Do nonmuslims who criticise the quran know how to study the quran properly?
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Peace Mughal1.
Qoran is the "living messenger". Do not worry about it, the invisible soldiers of GOD are guarding it.
This generation and future generations are lucky to witness the second coming of the Qoran that contains the "Dhikr".
Praise be to the Lord of the universe.
GOD bless you.
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Salamun alaika, Mughal 1,
Well elaborated the point about language.
Grand Qur'aan is a book. Rules, regulations and practices in vogue for reading, translating, comprehending and interpreting books in target language should be applied and the Qur'aan will seem the most simple to understand book.
Academic translation of Grand Qur'aan has never been done. We should try to learn the skill for real-time translation of Grand Qur'aan to attempt grasping its message by hearing the voice of its Author and Relayer.
Grand Qur'aan in the 21st Century
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Peace Mughal1.
Qoran is the "living messenger". Do not worry about it, the invisible soldiers of GOD are guarding it.
This generation and future generations are lucky to witness the second coming of the Qoran that contains the "Dhikr".
Praise be to the Lord of the universe.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace dear good logic. Of course, we do not need to worry about preservation of the message because Allah knows full well his plan and how to bring it to its fulfilment but we are human beings and we have been assigned a part to play in grand scheme of things so we do need to worry about that so that world is aware of guidance of Allah and follows it for its own well being instead of living by self invented ways of life based upon personal gains at the expense of each other and thereby remaining in state of permanent painful suffering.
God bless and all the best.
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To deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent message of quran is dangerous, why?
It is very dangerous for humanity to deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent the message of the quran because the quran itself carries many warnings in it. The context of the message of the quran is very simple in this regard ie make proper sense of the message of the quran and follow it faithfully and you are guaranteed blissful, dignified and secure existence in this liofe as well as in here after as a proper human community. Avoid it, ignore it, misinterpret it or misrepresent it then you the mankind are in such a big trouble that you cannot even imagine.
As I have explained already in detail how the quran should be understood, it also seems necessary to explain why the quran should not be understood through sources of lesser importance than the quran itself.
Scientific way of understanding the quran is requirement of the quran itself. It is because the first source of information for humanity is its life experiences based upon its God given brains, senses and other provisions without which human beings cannot know a thing let alone understand the message of God. This is an undeniable and unchallengeable fact that human beings cannot know what logic is what consistency is unless they first understand things in the real world.
This being the case the quranic interpretation therefore has to be based upon facts and not fictions since nothing is as authentic as facts before our senses and our logically consistent interpretation of facts therefore interpreting the quran independent of fact is just turning the quran into a fiction. This is why the quran must not be interpreted wrong way round or the quran will not make sense no matter how hard we try make sense of it that way. Failing to make sense of the text of the quran has not just serious but fatal consequences let alone it landing us human beings in blissful, dignified and secure existence.
The other main reason for not interpreting the quran the wrong way nor accepting its interpretations based on wrong way is that such interpretations by muslims provide nonmuslims with reasons to criticise the quran so instead of people accepting the message of the quran ignore it and ridicule it. Not only that but even educated muslims themselves become doubtful about claims in the quran and therefore start doubting the message of the quran thinking it is just a made up stuff and therefore a waste of time to try to live the way it tells as explained by molvies who are ignorant of actual facts about the real world realities.
A most important question for muslims to consider is, how do nonmuslims look at the quran and messenger of deen of islam if we look at the quran through hadis for example?
Their argument in that case is very simple that if the messenger of Allah understood the quran the way his mindset, attitude and behaviour is depicted in the hadis reports then that is exactly what he was told to carry out by the quran and because a lot of stuff in hadis books is questionable therefore the character of prophet and authenticity of the quran also becomes questionable. It is because then authenticity of the quran becomes dependent upon hadis works which are human works in their origin.
So it is time that molvies and their followers start realising what they are actually doing when they try to push the idea of interpretation of the quran through hadis or questionable historical accounts.
This is why muslims must accept the understanding of the quran through facts and not fictitious stories as basis for proper understanding of the quranic message. If we accept facts as basis for the interpretation of the message of the quran then there is nothing wrong with accepting hadis reports or
historical accounts that do not contradict facts otherwise we have no choice but to reject them as fictional.People who do not accept quranic message based on facts cannot convince nonmuslims for the truth of the message of the quran ever. This is why mullahs never enter open and decisive debates with nonmuslims because they already know they have no solid grounds to stand upon which clearly distinguishes the quran as the unique scripture in the world. If we want worldwide ummah then we need to establish a solid ground for ourselves before we can take message of the quran to the rest of the world in an effective way that can produce results that really matter because solid ground has to be solid enough that when it is put to the test it proves its worth by standing to reason or logical consistency.
Unless we do all this we stand to lose educated people to nonmuslim world as education takes roots in our muslim states while gaining back mainly only emotionally disturbed people who are looking for support instead of bringing us support because they cannot due to being emotional wrecks already themselves. It is because nonmuslim way of life only suits people who can compete in their societies effectively and that means people who have strength to do that. So we are bound to become more and more collection of rejects than an ummah that is strong enough to face the ruthless nonmuslim world head on with logical consistency.
We who claim to be muslims therefore need to become like sir syed, farahi, iqbal, jinnah and parwez than stay ignorant fools unable to express strength of our deen of islam effectively. This is why my work on the quran must be taken seriously by those who have concern of ummah at heart as well as of wider human population.
So long as we do not interpret the message of the quran properly and help others understand its message properly, animosity between human beings will remain intact and all sorts of wars will continue and grow in intensity between muslims and nonmuslims as well as among muslims themselves. It is because the very ground that can unite muslims and nonmuslims is also the only ground that can bring unity among muslims as well. So it is up to ourselves whether we want our world for our future generations to be a world Allah wants us to struggle for or the opposite. This is why we can bring about a united, peaceful, progressive and prosperous world by being a proper human community based upon guidance of Allah or a world that is much more dangerous than the one we ourselves inherited from our ancestors.
It is very important for all people to realise that none can understand anything at all without going through process of learning by way of direct interaction with things. This being the case, how can people claim they know the quran when they have no idea about real world realities that the quran talks about?
1)Is it not true that people are born knowing nothing at all? If it is then where does their knowledge come from if not from interaction with things in the real world?
2)Is it not true that Allah has given people brains and senses and bodies and provisions as well as his revelations so that people could first learn sense through things by way of interaction with things and once they have learned sense then they could get guidance from his revelations as to how to live properly by way of using provided things properly?
3)Which sect mullahs have explained deen of islam from the quran on basis of real world realities as they were supposed to according to the quran itself? If they did not then why people are following them?
4)So is it not time yet for this ummah to educate itself and give up foolishness and stupidity or does it want to continue its needless painful suffering yet longer?
5)The quran does not teach humanity dependence upon God beyond provisions and guidance for their use. The rest is up to people not God. A very clear message of the quran for humanity. You can complain all you like and as quiet or noisy as you like or cry to God all you like day and night but in the end it is people themselves who are made responsible to do things for themselves and each other as proper human community. So what are you doing to bring about the proper human community so that kingdom based upon guidance of Allah could become a reality so that people could have blissful, dignified and secure existence?
6)All mullahs are devils in disguise who do not tell the truth about the deen of Allah. They are fooling the born ignorant and that is criminal. So get out of nonsense of mullahs and start using your own brains if you want to succeed in this life as well as in here after. Remember, people who do not learn to use provisions of Allah properly can never succeed in here or in hereafter. Success and failure is given in the hands of people themselves by their creator. So you are your own saviours. It is you in trouble so save yourselves with help of each other as you are supposed to as a proper human community. So do what needs to be done and stop wasting time in doing things that lead nowhere and waste time instead and by the end lead us into self destruction.
7)So when are you going to learn and start relying upon yourselves instead of looking to God who told you already what he had to tell you in his book? So first become sensible by getting needed life experience and then read it to get needed guidance and then get up and do what needs to be done that is proper deen of islam according to the quran. Anything other than that you read in translations of the quran are works of mullahs to make fools of people for their own reasons so find out what those reasons are or suffer the consequences for staying ignorant fools.
Mullaism must not be taken as deen of islam because it is not and no way any of the mullahs or their slaves can prove their nonsense as deen of islam. It is time for ummah to educate itself out of ignorance and stupidity. It is time to become literate, educated, trained, skilled and thinking because future only and only belongs to highly knowledgeable, highly thinking and very hard working people. If there is no logical consistency in an explanation it can never be true. Make beliefs and useless rituals are opposite of deen of islam and by adopting such stupidity the ummah has lost its rightful place in the world. To regain its lost rightful place in the world this is the only way or as time goes on ummah will keep on facing tougher and tougher situations that will ruin it yet more. For more please see HERE. It is a must read for all regardless muslims or nonmuslims.
Let us take first thing first. In the link provided I am offering an alternative fact based explanation to what mullahs have been feeding us over the centuries ie many made up stories about the verses of the quran as to what they mean. To validate or legitimise their nonsense they attributed their stories to the prophet of Allah because otherwise they had to answer how did they come to know what they tell us and that needed a lot of hard work in form of research and exploration for explanation which mullahs are not bothered with. With this set up they managed to fool the ignorant and the simple minded but this sort of approach does not wash with people who are better informed. Why not? Because it is truth that can be proven true not falsehood. Even if one attributed anything to God or his messenger or his scripture it has to stand to reason and consistency test to prove valid. It is because words attributed to God still need to be explained and understood how did they get their meanings which people say they have. These meanings still need to be rooted in reality otherwise they mean nothing at all. In other words, words need to be connected to the real world realities for their proper understanding because people cannot understand them otherwise and this is why the quran uses reality based explanation after explanation as examples to help humanity understand things. It is because otherwise it is like someone is talking to them in a language they never knew. This is how falsehood can be caught through testing. This is why it is possible for humanity to say what can or cannot be from God with reasonable certainty.
The second thing is that I am not including criticism of stories told by mullahs because that is a not proper use of my time at the moment otherwise I could have dismantled mullahs' stupidity and then put forth my explanation. Moreover had I done that then writings will have become yet longer. In order to help one understand my approach let me ask one, what is origin of your knowledge? How did you come to know things that you know? You will see that one has no choice but to agree that our knowledge comes from our brains and senses therefore it is based upon our life experiences. This is why our knowledge is factual. Now this being the case, can we therefore claim that any other knowledge can be as factual as that about the past or future or anything we did not experience directly? No. This is why be it the vedas, the avesta, the bible, the quran or the hadith it is only some collected information passed down to us generation after generation. We cannot be certain about its truth unless we devise a way to test things and they prove reliable or true.
So any information through any third party is dependent upon a reasonably reliable testing method for its reliability value or validity. This is why we cannot use any hadith report for anything till we are reasonably sure it is true and historical sources are yet more problematic unless we have archaeological evidences to back them up ie in some cases we do need corroboratory evidences. Our personal interpretations of facts are always much more powerful than any other source of information if they are logically consistent and sound. This is why when we explain facts and they make sense then they prove to us sufficiently reliable. It is because the world in which we are born works according to set laws as I have explained it in the main explanation. This is why anything that contradicts known facts cannot be true at all even if it is attributed to God because God is not expected to tell us nonsense. Since proving originality of the quranic text is of utmost importance therefore explanations that prove the text of quran original cannot be contradicted by mere make beliefs handed down to us by our ancestors be they in the name of Allah or his messenger etc.
Now if we look at the copies of the quran that are still existing from different times and places and they are many in numbers and they can be carbon dated, we can see how people wrote the quranic text in them. In these copies of the quran there are no such variations as we are told in the hadith books. Should we accept what is before our own eyes or should we accept hadith reports? Instead of justifying the kind of variations we find in the copies of the quran on basis of scribal errors in hand written copies or printing errors in printed copies or book binding errors where that is applicable etc etc, it is claimed Allah revealed the quran with textual variations. Can one believe that Allah who wanted to unite humanity will give people a recipe for divisions? Because variant text are foundation for divisions and that is why the quran tells us that if it was from other than Allah we ought to find many things in there at variance with each other or differences or discrepancies therein. This is why such hadith reports are misinterpreted or false because they or their interpretations were invented to provide justifications for variations in the quranic text in the existing copies of the quran. This means these people were not aware of the facts how languages developed over time and this is why there are variations in all major languages because they heavily relied on each other for their origin, development and progress. My explanation explains away all these variations in a way that is backed by archaeological findings and it is fully consistent logically.
Allah did reveal the quran in one uniform reading and in one uniform writing but people spoke and wrote a language as I explained it and they did that because that is the way languages came about and developed. One has to realise that Allah despite variations in the human languages managed to reveal the message that was uniform both in sense of memorised information and in form of written text. Hadith reports at most are mere historical accounts which were written by individuals for their own reasons so if they telly with facts they are ok but if not then just because they are based on isnaad (chains of narrators) does not make them sound in every way on their own. Particularly if they contradict facts before us. Justifying variations in the quranic text is in fact attacking the authenticity of the quran at its very root.
The quranic text is as solid as a rock and that is why I proved it by showing how arabic language came about and developed over time with help of its ancestor and sister languages. One cannot find any evidence of arabic language being in use before hebrew but if anyone has any evidence please let us see it. In fact hebrew as far as I know is ancestor of arabic not its descendent. If anything hebrew is thousands of years older than arabic. Mullahs tell us prophet adam used to speak arabic in paradise and that he was the very first human being. It is because no mullah has carried out any research and exploration to discover things the quran talks about otherwise we muslims will not be in the state of ignorance and stupidity that we are but we are not going to accept it, are we? It is because if we accept we lack in factual knowledge because we never carried out any research and exploration work to discover things then who is going to carry out needed research and exploration work that validate the quran because it is all haraam since all knowledge is already in the quran and the hadith regardless we need to know it or not. It is enough to say we believe and we don't need to verify anything to have faith based on reasoning that is logically consistent.
As far as I know arabic is a most recent of the root based widely known languages otherwise the copies of the quran we have today will have been written in a better way right from the day one. No dots on letters is proof of arabic not being developed fully yet for mass communication and publication. This is why we needed hufaaz of the quran as well as its scribes so that with help of each other they could preserve the quranic text as it was supposed to be and they did and we can see it with our own eyes even today. Relationship between hifz and scribing eased as better way of writing was discovered in due course so later copies had in them what earlier copies did not ie dots and diacritical marks. Even today if an arab did not already have the quran committed to his memory he will not be able to read it if dots were not there in the text. In fact one cannot read even the daily newspaper written in such a style of writing let alone the quran despite the fact that it is their mother language. The same will happen in case of urdu and faarsi languages. So can we see why we have no choice but to accept arabic was not an old language just because some ignorant mullah says so having nothing solid to back it up with. Why is it that we find a lot of inscriptions in hebrew and various other languages but not any in arabic if arabic was the oldest language as our mullahs tell us? It means our historical accounts have been either invented in some cases or that they have been deliberately misinterpreted by mullahs to suit themselves or both. So if we want to be true to our deen of islam we must give up mullahs' nonsense or as time goes on we will end up proving our own worst enemies.
This is why we must come to know that to rely on information that does not fit proper explanation is not the right way to look at things. Also if people differ about something they can never become united again unless there is something there to unite them. This is why if muslims were already divided after the messenger of Allah passed away then no one could unite them merely by force. If they remained united it is only because they agreed upon program, goals and guidelines provided by the quran. However if we say that the quranic text itself became a source of controversy then divisions based upon different qurans could only increase not decrease. Today muslims are fighting with each other only over interpretations of the quran, imagine what could have happened if anyone deliberately tried to change the actual text of the quran in any way. Because things did not go bad in the ummah on basis of deliberate changes in the text of the quran as will be expected back then due to some people trying to make deliberate changes in the quranic text, it is proof enough that no one even tried to eliminate any existing controversy over the variations in the actual text of the quran. So can you see why knowing the truth about the originality of the quranic text is of such high importance. This solid explanation shows that some hadith reports have been mistaken, invented or misinterpreted to undermine the originality of the quran and its authenticity therefore such accounts are unreliable in themselves so they cannot be used against the originality of the quran to undermine it.
Coming to miracles, what miracle is more important than Allah dropping the quran from heavens in hands of each and every person in perfect state? If we have such problems with the quran itself then what other miracle can be justified? None. If any miracle was ever needed at all it was people having all the things they needed to preserve the divine revelations perfectly as they were revealed from day one. When the quran tells us Allah taught man reading and writing, it doe not mean Allah became a human being and made adam sit in his lap like a child and taught him things like a child. It only means he provided human beings with things of need and abilities to learn by observing what Allah had created already before human beings came on the scene. So people had all they needed for learning and teaching and doing whatever they were supposed to do to fulfil the purpose of Allah for which he created them. All this involved natural processes or cause and effect chains and no miracles or supernatural interventions.
There is no point in going on other issues till one fully accepts the quran is original with full understanding as to what makes it original. It takes time to absorb information to reach the depth of understanding needed for proving the quran original. This is why I explain things and leave people to ponder over it rather than confronting them because that seems rude and that is not the way of doing things according to the quran. Wisdom takes time to make its way into minds of people and to make its presence felt but only if a person wants to become a wise person and makes the needed effort. Just because mullahs tell us the quran says Allah guides and Allah misguides does not mean they are telling us the truth because they may not even know what it means themselves. Allah guides through his revelations and mankind guide themselves by enabling themselves to be able to receive guidance from the revelations of Allah by educating themselves to the level required for that purpose. All this does not happen instantly. It is also very important that you realise the fact that arabic is based on multi root based words as I have already explained it with solid reasons in the main article. I also explained in detail why words have very many meanings in root based languages including arabic. So if any report does not fit this explanation, it is not worth paying attention to and may be it was a mistake or invention to make an attempt at trying to make the text of the quran controversial. In any case no such report can succeed against stated concrete facts.
The idea that the messenger of Allah was illiterate is monstrous because it shows Allah chose for his work someone not worthy of it and that Allah did not choose other more able people for his mission at the time. Again as I already explained, mullahs wanted to prove miracles by portraying the prophet as an illiterate person because they had no idea at all that the quran is not a human work due to the information it contains. Instead of understanding the text of the quran they looked for cheap miracles ie here is a book from an illiterate man. They had no sense to realise that even an illiterate man could have been given a written book by some one else who was literate so how does having a book regardless in memory or in writing prove its God's word? It is because any information that comes from human beings cannot go beyond the knowledge of human beings. It is because the quran goes beyond human knowledge that is why it is not work of human beings.
One has to read the verse which mullahs tell us means, if Allah had revealed the quran on a mountain it will have shattered into pieces out of fear. Allah already spoke to all things when he planned them and said be and nothing shattered but the universe came into being. The actual thing the verse is telling us is very different ie should Allah reveal the truth in the quran to any highly knowledgeable person who wishes to know it, he will be humbled due to what it contains because the knowledge in the quran is beyond that which a human being could come up with. This is very difficult to prove for mullahs so mullahs thought let us turn to made up stories of miracles to prove the deen of islam true. This is how they moved ummah away from proper deen of islam and its practice and people who were leaders of the human world gradually turned like animals lagging far far behind rest of the human world.
It is therefore time to retrace our steps back to the original deen of islam which was brought by all the messengers of Allah right from the time of prophet adam till the time of prophet muhammad. There is no more book or messenger from Allah after him and this is the concrete proof. It is because there is no any prototype new language in the world that could parallel ancient languages in which olden scriptures were revealed just like the quran. The quran even today is far far ahead of its time if we learned to read it as it should be read for its proper understanding to fulfil its purpose.
Root based languages were good for revelations of Allah due to their flexibility as I explained already in detail because fixed languages could not accommodate divine messages due to their precision. It is a fact that root based languages are very flexible not non-root based languages. Since the quran was for much longer time than any other revealed scripture therefore it needed most flexible language that it could get at the time. Some arabic roots have thousands of meanings not just one or two. Likewise there are thousands of words that could be used to express the very same idea. This is why as humanity develops and discovers more and more facts people will be able to interpret the quranic verses more and more precisely. So the discussion about the originality of the text of the quran has much much more for us to learn from than we can think of. I hope this addresses our concerns about the issue of originality of the text of the quran as well as finality of the prophethood of the final messenger of Allah.
Deen of islam is based upon educating each other to help each other understand the message of God and to turn it into a reality. However violence is present in our world so one has to learn how the quran explains it to put it into its proper context. I have explained things in detail in my links above for that reason so that people could see how things fit together. Moreover I have provided a link to my interpretation of the quranic text, so for anyone who wishes to know the message of the quran it will be a good idea to see what I have explained already and what I have left out. All issues which we think only need a short answer in a word or two does not work because each person who explains things sees them in his own context.
I am mainly discussing origin of knowledge and how we get it. For example, could we learn anything without having brains? Could our brains learn anything without having senses? Could our senses be useful if the conditions needed for them to work were not present? For example for a human eye to work we need light as well to see and we also need things which the eye could see otherwise what will be the point of having a brain or an eye or light etc if there was nothing there for eye to see? The same will be case for all other things we sense with our senses. For things to be useful there has to be a grand plan in the mind of the creator so that all comes together nicely.
This is why I am explaining human beings could not learn anything if they did not have life experiences to help them learn and keep building upon their banks of information and their understanding. For example what will be the point of giving a new born baby a book to read when he does not even have the awareness of his own very existence yet? So first thing we need is self awareness and for that we do not need revelation of God but only our brains, senses, bodies and provisions so that by fooling about with things in our environments we become aware of ourselves as well as other things through our interaction with them. Only after becoming self aware and aware of other things our attention is drawn to higher being when we think about origin of things, their existence and purpose as well as the way they work to fulfil that purpose. This is when we look for information that we cannot get through our senses alone or merely by calculations of our own brains.
Once we realise there is more to life than meets the eyes, we start looking for information that could satisfy our curiosities. From here on people take various routes ie some look for God by so called spiritual methods to see if they could experience presence of God that way and others look for messages from God. Those who do not become self aware or aware of real world realities do not bother with idea of God because they have not reached the stage of thinking which initiates this kind of search process in minds of people. So if you are not looking for God then you are not going to find him. It is because you only find what you look for and for which you use the right methods. Most people therefore remain at animal level of thinking or even worse ie they are born ignorant and remain ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained, unskilled and unthinking therefore useless for themselves as well as others or even worse they cause troubles for themselves as well as others.
What this explanation should make people realise is the fact that so long as people remain at animal level of their existence, their mindset, attitude and behaviours is such that it is only fit for animal kind of life. This is why as human beings evolved from tree of life first they were only humans in their physical appearance but not in shape of mind. This is why they lived on basis of survival of the fittest. However interaction between people made them learn from each other as well as other existing things by observing them and so people have been gradually building on that knowledge and have been changing their mindsets, attitudes and behaviours accordingly. Since people behaved like animals or worst so obviously they inflicted each other with terrible harms and destructions. All this helped them learn and be better and when they reached self awareness and awareness about other things God sent them revelations in order to guide them from then onwards when they could make use of that knowledge. Since then knowledgeable people have been trying to get others to see sense and stop living like animals. However, people are people so they are still at it but time will come when human beings will be what God created them to be ie great creatures manifesting glory of their creator. All this unfolding of plan of God is going to take time just like a huge tree that grows out of a tiny seed gradually.
Here one may ask but why God did not create people fully knowing things already? To understand the answer one has to learn why God created things and human beings in the first place. It is because God is a living being and he wanted to express himself so he decided to express himself in forms of creations and revelations. Since God wanted to be appreciated by effort of things themselves so he created human beings with abilities to learn and do things as they pleased and created all else to facilitated mankind in doing that. Since people had to know about God by their own efforts rather than being programmed robots so being born totally ignorant they had to learn each and everything from scratch. To help people God created all other kinds of non-living things and animals and programmed them to a much greater degree than human beings and gave human beings ability to observe other things and by doing that people have been learning and doing things ever since. As people learned more and more they appreciated God more and more so they continue. This is why science is part of the quranic text and this is how it is part of the quranic philosophy because the quran tells people to observe nature and things in it to learn from that and do things that need to be done as detailed in the quran so that goals set by God for people could be fulfilled.
All this should help one understand the origin of violence ie God created things for various purposes and when they act as they choose to act violence could result because that is the way world is created by God to function so that the purpose of God for creating the world could become fulfilled. It is not God who is carrying out violence but things he created act that way however he provided them with means to be able to do so if they so chose. So even though God does not want people to hurt each other but some people who remain ignorant about revelation of God think otherwise and disregard his guidance. As such people decide to continue living like animals because they do not know any better and they do not want to know any better therefore those people who have become learned also are forced to control antisocial elements in human society. If such people do nothing at all then things will be yet worse than they are. This is the context in which the quran explains existence of violence in the world.
All this needs detailed explanation and understanding therefore people should go through my interpretation of the quran so that they could see how to make sense of the quranic text. God has created man in his own image ie a little god if you like. Glory of God will become manifest in due course as humanity prepares itself for establishing many great things yet unthinkable. We may think we know quite a lot but our knowledge is much less than our generations to come who are going to stand upon our shoulders and reach the skies yet unknown to mankind. Human being are created to travel throughout the universe to see creation of their creator and see how wonderful creator he is. One day man will grow up mentally so much that he will witness glory of his creator with his own eyes. The quran is such a book that is yet unknown for what it actually contains in its pages. It is because the people who claim to be its followers are not yet learned enough to be able to explain it. The day they become a learned people in actual reality things will be very different. The quran is like no other scripture in the world as I understand it. This is why people will find a lot of help in my interpretation of the quran if they went through it. Particularly the way people should try to make sense of the quranic text.
The quran and hadis literature is misinterpreted and misrepresented by mullahs on behest of rulers and money lenders to stop people from thinking and taking appropriate actions for ensuring well being of mankind and to stop such element in human society as use and abuse it instead of ensuring its well being.
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Without reading the huge chunks of text I would answer the title of the thread No, but the ones supporting Quran do often not understand how to interpret it properly themselves either.
However, I have both sympathy and empathy for those who reject Quran based on the false assumptions to what the text actually says.
But I have no sympathy for those who lose faith altogether due to these grave misrepresentations. Why lose faith based on some book?
Salaam
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But I have no sympathy for those who lose faith altogether due to these grave misrepresentations. Why lose faith based on some book?
Yes, losing faith due to books is a funny thing. Sort of a paradox. You let the book be so important regarding your faith that you let it decide about your faith. In other words, you assume the book is actually deciding about reality, which in turn means that you put faith in the book. If you find it uncompelling, you lose faith, an if you find it compelling, you gain faith. You let the book decide. This is so stupid. I find it stupid, or at least very dangerous and reckless, to let superficial and external things like books dictate your faith.
What we need to do is to ponder and sense, while all the time forcing oneself to be open-minded and receptive. Whenever we harden, we stop to develop. When we think we have the final answer, we stop to develop.
Peace
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Yes, losing faith due to books is a funny thing. Sort of a paradox. You let the book be so important regarding your faith that you let it decide about your faith. In other words, you assume the book is actually deciding about reality, which in turn means that you put faith in the book. If you find it uncompelling, you lose faith, an if you find it compelling, you gain faith. You let the book decide. This is so stupid. I find it stupid, or at least very dangerous and reckless, to let superficial and external things like books dictate your faith.
What we need to do is to ponder and sense, while all the time forcing oneself to be open-minded and receptive. Whenever we harden, we stop to develop. When we think we have the final answer, we stop to develop.
Peace
I very much agree with the first part - losing faith because of Quran makes no sense to me. I disagree where you challenge it's power to draw to faith though. It is a reminder, I've experienced this strong power of Quran to draw to faith myself. Whether you stepped away from faith and then return to it, or whether you're first being drawn to faith, this Reminder is more powerful than any other words could ever express. Even for those who feel to be with faith, the Reminder always points powerfully into the right direction where our senses, ego, cultural values, traditions, even ratio and logic can deceive us.
We have not sent down the Qur'an unto you to cause you distress, but only as a Reminder to those who fear
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If the quran causes you to gain faith, it's because you're open for a proper message. People can have faith in so many things. People draw immense faith from the bible, despite all horrendous stories in the old testament. People have faith in the book of the Mormons, and in the book of Scientology. It is still your inner condition and ability to sense and sift through all incoming influences, applying critical thinking as well as being spiritually aware and open, that decides if your faith is connected to reality. People gain immense faith even from hadith and end up doing horrible things.
So what I'm saying is that if you are to gain faith, it depends on you, not a book, not even the quran. Person A may not be impressed by the quran and thus dismisses it as rubbish. Person B may worship the quran, but display no insight or wisdom despite being able to recite it. Person C may gain lots of faith from reading and pondering on the quran and seeing how it could fit into observation about life.
It depends on you, not the book, regardless if the book is 100% true at multiple levels. It is we who must be open to insights. It starts with us, always.Peace and best wishes
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I understand what you are saying Zulf. I think it even gets clearer if you consider not one of us can judge who's with faith at any given point. It's even harder to make this call about ourselves. With an extreme example, people claiming rationally they are atheists could be by their condition of the heart and righteous behaviour be totally with faith. Those certain to be with faith, may be the worst sinners from Gods perspective by acts and condition of the heart. In this logic, having the right condition of the heart does not automatically lead you to Quran. It's not even a necessity to find Quran to achieve this spiritual condition. But for those not in such a blissful state of spirit and heart, there is only one thing to hold onto Quran.
To me Quran is still a catalyst and a magnet/shining clear beacon in this dynamic. A catalyst because it will result in contradiction for the reader not being in the right state of heart and expose the lie living in the heart/mind of the reader. A magnet because it can reach even those who are committing the gravest sins. Even those who don't understand arabic and who are not religious can be moved when hearing the verses in Quran recited.
I'm one of those who needs the Reminder. I often act fearless and it's a bad way.
