Does Islam allow homosexuality?
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Tynan Power, female-to-male transgender based in Northampton (Massachusetts), progressive Muslim writer, co-coordinator of the Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity, co-chair of the LGBT Muslim Retreat, and founder of the Pioneer Valley Progressive Muslims
"Non-Muslims who believe all Muslims are homophobic are misinformed. Part of the blame is certainly on Western media, which tends to paint all Muslims with a very limited palette. However, part of the responsibility is also on the individual, for not questioning such generalizations. It?s my view that assuming all Muslims are homophobic is, in itself, playing into heterosexism, because it is assuming that all Muslims are heterosexual."
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'I am gay and muslim' is a documentary by Chris Belloni, visiting Marocco where he talked to 3 homosexual youngsters about their quest for religious and sexual identity.
http//iamgayandmuslim.com/
https//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4iAGd0jJ0do"While most of you are fighting to earn homosexuals the right of marriage, Syrian liberals are fighting for homosexuals right to exist without harassment and social exclusion. We look forward for a free Syria where love is held as high standard and citizens are granted their freedoms and treated equally regardless of their sexual orientation and preferences. Syrian homosexuals exist in large numbers but often living without expressing their sexuality in fear of both government and religious society prosecution. As a Syrian atheist I know very well how it feels to be prosecuted on religious grounds and offer full support to the 'Just Like You' ' ' campaign that Arab homosexuals have started to demand acceptance of their rights."
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Muhsin Hendricks, 41 years old, imam, Kaapstad
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Your arguments are so weak and trivial, that they are almost laughable.
In case you did not notice, animals are intellectually inferior creatures! Thus, comparing Man's (advanced) moral sense with their basic instinct is clearly a moronic approach. Further, as far as the observed evidence is concerned, animal species show a procreation instinct to mate with the opposite sex, except for a few exceptions that may exhibit BIsexual behavior, but whose overall intention cannot be classified as such.
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This topic always gets heated. Homosexuality is against the design of the flesh is all I say personally. On a soul level it would not matter, but however then instincts would not matter for that sake either.
Yet it is fairly redundant to get involved in homosexual pleasure because it is unproductive, but that depends on one's worldliness. Basically any person could twist themselves into being gay. It is stereotypes which prevents most.
Salaam
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Ah, I feel love is in the air (?)
Salaam
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This topic always gets heated. Homosexuality is against the design of the flesh is all I say personally. On a soul level it would not matter, but however then instincts would not matter for that sake either.
Yet it is fairly redundant to get involved in homosexual pleasure because it is unproductive, but that depends on one's worldliness. Basically any person could twist themselves into being gay. It is stereotypes which prevents most.
Salaam
That's your opinion. Since you're not the "pope of Islam" or God we can only take this as your personal opinion. My understanding was this topic is about whether homosexuality is allowed in Islam, so any argumentation should be backed up with Quranic sources. If not, they are just personal opinions and totally irrelevant to this thread.
You say it's redundant because its unproductive. In analogy, a lot of galaxies in this universe are redundant as well as they never produced life or not even stars. Many species got extinct and are not alive anymore. Still God created them. God does not create things that are violating His own system. Your criteria are obviously flawed. Your understanding anyone can be twisted into being gay, is just ridiculous and unscientific. You try that and let us know how it worked. P
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... this topic is about whether homosexuality is allowed in Islam, so any argumentation should be backed up with Quranic sources. If not, they are just personal opinions and totally irrelevant to this thread.
Sigh~
Then, why can't you provide one single (Quranic) evidence in favor of homosexuality !?
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Simple answer. It's not mentioned in Quran at all. If it was sinful it would have certainly been mentioned. Similarly, how to wipe your butt is nowhere mentioned in Quran, still I assume you are wiping your butt without feeling like you are violating Gods system with it.
You are injecting rules into Gods system. You are filling in the gaps as you feel is right. Quran clearly warns against doing such a thing.
You can still be a homophobic yourself but there is no proof whatsoever God is sharing that opinion.
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I'll ignore the insults you made (I'll let a moderator deal with that part) and ask you to show your quranic evidence.
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Then, why can't you provide one single (Quranic) evidence in favor of homosexuality !?
This request is not rational. The reason being that nobody can provide specific verses in support of MOST things they encounter in life. For example, please give me the verse in support of using computers and the internet. You won't find such a verse. So, the RATIONAL rules of interpretation should be to not assume that something is ILLEGAL unless there is a LAW against it. In the same manner, if you cannot make a case AGAINST homosexuality based on the Qur'an, it automatically gets a green signal from Qur'an.
Peace
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I'll ignore the insults you made (I'll let a moderator deal with that part) ...
Fair enough.
Just make sure you point out your innocent and respectful reply first. Especially the part where you assume I wipe my butt.
and ask you to show your quranic evidence.
My Quranic evidence can be found in the free-minds' topic index.
Search for a Quranic Topic named 'Homosexuality'
You'll be directed to the following passages 415-16, 26165-166, 2755, 2928-29 -
Fair enough.
Just make sure they read your innocent reply first.Especially the part where you assume I wipe my butt.
I don't see how that's an insult. It was just a mundane example of a topic not covered within Quran that is normal human behaviour.
My quranic evidence can be found in the free-minds topic index (here).
Search for a topic named 'homosexuality'
You''ll be given the following passages 415-16, 26165-166, 2755, 2928-29415-16 contains no reference to homosexuality. I'm assuming you see evidence in the word fahisha being used. But fahisha is nowhere in Quran defined as including any sexual sin.
26165-166 "Do you approach the men among the worlds" is no reference to homosexual behaviour. The men among the worlds in the story of Lut are the angels visiting Lut. Are you saying the whole crowd men, women, the elderly were all trying to homosexually rape these angels? If so this only gives proof of your perverted mind and lack of rationality.
2755 "Approach the men with lust" again is no reference to homosexuality. The men are the angels visiting Lut. The word translated as lust has no occurrence in entire Quran of referring to sexual lust, in contrary. It's among other examples used for "attraction caused by fascination" as one who is drawn to magic. Approaching in this verse describes the movement of the crowd. There is no evidence of it implying to be a sexual approach. If you think about it, it cant be a sexual approach since it was an entire crowd. Men, women, children all being homosexual rapists? Right -)
2928-29 Committing immorality it says. Again the definition of fahisha in Quran has no evidence of including sexual immorality. You define homosexuality as immoral and you have made them synonyms but there is no evidence for it in Quran.Again, this shows you are injecting your own value system and feeling of what's moral into Quran and attributing your system to God.
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Let's be patient, brother hicham9.
We should be grateful that Allah protects us from supporting such an immorality. It is a blessing from Allah that I am not among people who support immoral lifestyle.
May Allah bless you and increase His guidance for you, brother. )
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This request is not rational. The reason being that nobody can provide specific verses in support of MOST things they encounter in life. For example, please give me the verse in support of using computers and the internet. You won't find such a verse. So, the RATIONAL rules of interpretation should be to not assume that something is ILLEGAL unless there is a LAW against it. In the same manner, if you cannot make a case AGAINST homosexuality based on the Qur'an, it automatically gets a green signal from Qur'an.
Sorry, but I don't like wasting time repeating myself!
Soccer is not in Quran.
Ducks aren't in Quran.
Internet isn't in Quran.Are you condemning those as well?
Nop! because instead of teaching us how to play man-made games (such as soccer), or how to use man-made things (such as a computer) or what not, Our Master teachs us to be authentic, guard our chastity by avoiding lewdness, AND EMBRACE THE (COMPATIBLE) MATES THAT WERE ASSIGNED TO US (in my case a female).
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If Quran would contain anything condemning homosexuality it would be contradicting the entire message we find in Quran. Does God promote social injustice, discrimination, oppression, persecution in Quran? No, God condemns such a thing in Quran. This should make you rethink your position hicham9, next to the total lack of Quranic evidence supporting your views. By your standards Vladimir Putin would be the perfect Muslim.
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hicham9, are you perhaps an ex-sunni?
because what you are doing is exactly the same thing as the sunni's expectation that God needs to give us instructions for everything. From how we should wash ourselves, how we should pray up to how one should experience their sexuality. They abuse this flawed argument to justify their belief in Quran-violating hadith.
To me you have all the traits of still not being freed of the sunni brainwashing. Which is a sad thing. I hope one day you will be able to transcend the indoctrinations that were forced onto you. Nowhere am I expecting anyone to support or say homosexuality is wonderful. Anyone can think what they want about it. You can still be averse to the concept while not falsely attributing this as a command by God.
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Let's be patient, brother hicham9.
We should be grateful that Allah protects us from supporting such an immorality. It is a blessing from Allah that I am not among people who support immoral lifestyle.
May Allah bless you and increase His guidance for you, brother. )
Thank you for the kind words, my sister.
Unlike these devils, you're an angel.
May G-D bless you for being authentic, wise, and loyal (to The Master of the worldlings).SLM
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Why don't you refrain from the insults for a brief moment and try to step into a logical an rational debate hicham9?
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Who knows? I am perhaps the "pope of Islam".
What is it that is not backed up with information from the text called Quran?
It is not productive? What does it yield except pleasure?
And anyone could become gay if not their thinking prevented them.
Some people seem to be born with wrong proportions of hormones and thus have a body that instinctively is attracted to the other sex, but that is natural, because the body was coming out that way and the person cannot help it. And concerning innate homosexuality in individuals not showing any bodily diversion is hard to tell, and I have not tried to read their minds.
But homosexual thoughts I consider that anyone could project given the circumstances.
Whatever the reason is, it is against the design, because the flesh is not anatomically designed for the activity.
It is quite a dull analogy you use with empty solar systems and galaxies. Since there is no life there then there was no guided evolution anyway.
But the male and female physical bodies are evolutionary developed for copulation. Male-male or female-female does not biologically produce anything.
Anything beyond is pleasure in their respective ways. It depends on if one finds it worth having homosexual copulation for pleasure.
The biggest crime if one in the history of Lot is that they force their victims to have sex.
And it would appear that it seems shameful that they prefer men over females since the crowd rejects Lot's daughters.
But unless further comprehensive shocks with the text it is unlikely that the people did engage in homosexual intercourse and that it is regarded as negative.
No matter embarrassing or not it is against the anatomical design of the physical bodies.
Salaam