Whether God could create a God?
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IAMOP has been wise and added wisdom from out of the scope of Islam.
Quran says the same except that the interpretation is lackluster to say the least. Nirvana is a universal concept and it is the same in the Middle-Eastern realization which people erroneously objectify as Islam and a Pagan religion while Islam can likely be referring to the same phenomenon.
The important lesson is that Allah should not be treated separately or that is idolatry but it is an assimilation that should take place, a merging with the Creator and act in its spirit.Salaam
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Truth,
You have reached far, but you will not reach the ultimate goal because you listen too much to the word of men and trust man made sources. Why do you believe so strongly that traditional meanings and definitions of Arabic are true to 100%? Do you not see that you are exposed to immense bias?
Salaam
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And no, it is not hard to know that the Creator exists. It is a logical process of thinking and it is as clear as glass that there is intelligence beyond normal measures.
And by affinity means to stay within the same spiritual image as Allah.
And salateh as follow yourself is not contradictory in Quran unless interpretation is wrong. I myself analyzed the whole Quran. It is basically only 1187 that has problems and I am going to look at it.
And you seem unaware of the fact that is pronounced "teh", it is a compound letter consisting of and . The same letter exists in Hebrew using another symbol. It has an abstract reference compared to the standard .
But you do not think I am unto something so that probably does not matter to you nor the fact a single letter begins chapter 38 and 68 followed by a conjunction forcing the letter to have its own meaning in any sensible literal composition.
Salaam
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Salaam Man of Faith,
What is the problem with "turning towards" the infinite Creator? The illusion of separateness while being in the physical existence can be overcome by salat/"turning towards" the infinite Creator, and then assimilating or merging with it.
I am not denying the possibility that certain letters can have a certain meaning. What I want to know is the SOURCE of your letter meanings. How do you know what you are proposing is the real meaning of a letter? Anyone can claim a letter to have any meaning and thereby translate any word to anything one desires. So what is the source of your letter meanings? Were the meanings divinely channeled to you by the infinite Creator?
I am pretty sure that you don't know the correct letter meanings if they do have a meaning, because when you use your letter meanings to translate verses of al-quran, it doesn't make any sense. Also you cannot switch around the order of the words in a verse and you cannot translate "fajr" as "dawn" in one verse and "wickedness" in another verse, and you cannot omit entire phrases from a verse. All of that is intellectual dishonesty and deception and destroys your credibility.
Readers can see what I am referring to here, especially in 1187, 11114, 1778, 2458
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg358252#msg358252
For example if an English sentence says
"The General commanded his soldiers to attack"
And you tell a non English speaking person that the sentence is saying
"The commanded General attacked his soldiers"
It will be intellectual dishonesty and deception.
This is similar to what you are doing with verses of al-quran.
Instead of inventing and fabricating meanings of letters and twisting the verses of al-quran to fit your desires, why are you ignoring the possibility that some of the verses in al-quran could have been tampered with and that's why they don't make any sense? How is that outside the realm of possibilities especially when historical documents exist which show the existence of different codices of al-quran soon after its revelation and then a person with no divine authority arbitrarily selecting one of the codices and destroying the others
http//www.inthenameofallah.org/Codices%20of%20the%20Quran.html
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Truth
I am NOT inventing meanings in Quran.
Several of the terms I investigated are true
Kafar means fabricator
Iman means realize
Muslim means "person with faith/confidence"
Salateh means what ways you follow, and of course synchronously with Allah. Your course of action.
Qtl means convince/exhortAnd a sea of other words. It is others who either fabricate or follow fabricated meanings.
The reason why the words do not always make sense is because entire segments of text are wrong because not even Arabic grammar is understood properly.
I have realized something, truthseeker. I am not inventing letter meanings and I study carefully.
And there are no prayer/connection timings. Those are imaginative inferences of the text such as that YOU blame me for.
And I apologize for translating fajr as wickedness in one passage and dawn in the other. One interpretation of a word is obviously right. If I have to choose it is wickedness. I do not have my own translation finished yet so I rely partially on Monotheist Translation when proving some individual point.
Salaam
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Several of the terms I investigated are true
True??...
But, perhaps those meanings of yours may change again in the future, right?
How we can be sure that this time you will not change those meanings again?
By saying that those are true, then it implies that those meanings are correct and assuredly.
Meanwhile, I think it's pretty often (frequently) that you brought new meanings to replace previous meanings that you presented.
I told you please be careful, but you don't seem listen to my advice.
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Salaam,
I did change some initially before I made a total realization. But I have not changed the salateh meaning for at least half a year. It does mean very similar to what I am at now.
I say ways now instead of behavior, but that is because critics force me to make a better translation. Ways is a fine-tuned version of behavior because they said it was ambiguous. And the root salawa means to follow/perceive. One should be aware of the way they lead their life to have the Rabb be with them, that is what the Rabb conveyed to Moses.
Ketaab I said decree for a very long time instead of book but I have realized it means knowledge. The initial change from book was right and I used ketab's alternative meaning as according to lexicons. I worked according to traditional methods and yielded moderate success. Decree is still better and more accurate than book. But its (ketaab) absolute meaning is simply 'knowledge' and its root means to teach/instruct, literally 'make knowledgeable'. That is why it traditionally has been inferred to mean decree from the root's meaning of teach/instruct.
Ahl al-ketaab is a phrase that is supposed to indicate 'scholar'.
I honestly have made a realization and it is not what I myself have come up with due to my personal desires.
Salaam
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Ahl alketaab = "Be attached to" knowledge, i.e. scholar.
Salaam
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Salaam Man of Faith,
But I have not changed the salateh meaning for at least half a year.
More dishonesty and deception.
October 2, 2014 "quyyum al-salat" means "to stay in the light"
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606738.msg357411#msg357411
October 23, 2014 "quyyum al-salat" means "mind the behavior"
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg358252#msg358252
Now suddenly, 3-4 months later, "quyyum al-salat" means "mind the ways".
I say ways now instead of behavior, but that is because critics force me to make a better translation. Ways is a fine-tuned version of behavior because they said it was ambiguous.
"Ways" is also ambiguous. "Ways" can be "good ways" or "bad ways" or "crooked way" or "straight way". Also, "ways" are timeless and not limited to certain times of the day. "Ways" itself is a neutral word and does not mean good, bad, crooked, or straight. If you say "ways" then you have to specify "good ways" or "bad ways" or "straight way".
This is why "3amal salehin" is likely to mean "ways/deeds" because it specifies "good ways/deeds". Also "siraat al-mustaqeem" is likely to mean "way/path" because it qualifies "straight way/path".
"Aqimi al-salat" cannot mean "mind the ways" because minding ways is continuous for 24 hours of the day, and not limited to certain times of the day as you yourself have translated in 11114 and 1778.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg358252#msg358252
HOW DOES MINDING WAYS COMMAND YOU HOW TO LEAD YOUR LIFE (1187)?
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Allah is ever existing; and gods and mini-gods were never existing; never shall exist.
What is Allah? What is God?
Allah is the Creator and Sustainer of all beings and things tangible and intangible in the infinity, let alone the entire universe, only for the sake of man; God is the helper, the protector and the Forgiver and the Creator of newer and higher levels of liveliness for him, while blessing him with more and more Godliness in Him.
Allah is the God and He never creates besides Him as gods and demigods.
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well, jedi
salaam all,
well, there's something wrong about my purposed based on this question.
OK, I will make it clear.If you're believe God is almighty, Whether God could create a God?
I think an ordinary man (or say let's think with a child's mind) will consider the results of the 2 thoughts below
- If could, there's will be 2 God(s) would be control this universe.
- If couldn't, certainly God is NOT almighty.
Can we answer this question clearly?
salaam..
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I suppose you never understand me right. There is nothing beyond the Rabb in existence , it is the foundation, but those who choose to exist in that should be as angels and that is pretty close to being god without being one since you are in the image of the Rabb.
And truth,
Mind the behavior and mind the ways is the same meaning. I adjusted it because of people like you talk about ambiguity.
And no for God sake, ways is not ambiguous. Of course ways can be good or bad but I already wrote you about this. For God sake truth, cannot you see that your ways is how you see how you behave in your life and it is yourself who shape your life.
If it is true that it was as late as in October I found the right meaning I apologize. I discovered that the word had no relevancy with connection.
And amal salehin means to act in a seemly way and the word salah is occasionally mentioned alongside with salateh.
Salateh has a similar meaning as salah if you cannot understand this on your own. It is in the word structure.
And I am not going to change salateh from what I suggest now when I had a breakthrough. It has been a constant struggle to pinpoint exactly what salateh meant, but since I begun to use the letter method it is way more accurate than before.
Salaam
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Truth,
Nevertheless it has been a slow progress but yet a progress on salateh. It is hard to relearn a millennium of distortion. I made gradual progress and it is seen through my progress on this forum in the way of knowledge.I have not changed myself for 4 months regarding salateh. And I knew only since last summer that it is no ritual or meditation which is timed. Before that I did not have enough substantial signs that there is no timing prescribed in those blasted passages. I had suspicions for the whole last year of 2014
that something was not right with salateh.I could have been holding back my discoveries before I had fixed the exact meaning, but I used this forum as a ventilation shaft and I thought it was good to challenge the new understanding on other minds and that it a good method. You, yourself, just recently highlighted a problem in 1178 which I obviously have to deal with. I now have to look at .
And salateh is not something timed nor connection to God except indirectly by minding your ways/paying attention to who you are.
Since I obviously saw salateh as light as late as the October 2 it was then I dropped the connection part. And when I noticed about the 'to follow' part of the definition I know I am on the right track. Of course if you do choose the mindful way of leading your life then you are in the light.
The opposite is by letting the beast you (instincts) control your life and your decisions. Salateh is nevertheless about making the right path-taking in life.
I will, if God permits take a look at 1187 and salatek tamrek and see what the meaning should be like. It is worth noticing that in salateh is changed with indicating that is not supporting the view of salet eh of being reference to "he" so there simply is nothing that shows any relationship for praying/connection in the word. The in the usual version of the salateh word refers to the audience of the text while the is supposed to mark abstract characteristic. And said for months that the combination is meaning "perceive/follow to be".
Another thought-provoker is why salateh is NEVER mentioned in conjunction with the word Allah or Rabb. It is never mentioned together with it.
And because in 1187 and other passages salawa is salatak then in salateh does not indicate "him" (third- person singular pronoun for God). Do you even realize that is a compound of and
Salaam
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And salateh as follow yourself is not contradictory in Quran unless interpretation is wrong. I myself analyzed the whole Quran. It is basically only 1187 that has problems and I am going to look at it.
Salam MoF
I also think that salateh means to follow and the context informs us what to follow. Reflecting on verses from 1184-86 I see people were advised to be honest in their weighing. Salateh in 1187 is referring to follow the advice. That's why people said that following this salateh they cannot handle their possessions (amwal) as they wish. In 1188 Shu'aib says I want to set things right as far as I can.
To me it is quite clear what salateh refer to here and what they were advised to follow and what was the problem if they don't follow it (They loose control of their amwal.)
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Salaam Novice,
It is good to see that another has begun to see the right interpretation of salateh. It is indeed hard to put an exact word for a word that has been followed by deception for over thousand years. When I made the proper realization I put it as behavior (October 2014 apparently) and later changed it to "ways" after criticism on ambiguity due to the neutral meaning and lack of precision overall.
My argument is that the root means "Follow/perceive To " where the last is entirely depending on word usage such as in which reflects upon the character of the context. An example is just in 1187 where it says instead of . The is merely a compound of and . In it reflects upon Shu'ayb's perception.
The question for me is which English word is best to use for translation of salateh rather than what it actually means which is already clear to me. Do you personally have any suggestion for "Perceive/conceive/follow To Be" in English?
I am not sure if you share my optimism concerning "innate letter meanings" but you may want to ponder upon the lonely letters that begin certain chapters followed by a clear conjunction (و.
In 1187 then they ask Shu'ayb if his perception of being or even culture commands him concerning their bad habits. I am still looking at to see if it exactly means command. It ought to literally mean "Be Thereof Concretely" and shares letter combination with which means "Be Thereof One" and I interpret as "to realize/make real'. It would seem the amr would imply 'to be firm' or 'implement'. It could also be that the amr could mean that the salatek makes Shu'ayb determined, i.e. his perception on being causes him to see this as a must.
It does still lack the connection meaning which many people propagate. I deem the connection part to be conjectural input into lexicons. The only "connection" you may have is by having the right perception.
Salaam
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Salaam Novice,
It would seem rather means consensus, no matter if it is just within your own mind or in a group. If you check Lane's Lexicon the root has a definition as to mark counsel and what do you get from counseling? A decision and you are thus determined. This is also why the word is related to through only a letter difference because instead of being realized you are determined about something.
And if it is the decision of Allah then it is obviously indirectly a command even if this is a preconceived meaning that people have been mistaken about.
And you need to realize that the preposition is highly related to where means 'of ' then with it means you are of as in realized about something. means simply realized about God but it more means that you are of affinity (same attribute(s) highlighted) than belief.
I have tried hard to get positive response on all my work so I hope I eventually can get someone jumping on the train instead of trying to stop it.
Salaam
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Salam MoF
It is good to see that another has begun to see the right interpretation of salateh. It is indeed hard to put an exact word for a word that has been followed by deception for over thousand years. When I made the proper realization I put it as behavior (October 2014 apparently) and later changed it to "ways" after criticism on ambiguity due to the neutral meaning and lack of precision overall.
2256
Sahih International
There shall be no compulsion in the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.DO we have to translate salateh with one word? I have found that it refers to following whatever is mentioned in the context.
2238 for example is embedded between details of divorce and salawate is in plural form referring to all the commands in the context. salat-ul-wusta is singular which refers to the prime duty in regards to the commands i.e. protecting dignity/rights of females during the divorce process. There has been debates to find out which prayer is salat-ul-wusta. But verses before and after make it wide clear what salateh means here.
My argument is that the root means "Follow/perceive To " where the last is entirely depending on word usage such as in which reflects upon the character of the context. An example is just in 1187 where it says instead of . The is merely a compound of and . In it reflects upon Shu'ayb's perception.
No second opinion comes to my understanding here. Yes refer to what Shu'aib was following (GOD's commands) and asking his community to follow in my humble understanding.
The question for me is which English word is best to use for translation of salateh rather than what it actually means which is already clear to me. Do you personally have any suggestion for "Perceive/conceive/follow To Be" in English?
The term salateh becomes clear to everyone who wants to see it in the context without following the ritualistic interpretations made during past 14 centuries. My personal understanding is what I said earlier that salateh is a comprehensive term referring to follow what is in the context. Primarily for me it means to follow closely.
I am not sure if you share my optimism concerning "innate letter meanings" but you may want to ponder upon the lonely letters that begin certain chapters followed by a clear conjunction (و.
There could be meanings to the individual letters but I have no source available to me in this regard. But understanding Qur'an requires a clean mind without any background music of interpretations and stories and then GOD helps you understand the true message.
...... amr could mean that the salatek makes Shu'ayb determined, i.e. his perception on being causes him to see this as a must.
Of course when one understand what GOD has commanded to follow then one becomes very determined.
It does still lack the connection meaning which many people propagate. I deem the connection part to be conjectural input into lexicons. The only "connection" you may have is by having the right perception.
Let others interpret it as connection. With sincerity they will come to the truth at some time. I took me about five long years to find out the meaning of salateh with the help of GOD through His Book. We are not the only ones coming to this conclusion but the voice of those who reached the same understanding in the past, had been silenced by the majority. It will remain like this because once meaning of salateh is understood then all control and authority on masses and resourses is lost which is not acceptable to the supressors (Far'oans, Hamans and Qaroons of any time). Muttiqeen will keep on following their salateh like Sho'aib and Kuffar will continue to repeat history unless GOD wills differently.
Salaam
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Salaam Novice,
I would probably also have said "what the heck" four years ago. Connection is not accurate, but it does not really matter since a person is supposed to follow in the footsteps (do not take literally) of the spirit of the Sustainer anyway.
It is only that I do not wish people to succumb to the Pagan delusion of a timed ritual connected to the word salateh in their ignorance and I wish to help them get out of that delusion. It is hard indeed to do that however due to the hard coded imprint that it has left. But I try to collect as many substantial signs as possible and hope someone is convinced eventually.
I am actually in a learning process myself still and I do not know Quran perfectly in its corrected version. However certain words I am beyond doubt sure about and salateh is one of them. It is no timed ritual.
Salaam
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Peace Novice,
I agree that meaning of saad-laam-wa depends on context.
In 11114, 1778, 2458, 4102, 629 it clearly means a method of "turning towards" the God for remembrance and reflection on God's signs to seek guidance at certain time/period, and not "following God's commands". Following God's commands is CONTINUOUS for 24 HOURS A DAY, and not limited to certain times of the day.
Also in 3356 God and angels don't follow the Prophet closely.
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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I am actually in a learning process myself still and I do not know Quran perfectly in its corrected version. However certain words I am beyond doubt sure about and salateh is one of them. It is no timed ritual.
Salaam Mam of Faith
Everyone is in a learning process. No one is perfect and no one can claim that he knows Qur'an perfectly because its a living book and its understanding will keep on changing with increase in human knowledge. But the fundamentals of DEEN will remain the same. And it is for sure that timed ritual cannot be established from Qur'an. One has to follow human hadith, history and tafseers to practice ritual prayer. Have faith and keep on giving your understanding because truth always prevail.
Salaam