It seems that true believers are a tiny minority!
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If you read 53.30 you will know you are equating yourself to Allah or even above Him, by judging above the best of all judges. You consider yourself as a strong judge
Now I know wherefrom your knowledge has sprouted; the hadiths. No wonder why you talk like this. Tell me the ayat for the above quote where Allah had mentioned Muhammad's name.
Go one ayat before this ayat and read 5.77 with regard to who the cursed people are
The people of the Book; and those who transgress in their words and deeds speaking the evil and the lies against Allah and the messenger, with their knowledge in hearsay hadiths rather than Allah's Quran; and those who follow their conjectures and vain desires; and those hadithis who made many go astray into the path of error. All of these almost reminds you to you, isn't it?I swearing by God, deal with that God, who is kind, mild, compassionate, merciful, forgiving, teaching, patient, enduring, healer, provider, creator, rewarding, punishing, delivering, justice, The Lord of the heavens and the earth; the Lord of the hereafter, the rewarder, the bestower, the ample giving, the benevolent, the protector, the helper unlike you who follow the Satan who knows about hell and the leader who takes you to hell.
FreedomStands stand before me with His Leader, who takes all to hell.
Go ahead; there is none to stop when my God Allah has decided to throw someone He cursed to hell.
The best armoury to fight in the cause of Allah is patience 8.65, 66. I think you have to stop following shaitan's Book hadith; please follow Quran alone; do not mix your hadith with Quran. I think you do not know or understand Quran.
If you are truthful show him to me; you and I would go over to him and get our disputes settled.
Do not paste the ayats here without knowing the meaning and practical application of any single ayat; if you are really interested in the ayats of Allah I am at your service to teach you Quran. But do not feign here you know Quran.
You are a master of ideas of grandeur
FreedomStands stand before me with His Leader, who takes all to hell.
What? I'm saying Allah has all the power, no one shares in Allah's power, you have no power to harm or help yourself ultimately, you create nothing of your own, nor can you force Allah to do anything, so are you accusing me of speaking falsehood by those statements? Haha, go ahead and say that those statements are false if you really think so.
I am saying you must distinguish between wrong and right, you must judge between righteousness and evil, I am not equating myself to Allah, because Allah is the only one who can properly execute the justice, but nowhere has Allah said "make no distinction between believer and non-believer, but take them all as friends and do not distinguish or judge between right and wrong" haha or do you think that it does say that? Yes, maybe you should teach me the Qur'an.
The quotes are just from the www.islamawakened.com/quran and no I'm not into the Hadiths.
If you want a verse where the name Muhammed is mentioned (Why?) there is this one
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Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.3340
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
No actually, those remind me of you more really, since I don't conjecture at all about these things, nor do I speak lies about Allah, unless you consider it a lie that I say Allah creates everything and is the only creator and you are not the creator of anything, and that I say Allah alone has all the power, and you have no power to harm or help yourself or others, are these the lies you accuse me of? Well, we'll see who the liar is, but if you call those statements lies then it becomes obvious that you don't worship the same that I worship, I worship Allah who alone has all the power and alone creates everything, who alone chooses, so what do you worship? Do you worship something that "shares" in power, that lets other people create as co-creators? That is called shirk.
I don't "follow the Satan" if you mean Iblis, because Iblis is the one who wants people to do shirk and also spreads "false hopes" in people and wants people to make themselves "partners" by saying they have power and they can create, so that they are proven wrong and go to hell.
Do you really think I'm going to hell for saying Allah alone has all the power and Allah alone is the creator and Allah alone is the chooser? That is what the Qur'an says, am I going to hell in your opinion for that? For saying that Allah is sufficient for me, and that I am not one who makes partners with Allah (commits shirk)? Really, alright, well we'll see. I know that Allah can throw me into hell, I don't doubt that, I don't have that "surety" that you might feel that you're protected from Allah and the hell-fire based on your own power to do this or that and God is forced to help you. No, I believe in the one who has all power, just as Jesus says in the Qur'an
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If thou cause them to suffer - verily, they are Thy servants; and if Thou forgive them - verily, Thou alone art almighty, wise!"You said "Go ahead; there is none to stop when my God Allah has decided to throw someone He cursed to hell."
That is true.
You think I don't know the Qur'an because I show you ayats and say that Allah alone has all the power and Allah alone is the creator of everything and is not fettered and is not bound but is entirely free? You think I don't know the Qur'an because of these things I say? Certainly, I'd like to learn more about your religion which is somehow contrary to what I say?
You think that you have the understanding of those ayats yet I don't, but you say I am the master of ideas of grandeur? You are the one who says man is so important and you think I am the one with ideas of grandeur? You accuse me of following "Satan" for saying that Allah has all the power and is the sole creator of everything absolutely, there is no other power or creator, and you say I'm the one who has ideas of grandeur? Alright!
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Its surprising to me that you think I'm wrong. How could you?
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No way, I didn't assume any such thing, its when they themselves started speaking up and saying that Allah isn't the only power and that Allah isn't responsible for everything or Allah didn't create everything that they started doing shirk. You can read it for yourself.
Allah is not responsible for everything, for good is from Him alone and not from you; and all evils are from you alone; and that you earned it from what He had created despite His admonition not to touch it; you earned it despite His forgiveness over a long period of your life's time; you earned it despite His repeated warnings and His putting you to test all your lives because of your pride and arrogance. This is what I have read from all their posts; but you seemed to have taken against their belief and practice.
I didn't deride anyone, I'm actually the best friend you could possibly have, one who is inviting you to righteousness and good thinking, no one can be a greater enemy to you than someone who says to you that Allah is NOT the Only Power and that Allah DOES NOT create everything. Those aren't your friends, I've always been trying to say the good things against shirk, so I'm your friend, your ferocious friend.
I appreciate your stance now not to deride anyone from now on wards; but the point is how can you be our best friend when it comes to belief? For your understanding of the verses of Quran is very rudimentary; you have no patience; you are ferociously wild; not caring a damn for anyone; and how is it possible for you to be a best friend with such kind of attitude; after you call all in this forum, and when there is every chance you will even be an enemy to yourself? Allah is the only power to grant you forgiveness and Bestow upon you of His Wisdom and Power. As slave to Allah you shall show restrain and patience and shall have clarity of what you are going to express; you are weak in all these qualities and thus an enemy to yourself; either you can be ferocious wild animal or humble and compassionate and merciful friend; you cannot be both - half animal and half friend.
I'm not confusing anything, I've been saying the same stuff from the start and years before this even since I was a child (so maybe that is why it seems childish to you?)
You are right; Please grow up.
Because I can barely understand you, I don't know if you're a shirki for sure or not, but IF you are saying Allah is not responsible for everything, is not the SOLE POWER, if you have some power of your own, that people are co-creators, that people also create things and Allah didn't create absolutely everything always, then you are among the shirki in those beliefs.
Why do you chase and follow that about which you have no knowledge 17/36; Surely your sense of eyes and your sense of hearing and your hearts - each of which will be questioned for having not used them judiciously.
Only Allah knows what is in the breasts of man 11/31; and He alone knows what one speaks to His mind 50/16. When such is the truth why do you, true to your nature, advance before Allah and take all the powers of Allah on your stride? Especially when it comes to the judgment? And why do you belie that Allah is the Judge? And why are you a rejecter?
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FreedomStands stand before me with His Leader, who takes all to hell.
What? I'm saying Allah has all the power, no one shares in Allah's power, you have no power to harm or help yourself ultimately, you create nothing of your own, nor can you force Allah to do anything, so are you accusing me of speaking falsehood by those statements? Haha, go ahead and say that those statements are false if you really think so.
You are the one who claims to hold the justice, punishment, hell and the last day; you are a denier of the Master of the Last day; so you are denier of Allah.
I am saying you must distinguish between wrong and right, you must judge between righteousness and evil, I am not equating myself to Allah, because Allah is the only one who can properly execute the justice, but nowhere has Allah said "make no distinction between believer and non-believer, but take them all as friends and do not distinguish or judge between right and wrong" haha or do you think that it does say that? Yes, maybe you should teach me the Qur'an.
In the process of saying to and preaching others your veda, is it right on your part to forget yourself 2/44? Is it right when you are not well informed of that which you preach to others 20/114? Do you see now you have no answers to defend your own self through the ayats?
The quotes are just from the www.islamawakened.com/quran and no I'm not into the Hadiths.
Then why did you quote from others? Do you see you have no originality?
If you want a verse where the name Muhammed is mentioned (Why?) there is this one
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Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.3340
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.You are just like any other hadithi who would answer irrelevantly. I asked you to show me where muhammad is mentioned in the ayats you had referred to. Please show me the name Muhammad mentioned therein.
No actually, those remind me of you more really, since I don't conjecture at all about these things, nor do I speak lies about Allah, unless you consider it a lie that I say Allah creates everything and is the only creator and you are not the creator of anything, and that I say Allah alone has all the power, and you have no power to harm or help yourself or others, are these the lies you accuse me of? Well, we'll see who the liar is, but if you call those statements lies then it becomes obvious that you don't worship the same that I worship, I worship Allah who alone has all the power and alone creates everything, who alone chooses, so what do you worship? Do you worship something that "shares" in power, that lets other people create as co-creators? That is called shirk.
But it is you who are up to the words in red above. None but you who are ferocious and wild looking here while you seem to not having practical application of Quran. I do not see any patience, seeking forgiveness in you; neither do you speak nor write clearly especially when you speak of Quran.
I don't "follow the Satan" if you mean Iblis, because Iblis is the one who wants people to do shirk and also spreads "false hopes" in people and wants people to make themselves "partners" by saying they have power and they can create, so that they are proven wrong and go to hell.
What to think of you when you say you can judge denying Allah as Judge.
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It is surprising to me that someone is accusing drfazl of not relying on Allah for everything. That man is even refusing man-made substances because he likes to rely on Allah for absolutely everything, even healing.
He is one of the prime examples of people who do not commit shirk (in traditional regard).
And please be calm and peaceful brother Fazl and do not let those who try you make you annoyed.
Salaam
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Allah is not responsible for everything
you are ferociously wild; not caring a damn for anyone;ferocious wild animal or humble and compassionate and merciful friend; you cannot be both - half animal and half friend.
You are right; Please grow up.
Only Allah knows what is in the breasts of man 11/31; and He alone knows what one speaks to His mind 50/16. When such is the truth why do you, true to your nature, advance before Allah and take all the powers of Allah on your stride? Especially when it comes to the judgment? And why do you belie that Allah is the Judge? And why are you a rejecter?
You say that Allah is not responsible for everything, which means not all creations are from Allah, that there are other creators of things in some form, since Allah is not responsible for those creations.
I never said I am the judge, I said that we must judge and make distinctions between things, between right and wrong, between good and evil, between evildoers and doers of good etc. If you don't like the word "judge" replace it for some other word!
A friend is someone trying to help you, not someone who just lets you say whatever you want and doesn't care. Sometimes friends can be ferocious, like I mentioned, Musa grabbed his brothers beard, and told the B'nei Israel to kill themselves for their betterment. I haven't done anything nearly that ferocious, all I've said is God is the only power and creator, which you deny by saying that God is not responsible for all things in existence and all creations absolutely. I'm too scared of shirk to take your position.
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You are the one who claims to hold the justice, punishment, hell and the last day; you are a denier of the Master of the Last day; so you are denier of Allah.
In the process of saying to and preaching others your veda, is it right on your part to forget yourself 2/44? Is it right when you are not well informed of that which you preach to others 20/114? Do you see now you have no answers to defend your own self through the ayats?
Then why did you quote from others? Do you see you have no originality?
You are just like any other hadithi who would answer irrelevantly. I asked you to show me where muhammad is mentioned in the ayats you had referred to. Please show me the name Muhammad mentioned therein.
But it is you who are up to the words in red above. None but you who are ferocious and wild looking here while you seem to not having practical application of Quran. I do not see any patience, seeking forgiveness in you; neither do you speak nor write clearly especially when you speak of Quran.
What to think of you when you say you can judge denying Allah as Judge.
Well these are false accusations totally. All I was trying to say was that we have to decide things and distinguish between things, that is normally called "making judgments about things" meaning "making decisions". If you don't like the word "judgment" for that, then choose another word of your preference, but I certainly wasn't denying Allah but it is exciting that you could say such things. Yeah, I have no originality, I'm not an "innovator" I was just saying something very simple, that Allah has all the power and is the creator of everything, if you think that is wrong, then so be it!
The whole Qur'an was generally thought to be recited to Muhammed, but I don't even know what you're talking about or what Muhammed has to do with anything. No, I'm not a fan of the Hadiths.
I never said that I am denying Allah as the judge, but in English the word "judge" means to weigh and decide about matters, which is something people have to do in life, like judging between people and things, but that doesn't mean it is the same kind of Judgment as Allah's judgment.
I want to hear about something interesting happening to you in your life though.
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It is surprising to me that someone is accusing drfazl of not relying on Allah for everything. That man is even refusing man-made substances because he likes to rely on Allah for absolutely everything, even healing.
He is one of the prime examples of people who do not commit shirk (in traditional regard).
And please be calm and peaceful brother Fazl and do not let those who try you make you annoyed.
Salaam
There is no man-made anything ultimately.
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You think that but it is man made. Allah did not need to make such stuff. And even if it is (you get hung up on formalities) you should avoid it since it is the flesh.
You have a consciousness and you are responsible for it. You cannot put the blame on Allah.
Salaam
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You think that but it is man made. Allah did not need to make such stuff. And even if it is (you get hung up on formalities) you should avoid it since it is the flesh.
You have a consciousness and you are responsible for it. You cannot put the blame on Allah.
Salaam
How can something other than Allah create anything at all? Also, why are you so against flesh anyway yet put so much good effort into your flesh?
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You say that Allah is not responsible for everything, which means not all creations are from Allah, that there are other creators of things in some form, since Allah is not responsible for those creations. I never said I am the judge, I said that we must judge and make distinctions between things, between right and wrong, between good and evil, between evildoers and doers of good etc. If you don't like the word "judge" replace it for some other word!
A friend is someone trying to help you, not someone who just lets you say whatever you want and doesn't care. All I've said is God is the only power and creator, which you deny by saying that God is not responsible for all things in existence and all creations absolutely. I'm too scared of shirk to take your position.
Allah created you to follow Him to the eternal heavenly march from this world onwards and from this moment on - or hereafter. And He has created the eternal hell for those who refuse Allah's guidance. And where we differ is when you say, Allah creates some for hell or some for heaven. I might have mistaken you thus far; but if you accept now that Allah does not create you to falter into hell unless you defy Him and choose to dive headlong into hell.
We cannot judge or weigh others when we cannot or when we are not to assume ourselves to be pure 4/49. All you can do is to seek His guidance for your own goodness. I am your friend helping you to follow Quran through sensible understanding. When I refer an ayat it is to understand and then write comprehending it, juxtaposing it with your nature and conduct.
Allah creates the worlds for you and changes everything from heavens to earth and everything in between by the moment to deliver you from your direction heading towards hell. Allah does not create harm; but Allah allows you to earn your destruction through your own hands, which He has already arranged for in the skies and in the earth and in everything between them for the defying and denying. Thus Allah has created the two directions hell bound and heaven bound. The choice is yours. So you will earn out of what He has preset for those who do good and for those who do evil. So creation is Allah's; earning is ours! This does not mean we have powers; but it is by Allah's decree - the heavens and the earth recompenses us for that which we used to do.
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I do not put efforts into the flesh. I am just saying that Allah is not responsible for all the vain things that man create.
However, the Creator made all the substances which these illusive created things are made from and also make sure they are kept sustained, i.e. kept from disintegration. And when something is made, then it is the shape of that illusion which change and which illusive material that is Allah, since Allah is existence itself like a huge sphere.
It is not like it is Allah's idea to make weapons of all sorts like swords or firearms, but that is a bad idea of humans yet it was the platform of Allah that let it be created. But it does not mean that these are goodly items nor that Allah is responsible for the production of the idea of making the weapons.
If you believe that then you are slightly mistaken about how Allah works.
And drfazl has the same idea about it.
Salaam
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All I was trying to say was that we have to decide things and distinguish between things, that is normally called "making judgments about things" meaning "making decisions". but I certainly wasn't denying Allah Yeah, I have no originality, I'm not an "innovator" I was just saying something very simple, that Allah has all the power and is the creator of everything, if you think that is wrong, then so be it! I never said that I am denying Allah as the judge, but in English the word "judge" means to weigh and decide about matters
The whole Qur'an was generally thought to be recited to Muhammed, but I don't even know what you're talking about or what Muhammed has to do with anything. No, I'm not a fan of the Hadiths.
I want to hear about something interesting happening to you in your life though.
Allah has the power to forgive you; to deliver you out from the evil you have wrought upon you. No one is pure including you; and when such is the evil that we each are, where is the question of judging between right and wrong; and pure and impure! Do not judge or weigh; leave it with Allah and surrender before Him, the only Judge, the Distinguishing, The Most High, Wise.
The whole Quran was given to us and every verse has us individually in it, as the main subject with the entire world surrounding each of us. Do not go by the general thought while you know well that the Quran is meant for him who reads it for want of guidance all through his life. It is not for Muhammad. And if the Quran is for all the prophets, then it is for all of us.
What happens all through my life is Allah creates newer world for me in my every breath; this is what is happening in everyone's each breathing but most fail to perceive. Do not be astonished about this; some day or the other when you keep up constancy, in the guidance of Allah, surely you will come to know of this Truth, before death touches every one of you.
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Allah created you to follow Him to the eternal heavenly march from this world onwards and from this moment on - or hereafter. And He has created the eternal hell for those who refuse Allah's guidance. And where we differ is when you say, Allah creates some for hell or some for heaven. I might have mistaken you thus far; but if you accept now that Allah does not create you to falter into hell unless you defy Him and choose to dive headlong into hell.
We cannot judge or weigh others when we cannot or when we are not to assume ourselves to be pure 4/49. All you can do is to seek His guidance for your own goodness. I am your friend helping you to follow Quran through sensible understanding. When I refer an ayat it is to understand and then write comprehending it, juxtaposing it with your nature and conduct.
Allah creates the worlds for you and changes everything from heavens to earth and everything in between by the moment to deliver you from your direction heading towards hell. Allah does not create harm; but Allah allows you to earn your destruction through your own hands, which He has already arranged for in the skies and in the earth and in everything between them for the defying and denying. Thus Allah has created the two directions hell bound and heaven bound. The choice is yours. So you will earn out of what He has preset for those who do good and for those who do evil. So creation is Allah's; earning is ours! This does not mean we have powers; but it is by Allah's decree - the heavens and the earth recompenses us for that which we used to do.
Yes you seem to have misunderstood me, and I only copy pasted what the Qur'an had said about creating for hell, but you never understood my meaning anyway.
You said "Allah does not create harm" but then you talk about Allah creating hell, then you talk about Allah not wanting people to go to hell or implying that. If you don't want people to go somewhere, why would you create the place? Does Allah not accomplish what Allah wants? When I said I was your friend, it is because I was guiding you correctly, I wasn't talking conjecture. I know you think you know what you're talking about, but you should really think about what you are saying. Think also about everything that is "harm" in this Universe, and try to figure out who created it.
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I do not put efforts into the flesh. I am just saying that Allah is not responsible for all the vain things that man create.
However, the Creator made all the substances which these illusive created things are made from and also make sure they are kept sustained, i.e. kept from disintegration. And when something is made, then it is the shape of that illusion which change and which illusive material that is Allah, since Allah is existence itself like a huge sphere.
It is not like it is Allah's idea to make weapons of all sorts like swords or firearms, but that is a bad idea of humans yet it was the platform of Allah that let it be created. But it does not mean that these are goodly items nor that Allah is responsible for the production of the idea of making the weapons.
If you believe that then you are slightly mistaken about how Allah works.
And drfazl has the same idea about it.
Salaam
So you're saying that somehow a thing can exist in some form and Allah has not created it at all in any way? Yeah, drfazl seems to be saying the same thing. That Allah is not the creator of everything, that there are other creative powers that can create things.
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Allah has the power to forgive you; to deliver you out from the evil you have wrought upon you. No one is pure including you; and when such is the evil that we each are, where is the question of judging between right and wrong; and pure and impure! Do not judge or weigh; leave it with Allah and surrender before Him, the only Judge, the Distinguishing, The Most High, Wise.
The whole Quran was given to us and every verse has us individually in it, as the main subject with the entire world surrounding each of us. Do not go by the general thought while you know well that the Quran is meant for him who reads it for want of guidance all through his life. It is not for Muhammad. And if the Quran is for all the prophets, then it is for all of us.
What happens all through my life is Allah creates newer world for me in my every breath; this is what is happening in everyone's each breathing but most fail to perceive. Do not be astonished about this; some day or the other when you keep up constancy, in the guidance of Allah, surely you will come to know of this Truth, before death touches every one of you.
You must use your intelligence and the Qur'an to decide between things, no? I see a baby being killed, but I can't say that is bad? I can't judge it?
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Freedom,
You really complicate things.
Depends on how you see it. If you see only as far as your eyes see, then Allah is clearly the doer of it because it is the illusive physical reality that performs the action to create an artificial item. Yet Allah is not on a mental level not responsible for the mixture of material which forms this artificial item. In that case you have a scapegoat to blame all evil in the world on Allah such as making synthetic drugs or other volatile substances and items. That is not truly Allah Wisely Knowing, is it?
Your logic is also what I criticized before when I said you were disrespectful to Allah because you attribute evil on Allah, because you say Allah is its initiator. But that is an evil spirit and that is not Allah.
Salaam
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You must use your intelligence and the Qur'an to decide between things, no? I see a baby being killed, but I can't say that is bad? I can't judge it?
Judge the incidences based on this respect Allah does not harm any one; but he harms himself. This is Quran. Now gather up all information you have, and muster up every bit of your intelligence to suit this truth; otherwise seek from Allah for enlightenment which will be definitely above and more beautiful as Allah Guides you through His wisdom.
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Yes you seem to have misunderstood me, and I only copy pasted what the Qur'an had said about creating for hell, but you never understood my meaning anyway.
You said "Allah does not create harm" but then you talk about Allah creating hell, then you talk about Allah not wanting people to go to hell or implying that. If you don't want people to go somewhere, why would you create the place? Does Allah not accomplish what Allah wants? When I said I was your friend, it is because I was guiding you correctly, I wasn't talking conjecture. I know you think you know what you're talking about, but you should really think about what you are saying. Think also about everything that is "harm" in this Universe, and try to figure out who created it.
If I have misunderstood then you should have known you should not copy paste the ayats for jesting; but use it only for justified appreciation of the wholesomeness of Allah's attributes. When did you give your appreciative meaning for me to understand with respect to the happenings around us? It is you who say I only copy pasted; do you mean that is copy pasting is your meaning?
Allah does not create harm for you; He has created heavens and hell and not hell alone; He wishes to guide and create the way for the obedient that leads them to heaven; we are to follow His wisdom and stay away from your decomposed information based knowledge - it is because man is created with a purpose i.e., to reach the heaven first to set out on the journey thereafter to His nearness for endless glorious lives ahead stages after stages. Again, we remember Allah does not create harm. If I ask youIf you want to go to hell or heaven you would say heaven, isn't it? and surely you will not say, 'hell'. There cannot be such argument as this because Allah has given me the information 'It is Me, Allah who has created for you hell also, so why don't you visit me there too'. But Allah will say I created for you the heavens; follow me; do not follow the footsteps of shaitan who I had created and end yourself up in hell. This is Allah's word and He would accomplish His Will if you follow the righteousness following Allah.