, everything that comes into being is information created by Allah, if you think you share in Allah's power of being able to create information (like your thoughts), you are "sharing power" or performing the "shirk".
It is absolutely a voodoo doll situation I am suggesting, and which the Qur'an also makes obvious when it says that "All is from God" whether it be the good from Allah or the evil from yourselves, "All is from God" then it clarifies elsewhere even that each is from God and brought into existence by God and decreed by God before it is brought into existence by God
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No evil occurs on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a Decree before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah478
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from yourself!? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?
What befalls you of good from Allah, and whatever befalls you of evil from yourself. And for the people a Messenger, and Allah is sufficient a Witness.All is from God, whatever befalls you of good from Allah, whatever befalls you of evil from yourself, All is from God. You'll see in the literal word for word translation how many brackets they put to try to make it actually say what people usually think it says, I simply removed the brackets and that is what it says, it clearly says All is from God after it gives the example of people saying that evil is from people, and then then clarifies that the good from God and the evil from people, All is from God (it didn't just contradict itself immediately after, that is what it is saying, and ironically a little further it talks about "in it you will find contradictions" if it is false, and it wouldn't present such an obvious contradiction, the rest of the Qur'an is also consistent with this idea throughout. Allah created man and jinn to be "slaves" and "everything, willing and unwilling" are submitting to the will of Allah entirely and doing exactly what Allah is creating. Allah did not make a mistake "does no wrong" "does not make error" it is absolutely as Allah is willing it to be, it isn't pointless, the point is always the same "Allah does as Allah wills" and it is Allah who is the creator, you are not the one who decides the "point" or that it should have some "point" for you. Allah creates the fish in the sea that are eaten by the sharks and some are mauled and survive and suffer, Allah creates the retarded babies, you don't think Allah has power over everything? It says it so many times in the Qur'an.
So I am not really saying anything wrong, if you don't like the Qur'an though, then that is another matter, and there is no particular need to be attached to it if it isn't to your liking or doesn't say what you wish it to say. In that case you can easily write your own book that says exactly what you want it to say, but the Qur'an says what I want it to say mostly, that is why I use it so much and quote it so extensively.
I don't really think it was a slip up, its about the intention of people, it is not worshiping the cube, it is facing towards a singular point, so that people are not turned in all kinds of directions, it seems to be part of discipline and a sorting point, sorting who are the Muslims and who are the deniers, being made manifest or proved with this simple test, who will face the direction and who will turn away.
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We have seen thee often turn thy face towards heaven and now We shall indeed make thee turn in prayer in a direction which will fulfil thy desire. Turn, then, thy face towards the Inviolable House of Worship; and wherever you all may be, turn your faces towards it . And, verily, those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime know well that this comes in truth from their Sustainer; and God is not unaware of what they do.
And yet, even if thou wert to place all evidence before those who have been vouchsafed earlier revelation, they would not follow thy direction of prayer; and neither mayest thou follow their direction of prayer, nor even do they follow one another's direction. And if thou shouldst follow their errant views after all the knowledge that has come unto thee thou wouldst surely be among the evildoers.
Those unto whom We gave the Scripture recognise (this revelation) as they recognise their sons. But lo! a party of them knowingly conceal the truth.
the truth from thy Sustainer! Be not, then, among the doubters
And each one hath a goal toward which he turneth; so vie with one another in good works. Wheresoever ye may be, Allah will bring you all together. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
Thus, from wherever thou mayest come forth, turn thy face towards the Inviolable House of Worship-for,. behold, this comes in truth from thy Sustainer; and God is not unaware of what you do.
Hence, from wherever thou mayest come forth, turn thy face towards the Inviolable House of Worship; and wherever you all may be, turn your faces towards it, so that people should have no argument against you unless they are bent upon wrongdoing. And hold not them in awe, but stand in awe of Me, and so that I might bestow upon you the full measure of My blessings., and that you might follow the right path.
Even as We have sent unto you an apostle from among yourselves to convey unto you Our messages, and to cause you to grow in purity, and to impart unto you revelation and wisdom, and to teach you that which you knew not597
Allah hath appointed the Ka'bah, the Sacred House, a standard for mankind, and the Sacred Month and the offerings and the garlands. That is so that ye may know that Allah knoweth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and that Allah is Knower of all things.2229
Again, let them finish their ritual cleanliness and live up to their vows and circumambulate the Ancient House.2125
AND LO! We made the Temple a goal to which people might repair again and again, and a sanctuary take then, the place whereon Abraham once stood as your place of prayer." And thus did We command Abraham and Ishmael "Purify My Temple for those who will walk around it, and those who will abide near it in meditation, and those who will bow down and prostrate themselves ."2229
Then let them accomplish their needful acts of shaving and cleansing, and let them fulfil their vows and let them go round the Ancient House.4827
Indeed, God has shown the truth in His Apostle?s true vision most certainly shall you enter the Inviolable House of Worship, if God so wills, in full security, with your heads shaved or your hair cut short, without any fear for He has known that which you yourselves could not know. And He has ordained , besides this, a victory soon to come.52
O you who have attained to faith! (funny it always seems to be talking to you directly) Offend not against the symbols set up by God, nor against the sacred month , nor against the garlanded offerings, nor against those who flock to the Inviolable Temple, seeking favour with their Sustainer and His goodly acceptance; and after your pilgrimage is over are you free to hunt. And never let your hatred of people who would bar you from the Inviolable House of Worship lead you into the sin of aggression but rather help one another in furthering virtue and God-consciousness, and do not help one another in furthering evil and enmity; and remain conscious of God for, behold, God is severe in retribution!
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I like Quran, but I do not accept your interpretation.
Salaam
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I like Quran, but I do not accept your interpretation.
Salaam
I am showing you so many quotes, are you even reading them? Or is it that you are not permitted to read them?
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607144.msg361993#msg361993 I think this thread is mentioned there.
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To put it simply, none of us know who will be harmed or not, we can only at best guess, and Allah has the power to harm or give pleasure to anyone or anything.