Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace,
I have already given the full explanation of my position on that on this threadhttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606402.0
My comparative analysis of Quranic verses and Torah Exodus shows absolute accordance and logic behind revelations of Torah and Quran and gave me instructions that fasting is for 10 days from the full moon after the summer solistice (which will start on 13 July this year).
Of course, this is my research and other people might have other ideas about ramadhan and fasting, but to me it was a striking Eureka moment when I realised that my analysis of the journey of Children of Israel from the land of Phiraun up to the moment they got to the Mountain where Moses received revelation comes to exactly the same conclusion as independent study by brother Ayman who focused purely on semantical analysis of Quranic verses on the subject of fasting and calendar!!! If you are looking for clear cut answers and obvious verses, then you might get disappointed. The whole ramadhan stuff falls into those unclear verses category and the only solution for you is to ponder on verses, ask critical questions and search for answers for yourself.
actually, I agree that the whole ramadhan and fasting issue is just as much ambiguous as the issue where the real Kaaba or even more. I spent really long hours and days and weeks searching and analysing things and I would reccommend you brother a lot of patience and really carefully reading this thread (at least first few dozens of pages lol) and the link I gave you as they deal with very detailed and really complicated matters that you or I never bothered before such as what is the true calendar system, intercelary month,its counting, dvelving on meaning of words such as shahr, nasi, ramadhan etc etd.
After all, what I think matters and God knows best is our intention. If someone came to conclusion after prayers for guidance and pondering on verses and critical and logical analysis that one should fast 3 days in September then let them do it. As long as people do sth based on their genuine intention to follow God and His command after making effort to search for answers then I believe that is fine. But it is not fine to follow others blindly just because they say so or because it's been like this for ages and it is considered as unquestionable truth even though it is illogical.
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
As far as I know, it's not mandatory for Sunni, but more like special sunnah practice ---> "Fasting in Sha'ban".
http//www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/fasting_during_shaban
http//askaquestionto.us/question-answer/shaban/the-significance-of-fasting-shaban
http//www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=1719&category=130
http//www.islamicity.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0409-2468
http//www.missionislam.com/knowledge/shaban.htm
http//www.dailyhadith.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=69.0
http//www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml
http//www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/shaban/ghunya_shaban_frame.htm
http//salaf-us-saalih.com/2010/07/15/deeds-are-presented-to-allah-during-shaban-today-is-3rd-shabaan/
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As far as I know, it's not mandatory for Sunni, but more like special sunnah practice ---> "Fasting in Sha'ban".
http//www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/fasting_during_shaban
http//askaquestionto.us/question-answer/shaban/the-significance-of-fasting-shaban
http//www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=1719&category=130
http//www.islamicity.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0409-2468
http//www.missionislam.com/knowledge/shaban.htm
http//www.dailyhadith.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=69.0
http//www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml
http//www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/shaban/ghunya_shaban_frame.htm
http//salaf-us-saalih.com/2010/07/15/deeds-are-presented-to-allah-during-shaban-today-is-3rd-shabaan/
Ok, thanks for all those links. So her stating that is was "mandatory" has more to do with her families/mosque values in complying with hadith.
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She might think it was mandatory, because as per my experience, "common man" never reads the quran, but only hears and learns by word of mouth what to do and what not to do. People do recite the quran... or rather they imitate the sounds of the Arabic. Typically there is no comprehension what so ever of the text itself.
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People do recite the quran... or rather they imitate the sounds of the Arabic. Typically there is no comprehension what so ever of the text itself.
That's why I learn in English before Arabic. But I really need to take a break from reading and just focus on learning Arabic '(
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Peace,
Such a long thread.
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Some people might not know what the word "mandatory" means.
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Peace and Greeting to all.
Forgive my ignorance in advance. Is ramadan part of the 4 sacred shahr? If so how do we understand this from al Qur'an? -
Peace and Greeting to all.
Forgive my ignorance in advance. Is ramadan part of the 4 sacred shahr? If so how do we understand this from al Qur'an?Salam,
Ramadan is not part of the 4 sacred months (shahr) for hajj because
Ramadan is the month (shahr) of fasting (seyam ) 2185. Therefore how can we observed 3 + 7 days fasting (seyam) 2196 during hajj, if Ramadan is part of the months for hajj?
Rafasu (sexual pleasure between leagal partners) is allowed during the night of Ramadan 2187. And it is not allowed to individuals performing the act of hajj 2196.
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What is the Summer timings for ramadan 2015?
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What is the Summer timings for ramadan 2015?
The timings for Ramadan is based on the count of shahar but not seasons of a year
936
Various efforts were made to define Ramadan literally as the time of summer but my observation is that verse 2185 clearly defines what Ramadan is. Contextually it defines Ramadan as the shahar when Quran descended, so you can keep adding 12 shahar to recount again and again as per 936 I believed there is nothing wrong with the traditional counting as the two counting systems lunar and solar were already in use
Remember companions of the cave please study this verse
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At the end one group count 300 years for the youth stay in the cave while another group counted 309 years 1825
For lunar (shahar) counting method
105
For solar counting method
1712
So if you don?t know the count ask those who keep record, you may refer to 23113 for guidance please
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Muslims who take islamic lunar year serious
loook up the sky to see the so-called ramadan crescent.However, date of the ramadan crescent
in the sky is not the same as in the islamic lunar year.Date of ramadan crescent
2015 17 June (http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74)
..630 17 June (http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=630&country=74)Convert 17 June 630 to islamic lunar year.
Result is 29 Safar 9 AH.
Not 1 Ramadan 9 AH.Which date is the valid one?
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Salam
Anything in the Quran is for our guidance and all that is required from us is to
1 Keep listening2 Then Study carefully
3 Then Submit to or apply the concept
4 Then Wait or be patient for the result
5 And finally Enjoy the fruits of your work
The lunar and solar are two calendar systems approved in the Quran for reckoning of years and fractional portions of a year meaning detail information. Therefore both lunar and solar calendars are islamic!
For lunar (shahar) calendar system 105
The pronoun hu that suffix the word qaddara is referring only to the moon, the word manazila is referring to the stages or phases of the moon form beginning to the end. 3639 contains additional information about the moon and its phases. The words aada and qadeem are the additional information, aada in the context means complete/return/end and qadeem means initial/old/early stage. Therefore aada ending is kal urjuun returning like qadeem beginning
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif/200px-Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif
Moon phase?s link
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase
2015 Moon Phases
The new moon at location X will be born at 0224 on 16 of July 2015 and ends at 1553 on 14 of August 2015 therefore the duration is 29days 13hours 29minutes
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html
How to observe Ramadan
If new moon is born before fajar that day should be observed and whenever a fasting is started then its completion is night 2187
The 100% un-illuminated portion by an observer during the phases of the moon is always the beginning then followed by the illuminated in stages until it returns back as clearly explained in 3639
Information worth pointing in verses 105 and 1712 is the word hisab which is referring to the fractional information of any given year. If sanat is referring to the whole year then hisab is referring to additional months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds etc.
Remember yawm al-hisab day of reckoning/mathematical computation of our deeds. The day when all records shall be displayed in numbers please note kitabun marqum in 839 & 8320
Therefore the period of Ramadan is to be determining by computation, if computation is not accessible then by physical stages as both are acceptable in the Quran.
731-4 the command to measure night proportionately.
7320 they were able to measure closely adna instead of exactly please note an lan tuhusuhu as a confirmation of their in-capability because they do not have the means/instruments/devices as we have today for accurate calculation of the hours of days and nights thus fataba alaykum meaning an option for measurement is granted
The following verses also supports that Allah does not burden a soul beyond its capability
2286
742
2362
For solar calendar system 1712
In the Quran day and night are independent 1712 but as a whole i.e. the 24 hours day starts after the sunset when the night begins and ends on the next sunset, please note the word waja?alna meaning And We set/made. Did you notice the sequence, the night 1st then the day the same as it happens in moon?s phases, the 0% of illumination then followed by the illuminated phases until it returns.
Calendar related links for further studies
http//www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac06
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epact
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar
Calendar conversion
This is another useful link for calendar conversion
https//www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/ -
In the Quran day and night are independent 1712 but as a whole i.e. the 24 hours day starts after the sunset when the night begins and ends on the next sunset, please note the word waja?alna meaning And We set/made. Did you notice the sequence, the night 1st then the day the same as it happens in moon?s phases, the 0% of illumination then followed by the illuminated phases until it returns.
Salaam,
Red Please consider 3640. A 24 hours day cannot start at sunset but at sunrise.
3640
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
Red Please consider 3640. A 24 hours day cannot start at sunset but at sunrise.
3640
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanSalam
The phrase is tell us that the earth will never spin back because it is on computation and it must reach the computed period
Please study the word ajalin musamma in 3513
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Salam
The phrase is tell us that the earth will never spin back because it is on computation and it must reach the computed period
Please study the word ajalin musamma in 3513
Salaam,
There is no mention of earth in that phrase nor in the aayat bro. That phrase talks about alLayl and alNahaar. And it clearly says that the night does not overtake the day. That means, the night cannot come before the day. Simple as that.
The 24 hours day starts from alNahaar and not from alLayl. This is how I understand from this phrase.
And even 3513 does not talk about earth. And yes there is a fixed ajal for their rotation/swimming for all mentioned in that aayat.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
There is no mention of earth in that phrase nor in the aayat bro. That phrase talks about alLayl and alNahaar. And it clearly says that the night does not overtake the day. That means, the night cannot come before the day. Simple as that.
The 24 hours day starts from alNahaar and not from alLayl. This is how I understand from this phrase.
And even 3513 does not talk about earth. And yes there is a fixed ajal for their rotation/swimming for all mentioned in that aayat.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanSalam
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Globespin.gif/220px-Globespin.gif
That is how day and night is appearing on the earth by its rotation
Is that what you are denying?
The detailed information in the Quran is not only a literary work by its designer, rather it is an intellectual design for those who minded to reflect.
Therefore intellectual information of the Quran are laid/kept in the mind/brain of the intellectual/professionals. 2949
That is why those who possessed knowledge before knowing the Quran quickly submit to the lord of the creations after they acknowledge it. 17107
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Salam
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Globespin.gif/220px-Globespin.gif
That is how day and night is appearing on the earth by its rotation
Is that what you are denying?
The detailed information in the Quran is not only a literary work by its designer, rather it is an intellectual design for those who minded to reflect.
Therefore intellectual information of the Quran are laid/kept in the mind/brain of the intellectual/professionals. 2949
That is why those who possessed knowledge before knowing the Quran quickly submit to the lord of the creations after they acknowledge it. 17107
Salaam brother,
Did I deny anything? Please do not overlook my messages.
And I did not claim that I am an intellectual nor a professional, but I am just a Muslim to my Lord, Allah alone.I understand that usage of words in alQuraan/alKitaab is very very precise and particularly used. We cannot replace them with other words. When Allah talks about alNahaar and alLayl you cannot change it with earth rotation or whatever. It is only about alNahaar and alLayl. If you don't like to agree with this, then there is no point in discussing it further.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan
