Inheritance according to Qur?an

Noon_waalqalami

Noon please I could not find in your long chart the above situation. Please allocate them the share by quoting the Ayah.

411... and to parents dual said person to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if be (m/s) for said person offspring... from after will instructs in it or judgment

1/6 mother
1/6 father

412... so if be (m/s) for them offspring so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment

1/4 husband
5/12 remainder to son (brother gets nothing not kalala case)

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Now why you afraid to answer questions, do we guess?

perhaps you are too proud?
perhaps you've not studied?
perhaps logic/comprehension?
perhaps you're being monitored?

If you have information want to contribute since people all over the world may read this forum/thread then be honest answer questions posted to you with verse numbers and likewise answer your own examples to support your opinion not act like a pompous intellectual who diverts, avoids, posting perpetual questions as numerologists, missionary trolls, and hearsay followers that frequent this forum.

No answer from Mazhar!

Mazhar

411... and to parents dual said person to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if be (m/s) for said person offspring... from after will instructs in it or judgment

1/6 mother
1/6 father

412... so if be (m/s) for them offspring so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment

1/4 husband
5/12 remainder to son (brother gets nothing not kalala case)

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Now why you afraid to answer questions, do we guess?

perhaps you are too proud?
perhaps you've not studied?
perhaps logic/comprehension?
perhaps you're being monitored?

Dear Noon,

You seem to have overlooked that I mentioned a middle aged woman is the deceased. Pronoun in Prepositional Phrase + Possessive Phrase is for third person, singular, masculine specifically referring to the known male. The phrases literally mean "for the parents of him"

I hope you know about discourse cohesion. One type of cohesion associated with grammatical and lexical elements is reference cohesionwhen elements express referential identities via anaphora such as a pronoun.

The sentence that you have quoted is NOT about a deceased woman. It is about a certain male.

Noon_waalqalami

Dear Noon,

You seem to have overlooked that I mentioned a middle aged woman is the deceased. Pronoun in Prepositional Phrase + Possessive Phrase is for third person, singular, masculine specifically referring to the known male. The phrases literally mean "for the parents of him"

I hope you know about discourse cohesion. One type of cohesion associated with grammatical and lexical elements is reference cohesionwhen elements express referential identities via anaphora such as a pronoun.

The sentence that you have quoted is NOT about a deceased woman. It is about a certain male.

Dear Mazhar,

As already stated you are wired "different" using English grammar rules applying to Qur'an.

Do you translate below as "for him" applicable to only males instead of "for said person"?

1333 ... and whom lets astray the god so not for said person from guide

Likewise you wrote below and CANNOT translate as "and to him" applicable to only males...

Both the red nouns are the subject noun for deficient verb by conjunction through "aau". Either man or a woman can be

A man can die in the state that he was all by himself ; and so can a woman die in such state.

412 ...
and if be rajulun/man he bestows to inherit kalalatan or im'ra-atun/woman
and to said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth

Likewise you erroneously translated below CANNOT be applicable if "son or dual children"?

411 instructs you the god in awldikum/offspring yours
603 never benefit you relatives yours and not awldukum/offspring yours

Mazhar

Dear Noon,

It is the most basic information about Arabic language that a singular masculine pronoun refers only a male-Man; it does not refer to a female-woman. Pronouns are explicit discourse connectives.

As already stated you are wired "different" using English grammar rules applying to Qur'an.

What I said was not about English grammar rules. Please read again, it is about every text including Arabic of Qur'aan.

Noon_waalqalami

Dear Noon,

It is the most basic information about Arabic language that a singular masculine pronoun refers only a male-Man; it does not refer to a female-woman. Pronouns are explicit discourse connectives.

What I said was not about English grammar rules. Please read again, it is about every text including Arabic of Qur'aan.

Dear Mazhar, perhaps you'll understand the issue; please distribute according to Qur'an, post exact verses?

Man leaves 2 daughters, parents, wife

Woman leaves 2 daughters, parents, husband

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, perhaps you'll understand the issue; please distribute according to Qur'an, post exact verses?

Man leaves 2 daughters, parents, wife

Woman leaves 2 daughters, parents, husband

Reply 455 gave covering all ground situations
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It is the case of death of a parent who had two daughters.

In both cases Allah the Exalted has apportioned for two daughters only which is two-thirds of divisible wealth.
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Thereby, instead of a male co-sharer, if other progenies were three or more women as partners/ co-sharers over/in addition to two females referred to above; thereat, two-thirds of the wealth which the deceased parent has left shall remain the apportionment for them all, irrespective of presence of two female sharers or additional sharers.

" " This sentence begins with a conjunction particle " " which is distinct from conjunction particle ""; Particle " " illustrates a sequence, cause and effect relationship; a linkage with apodosis clause; and can link a subsequent clause with the preceding sentence to indicate a situation-reality-predication partly different to-instead of the earlier one. Particle "" will not connect such linkage.

One-third will go to other- parents/spouse as per the wish of testater. If died a sudden death, family/court will decide if any near one disputes division of remaining 1/3rd wealth. The deceased was required to bequeath orally in favour of parents and nearest relative,

Noon_waalqalami

It is the case of death of a parent who had two daughters.

... if other progenies were three or more women as partners/ co-sharers over/in addition to two females referred to above; thereat, two-thirds of the wealth ...

Dear Mazhar,

411 ? fawqa/above two (f) so for them (f/p) third dual (2/3)

fawqa/above or greater than two CANNOT be equal or in addition to two!

618 ... fawqa/above servants his

CANNOT be equal or in addition to servants his!

Lane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... also, in the Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding two

One-third will go to other- parents/spouse as per the wish of testater. If died a sudden death, family/court will decide if any near one disputes division of remaining 1/3rd wealth. The deceased was required to bequeath orally in favour of parents and nearest relative,

Where you get these absurd ideas, TV shows like Judge Judy or The People's Hadith Court?

Mazhar, simple advice same as to numerologists, stay away from things requiring basic logic.

Peace!

Mazhar

(Mgh, Msb) exceeding two

Dear Noon,

You see only words, develop habit of looking simultaneously about grammer. He has put comma, before exceeding two.

Lane has used the transitive verb which means be greater than something to be greater than something in quantity, degree, or scope.

But you have not seen this
is the contr. of ; (S, Mgh, O, Msb, K and is an adv. n

Can you assign some role/function to this phrase in the sentence?

This is adverbial phrase. You need to read the function of adverbial phrases in a sentence to comprehend what is communicated therein.

In Arabic it is ridiculous to say "women more than two" when noun Nisaa is used which itself means women who are three or more in number.

Spare a little time to kindly revisit English grammar book which would suffice for understanding the Arabic text by seeing the case endings of nouns which give their function in the sentence.

Mazhar

Let me make things simpler for you.

You say that 2/3rd will be given only if there are women over two; and not when they are only two. If it is true this will suffice

If they were three or four women then------

What is the point then to insert adverbial phrase in between? What purpose it would serve except redundancy?

Noon_waalqalami

In Arabic it is ridiculous to say "women more than two" when noun Nisaa is used which itself means women who are three or more in number.

Dear Mazhar, not ridiculous and exactly what is written!

411
nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (females)

Nisaa in general refers to any and all females 1, 2, 3+ else clear contradiction...

4176
and if be they of siblings rijlan wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)

Does not above apply for "all combinations" including when exactly two females as written?

1 male 1 female
1 male 2 females
1 male 3+ females

2 males 1 female
2 males 2 females
2 males 3+ females

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, not ridiculous and exactly what is written!

411
nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (females)

Nisaa in general refers to any and all females 1, 2, 3+ else clear contradiction...

4176
and if be they of siblings rijlan wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)

Does not above apply for "all combinations" including when exactly two females as written?

1 male 1 female
1 male 2 females
1 male 3+ females

2 males 1 female
2 males 2 females
2 males 3+ females

Dear,

Nothing will go into your mind unless you forget for a while your formula. You compare two different structures of discourse and think they describe the same content.
Nisaa is a plural noun, it does not have singular; it has only diminutive to describe few women.
is explained as comprising of men and women. Then the equation is narrated by using a cardinal number; not that Nisaa has become one woman.

Noon_waalqalami

Dear,

Nothing will go into your mind unless you forget for a while your formula. You compare two different structures of discourse and think they describe the same content.
Nisaa is a plural noun, it does not have singular; it has only diminutive to describe few women.
is explained as comprising of men and women. Then the equation is narrated by using a cardinal number; not that Nisaa has become one woman.

Dear Mazhar, clearly you do not understand the situation nor studied subject.

Likewise numerous contradictions applying assumed grammar rules to Qur'an.

IF rijlan wanisan always means 3+ males and 3+ females

Then ask yourself Kalala case only siblings no child where are instructions?

1 sister 1 brother
1 sister 2 brothers
1 sister 3+ brothers

2 sisters 1 brother
2 sisters 2 brothers
2 sisters 3+ brothers

3+ sisters 1 brother
3+ sisters 2 brothers

No answer from you as usual or let's ask "Jude Judy" or take it to "The People's Hadith Court" does not suffice.

Peace!

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, clearly you do not understand the situation nor studied subject.

Likewise numerous contradictions applying assumed grammar rules to Qur'an.

IF rijlan wanisan always means 3+ males and 3+ females

Then ask yourself Kalala case only siblings no child where are instructions?

1 sister 1 brother
1 sister 2 brothers
1 sister 3+ brothers

2 sisters 1 brother
2 sisters 2 brothers
2 sisters 3+ brothers

3+ sisters 1 brother
3+ sisters 2 brothers

No answer from you as usual or let's ask "Jude Judy" or take it to "The People's Hadith Court" does not suffice.

Peace!

Every situation is covered in Grand Qur'aan. Allah the Exalted has determined shares, the inalienable right which can not be taken away by including the deceased.

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Here before we have noticed that injunctions in Ayah 411 and earlier part of 412 are about such deceased who have surviving parents, both mother and father alive, and bereaved spouse. Fortunes vary if the deceased had a son or did not have alive son at the time of death. We have not as yet seen instructions about a man or woman who dies leaving a son but without a surviving spouse - either already died or separated by divorce, and is bereaved by a single parent, either mother or father. It is mentioned later with conjunction particle in Ayah 412

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However, if it were a man or a woman who is single-spouseless survived by a single parent and a son; while a brother or a sister is also alive to bereave him/her, thereby, one sixth out of that which such man or woman has left is apportioned for either, be a brother or sister.
Thereat, in case they are more than one sibling, thereby, they all are the sharer in one third.

There may be a situation that the death expecting Man or Woman are in a state of single parent- no spouse with surviving singular son and a parent, either Father or Mother. In such situation, the Mandatory Share set aside by Allah the Exalted is 1/6th each for a brother or sister of the deceased Man or Woman. However, if they are more in number, the collective share shall be only 1/3rd for brothers and sisters, superseding that which the deceased might have allocated in the statement of distribution in his/her Will. The allocations in the Will for the remaining part of inheritance shall stand.

44.http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif Verbal Noun accusative. It is intriguing that people have been debating about this verbal noun as to its meanings and peculiarities of the person who is in such state-circumstance. This man or woman cannot be he/she who are already mentioned. He is not a person who is bereaved by a single daughter, two daughters or grouped progenies; he is not a person whose parents, both mother and father are alive; and he is not a person whose spouse is bereaved. It refers to that state of a person when the spouse is already dead or divorced and has single parent, either mother or father, surviving at the time of his death. In addition to this peculiar situation, such man may or may not have a surviving son at the time of his death. Here in this Ayah it is evident that this spouseless man or woman does have a surviving son to inherit from the inheritance.

The aforesaid instructions and Mandatory Allocation of parts of inheritance amongst various beneficiaries by Allah the Exalted cover all the situations that might be the ground realities at the time of death of a Man or a Woman. However, one situation is not covered whereby one will have to resort to other deductive method to infer the apportioned share. The people of the days of revelation fully acknowledged and understood the injunctions about inheritance. They did not have an iota of confusion. This fact is evident because people requested the Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted to give them the confirmation-strengthened verdict at his own about the only situation which was not covered in the aforementioned injunctions in Ayah 411 and 412. That situation is regards a person who is bachelor or single without spouse, has a singular alive parent, either Mother or Father, but did not have a son.

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They seek that you the Messenger give them the confirmation-strengthened verdict at your own. You tell them; " Allah the Exalted gives you the verdict in the situation regards a person being bachelor-without spouse, survived by a singular Parent, either Mother or Father.

In case he is such a person who died in condition that a son was not in his progeny;

Grand Qur'aan has no parallel and is par excellence in succinctness. The probable situations obtaining in the case of death of a wealthy Man or Woman are quite many. It is almost an impossible proposition for human beings to determine with absolute justice the rightful shares in all the possible situations. It will need volumes of laws and regulations, yet leaving areas for injustice.
Allah the Exalted has specifically covered those situations which are pregnant for abuse of man-dominance and injustice. In such situations, Allah the Exalted has exercised the Authority and Will to cut and demarcate certain Parts of the Inheritance, and Permanently allocate it to specific relatives in preference to others. This is signified by "This ordinance regards permanent apportionment of inheritance is a time bound obligation imposed by Allah the Exalted". This is also described by these words "This Binding Ordinance of Inheritance is promulgated by Allah the Exalted for adhering it-ever sticking to it".49. Laws and regulations to implement justice in all respects in the case of inheritance and other economic problems is quite a difficult proposition for majority of human beings. Therefore, Allah the Exalted encourages to create a situation wherein justice can be established in such matters by heightening the moral consciousness of man and showing of mercy and kindness to those undergoing tribulations. There can be hundreds of situations with conflicting considerations for allocating wealth of the deceased. Encompassing all those, a voluminous regulation book is needed. Allah the Exalted has given the solution for absolute justice. He the Exalted has first made it incumbent upon the wealthy man to dictate his Bequest allocating shares according to his own judgment and decision amongst his Father and Mother and nearer relatives, about whom he better understands regards eligibility and necessity. Thereafter, when the actual time happens for execution of the Will after the death of deceased, Allah the Exalted supersedes that Will partially, maximum to the extent of two third of inheritance. Allah the Exalted apportions the inalienable shares in favour of certain relatives and allows to stay other allocations bequeathed by the deceased.
Allah the Exalted has simplified the otherwise delicate and perplexing issue for humans by relating it to the circumstantial characteristic of the person and the Will bequeathed by deceased. All cases and situations that be obtaining on ground are covered in just six sub classifications. We have now the orders regarding the progenies, the mother and father, the spouse and siblings in different situations. Let us recap

Inheritance according to injunctions in Grand Qur'aan

Noon_waalqalami

Dear Mazhar, every time I ask a simple question you write paragraphs without giving an answer.

IF rijlan wanisan always means 3+ males and 3+ females

Then ask yourself Kalala case only siblings no child where are instructions?

1 sister 1 brother
1 sister 2 brothers
1 sister 3+ brothers

2 sisters 1 brother
2 sisters 2 brothers
2 sisters 3+ brothers

3+ sisters 1 brother
3+ sisters 2 brothers

OK like any issue no matter how complex; math, physics, etc. best to break it down simplify solve one at a time.

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors 1 sister and 1 brother?

Which verse 412 or 4176?
How much to each exactly?

Then we'll move on to next see if you are consistent.

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, every time I ask a simple question you write paragraphs without giving an answer.

OK like any issue no matter how complex; math, physics, etc. best to break it down simplify solve one at a time.

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors 1 sister and 1 brother?

Which verse 412 or 4176?
How much to each exactly?

Then we'll move on to next see if you are consistent.

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According to 4176 two-thirds is earmarked for them; mandatory provision. They will share in the ratio of twice the luck of sister will accrue to brother.
One-third according to the bequath of deceased.

In case he is such a person who died in condition that a son was not in his progeny;
But a sister survives for him, thereat, half of that which he has left is apportioned for her.
And he becomes her Heir if survives her if a son was not her progeny.
However, if there were two surviving sisters, thereat, two-thirds of that which he the deceased has left is apportioned for them.
And if they were siblings, comprising men and women, thereat, the two-thirds allocation shall be subdivided on the principle that equivalent of the amount accruing to the surviving two females shall be the sum allocated for the male.

Noon_waalqalami

Mazhar, simple question was asked which again you did not answer?

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors

1 sister and 1 brother?

How much to each exactly?

Mazhar

What is two-thirds of 60?
Obviously 40

Distribute it to two by giving twice to male of female. 13.3 + 26.6

"Mislo" tells not to make fuss of decimal fractions.

Noon_waalqalami

What is two-thirds of 60?
Obviously 40

Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?

What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?

Distribute it to two by giving twice to male of female. 13.3 + 26.6

Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?

Mazhar

Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?

What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?

Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?

It is plainly mentioned in 4176

See it here, carefully look at the sequence of narration in Ayah and the last sentence wherein the presence of two females and one male distribution is given.

Inheritance from sibling

Noon_waalqalami

Quote from Noon waalqalami on Yesterday at 032003 PM
Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?

What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?

Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?

It is plainly mentioned in 4176

See it here, carefully look at the sequence of narration in Ayah and the last sentence wherein the presence of two females and one male distribution is given.

Again you contradict since the 2/3 pertains to exactly two females NOT one male & one female!

4176 ... so if knat/be dual (feminine) ith'natayni/two (females) falahum/so to them dual (feminine) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

Again you contradict give 40 gold coins 2/3 of 60 gold coins leave 20 gold coins 1/3 to nobody!

4176... and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower

Again you contradict first say Nisaa is 3+ now see/agree above can apply to 1 sister & 1 brother!

Peace and goodbye!